At this point in time, is R.Clemes overrated?

I was just discussing this with my friend and I thought that at this point in time, Roger Clemens is overrated. He'll start about let's just say 20 games (not sure exactly, but for arguments sake), how many of that will actually start--with an injury here and there who knows, but it's probably fair to say that he won't start all 20 games? Also, he's not going 9 innings, he's not even going 7 or 8 innings---most likely he'll give you 5-6 innings each time. For the amount of money that he demanded, I think it's fair to say that he's overrated. There are more pitchers out there who can probably do the same job if not better for much less than the asking price. I know he's a Hall of Famer pitcher, but as of now, I just don't think he'll make much of a difference.

He should just retire while he's ahead. He's only going to get worse, and is definitely not worth the money he's earning.

Well...he definitely isn't shutting down the offensive powerhouse known as the Pirates. This should've been a relatively easy game for him to come into the majors, but it certainly doesn't look like it. If he pitches this way against the Tigers, Indians, or Red Sox, it could be a bloodbath.JML897

Give the guy a break, he's 44, and it's his first start back in the major leagues for a year. 6 innings and 3 runs with 7 strikeouts certainly isn't bad.hendrix29

Plus he got the W, and anyone who can get a W for the Yankees right now is priceless.:lol:

Give the guy a break, he's 44, and it's his first start back in the major leagues for a year. 6 innings and 3 runs with 7 strikeouts certainly isn't bad.hendrix29

I said that in the fourth, I should've added that. He settled down afterwards. I still don't think a 4.50 ERA is worth $28 mil, but that's just my opinion.

They were strong without him. And I doubt the Yankees actually need someone to make them believe themselves----with that payroll and with Jeter and Torre and Yankee history you keep hearing about? If they did, that would be quite sad.

Clemens brought the believe back into the Yankees organisation, if they can keep this run going for a while, he will have been worth every penny. The Yankees needed to feel strong again, Clemens rekindled that flame.Nene33

That's what guys like Jeter, A-Rod, Posada all said, with Clemens they feel like they're going to be strong enough to compete.Nene33

Heh, they said it, unless someone has evidence they don't really care, it's more likely they feel good about him comming, and an improvement in the clubhouse atmosphere always improves a team.

Because especially Jeter seemed to have a lot of fun with Roger on the mound.

That was six strong, he only showed rust in two innings, and he seemed to be better at the end of the year. If the yankees make the playoffs, there rotation is as strong as anyone, picture a 5 game series with:

Game 1 starting Chien-Ming Wang who is a perennial cy young candidate

Game 2 starting Andy Pettite who seems to be pitching better than he last was as a yankee, which already was good.

Game 3 starting Roger Clemens, a hall of famer who thrives for these situations.

Game 4 starting either Wang again or Mussina, who is still good from time to time.

Game 5 starting Wang or Pettite, both who are excellent.

That was six strong, he only showed rust in two innings, and he seemed to be better at the end of the year. If the yankees make the playoffs, there rotation is as strong as anyone, picture a 5 game series with:

Game 1 starting Chien-Ming Wang who is a perennial cy young candidate

Game 2 starting Andy Pettite who seems to be pitching better than he last was as a yankee, which already was good.

Game 3 starting Roger Clemens, a hall of famer who thrives for these situations.

Game 4 starting either Wang again or Mussina, who is still good from time to time.

Game 5 starting Wang or Pettite, both who are excellent.

hendrix29

Clemens is till betetr than 50% of that yankees Pitching staff. his contract was made awhile ago when he was still pitching great. if you asked me who would i take Barry Bond or Clemens i would take Clemens all the time. He's still got some in him and in the platoffs he'll be a good starter. Kurt Schilling is almost just as Old and since he's been playing the last year you see he can still do great, so with more time you'll see that Clemens is worth it, his one of the best pitchers ever just like nolan Ryan who pitched till 45 or something and Maddux pitching is not about power but more about accuracy and delivery and a good pitcher in his 40's can still do that.

Remember just the other day Schiling was one Pitch away from a no hitter and he's in his 40's so older pitchers are still great. Clemens is not over rated cause no one things he's amazing anymore and no one is rating him highly so i don't understand the point of this thread. by the end of the year he just may be the differance in a Red Sox/Yankees series. Even though i think Boston pitching is alot better and there hitting Clemens adds intimidation to his game something no yankee had since he left. i think the yankees prematurley let Clemens go if they had kept him they would have won a World Series (or 2) in the new milennium.

Clemens is till betetr than 50% of that yankees Pitching staff. his contract was made awhile ago when he was still pitching great. if you asked me who would i take Barry Bond or Clemens i would take Clemens all the time. He's still got some in him and in the platoffs he'll be a good starter. Kurt Schilling is almost just as Old and since he's been playing the last year you see he can still do great, so with more time you'll see that Clemens is worth it, his one of the best pitchers ever just like nolan Ryan who pitched till 45 or something and Maddux pitching is not about power but more about accuracy and delivery and a good pitcher in his 40's can still do that.

Remember just the other day Schiling was one Pitch away from a no hitter and he's in his 40's so older pitchers are still great. Clemens is not over rated cause no one things he's amazing anymore and no one is rating him highly so i don't understand the point of this thread. by the end of the year he just may be the differance in a Red Sox/Yankees series. Even though i think Boston pitching is alot better and there hitting Clemens adds intimidation to his game something no yankee had since he left. i think the yankees prematurley let Clemens go if they had kept him they would have won a World Series (or 2) in the new milennium.

peacebringer

Clemens is till betetr than 50% of that yankees Pitching staff. his contract was made awhile ago when he was still pitching great. if you asked me who would i take Barry Bond or Clemens i would take Clemens all the time. He's still got some in him and in the platoffs he'll be a good starter. Kurt Schilling is almost just as Old and since he's been playing the last year you see he can still do great, so with more time you'll see that Clemens is worth it, his one of the best pitchers ever just like nolan Ryan who pitched till 45 or something and Maddux pitching is not about power but more about accuracy and delivery and a good pitcher in his 40's can still do that.

Remember just the other day Schiling was one Pitch away from a no hitter and he's in his 40's so older pitchers are still great. Clemens is not over rated cause no one things he's amazing anymore and no one is rating him highly so i don't understand the point of this thread. by the end of the year he just may be the differance in a Red Sox/Yankees series. Even though i think Boston pitching is alot better and there hitting Clemens adds intimidation to his game something no yankee had since he left. i think the yankees prematurley let Clemens go if they had kept him they would have won a World Series (or 2) in the new milennium.

peacebringer

[QUOTE="peacebringer"]

Clemens is till betetr than 50% of that yankees Pitching staff. his contract was made awhile ago when he was still pitching great. if you asked me who would i take Barry Bond or Clemens i would take Clemens all the time. He's still got some in him and in the platoffs he'll be a good starter. Kurt Schilling is almost just as Old and since he's been playing the last year you see he can still do great, so with more time you'll see that Clemens is worth it, his one of the best pitchers ever just like nolan Ryan who pitched till 45 or something and Maddux pitching is not about power but more about accuracy and delivery and a good pitcher in his 40's can still do that.

Remember just the other day Schiling was one Pitch away from a no hitter and he's in his 40's so older pitchers are still great. Clemens is not over rated cause no one things he's amazing anymore and no one is rating him highly so i don't understand the point of this thread. by the end of the year he just may be the differance in a Red Sox/Yankees series. Even though i think Boston pitching is alot better and there hitting Clemens adds intimidation to his game something no yankee had since he left. i think the yankees prematurley let Clemens go if they had kept him they would have won a World Series (or 2) in the new milennium.

NetYankEagle

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="peacebringer"]

Clemens is till betetr than 50% of that yankees Pitching staff. his contract was made awhile ago when he was still pitching great. if you asked me who would i take Barry Bond or Clemens i would take Clemens all the time. He's still got some in him and in the platoffs he'll be a good starter. Kurt Schilling is almost just as Old and since he's been playing the last year you see he can still do great, so with more time you'll see that Clemens is worth it, his one of the best pitchers ever just like nolan Ryan who pitched till 45 or something and Maddux pitching is not about power but more about accuracy and delivery and a good pitcher in his 40's can still do that.

Remember just the other day Schiling was one Pitch away from a no hitter and he's in his 40's so older pitchers are still great. Clemens is not over rated cause no one things he's amazing anymore and no one is rating him highly so i don't understand the point of this thread. by the end of the year he just may be the differance in a Red Sox/Yankees series. Even though i think Boston pitching is alot better and there hitting Clemens adds intimidation to his game something no yankee had since he left. i think the yankees prematurley let Clemens go if they had kept him they would have won a World Series (or 2) in the new milennium.

peacebringer

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="peacebringer"]

Clemens is till betetr than 50% of that yankees Pitching staff. his contract was made awhile ago when he was still pitching great. if you asked me who would i take Barry Bond or Clemens i would take Clemens all the time. He's still got some in him and in the platoffs he'll be a good starter. Kurt Schilling is almost just as Old and since he's been playing the last year you see he can still do great, so with more time you'll see that Clemens is worth it, his one of the best pitchers ever just like nolan Ryan who pitched till 45 or something and Maddux pitching is not about power but more about accuracy and delivery and a good pitcher in his 40's can still do that.

Remember just the other day Schiling was one Pitch away from a no hitter and he's in his 40's so older pitchers are still great. Clemens is not over rated cause no one things he's amazing anymore and no one is rating him highly so i don't understand the point of this thread. by the end of the year he just may be the differance in a Red Sox/Yankees series. Even though i think Boston pitching is alot better and there hitting Clemens adds intimidation to his game something no yankee had since he left. i think the yankees prematurley let Clemens go if they had kept him they would have won a World Series (or 2) in the new milennium.

NetYankEagle