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#1 hedden93
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He was picked number 10 and yet he wants top 3 money. The 49ers would be stupid to give in.

http://www.novafantasysports.com/michael-crabtree-holding-out-crabtree-does-not-report-to-camp

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He will never be a top 3 receiver so he definetly doesnt deserve that kind of money. The NFL needs to come up with a rookie salary scale similar to the NBA or NHL.

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#3 geaux321
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He will never be a top 3 receiver so he definetly doesnt deserve that kind of money. The NFL needs to come up with a rookie salary scale similar to the NBA or NHL.

Colin1192
He won't be a top 3 receiver? Why do you say that?
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#4 Colin1192
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For the length that hegets for a contract. You gotta figure 4-6 years I dont see him developing into a top 3 receiever.

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For the length that hegets for a contract. You gotta figure 4-6 years I dont see him developing into a top 3 receiever.

Colin1192
it took him 1 year to become the best college football receiver in the nation. I like his chances
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For the length that hegets for a contract. You gotta figure 4-6 years I dont see him developing into a top 3 receiever.

Colin1192
Top three money as in a top three draft pick's salary. Not a contract that pays him as if he's the third best receiver in the league.
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#7 Colin1192
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[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

For the length that hegets for a contract. You gotta figure 4-6 years I dont see him developing into a top 3 receiever.

hockeyruler12

it took him 1 year to become the best college football receiver in the nation. I like his chances

The college game is much different from the NFL. That is why you see so many busts. Im not saying he is going to be a bust I just dont think he will be one of the top receivers in the game

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#8 starwarsjunky
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crabtree the next nfl drama queen?
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If I were the SF front office I'd have this kid sit down with Jerry Rice.
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#10 Doomtime
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[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

He will never be a top 3 receiver so he definetly doesnt deserve that kind of money. The NFL needs to come up with a rookie salary scale similar to the NBA or NHL.

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He won't be a top 3 receiver? Why do you say that?

Who's gonna throw to him?
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#11 psyco408
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Good thing the raiders didnt get him.

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Love the greed....how about you prove yourself before you demand something...
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#13 Renegade_Fury
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I don't really care, since I don't expect him to do anything this year anyway. Rookie WRs take time to develop, so he can go ahead and hold out as long as he wants.

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#14 Chutebox
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He will never be a top 3 receiver so he definetly doesnt deserve that kind of money. The NFL needs to come up with a rookie salary scale similar to the NBA or NHL.

Colin1192

Please. I'm sick of these rookies who have done nothing get so much damn money. It's a damn shame.

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#15 theone86
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crabtree the next nfl drama queen?starwarsjunky

What is it with receivers?

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#16 Oleg_Huzwog
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I wouldn't read too deeply into this. It sounds like nothing more than standard negotiation tactics. The team wants to pay him as little as they can. He wants to be paid as much as possible. They'll find a middle ground.

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#17 dodgerblue13
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[QUOTE="geaux321"][QUOTE="Colin1192"]

He will never be a top 3 receiver so he definetly doesnt deserve that kind of money. The NFL needs to come up with a rookie salary scale similar to the NBA or NHL.

Doomtime
He won't be a top 3 receiver? Why do you say that?

Who's gonna throw to him?

Who's throwing to Megatron?
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I wouldn't read too deeply into this. It sounds like nothing more than standard negotiation tactics. The team wants to pay him as little as they can. He wants to be paid as much as possible. They'll find a middle ground.

Oleg_Huzwog
its not standard tactics for a rookie....
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#19 dodgerblue13
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I wouldn't read too deeply into this. It sounds like nothing more than standard negotiation tactics. The team wants to pay him as little as they can. He wants to be paid as much as possible. They'll find a middle ground.

starwarsjunky

its not standard tactics for a rookie....

Rookies always hold out. JaMarcus Russell anyone?

edit: Not ALWAYS, but often enough. Jeremy Maclin hasn't signed yet, either.

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#20 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I wouldn't read too deeply into this. It sounds like nothing more than standard negotiation tactics. The team wants to pay him as little as they can. He wants to be paid as much as possible. They'll find a middle ground.

dodgerblue13

its not standard tactics for a rookie....

Rookies always hold out. JaMarcus Russell anyone?

edit: Not ALWAYS, but often enough. Jeremy Maclin hasn't signed yet, either.

Only 6 of the 32 first round picks have signed so far. And of the top 20, 18 are unsigned.

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#21 dodgerblue13
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[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"]

[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"] its not standard tactics for a rookie....Oleg_Huzwog

Rookies always hold out. JaMarcus Russell anyone?

edit: Not ALWAYS, but often enough. Jeremy Maclin hasn't signed yet, either.

Only 6 of the 32 first round picks have signed so far. And of the top 20, 18 are unsigned.

Exactly. I just threw out Maclin because he's another wideout. Crabtree won't earn diva status for a while--if at all.
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Weren't there reports during the draft that Crabtree was already a diva when he went to Cleveland to talk with Mangini? Or was I thinking of another receiver? [QUOTE="dodgerblue13"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"] Rookies always hold out. JaMarcus Russell anyone?

edit: Not ALWAYS, but often enough. Jeremy Maclin hasn't signed yet, either.

Only 6 of the 32 first round picks have signed so far. And of the top 20, 18 are unsigned.

Exactly. I just threw out Maclin because he's another wideout. Crabtree won't earn diva status for a while--if at all.

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#23 dodgerblue13
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Weren't there reports during the draft that Crabtree was already a diva when he went to Cleveland to talk with Mangini? Or was I thinking of another receiver?feryl06
Crabtree wants to join Browns, but is feeling mutual? I'm also pretty sure he had character issues, but I still don't consider him a diva yet. Rookies can mature quickly in the NFL. I'm willing to give it more time before I call him a self-absorbed player.
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Dear Mike,

You were picked 10th. Call us when you want that 10th round pick money.

-49ers.

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Is that what's holding up Jeremy Maclin signing in Philly?

I thought all the first round picks were SLOTTED based on previous year's salaries and draft position?

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#26 Oleg_Huzwog
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Is that what's holding up Jeremy Maclin signing in Philly?

I thought all the first round picks were SLOTTED based on previous year's salaries and draft position?

Netherscourge

There's no official slotting system, but rookies do generally get contracts that seem like there is such a system in place. Agents and teams tend to see what kind of money is being given to picks above and below, what was given to the same draft position the previous year, and use that information as a guideline.

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goodel(sp) makes all these stupid rules for the nfl but doesnt make a rule for rookies. This is the number one thing i hate abou the NFL rookie holdouts. Reggie Bush did it and m glad he got owned
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#28 geaux321
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goodel(sp) makes all these stupid rules for the nfl but doesnt make a rule for rookies. This is the number one thing i hate abou the NFL rookie holdouts. Reggie Bush did it and m glad he got ownedNetYankEagle
So having a huge part in getting your team to it's first ever conference championship game was being owned? Didn't realize that.
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[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"]goodel(sp) makes all these stupid rules for the nfl but doesnt make a rule for rookies. This is the number one thing i hate abou the NFL rookie holdouts. Reggie Bush did it and m glad he got ownedgeaux321
So having a huge part in getting your team to it's first ever conference championship game was being owned? Didn't realize that.

no, being a bust and getting injured and Mario Williams being the better pick and Sheldon Brown is what got him Owned
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He needs to just sign a contract and prove himself in the NFL before he gets a big contract.
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#31 geaux321
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[QUOTE="geaux321"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"]goodel(sp) makes all these stupid rules for the nfl but doesnt make a rule for rookies. This is the number one thing i hate abou the NFL rookie holdouts. Reggie Bush did it and m glad he got ownedNetYankEagle
So having a huge part in getting your team to it's first ever conference championship game was being owned? Didn't realize that.

no, being a bust and getting injured and Mario Williams being the better pick and Sheldon Brown is what got him Owned

The injuries are a tough part, but he was leading the league in TD's last year before he got hurt. As far as Sheldon Brown, not the best pass by Brees, but Bush got his revenge later in the game and the W which was way more important than one good hit.
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#32 CleanPlayer
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crabtree the next nfl drama queen?starwarsjunky
I really hope not. 49ers had TO, that was just too much drama.
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[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"]crabtree the next nfl drama queen?CleanPlayer
I really hope not. 49ers had TO, that was just too much drama.

well he's getting a good start to it...
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#34 NetYankEagle
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[QUOTE="geaux321"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="geaux321"] So having a huge part in getting your team to it's first ever conference championship game was being owned? Didn't realize that.

no, being a bust and getting injured and Mario Williams being the better pick and Sheldon Brown is what got him Owned

The injuries are a tough part, but he was leading the league in TD's last year before he got hurt. As far as Sheldon Brown, not the best pass by Brees, but Bush got his revenge later in the game and the W which was way more important than one good hit.

i dont have a hate on the man i just hate all rookies who hold out like they diserve all this money. They need a limit to rookie salary
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#35 nikolai37
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The NFL rookies make way ntoo much money and eventually they will have to stop it as it keeps increasing. The NBA is the best when it comes to handling rookie contracts. In Crabtrees case I sort of understand his point in wanting more money since he and many others believed he should have been picked higher, but I dont think anyone thought he would go 3. The money is so much larger for a 3 pick, he's probably wanting to get his big contract right from the start in case he doesnt end up a top receiver.
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#36 Oleg_Huzwog
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The NFL rookies make way ntoo much moneynikolai37

I've never understood this sentiment. The teams obviously think they're worth it, otherwise they wouldn't be handing out these contracts.

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#37 CommanderShiro
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A rookie cap would be great for the NFL. Teams pick early in the draft because they need help from impact rookies. But all the damn money they demand hurts these teams just as much.

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Cant wait for rookie salery cap

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[QUOTE="nikolai37"]The NFL rookies make way ntoo much moneyOleg_Huzwog

I've never understood this sentiment. The teams obviously think they're worth it, otherwise they wouldn't be handing out these contracts.

It's either sign them or waste a valuable draft pick.
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#40 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="nikolai37"]The NFL rookies make way ntoo much moneyChutebox

I've never understood this sentiment. The teams obviously think they're worth it, otherwise they wouldn't be handing out these contracts.

It's either sign them or waste a valuable draft pick.

A valuable pick warrants a similarly valuable contract. It's up to the team to determine just how valuable that pick really is.

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I can't say that I'm surprised, people have been kissing the guy's butt since highschool and now he expects the Niners to do the same. I'm sure that a rookie payscale is on the back burner somewhere, but in the meantime this crap is going to keep happening.
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he should get top 5 money...he deserves it and has the ability to be one of the best recievers
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he should get top 5 money...he deserves it and has the ability to be one of the best recieverschAzN93
Haha, feel free to use a pick on him in our fantasy draft then.....
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[QUOTE="chAzN93"]he should get top 5 money...he deserves it and has the ability to be one of the best recieversSecond_Rook
Haha, feel free to use a pick on him in our fantasy draft then.....

going to be...obviously not right now :|
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[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"]crabtree the next nfl drama queen?theone86

What is it with receivers?

No joke, receivers seem like the biggest prima donna's in the game. You would think QB's would be alot higher maintanence.
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"]crabtree the next nfl drama queen?d12malu

What is it with receivers?

No joke, receivers seem like the biggest prima donna's in the game. You would think QB's would be alot higher maintanence.

I suspect it has to do with job difficulty. QBs have a hard job. They're faced with some tough challenges so I think they're a bit sheepish compared to a dude whose job is to just run out there and catch a football. If they don't get the ball... whose fault is that? They're always open ;)
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[QUOTE="d12malu"][QUOTE="theone86"]

What is it with receivers?

duxup

No joke, receivers seem like the biggest prima donna's in the game. You would think QB's would be alot higher maintanence.

I suspect it has to do with job difficulty. QBs have a hard job. They're faced with some tough challenges so I think they're a bit sheepish compared to a dude whose job is to just run out there and catch a football. If they don't get the ball... whose fault is that? They're always open ;)

by that same logic, you can use it for any position in any sport. how hard is wrestling? you just have to push a guy on the ground for a few seconds. hockey? you just have to put a little puck in a net. o-line? just keep people away from the guy throwing the ball. i can go on....

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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="d12malu"] No joke, receivers seem like the biggest prima donna's in the game. You would think QB's would be alot higher maintanence.starwarsjunky

I suspect it has to do with job difficulty. QBs have a hard job. They're faced with some tough challenges so I think they're a bit sheepish compared to a dude whose job is to just run out there and catch a football. If they don't get the ball... whose fault is that? They're always open ;)

by that same logic, you can use it for any position in any sport. how hard is wrestling? you just have to push a guy on the ground for a few seconds. hockey? you just have to put a little puck in a net. o-line? just keep people away from the guy throwing the ball. i can go on....

Huh? WR just has to catch, and has a easy outs as excuses. A hockey player, O-line dude, wrestling all face someone one on one and there's not much excuse if someone gets past you. WR, hey the ball wasn't where it should be, I was open and so on. I would also argue that WRs in college face some of the weakest opposition in all of sports. The college secondaries in general STINK. It is easy to outrun everyone and get a big head.
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[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"]

[QUOTE="duxup"] I suspect it has to do with job difficulty. QBs have a hard job. They're faced with some tough challenges so I think they're a bit sheepish compared to a dude whose job is to just run out there and catch a football. If they don't get the ball... whose fault is that? They're always open ;)duxup

by that same logic, you can use it for any position in any sport. how hard is wrestling? you just have to push a guy on the ground for a few seconds. hockey? you just have to put a little puck in a net. o-line? just keep people away from the guy throwing the ball. i can go on....

Huh? WR just has to catch, and has a easy outs as excuses. A hockey player, O-line dude, wrestling all face someone one on one and there's not much excuse if someone gets past you. WR, hey the ball wasn't where it should be, I was open and so on. I would also argue that WRs in college face some of the weakest opposition in all of sports. The college secondaries in general STINK. It is easy to outrun everyone and get a big head.

im not arguing that qb isn't more important, just your logic. its not necessarily as easy as you think to "just catch".
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#50 duxup
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="starwarsjunky"] by that same logic, you can use it for any position in any sport. how hard is wrestling? you just have to push a guy on the ground for a few seconds. hockey? you just have to put a little puck in a net. o-line? just keep people away from the guy throwing the ball. i can go on....

starwarsjunky

Huh? WR just has to catch, and has a easy outs as excuses. A hockey player, O-line dude, wrestling all face someone one on one and there's not much excuse if someone gets past you. WR, hey the ball wasn't where it should be, I was open and so on. I would also argue that WRs in college face some of the weakest opposition in all of sports. The college secondaries in general STINK. It is easy to outrun everyone and get a big head.

im not arguing that qb isn't more important, just your logic. its not necessarily as easy as you think to "just catch".

Compared to the other jobs as long as a WR catches sometimes he can think he's awesome. Other players actually get beat by a dude facing them. A WR if the QB makes a good pass might not even beat the player guarding him and look / think he is awesome and heck even get much of the credit.