Who do you think will win?
I've got Hatton knocking Pacquiao out in the 6th round - 28/1
Hitman vs Pacman
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Pacman. Although I won't be paying for this overpriced fiasco. DoomtimeAre you from the UK or the US? I think it has the potential to be a great fight - I am slightly concerned about the stories coming out of the Hatton camp that mayweather may not be in his corner for the fight however Pretty boy back out of retirement too - could be a great year for boxing - just need to find a heavyweight
Wow, you know nothing about boxing. I think there's a great possibility that Pacquaio will never lose again after that insane performance.......wow hatton sucks. I knew he hadn't fought any big names other than Mayweather who tore him up too, but damn. Stay overseas and fight those bums, cause he sure as hell can't handle the primetime fighters
sixringz1
Wow. Let's see Pac-Man V Mayweather this winter!btaylor2404FTW!!!
I think saying Hatton sucks is a bit far off...at the end of the day he'd beaten the 10 stone division for 4 years...and you can only fight whats in front of you...he mans up to fight Mayweather...and gets beaten - no disgrace there...I'd hoped fora better showing than this vs Pacman but whilst I admit id underestimated Pacman - did you listen to Roach...theyd trained for that scenario...it was a well executed gameplan from the team...so I dont think Hatton sucks - I think it was an all round brilliant execution by the Pacman team
I hope Pacman vs Mayweather happens but if it gets made at Floyds weight got to expect him to win really...Floyd has Mannys speed with extra power
[QUOTE="sixringz1"]Wow, you know nothing about boxing. I think there's a great possibility that Pacquaio will never lose again after that insane performance....... I know nothing about boxing? That's laughable. I've been watching the sport for damn near 20 years. My point is that an elite level fighter, which is what hatton is SUPPOSED TO BE, does not get obliderated by other elite level fighters. I'm not saying he had to beat the elite level fighters but he had to a t least prove he belonged in the same ring. He's fought 2 guys that are Elite level boxers and made him look like an amateur. That shouldn't happen. Mayweather killed him and this was a demolition. So you can tell me that when paired with the top tier fighters Hatton doesn't suck? That was my point. And it's not just these 2. He could fight Mosley, Cotto, Paul Williams, even Margarito w/out the concrete blocks in his gloves and it would be the same result. He may not suck in terms of theboxing as a whole, but once again, for being a SUPPOSED elite level boxer, he has no business being in the ring with the best - Period!Explain to me what "i don't know about boxing" based on my postwow hatton sucks. I knew he hadn't fought any big names other than Mayweather who tore him up too, but damn. Stay overseas and fight those bums, cause he sure as hell can't handle the primetime fighters
hillelslovak
While Pretty Boy has the speed to match Manny I will say that the close to two-year away from the ring may hurt him. I also think people will continue to underestimate Manny's power because people focus so much on his speed. While I'm a fan of Manny I am also a huge fan of boxing and could look at such a match-up with an objective eye. This destruction of Hatton will boost Manny's confidence even more. IT shows he can take on a bigger opponent and still beat them at their power game. If Mayweather has a weakness it's that he never utilizes his speed and power to end a fight. He likes to play to the crowd and uses the excuse that they paid for a fight so he gives them a long one. Manny just goes in does his business and leaves.
One other factor will be the trainers. Roach has shown that he knows how to prepare Manny for every opponent. Not wanting to settle on just relying on Manny's speed and power. If Mayweather, Sr. is Pretty Boy's trainer (good chance that will happen) then I can see the Senior trying too hard to find a way to beat Roach as a trainer instead of training Pretty Boy to win the fight.
If Mayweather Snr trains Floyd then Floyd may be in trouble...its no secret that the Hatton regulars werent happy with Mayweathers attitude...Floyd should stick with Roger if possible
Roach and Pacquiaos relationship is a definate advantage...Roach knows Manny inside out physically and mentally meaning that his supebr training ability is increased even further due to the 8 years theyve been together - hence the destruction of Hatton - Roach and Manny are a great team I have to applaud them, I knew Ricky wasnt worthy of the title best in the world prior tothis fight but th gameplan they brought t the ring made him look worse than he really is
Wow, you know nothing about boxing. I think there's a great possibility that Pacquaio will never lose again after that insane performance....... I know nothing about boxing? That's laughable. I've been watching the sport for damn near 20 years. My point is that an elite level fighter, which is what hatton is SUPPOSED TO BE, does not get obliderated by other elite level fighters. I'm not saying he had to beat the elite level fighters but he had to a t least prove he belonged in the same ring. He's fought 2 guys that are Elite level boxers and made him look like an amateur. That shouldn't happen. Mayweather killed him and this was a demolition. So you can tell me that when paired with the top tier fighters Hatton doesn't suck? That was my point. And it's not just these 2. He could fight Mosley, Cotto, Paul Williams, even Margarito w/out the concrete blocks in his gloves and it would be the same result. He may not suck in terms of theboxing as a whole, but once again, for being a SUPPOSED elite level boxer, he has no business being in the ring with the best - Period!Explain to me what "i don't know about boxing" based on my post Hatton wasn't getting destroyed by Mayweather, he wasn't doing enough to win a majortiy of the rounds, but he was keeping up, and he got caught, simple. And Pacquiao has been kiking everybody's ass for YEARS. Just because Hatton got destroyed by Pacquiao (like everyone else) doesn't make him a b-level fighter, it makes Pacquiao an amazing fighter. And Hatton has not faced bums. The junior WW division is not stacked like WW, but he beat every challenger in the division until tonight. I don't know how your only losses came to the #1 and #2 boxers in the world makes you suck............[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="sixringz1"]
wow hatton sucks. I knew he hadn't fought any big names other than Mayweather who tore him up too, but damn. Stay overseas and fight those bums, cause he sure as hell can't handle the primetime fighters
sixringz1
[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]I guess this is why everyone prefers UFC now.Mitten123Nah on a global sclae Floyd vs Manny would destroy any UFC bout Not just on a global scale. That's a superfight, and when a fight like that happens, everyone, boxing fan or not, watches.
Wow, you know nothing about boxing. I think there's a great possibility that Pacquaio will never lose again after that insane performance.......hillelslovakI know nothing about boxing? That's laughable. I've been watching the sport for damn near 20 years. My point is that an elite level fighter, which is what hatton is SUPPOSED TO BE, does not get obliderated by other elite level fighters. I'm not saying he had to beat the elite level fighters but he had to a t least prove he belonged in the same ring. He's fought 2 guys that are Elite level boxers and made him look like an amateur. That shouldn't happen. Mayweather killed him and this was a demolition. So you can tell me that when paired with the top tier fighters Hatton doesn't suck? That was my point. And it's not just these 2. He could fight Mosley, Cotto, Paul Williams, even Margarito w/out the concrete blocks in his gloves and it would be the same result. He may not suck in terms of theboxing as a whole, but once again, for being a SUPPOSED elite level boxer, he has no business being in the ring with the best - Period!Explain to me what "i don't know about boxing" based on my post Hatton wasn't getting destroyed by Mayweather, he wasn't doing enough to win a majortiy of the rounds, but he was keeping up, and he got caught, simple. And Pacquiao has been kiking everybody's ass for YEARS. Just because Hatton got destroyed by Pacquiao (like everyone else) doesn't make him a b-level fighter, it makes Pacquiao an amazing fighter. And Hatton has not faced bums. The junior WW division is not stacked like WW, but he beat every challenger in the division until tonight. I don't know how your only losses came to the #1 and #2 boxers in the world makes you suck............ Well said
HA HA HA HA HAWho do you think will win?
I've got Hatton knocking Pacquiao out in the 6th round - 28/1
Mitten123
Wow, you know nothing about boxing. I think there's a great possibility that Pacquaio will never lose again after that insane performance.......hillelslovakI know nothing about boxing? That's laughable. I've been watching the sport for damn near 20 years. My point is that an elite level fighter, which is what hatton is SUPPOSED TO BE, does not get obliderated by other elite level fighters. I'm not saying he had to beat the elite level fighters but he had to a t least prove he belonged in the same ring. He's fought 2 guys that are Elite level boxers and made him look like an amateur. That shouldn't happen. Mayweather killed him and this was a demolition. So you can tell me that when paired with the top tier fighters Hatton doesn't suck? That was my point. And it's not just these 2. He could fight Mosley, Cotto, Paul Williams, even Margarito w/out the concrete blocks in his gloves and it would be the same result. He may not suck in terms of theboxing as a whole, but once again, for being a SUPPOSED elite level boxer, he has no business being in the ring with the best - Period!Explain to me what "i don't know about boxing" based on my post Hatton wasn't getting destroyed by Mayweather, he wasn't doing enough to win a majortiy of the rounds, but he was keeping up, and he got caught, simple. And Pacquiao has been kiking everybody's ass for YEARS. Just because Hatton got destroyed by Pacquiao (like everyone else) doesn't make him a b-level fighter, it makes Pacquiao an amazing fighter. And Hatton has not faced bums. The junior WW division is not stacked like WW, but he beat every challenger in the division until tonight. I don't know how your only losses came to the #1 and #2 boxers in the world makes you suck............ ok sucks was the wrong word. But he obviously doesn't deserve to be in the ring with elite level boxers cause this is what happened. He won one round against mayweather and was slowly getting beaten down each round til he finally got knocked out. Then you have this fight. An elite level fighter is judged by how he performs against elite level competition. He's had 2 chances, and not only didn't he win either, he got destroyed. The biggest win of his career was against Kasta Tszyu. Does that really scream out elite fighter. I'm sorry but the guy is a second tier fighter. There's no other way to look at it. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams (maybe a couple others) are first class junior welterweight and welterweight fighters. Ricky Hatton doesn't belong in that class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXIYftsM4dI
Here you guys.
Who do you think will win?
I've got Hatton knocking Pacquiao out in the 6th round - 28/1
HA HA HA HA HA Yeah not exactly covered myself in glory there...but I took it more for the odds than expectation...luckily made that money bacj easily with a decent night on the cash tables[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="sixringz1"] I know nothing about boxing? That's laughable. I've been watching the sport for damn near 20 years. My point is that an elite level fighter, which is what hatton is SUPPOSED TO BE, does not get obliderated by other elite level fighters. I'm not saying he had to beat the elite level fighters but he had to a t least prove he belonged in the same ring. He's fought 2 guys that are Elite level boxers and made him look like an amateur. That shouldn't happen. Mayweather killed him and this was a demolition. So you can tell me that when paired with the top tier fighters Hatton doesn't suck? That was my point. And it's not just these 2. He could fight Mosley, Cotto, Paul Williams, even Margarito w/out the concrete blocks in his gloves and it would be the same result. He may not suck in terms of theboxing as a whole, but once again, for being a SUPPOSED elite level boxer, he has no business being in the ring with the best - Period!Explain to me what "i don't know about boxing" based on my postHatton wasn't getting destroyed by Mayweather, he wasn't doing enough to win a majortiy of the rounds, but he was keeping up, and he got caught, simple. And Pacquiao has been kiking everybody's ass for YEARS. Just because Hatton got destroyed by Pacquiao (like everyone else) doesn't make him a b-level fighter, it makes Pacquiao an amazing fighter. And Hatton has not faced bums. The junior WW division is not stacked like WW, but he beat every challenger in the division until tonight. I don't know how your only losses came to the #1 and #2 boxers in the world makes you suck............ ok sucks was the wrong word. But he obviously doesn't deserve to be in the ring with elite level boxers cause this is what happened. He won one round against mayweather and was slowly getting beaten down each round til he finally got knocked out. Then you have this fight. An elite level fighter is judged by how he performs against elite level competition. He's had 2 chances, and not only didn't he win either, he got destroyed. The biggest win of his career was against Kasta Tszyu. Does that really scream out elite fighter. I'm sorry but the guy is a second tier fighter. There's no other way to look at it. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams (maybe a couple others) are first class junior welterweight and welterweight fighters. Ricky Hatton doesn't belong in that class. Well the world was saying Tszyu was elite when Hatton beat him.... In regards to Mayweather and Pacman I agree with you...theyre at a different level...Mosley..Id expect to beat Hatton too...Cotto Im not so sure about...even 3 years ago...you need to remember its about styles too and Hatton Cotto would have been a dream to watch...second tier wuld bracket him as not being worhy of a world a champion which hes been for four years so is quite disrespectful of his achivements He is a top tier fighter...just not top of the tier. he should retire now and be proud of his achievements, if he does a farewell figt here in the UK - its a mistakesixringz1
[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="sixringz1"] I know nothing about boxing? That's laughable. I've been watching the sport for damn near 20 years. My point is that an elite level fighter, which is what hatton is SUPPOSED TO BE, does not get obliderated by other elite level fighters. I'm not saying he had to beat the elite level fighters but he had to a t least prove he belonged in the same ring. He's fought 2 guys that are Elite level boxers and made him look like an amateur. That shouldn't happen. Mayweather killed him and this was a demolition. So you can tell me that when paired with the top tier fighters Hatton doesn't suck? That was my point. And it's not just these 2. He could fight Mosley, Cotto, Paul Williams, even Margarito w/out the concrete blocks in his gloves and it would be the same result. He may not suck in terms of theboxing as a whole, but once again, for being a SUPPOSED elite level boxer, he has no business being in the ring with the best - Period!Explain to me what "i don't know about boxing" based on my postHatton wasn't getting destroyed by Mayweather, he wasn't doing enough to win a majortiy of the rounds, but he was keeping up, and he got caught, simple. And Pacquiao has been kiking everybody's ass for YEARS. Just because Hatton got destroyed by Pacquiao (like everyone else) doesn't make him a b-level fighter, it makes Pacquiao an amazing fighter. And Hatton has not faced bums. The junior WW division is not stacked like WW, but he beat every challenger in the division until tonight. I don't know how your only losses came to the #1 and #2 boxers in the world makes you suck............ ok sucks was the wrong word. But he obviously doesn't deserve to be in the ring with elite level boxers cause this is what happened. He won one round against mayweather and was slowly getting beaten down each round til he finally got knocked out. Then you have this fight. An elite level fighter is judged by how he performs against elite level competition. He's had 2 chances, and not only didn't he win either, he got destroyed. The biggest win of his career was against Kasta Tszyu. Does that really scream out elite fighter. I'm sorry but the guy is a second tier fighter. There's no other way to look at it. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams (maybe a couple others) are first class junior welterweight and welterweight fighters. Ricky Hatton doesn't belong in that class.sixringz1
NONE of those guys are junior welterweights, and Hatton will probably never fight at WW. He doesn't belong in the ring with Williams, Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, etc etc etc because he's not a welterweight, he's a junior welterweight. He's certainly not a top level WW, because HE'S NOT A WELTERWEIGHT........
ok sucks was the wrong word. But he obviously doesn't deserve to be in the ring with elite level boxers cause this is what happened. He won one round against mayweather and was slowly getting beaten down each round til he finally got knocked out. Then you have this fight. An elite level fighter is judged by how he performs against elite level competition. He's had 2 chances, and not only didn't he win either, he got destroyed. The biggest win of his career was against Kasta Tszyu. Does that really scream out elite fighter. I'm sorry but the guy is a second tier fighter. There's no other way to look at it. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams (maybe a couple others) are first class junior welterweight and welterweight fighters. Ricky Hatton doesn't belong in that class.[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="hillelslovak"] Hatton wasn't getting destroyed by Mayweather, he wasn't doing enough to win a majortiy of the rounds, but he was keeping up, and he got caught, simple. And Pacquiao has been kiking everybody's ass for YEARS. Just because Hatton got destroyed by Pacquiao (like everyone else) doesn't make him a b-level fighter, it makes Pacquiao an amazing fighter. And Hatton has not faced bums. The junior WW division is not stacked like WW, but he beat every challenger in the division until tonight. I don't know how your only losses came to the #1 and #2 boxers in the world makes you suck............hillelslovak
NONE of those guys are junior welterweights, and Hatton will probably never fight at WW. He doesn't belong in the ring with Williams, Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, etc etc etc because he's not a welterweight, he's a junior welterweight. He's certainly not a top level WW, because HE'S NOT A WELTERWEIGHT........
This was a JW fight and Mayweather had spent the majority of his career in JW. He only moved up to WW and then JMW his last handful of fights. That's what ELITE LEVEL FIGHTERS do. They move up to fight the best competition. It's been that way for over a century. Fighters who stay in one division to beat mediocore talent (aka Roy Jones Jr.) rather than moving up OR down in weight to find the big fight are chumps. I do give him the credit for at least giving it a shot, which is more than i could say for the likes of Roy Jones. But he is simply outclassed by elite fighters. I'm not trying to come off like i have something against the guy cause i don't. He's an entertaining fighter and always has been, which as a fan i appreciate, but he's a notch below the elite. JW and WW is a 7 lb difference. You act like it's night and day. Especially when hatton walks around at 175 lbs consistantly when he's not in training.[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="sixringz1"] ok sucks was the wrong word. But he obviously doesn't deserve to be in the ring with elite level boxers cause this is what happened. He won one round against mayweather and was slowly getting beaten down each round til he finally got knocked out. Then you have this fight. An elite level fighter is judged by how he performs against elite level competition. He's had 2 chances, and not only didn't he win either, he got destroyed. The biggest win of his career was against Kasta Tszyu. Does that really scream out elite fighter. I'm sorry but the guy is a second tier fighter. There's no other way to look at it. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams (maybe a couple others) are first class junior welterweight and welterweight fighters. Ricky Hatton doesn't belong in that class.sixringz1
NONE of those guys are junior welterweights, and Hatton will probably never fight at WW. He doesn't belong in the ring with Williams, Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, etc etc etc because he's not a welterweight, he's a junior welterweight. He's certainly not a top level WW, because HE'S NOT A WELTERWEIGHT........
This was a JW fight and Mayweather had spent the majority of his career in JW. He only moved up to WW and then JMW his last handful of fights. That's what ELITE LEVEL FIGHTERS do. They move up to fight the best competition. It's been that way for over a century. Fighters who stay in one division to beat mediocore talent (aka Roy Jones Jr.) rather than moving up OR down in weight to find the big fight are chumps. I do give him the credit for at least giving it a shot, which is more than i could say for the likes of Roy Jones. But he is simply outclassed by elite fighters. I'm not trying to come off like i have something against the guy cause i don't. He's an entertaining fighter and always has been, which as a fan i appreciate, but he's a notch below the elite. JW and WW is a 7 lb difference. You act like it's night and day. Especially when hatton walks around at 175 lbs consistantly when he's not in training. Hatton is an elite junior welterweight, problem is that there aren't really big challenges for him anymore in the division. He's still a very great fighter, Pacquiao and Mayweather are two of the best fighters of the last 25 years though. Losing to them doesn't make anyone suck. And I agree with your assessment of RJJ though.....
Wow, you know nothing about boxing. I think there's a great possibility that Pacquaio will never lose again after that insane performance....... I know nothing about boxing? That's laughable. I've been watching the sport for damn near 20 years. My point is that an elite level fighter, which is what hatton is SUPPOSED TO BE, does not get obliderated by other elite level fighters. I'm not saying he had to beat the elite level fighters but he had to a t least prove he belonged in the same ring. He's fought 2 guys that are Elite level boxers and made him look like an amateur. That shouldn't happen. Mayweather killed him and this was a demolition. So you can tell me that when paired with the top tier fighters Hatton doesn't suck? That was my point. And it's not just these 2. He could fight Mosley, Cotto, Paul Williams, even Margarito w/out the concrete blocks in his gloves and it would be the same result. He may not suck in terms of theboxing as a whole, but once again, for being a SUPPOSED elite level boxer, he has no business being in the ring with the best - Period!Explain to me what "i don't know about boxing" based on my post actually he fought 3 elite fighters. kostya tszu (one of the greatest lightweight and junior welter) but he was already in the twilight of his career. but yes, hatton is not an elite fighter...he never beat anyone in their prime, and made his name based on tszu, jose louis castillo (who was at his best against mayweather and corales) mid level fighter...think he should retire, he can't take anymore punishment if he fights elite fighters. pacman was awesome, actually knocking down hatton with a RIGHT HOOK. that ko was vicious.i hope that he fights a couple more people...but i'm a little iffy if he fights mayweather. future hall of famer....[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="sixringz1"]
wow hatton sucks. I knew he hadn't fought any big names other than Mayweather who tore him up too, but damn. Stay overseas and fight those bums, cause he sure as hell can't handle the primetime fighters
sixringz1
[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="hillelslovak"]This was a JW fight and Mayweather had spent the majority of his career in JW. He only moved up to WW and then JMW his last handful of fights. That's what ELITE LEVEL FIGHTERS do. They move up to fight the best competition. It's been that way for over a century. Fighters who stay in one division to beat mediocore talent (aka Roy Jones Jr.) rather than moving up OR down in weight to find the big fight are chumps. I do give him the credit for at least giving it a shot, which is more than i could say for the likes of Roy Jones. But he is simply outclassed by elite fighters. I'm not trying to come off like i have something against the guy cause i don't. He's an entertaining fighter and always has been, which as a fan i appreciate, but he's a notch below the elite. JW and WW is a 7 lb difference. You act like it's night and day. Especially when hatton walks around at 175 lbs consistantly when he's not in training. Hatton is an elite junior welterweight, problem is that there aren't really big challenges for him anymore in the division. He's still a very great fighter, Pacquiao and Mayweather are two of the best fighters of the last 25 years though. Losing to them doesn't make anyone suck. And I agree with your assessment of RJJ though.....NONE of those guys are junior welterweights, and Hatton will probably never fight at WW. He doesn't belong in the ring with Williams, Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, etc etc etc because he's not a welterweight, he's a junior welterweight. He's certainly not a top level WW, because HE'S NOT A WELTERWEIGHT........
hillelslovak
he is not an elite fighter....what makes him an elite fighter? he lost to elite fighters in their prime.tszu was not in his prime when he quit on his stool. jose louis castillo has been a joke since the corrales fight. hatton should have lost to collazo, but got a disputable decision. juan urango is mediocre only worthy of winning vacant alphabet titles, and if paulie mallanagi had any power, hatton prolly would have lost 2, but since he didn't, hatton got away lunging in. i like hatton but pls don't get it twisted guys, he is not an elite fighter...and he will prolly retire. the best british boxer is now retired -joe calzaghe
[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="sixringz1"] ok sucks was the wrong word. But he obviously doesn't deserve to be in the ring with elite level boxers cause this is what happened. He won one round against mayweather and was slowly getting beaten down each round til he finally got knocked out. Then you have this fight. An elite level fighter is judged by how he performs against elite level competition. He's had 2 chances, and not only didn't he win either, he got destroyed. The biggest win of his career was against Kasta Tszyu. Does that really scream out elite fighter. I'm sorry but the guy is a second tier fighter. There's no other way to look at it. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams (maybe a couple others) are first class junior welterweight and welterweight fighters. Ricky Hatton doesn't belong in that class.sixringz1
NONE of those guys are junior welterweights, and Hatton will probably never fight at WW. He doesn't belong in the ring with Williams, Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, etc etc etc because he's not a welterweight, he's a junior welterweight. He's certainly not a top level WW, because HE'S NOT A WELTERWEIGHT........
This was a JW fight and Mayweather had spent the majority of his career in JW. He only moved up to WW and then JMW his last handful of fights. That's what ELITE LEVEL FIGHTERS do. They move up to fight the best competition. It's been that way for over a century. Fighters who stay in one division to beat mediocore talent (aka Roy Jones Jr.) rather than moving up OR down in weight to find the big fight are chumps. I do give him the credit for at least giving it a shot, which is more than i could say for the likes of Roy Jones. But he is simply outclassed by elite fighters. I'm not trying to come off like i have something against the guy cause i don't. He's an entertaining fighter and always has been, which as a fan i appreciate, but he's a notch below the elite. JW and WW is a 7 lb difference. You act like it's night and day. Especially when hatton walks around at 175 lbs consistantly when he's not in training. Have to disagree on the Jones Jr. point. He's a shell of his former self, and should have retired years ago, but he's won titles from Middleweight all the way to Heavyweight. He's made major moves in weight classes. I agree he stood pat for years in LHW, when he was at his best, but he still made major weight movements. 7 pounds in boxing is a large difference.Imo, Floyd wasn't destroying Hatton in their fight. He cried after the TKO i think because for the first time he was worried his showboating and 2 punch combos were not overwhelming his opponent. If Hatton is a B list fighter than so was Joe Frasier. Foreman destroyed Frasier in 2 in '73. In '74, frasier fought Ali to a 12 rd. decision. Ali beats the piss out of Foreman in 8 later that year. Then Frasier fights Ali for 14 brutal rounds in '75. Styles make fights. Hatton was tailor made for a fast, strong, 3-4 punch combo fighter like Pacman. I think Pacquiao rips Floyd up in 7, when they fight. He's fast enough to hit him consistently and he hits hard. Plus Floyd isn't going to be willing to take 'em to land 'em like Pacman is.no way about Frazier. Frazier beat Ali. And was right there wi/ him at the Thrilla in Manilla and Ali wasn't going to last the final rd . It was Frazier's people who threw in the towel. Every one of their fights was close. In fact you can make an argument that Frazier should have won all 3. He also fought and beat Buster Mathis for the vacant Heavyweight belt, who was an elite level heavyweight. I called him a B list fighter because he got manhandled in his 2 biggest fights. I didn't just make this up. Teddy Atlas said the same thing. Mayweather had won every round against Hatton except one on ALL THE JUDGES scorecards. He was winning each round more and more convincingly as the fight went on til he knocked him out. It was a surgical procedure. And as for him crying, he does that in all his big fights. He cried when he beat Gotti, and hugged him after the fight. I don't judge a fighter's class based on whether or not they win or lose, but rather how they performed. And the fact is in his 2 elite fight he has fought a total 12 rounds and won 1 and got convincingly knocked out in both. It wasn't some lucky Foreman vs Moorer knockout in the mayweather fight. He was wearing him out a little worse each round. In MY OPINION, and that's all it is, in order to be an elite fighter you have to prove that you belong in the ring w/ the best. You don't have to win but you have to look like you belong and Hatton hasn't done that in his 2 elite level fights. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me a 3rd time......well i'm not sure there will be a 3rd timecainetao11
Wow, you know nothing about boxing. I think there's a great possibility that Pacquaio will never lose again after that insane performance.......hillelslovakI know nothing about boxing? That's laughable. I've been watching the sport for damn near 20 years. My point is that an elite level fighter, which is what hatton is SUPPOSED TO BE, does not get obliderated by other elite level fighters. I'm not saying he had to beat the elite level fighters but he had to a t least prove he belonged in the same ring. He's fought 2 guys that are Elite level boxers and made him look like an amateur. That shouldn't happen. Mayweather killed him and this was a demolition. So you can tell me that when paired with the top tier fighters Hatton doesn't suck? That was my point. And it's not just these 2. He could fight Mosley, Cotto, Paul Williams, even Margarito w/out the concrete blocks in his gloves and it would be the same result. He may not suck in terms of theboxing as a whole, but once again, for being a SUPPOSED elite level boxer, he has no business being in the ring with the best - Period!Explain to me what "i don't know about boxing" based on my post Hatton wasn't getting destroyed by Mayweather, he wasn't doing enough to win a majortiy of the rounds, but he was keeping up, and he got caught, simple. And Pacquiao has been kiking everybody's ass for YEARS. Just because Hatton got destroyed by Pacquiao (like everyone else) doesn't make him a b-level fighter, it makes Pacquiao an amazing fighter. And Hatton has not faced bums. The junior WW division is not stacked like WW, but he beat every challenger in the division until tonight. I don't know how your only losses came to the #1 and #2 boxers in the world makes you suck............ Hatton was in no way keeping up with Mayweather, it was a completely one sided ass whoopin'.
ok sucks was the wrong word. But he obviously doesn't deserve to be in the ring with elite level boxers cause this is what happened. He won one round against mayweather and was slowly getting beaten down each round til he finally got knocked out. Then you have this fight. An elite level fighter is judged by how he performs against elite level competition. He's had 2 chances, and not only didn't he win either, he got destroyed. The biggest win of his career was against Kasta Tszyu. Does that really scream out elite fighter. I'm sorry but the guy is a second tier fighter. There's no other way to look at it. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams (maybe a couple others) are first class junior welterweight and welterweight fighters. Ricky Hatton doesn't belong in that class. Well the world was saying Tszyu was elite when Hatton beat him.... In regards to Mayweather and Pacman I agree with you...theyre at a different level...Mosley..Id expect to beat Hatton too...Cotto Im not so sure about...even 3 years ago...you need to remember its about styles too and Hatton Cotto would have been a dream to watch...second tier wuld bracket him as not being worhy of a world a champion which hes been for four years so is quite disrespectful of his achivements He is a top tier fighter...just not top of the tier. he should retire now and be proud of his achievements, if he does a farewell figt here in the UK - its a mistakeI would argue that Tszyu was never elite, his biggest win was against Zab in a fight that he was getting slapped around till he landed the big right ( that made Zab dance lol). Not only that but he had only fought once in like 3 years prior to fighting Hatton.[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="hillelslovak"] Hatton wasn't getting destroyed by Mayweather, he wasn't doing enough to win a majortiy of the rounds, but he was keeping up, and he got caught, simple. And Pacquiao has been kiking everybody's ass for YEARS. Just because Hatton got destroyed by Pacquiao (like everyone else) doesn't make him a b-level fighter, it makes Pacquiao an amazing fighter. And Hatton has not faced bums. The junior WW division is not stacked like WW, but he beat every challenger in the division until tonight. I don't know how your only losses came to the #1 and #2 boxers in the world makes you suck............Mitten123
P.S. Cotto would destroy Hatton.
ok sucks was the wrong word. But he obviously doesn't deserve to be in the ring with elite level boxers cause this is what happened. He won one round against mayweather and was slowly getting beaten down each round til he finally got knocked out. Then you have this fight. An elite level fighter is judged by how he performs against elite level competition. He's had 2 chances, and not only didn't he win either, he got destroyed. The biggest win of his career was against Kasta Tszyu. Does that really scream out elite fighter. I'm sorry but the guy is a second tier fighter. There's no other way to look at it. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams (maybe a couple others) are first class junior welterweight and welterweight fighters. Ricky Hatton doesn't belong in that class.sixringz1
NONE of those guys are junior welterweights, and Hatton will probably never fight at WW. He doesn't belong in the ring with Williams, Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, etc etc etc because he's not a welterweight, he's a junior welterweight. He's certainly not a top level WW, because HE'S NOT A WELTERWEIGHT........
This was a JW fight and Mayweather had spent the majority of his career in JW. He only moved up to WW and then JMW his last handful of fights. That's what ELITE LEVEL FIGHTERS do. They move up to fight the best competition. It's been that way for over a century. Fighters who stay in one division to beat mediocore talent (aka Roy Jones Jr.) rather than moving up OR down in weight to find the big fight are chumps. I do give him the credit for at least giving it a shot, which is more than i could say for the likes of Roy Jones. But he is simply outclassed by elite fighters. I'm not trying to come off like i have something against the guy cause i don't. He's an entertaining fighter and always has been, which as a fan i appreciate, but he's a notch below the elite. JW and WW is a 7 lb difference. You act like it's night and day. Especially when hatton walks around at 175 lbs consistantly when he's not in training. Actually, Mayweather fought most of his career at super featherweight. BTW Margarito should be banned for life.I guess this is why everyone prefers UFC now.X360PS3AMD05YOu mean white america?? Boxing is on a whole other level then MMA.. They get paid way way way more! And overseas its no where near as big as boxing so calm down with all that talk.
[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="hillelslovak"]This was a JW fight and Mayweather had spent the majority of his career in JW. He only moved up to WW and then JMW his last handful of fights. That's what ELITE LEVEL FIGHTERS do. They move up to fight the best competition. It's been that way for over a century. Fighters who stay in one division to beat mediocore talent (aka Roy Jones Jr.) rather than moving up OR down in weight to find the big fight are chumps. I do give him the credit for at least giving it a shot, which is more than i could say for the likes of Roy Jones. But he is simply outclassed by elite fighters. I'm not trying to come off like i have something against the guy cause i don't. He's an entertaining fighter and always has been, which as a fan i appreciate, but he's a notch below the elite. JW and WW is a 7 lb difference. You act like it's night and day. Especially when hatton walks around at 175 lbs consistantly when he's not in training. Have to disagree on the Jones Jr. point. He's a shell of his former self, and should have retired years ago, but he's won titles from Middleweight all the way to Heavyweight. He's made major moves in weight classes. I agree he stood pat for years in LHW, when he was at his best, but he still made major weight movements. 7 pounds in boxing is a large difference. Roy Jones did move up and get belts in a lot of weight classes which is impressive, but who did he beat. It seemed he would only make a jump when the competition was someone he knew he'd easily beat. Even when he went to heavyweight, he fought the worst Heavyweight champ in the history of the sport. When i look at a great boxer's career they have to have a benchmark fight. Something that years later you can say "when he beat so and so it was a classic". You have Ali vs Frazier, you have Hagler vs. Hearns, you have Leonard vs. Hagler, you have Holyfield vs Bowe/Tyson/Lewis, you have Delahoya vs Everybody lol. When i look at Roy Jones, his biggest win ever was against James Toney. He beat Hopkins when he was fresh out the pen. There is no way he could have beat him over the last 10 years and he knew that, that's why he didn't fight him. And now look what he's doing. He's staying around to fight other over the hill fighters who may have been great in their time, so that you can look back and see in 20 years "well Jones beat so and so and he was a big name fighter". But Toney was the only one he beat that was elite level and in his prime. Now don't get me wrong, i'm not saying HE COULDN'T do it, i'm just saying he didn't. And that's all i can go by. There is a reason Roy Jones PPV numbers are the worst in the history of boxing for someone at that level.NONE of those guys are junior welterweights, and Hatton will probably never fight at WW. He doesn't belong in the ring with Williams, Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, etc etc etc because he's not a welterweight, he's a junior welterweight. He's certainly not a top level WW, because HE'S NOT A WELTERWEIGHT........
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