I Don't See How People Can Claim Michael Vick Served His Time

First off let me start by saying I'm not a football fan and I'm not fully against Vick, I think it's a very complex gray issue that has to unroll some more. But I'm a little shocked how many people (mainly football fans) claim that he "served his time". I don't see how someone can look at his crimes and look at his prison sentence and think they match in any way. People get 1 1/2 year sentences for minor drug charges not for massive multi-state, thousands of dollars, high stakes dog fighting operations that went on for 5+ years. It's like the difference between being caught and arrested for a small bag of weed versus growing a massive plantation of weed. It's a massive difference.

In all reality take away his name, money, fame, and any other external factors that could change the outcome of the dog fighting charages that Vick faced. To me at very least he should serve 5 or so years in prison, that's including with pleas and all that other legal stuff. Some football fans seem to feel that if he's rehabilitated and trully sorry for what he did that he should be free and it's blows me away since it's not just about remose and regret, there is a level of "debt" to soceity that is simply not met with a 1 1/2 year sentencein prison.

Dont get me wrong I think he should have a second chance but it is shocking that you can kill dogs in all sorts of just insane ways including drowning and electrocution. I don't care if you are or arn't a big animal lover but really think about that...electrocuting a pitbull till the animal dies. That's some nasty stuff and he did it a number of times over a 5+ year span and didn't click that is not just plain sick and nasty. And not to just put pressure on Vick the NFL in general is a bit of a joke, it's by far has the lease discipline compared to the other American sports leagues but I don't want to start a whole debate on that.

Can anyone explain to me though how a 1 1/2 prison sentence is in any way a fair sentence?

Don't forget the countless millions of lost wages and endorsements.

Don't forget the countless millions of lost wages and endorsements.

Oleg_Huzwog

What do you want him to do, shoot himself? He served the punishment handed down to him. Whether you don't think that was enough is not your decision, but rather its the court's and the NFL's. It may seem light to you, but that's one of the perks of being a celebrity.

He lost 100 and some million dollars. He plead guilty so his sentence was reduced. Stallworth got 24 days for killing someone. Burress is gonna get 1 year minimum

What he did wasn't as bad as what Stallworth and Burress did. flowersjf

It was worse

Vick didn't pay any price

The Commish made his prison sentence his suspension sentence and then tacked on another half dozen games but allowed him to sign and train with a team in the preseason. That's the huge thing.

If Vick makes something good out of his life which to this point has been crap (by his own making and stupidity) then good

Vick is a typical stupid person who can play a sport, maybe he'll be ok and maybe he wont

[QUOTE="flowersjf"]What he did wasn't as bad as what Stallworth and Burress did. Jaysonguy

It was worse

Vick didn't pay any price

The Commish made his prison sentence his suspension sentence and then tacked on another half dozen games but allowed him to sign and train with a team in the preseason. That's the huge thing.

If Vick makes something good out of his life which to this point has been crap (by his own making and stupidity) then good

Vick is a typical stupid person who can play a sport, maybe he'll be ok and maybe he wont

He paid a price to the tune of $135 million

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="flowersjf"]What he did wasn't as bad as what Stallworth and Burress did. Colin1192

It was worse

Vick didn't pay any price

The Commish made his prison sentence his suspension sentence and then tacked on another half dozen games but allowed him to sign and train with a team in the preseason. That's the huge thing.

If Vick makes something good out of his life which to this point has been crap (by his own making and stupidity) then good

Vick is a typical stupid person who can play a sport, maybe he'll be ok and maybe he wont

He paid a price to the tune of $135 million

No he didn't

The NFL didn't take that money away, him going to prison took that away

The NFL gave him half a dozen games and bent the rules so he could work with the team up to the point where he's back

Barely a slap on the hand

Since when was 23 months 1.5 years...that's some fuzzy math...And based on the law I think Vick had a max of 6 years possible and since he pleaded out he got a lower sentence. That is the way the justice system works. Cooperation is rewarded. If you want to blame anyone, blame the DA for giving him such a good plea deal. And the fact that he killed dogs is bad, but on the scale of bad things, that is really low. Stallworth KILLED a PERSON and got 24 days. Ray Lewis had MURDER charges. There are a lot of NFL players with assault charges...stop crying a river about some dogs and Vick when people have been charged with way worse in the NFL and got away lighter sentences. I don't make me bring up Marvin Handgun Harrison who basically runs whole blocks in North Philly. Dude has not spent a single day in jail. Vick did his time and paid his debt... let it go...fat_rob

[QUOTE="fat_rob"]Since when was 23 months 1.5 years...that's some fuzzy math...And based on the law I think Vick had a max of 6 years possible and since he pleaded out he got a lower sentence. That is the way the justice system works. Cooperation is rewarded. If you want to blame anyone, blame the DA for giving him such a good plea deal. And the fact that he killed dogs is bad, but on the scale of bad things, that is really low. Stallworth KILLED a PERSON and got 24 days. Ray Lewis had MURDER charges. There are a lot of NFL players with assault charges...stop crying a river about some dogs and Vick when people have been charged with way worse in the NFL and got away lighter sentences. I don't make me bring up Marvin Handgun Harrison who basically runs whole blocks in North Philly. Dude has not spent a single day in jail. Vick did his time and paid his debt... let it go...coltsfan4ever

Second?

This is his 4th chance while the court is still deciding about his latest transgression of stealing funds to pay his off bankruptcy

So second? That's an interesting way to count his troubles

[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

[QUOTE="fat_rob"]Since when was 23 months 1.5 years...that's some fuzzy math...And based on the law I think Vick had a max of 6 years possible and since he pleaded out he got a lower sentence. That is the way the justice system works. Cooperation is rewarded. If you want to blame anyone, blame the DA for giving him such a good plea deal. And the fact that he killed dogs is bad, but on the scale of bad things, that is really low. Stallworth KILLED a PERSON and got 24 days. Ray Lewis had MURDER charges. There are a lot of NFL players with assault charges...stop crying a river about some dogs and Vick when people have been charged with way worse in the NFL and got away lighter sentences. I don't make me bring up Marvin Handgun Harrison who basically runs whole blocks in North Philly. Dude has not spent a single day in jail. Vick did his time and paid his debt... let it go...Jaysonguy

Second?

This is his 4th chance while the court is still deciding about his latest transgression of stealing funds to pay his off bankruptcy

So second? That's an interesting way to count his troubles

people need to just move on with their lives. i don't understand what all the people who complain want. do you want him to get a life sentence. he lost 135 million dollars, not including endorsements. he also filed for bankruptcy and missed seeing his children grow up and think about it where is he going to get a job after football if (god forbid) he doesn't get hurt. i also want to know if he wassn't mike vick would people still be this angry. if he was a backup offensive tackle who would care. deopas

He did something wrong

I don't care who he is, him being a horrible QB doesn't have any influence over what I think his punishment should have been

He broke many laws and faced a lighter sentence then all other would in his shoes

[QUOTE="deopas"]people need to just move on with their lives. i don't understand what all the people who complain want. do you want him to get a life sentence. he lost 135 million dollars, not including endorsements. he also filed for bankruptcy and missed seeing his children grow up and think about it where is he going to get a job after football if (god forbid) he doesn't get hurt. i also want to know if he wassn't mike vick would people still be this angry. if he was a backup offensive tackle who would care. Jaysonguy

He did something wrong

I don't care who he is, him being a horrible QB doesn't have any influence over what I think his punishment should have been

He broke many laws and faced a lighter sentence then all other would in his shoes

He faced a harder sentence than most athletes

[QUOTE="deopas"]people need to just move on with their lives. i don't understand what all the people who complain want. do you want him to get a life sentence. he lost 135 million dollars, not including endorsements. he also filed for bankruptcy and missed seeing his children grow up and think about it where is he going to get a job after football if (god forbid) he doesn't get hurt. i also want to know if he wassn't mike vick would people still be this angry. if he was a backup offensive tackle who would care. Jaysonguy

He did something wrong

I don't care who he is, him being a horrible QB doesn't have any influence over what I think his punishment should have been

He broke many laws and faced a lighter sentence then all other would in his shoes

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="deopas"]people need to just move on with their lives. i don't understand what all the people who complain want. do you want him to get a life sentence. he lost 135 million dollars, not including endorsements. he also filed for bankruptcy and missed seeing his children grow up and think about it where is he going to get a job after football if (god forbid) he doesn't get hurt. i also want to know if he wassn't mike vick would people still be this angry. if he was a backup offensive tackle who would care. deopas

He did something wrong

I don't care who he is, him being a horrible QB doesn't have any influence over what I think his punishment should have been

He broke many laws and faced a lighter sentence then all other would in his shoes

Most people in his position face 5 years

From his intentional damaging of the NFL brand he should have faced a year when he got out with no contact at all with a team if he's signed

[QUOTE="deopas"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

He did something wrong

I don't care who he is, him being a horrible QB doesn't have any influence over what I think his punishment should have been

He broke many laws and faced a lighter sentence then all other would in his shoes

Jaysonguy

Most people in his position face 5 years

From his intentional damaging of the NFL brand he should have faced a year when he got out with no contact at all with a team if he's signed

What he did wasn't as bad as what Stallworth and Burress did. flowersjf

I just find it amazing that you can drown pitbulls, serve a weak 1 1/2 years in prison, and still come back maybe make $7,000,000 in the next two years. I know that's a fairly anti-Vick statement and I know it's more complex then that but it's still amazing to me just in princble.ghostphantom563

what burress did wasnt that bad people. Its a joke that he could face so much time for shooting himself. He caused no harm to anyone else. Dont give me the qualifer that he potentially could have because thats a load of bull. Facts are facts and he didnt hurt anyone else. Also nyc is stupid for wasting time on this. Vick served his time that was given to him. Get over it. If you cant show forgiveness to someone than that is one thing. However everyone gets second chances. You would want one if you were in his shoes. also how come everyone seems to care more about dogs then human life?xbox360isgr8t

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]what burress did wasnt that bad people. Its a joke that he could face so much time for shooting himself. He caused no harm to anyone else. Dont give me the qualifer that he potentially could have because thats a load of bull. Facts are facts and he didnt hurt anyone else. Also nyc is stupid for wasting time on this. Vick served his time that was given to him. Get over it. If you cant show forgiveness to someone than that is one thing. However everyone gets second chances. You would want one if you were in his shoes. also how come everyone seems to care more about dogs then human life?Tjeremiah1988

Funny how Vick kills a bunch of dogs and gets crucified and Stallworth KILLS A MAN and no one cares about what he did. Some people need to put some damn **** in perspective. Killing dogs is cruel, yes, but I have to call you a moron if you place a dog's life over that of a man that had a wife and a family. Vick didn't deserve as long of a sentence as he got, IMO. He deserved to go to jail, but not for 2 years.-Halftime-

That man ran out in front of the car

If Stallworth was sober he wouldn't have faced ANY penalty

What are people failing to understand here?

Stallworth's crime was that he drove under the influence, not that him being under the influence lead to the death of the pedestrian

This really isn't that complicated

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]Funny how Vick kills a bunch of dogs and gets crucified and Stallworth KILLS A MAN and no one cares about what he did. Some people need to put some damn **** in perspective. Killing dogs is cruel, yes, but I have to call you a moron if you place a dog's life over that of a man that had a wife and a family. Vick didn't deserve as long of a sentence as he got, IMO. He deserved to go to jail, but not for 2 years.Jaysonguy

That man ran out in front of the car

If Stallworth was sober he wouldn't have faced ANY penalty

What are people failing to understand here?

Stallworth's crime was that he drove under the influence, not that him being under the influence lead to the death of the pedestrian

This really isn't that complicated

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]Funny how Vick kills a bunch of dogs and gets crucified and Stallworth KILLS A MAN and no one cares about what he did. Some people need to put some damn **** in perspective. Killing dogs is cruel, yes, but I have to call you a moron if you place a dog's life over that of a man that had a wife and a family. Vick didn't deserve as long of a sentence as he got, IMO. He deserved to go to jail, but not for 2 years.bl33kda58

That man ran out in front of the car

If Stallworth was sober he wouldn't have faced ANY penalty

What are people failing to understand here?

Stallworth's crime was that he drove under the influence, not that him being under the influence lead to the death of the pedestrian

This really isn't that complicated

No, you're missing the point

Stallworth's crime is that he was under the influence, not that he killed someone as a result of being under the influence

If Stallworth was sober and in that same situation that man would still be dead because he ran out in front of Stallworth's car.

Follow me now?

Stallworth's crime is that he was under the influence, not that he killed someone as a result of being under the influence

Jaysonguy

Actually, thats exactly the what DUI manslaughter is

If Stallworth was sober and in that same situation that man would still be dead because he ran out in front of Stallworth's car.

Jaysonguy

You have no way of proving that, pedestrians always have the right of way.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Stallworth's crime is that he was under the influence, not that he killed someone as a result of being under the influence

DaBrainz

Actually, thats exactly the what DUI manslaughter is

If Stallworth was sober and in that same situation that man would still be dead because he ran out in front of Stallworth's car.

Jaysonguy

You have no way of proving that, pedestrians always have the right of way.

1. Again, missed the first point

2. No, not at all. I'm not sure where you're driving but if you run out in front of a car and get hit it's your fault and if you damage that car and die then the driver can sue the rest of your family for the cost of repair.

Pedestrians have the right of way in designated areas, which the person who Stallworth struck was not in

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]Funny how Vick kills a bunch of dogs and gets crucified and Stallworth KILLS A MAN and no one cares about what he did. Some people need to put some damn **** in perspective. Killing dogs is cruel, yes, but I have to call you a moron if you place a dog's life over that of a man that had a wife and a family. Vick didn't deserve as long of a sentence as he got, IMO. He deserved to go to jail, but not for 2 years.Jaysonguy

That man ran out in front of the car

If Stallworth was sober he wouldn't have faced ANY penalty

What are people failing to understand here?

Stallworth's crime was that he drove under the influence, not that him being under the influence lead to the death of the pedestrian

This really isn't that complicated

People complain too much. This is the judicial system we live by. You may not like it, you may not think it's fair, but guess what, it's what we have.Life is unfair. get over it. unfair prison terms are made every day---esp. for the rich/celebrities, but nothing we say will change anything. let's move on and hope that he really is a new person and will make a better life for himself and family.

[QUOTE="ghostphantom563"]I just find it amazing that you can drown pitbulls, serve a weak 1 1/2 years in prison, and still come back maybe make $7,000,000 in the next two years. I know that's a fairly anti-Vick statement and I know it's more complex then that but it's still amazing to me just in princble.Tjeremiah1988

i generally stay away from this topic because people get too passionate about it and are set in their ways. There is no point in arguing with people who have such strong feelings one way or the other, but i had to jump in on your comment. I'm just curious as to who the "white male" you are talking about is, cause if it's Mark Chmura, you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY need to get your facts straight before posting. If it's not him i apologize for jumping your post.

ps. Yes Vick personally with his own hands, hung, beat with barb wire wrapped poles, electricuted with jumper cables, drowned, etc. for nearly a decade. And despite the cruelty of all that people need to get their facts straight on this case. They just look at what's on the surface and don't know the FACTS. The majority of his sentence was because he was the HEAD, meaning FUNDED and BANK ROLLED an ILLEGAL GAMBLING ring which over the years accounted for 100's of thousands of unclaimed dolllars being exchanged over an interstae commerce, NOT, i repeat NOT, for killing dogs. His trouble came in when he LIED to the feds. For any of you who ever get in trouble with the law at any point, DON'T LIE. He got caught lieing and had the book thrown at him. If he would have been honest up front he wouldn't have had the charges he did.

Man, i tried to stay away from these kind of "social" posts and i still type a damn essay. lol

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]Funny how Vick kills a bunch of dogs and gets crucified and Stallworth KILLS A MAN and no one cares about what he did. Some people need to put some damn **** in perspective. Killing dogs is cruel, yes, but I have to call you a moron if you place a dog's life over that of a man that had a wife and a family. Vick didn't deserve as long of a sentence as he got, IMO. He deserved to go to jail, but not for 2 years.bl33kda58

That man ran out in front of the car

If Stallworth was sober he wouldn't have faced ANY penalty

What are people failing to understand here?

Stallworth's crime was that he drove under the influence, not that him being under the influence lead to the death of the pedestrian

This really isn't that complicated

The point is this...

The judge did not look at Stallworth's case and said "by being under the influence that resulted in you killing someone"
The judge looked at it and said "anyone sober in your situation would have killed that pedestrian, your being under the influence had no result in what happened."

That doesn't change the fact that he was under the influence while driving and that's what his punishment was, driving under the influence.

That's how he was judged and that's why he got the punishment he got

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="deopas"]people need to just move on with their lives. i don't understand what all the people who complain want. do you want him to get a life sentence. he lost 135 million dollars, not including endorsements. he also filed for bankruptcy and missed seeing his children grow up and think about it where is he going to get a job after football if (god forbid) he doesn't get hurt. i also want to know if he wassn't mike vick would people still be this angry. if he was a backup offensive tackle who would care. Colin1192

He did something wrong

I don't care who he is, him being a horrible QB doesn't have any influence over what I think his punishment should have been

He broke many laws and faced a lighter sentence then all other would in his shoes

He faced a harder sentence than most athletes

And if he was a non-athlete with a felony on his record, he'd be lucky to work flipping burgers.

All these guys are a joke, and have it so much better than any other ex-convict. Outside of athletics, few felons find any sort of decent work/salary in the future.

Your complaining about Vick's return to the NFL after 2 years fordogfightingwhen Donte Stallworth KILLED A MAN while driving intoxicated and got 24 DAYS in jail.

drowning pitbulls while sick isn't much of a crime at all. People kill other animals inmassive amounts, other ways, but there is no outrage if it's socially acceptable to kill fish or cows. Now I don't agree with what he did at all, and I have no respect for someone that does that, but if you think someone deserves 5 years for killing dogs, you are off your rocker. Someone who does that needs therapy, not a 5 year prison sentence.

Like the above poster said, Stallworth killed a guy, but since that was an accident, "it's not as bad," when actually it is worse in every way.

Your complaining about Vick's return to the NFL after 2 years fordogfightingwhen Donte Stallworth KILLED A MAN while driving intoxicated and got 24 DAYS in jail.

ChiSoxBombers

If Stallworth was sober that man still would have died from running out in front of his car