I don't think it's fair New England will not be in the playoffs.

[QUOTE="favre4thewin"]

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"] I'm not saying it's an excuse. Stop acting like Brady was meaningless to the team. He broke records last year and led our team to be undefeated in the regular season. Miami had a great turnaround and beat us early on. Why should the patriots be embarassed? We were apart of the most competitive division in the AFC. CleanPlayer

Would you have been better with Brady? Most likely. How much better? I don't think too much, Cassel played really good (though its an offesnse loaded with talent).

The AFC East has the best records in the NFL, though I don't think it was the most competitive league. I would say the NFC East was. Through the majority of the season every team had legit playoff hopes.

As far as the eagles and luck...well every team that wins gets a little luck. Look at the Pats last year and going 16-0. They def had some luck to finish like that. The Lions had enough bad luck to not win a game. I think the probability of going undefeated is higher than winless. It just seems that someone will give you a win somewhere in the year, via Tony Chokmo fumblin' away the game.

Brady doesn't play DB for them or any of the defensive positions. They inched over the chefs in week one. If you had a dominante Def, you could have just blanked them. Baltimore has won with worse QBs for years, hell they won the SB with a fraction of the weapons that NE has. NE is suppose to be this amazing Def team and I didn't see that this year. Most teams can chuck the rock on them. That is one of the reasons their not playing right now. All brady gave them is more experience, maybe a few more points. IMO, Cassel played about as good as brady would have at the end of the season.

I think they can officially lock this thread down, bc/ w/ the laker/celtics we are way off topic.

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="favre4thewin"]

Would you have been better with Brady? Most likely. How much better? I don't think too much, Cassel played really good (though its an offesnse loaded with talent).

The AFC East has the best records in the NFL, though I don't think it was the most competitive league. I would say the NFC East was. Through the majority of the season every team had legit playoff hopes.

As far as the eagles and luck...well every team that wins gets a little luck. Look at the Pats last year and going 16-0. They def had some luck to finish like that. The Lions had enough bad luck to not win a game. I think the probability of going undefeated is higher than winless. It just seems that someone will give you a win somewhere in the year, via Tony Chokmo fumblin' away the game.

favre4thewin

Brady doesn't play DB for them or any of the defensive positions. They inched over the chefs in week one. If you had a dominante Def, you could have just blanked them. Baltimore has won with worse QBs for years, hell they won the SB with a fraction of the weapons that NE has. NE is suppose to be this amazing Def team and I didn't see that this year. Most teams can chuck the rock on them. That is one of the reasons their not playing right now. All brady gave them is more experience, maybe a few more points. IMO, Cassel played about as good as brady would have at the end of the season.

I think they can officially lock this thread down, bc/ w/ the laker/celtics we are way off topic.

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="BLBxLakers24"] Actually right now I take the Cavs and the Lakers because the Celtics supporting players are horibleeeeeeeeee!!BLBxLakers24

[QUOTE="favre4thewin"]

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"] I'm not saying it's an excuse. Stop acting like Brady was meaningless to the team. He broke records last year and led our team to be undefeated in the regular season. Miami had a great turnaround and beat us early on. Why should the patriots be embarassed? We were apart of the most competitive division in the AFC. CleanPlayer

Would you have been better with Brady? Most likely. How much better? I don't think too much, Cassel played really good (though its an offesnse loaded with talent).

The AFC East has the best records in the NFL, though I don't think it was the most competitive league. I would say the NFC East was. Through the majority of the season every team had legit playoff hopes.

As far as the eagles and luck...well every team that wins gets a little luck. Look at the Pats last year and going 16-0. They def had some luck to finish like that. The Lions had enough bad luck to not win a game. I think the probability of going undefeated is higher than winless. It just seems that someone will give you a win somewhere in the year, via Tony Chokmo fumblin' away the game.

The Eagles had to win almost every game after Baltimore and have teams lost games. And your fine with them making the playoffs

but the Chargers who had to win what 4 games in a row and have the Broncos lost 4 games in a row and fight just as hard as the Eagles did you have a problem with it?

YOu make no sense and you contradicted your self once again!!!!!1

[QUOTE="BLBxLakers24"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"] Yea but their starting 5 is the best in the league. Big Baby is still a beast. CleanPlayer

Once about the Chargers losing to the Bill and being no better then a 7-9 team, but the Pats lost to the Chargers which wouldnt make them no better then a 8-8 team.

And you not having a problem with the Eagles making it but a problem with the Chargers making it.

You fail once again.

[QUOTE="favre4thewin"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"] Wow, you know it took weeks for Cassel to adjust in the QB position. He hasn't started a game since highschool. I'd bet if the Patriots had Brady for the whole season, Patriots would've put up more points on the board. Patriots's luck came to them from the Ravens game, other than that they played great. I'm happy the Eagles destroyed the Cowboys, I don't have anything against the Eagles. They fough hard, besides the tie against Cincy. :DCleanPlayer

Brady doesn't play DB for them or any of the defensive positions. They inched over the chefs in week one. If you had a dominante Def, you could have just blanked them. Baltimore has won with worse QBs for years, hell they won the SB with a fraction of the weapons that NE has. NE is suppose to be this amazing Def team and I didn't see that this year. Most teams can chuck the rock on them. That is one of the reasons their not playing right now. All brady gave them is more experience, maybe a few more points. IMO, Cassel played about as good as brady would have at the end of the season.

I think they can officially lock this thread down, bc/ w/ the laker/celtics we are way off topic.

I think the Off will be a little better when Brady comes back, assuming he recovers fully. As far as the Def is concerned, unless they bring in some fresh blood through FA or the draft they will be just as bad, if not worse. Don't get me wrong, Mayo is a stud, I said that last april, but Behlicheck has squeezed just about everything from Seau and Vrabel. There d-line is still solid, though Seymore is usually the only one I see get pressure on a consistent basis. They could use some help in the 2ndary, in a big way. You can really see the difference when they didn't have Samuel, Gay and Wilson. Enjoy the W's while they last, even the great run the Steelers and Niners had came to an end.

So the colts are no better then a 9-8 now??

Chargers proved you wrong.

Last year, the Golden State Warriors were the best team in NBA HISTORY not to make the playoffs. How do you think we Warriors fans felt? Anyways, be happy that the Patriots did as well as they did this year, and hope for another playoff run next year with Tom Brady back.thequietguy

well first off I will state I am and always will be a die hard Jets fan. They should have done better this year but Farve just did not live up to his reputation which is understandable due to the fact that the Jets offense is COMPLETELY opposite than the Packers but with this being fair or not, its very fair. You can't win in your division, you don't get through to the playoffs, plain and simple. Jets did decent in their division, but they couldnt win outside the division on games they should have one (seahawks, 49ers, etc) which would have put them in the playoffs over the dolphins if they did. And earlier their was a thread about the Pats beating the Jets 60-0, unlikely. The Pats are good but the Jets will have CLemens next year in my opinion as QB and he is pretty good. Do I expect him to start off as strong as Ryan, Brady, or even Cassell, not at all, but I do not forsee the Pats killing the Jets in any sense, beating them, maybe, not killing them. soundmanager216

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="BLBxLakers24"] Lmao you dont watch basketball!! Big Baby is soft!! And Perkins is nothing, see how good he did against Bynum lmao.. Rondo isnt consistant at all.BLBxLakers24

Once about the Chargers losing to the Bill and being no better then a 7-9 team, but the Pats lost to the Chargers which wouldnt make them no better then a 8-8 team.

And you not having a problem with the Eagles making it but a problem with the Chargers making it.

You fail once again.

[QUOTE="soundmanager216"]well first off I will state I am and always will be a die hard Jets fan. They should have done better this year but Farve just did not live up to his reputation which is understandable due to the fact that the Jets offense is COMPLETELY opposite than the Packers but with this being fair or not, its very fair. You can't win in your division, you don't get through to the playoffs, plain and simple. Jets did decent in their division, but they couldnt win outside the division on games they should have one (seahawks, 49ers, etc) which would have put them in the playoffs over the dolphins if they did. And earlier their was a thread about the Pats beating the Jets 60-0, unlikely. The Pats are good but the Jets will have CLemens next year in my opinion as QB and he is pretty good. Do I expect him to start off as strong as Ryan, Brady, or even Cassell, not at all, but I do not forsee the Pats killing the Jets in any sense, beating them, maybe, not killing them. CleanPlayer

Why would the pats have put up a better fight vs the Ravens? Their defense isn't better than the phins. Dude, just let it go. The pats are not going to magically gain enterance to the playoffs this year. Look at the WC slot, the colts had 1 more win and a win vs the Pats to claim the 5th seed and the Ravens equalled the win total and did better in the conference to top the Pats. The Ravens and the Pats played the Dolphins 2x this year. The ravens went 2-0 and the Pats went 1-1. The ravens are still playing football right now, so obviously putting them in the playoffs was the right call.

This happened to the Chargers a few years ago. It's not like the Patriots were going to win the SB, and this way they get better draft position too. Renegade_Fury

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="soundmanager216"]well first off I will state I am and always will be a die hard Jets fan. They should have done better this year but Farve just did not live up to his reputation which is understandable due to the fact that the Jets offense is COMPLETELY opposite than the Packers but with this being fair or not, its very fair. You can't win in your division, you don't get through to the playoffs, plain and simple. Jets did decent in their division, but they couldnt win outside the division on games they should have one (seahawks, 49ers, etc) which would have put them in the playoffs over the dolphins if they did. And earlier their was a thread about the Pats beating the Jets 60-0, unlikely. The Pats are good but the Jets will have CLemens next year in my opinion as QB and he is pretty good. Do I expect him to start off as strong as Ryan, Brady, or even Cassell, not at all, but I do not forsee the Pats killing the Jets in any sense, beating them, maybe, not killing them. favre4thewin

Why would the pats have put up a better fight vs the Ravens? Their defense isn't better than the phins. Dude, just let it go. The pats are not going to magically gain enterance to the playoffs this year. Look at the WC slot, the colts had 1 more win and a win vs the Pats to claim the 5th seed and the Ravens equalled the win total and did better in the conference to top the Pats. The Ravens and the Pats played the Dolphins 2x this year. The ravens went 2-0 and the Pats went 1-1. The ravens are still playing football right now, so obviously putting them in the playoffs was the right call.

Keep telling yourself that. When it comes to the end of the day, the Celtics are still better than the Lakers. Lakers are a talented team but did they beat the Celtics in the Finals? No, they got beat and embarassed on their own court and lost. There's no point in arguing with you anymore, I've already proven my facts and you haven't showed me nothing other than your opinion. I'm done. CleanPlayer

Once about the Chargers losing to the Bill and being no better then a 7-9 team, but the Pats lost to the Chargers which wouldnt make them no better then a 8-8 team.

And you not having a problem with the Eagles making it but a problem with the Chargers making it.

You fail once again.

"Why does the list of nonplayoff teams with at least 10 wins from the current era have a chance of doubling in one season? Three reasons: the NFC West and its 9-29 interdivisional record, the AFC West and its 10-28 interdivisional record and the Detroit Lions and their 0-10 interdivisional record. That's a combined .221 winning percentage among the have-nots padding the records of the haves. (If New England does fail to make it to the after-party with an 11-5 record, the Pats' claim as best nonplayoff team of the modern era will be mitigated by the fact that they have been a .500 team when not playing the NFC West (against which their record is 4-0) and AFC West (3-1).

Let's hope nobody uses this glut of high-win also-rans as a reason to contemplate expanding the playoffs to be more inclusive. One thing we can almost guarantee: Things will return to normal next season."

Jim Baker

Also shows some other 10 win plus teams, including the 11-1-2 Baltimore colts. Got to suck to tie the eventually champs during the season and only win one game and still not make the playoffs. I don't think the pats fans have much to complain about anymore.

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="BLBxLakers24"] actually you contradicted your self 2 times in this arguement

Once about the Chargers losing to the Bill and being no better then a 7-9 team, but the Pats lost to the Chargers which wouldnt make them no better then a 8-8 team.

And you not having a problem with the Eagles making it but a problem with the Chargers making it.

You fail once again.

thequietguy