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He is a whiny baby, but I definitely don't think he quit. It's easy for a bunch of guys sitting on a couch in their heated home with a slice of pizza next to them to pass judgment on some guy who is playing one of the most physical sports in 9 degree weather. But we have no idea what happened to him, whether it was his choice to come out, we know nothing.
monkeytoes61
well said
It's amazing how many people are suddenly licensed physicians willing to give their assessment on Cutlers injury.
He wasn't out there with his men. That's what matters. Win, lose or draw, if you are able to stand in a playoff game you play. That's the reason I have no respect for L.T[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"]
Honestly whats the big deal? Its not like Cutler was going to win anyways the way he was playing. The dude is inconsistent, Bears are better off getting rid of him.
theone86
I would think having your own coach trolled for an entire night would be reason enough to not do the same thing to other teams' coaches/players. Oh well, shows what I get for sticking up for an Eagles' fan.
My tiny Eagle-Fanboy brain no understand what happened? Use smaller words, words like "reason" and "get" are far too big for my bird brain.[QUOTE="theone86"][QUOTE="TheGrat1"]I said this in the Packers/Bears thread: Even if he seriously injured his knee or it was'nt his call to be pulled from the game, what is stopping him from helping Hanie out with the photos on the sideline? That's the real problem, even if he really tore something, why did he look so disinterested and, honestly, "pouty" on the sidelines? Real leaders don't do that. Real leaders come out of the locker room on crutches (because that's what it would take to keep them out of the game) and do thier best to fire their team up. They help out the inexperienced guy thats just been shoved into the NFC Championship game because they wan't the TEAM to win. After Cutler got pulled, he looked like he wanted to be somewhere else, simply because he was'nt involved anymore. Chutebox
That's assuming that Cutler had any advice to give to Hanie, this guy's not green when it comes to studying. Sure, he hasn't played a lot, but he's been around enough to know a few things about the game, and from what I hear they have to keep every QB up to speed on Martz's offense, so if he wasn't prepared before the game then nothing Cutler says is going to help him after. As to the crutches thing, you can walk without pain and still be at risk of serious injury, in fact I believe Cutler was trying to walk the injury off for a long time. It's ridiculous to say that someone's weak because they didn't take an action which could potentially end their career. Besides, it's not like it's Cutler's choice, they have an entire medical staff that has a say in this sort of thing and Lovie has the final word on if he goes back in. I'm sure there was somewhere Cutler would have liked to be other than the sideline, under center taking snaps, but that's not his call.
They showed Cutler trying to peddle on a bke and he couldn't even do that. The dude was hurt but all the insiders here and on their computers will still argue. Lovie Smith is not stupid enough to think that Todd Collins or Caleb Hanie give them a better chance to win than a hobbled Jay Cutler. It's win or go home, there's no reason for him to sit out. It's not like he has to worry about the rest of the season. Cutler was standing up on the sidelines, he was walking around. Like the players were saying, if you've got a serious knee injury that's going to keep you out of the game, you're not going to be standing up the sidelines and walking around. He did get injured, that's not the issue. But you pay your quarterback to win games for you. Did you see how hard their defense was playing? What's that say about Cutler? If he really wanted to play, he could've. Lovie Smith wouldn't have stopped him from coming back in. That's what franchise QBs do for you. But he gave up. He saw the scoreboard, he saw that he couldn't put any points up, and he gave up before the game was over. And Cutler did not tear his muscle. You know Phillip Rivers played through a ligament tear a couple of years ago. He's fine now. He wasn't worried about injuring himself for the rest of his career. He was worried about winning games and fighting with his teammates. I think it's laughable that people used to say Jay Cutler vs. Phillips Rivers was a great QB rivalry. Rivers has proven that he's elite, he's tough and he plays his hardest out there. Cutler shouldn't even be mentioned with him. I mean, damn, QBs get hurt all the time in the playoffs. Did you see Brett Favre's ankle after the Saints game? His ankle was straight busted up. He was getting hit all game long and he's 40 freakin' years old. But he went out there and he played through it because that's what a champion does. I wouldn't want a quitter on my team. Let alone a guy who wasn't that great in the first place. At least he could've shown some grit and some toughness and went out there and played.
I loved the Knee-Gate in Chicago comment by Armstrong.:lol: Too funny.
This thread should be locked. Better yet, this thread is pointless. Dont be calling ANY football player a quitter if you dont have an IDEA what it takes to play football. Knowing that he got sacked 50+ times this year, 100+ times that he got hit when he dropped back to pass...why would he quit during the playoffs? Having a bad knee is not easy to play with. And if the medical staff said he cant go in, then what can he do? Its out of his hands. How about all you young bucks who believe he did quit stop for a second and educate yourself with who Jay really is by reading this...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/In-defense-of-Jay-Cutler?urn=nfl-311619
Cutler got crushed on the M Jones Drew Twitter yesterday. MJD- "All I'm saying is that he can finish the game on a hurt knee... I played the whole season on one..." Random tweets- "I think the urban meyer rule is effect right now... When the going gets tough........QUIT.." " Cutlers injury - BRUISED EGO"ohjtbehaaave
Urlacher said "it's easy to talk [expletive] about someone when you're sitting on your couch watching their game". For a running back who's team didnt make the playoff...he has a lot of balls talking smack.
I didn't know you were in the chicago bears medical staff to outright say "He did not tear his muscle". I love how many people all of a sudden 'manned up' and got their medical degrees overnight...
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="theone86"]They showed Cutler trying to peddle on a bke and he couldn't even do that. The dude was hurt but all the insiders here and on their computers will still argue. Lovie Smith is not stupid enough to think that Todd Collins or Caleb Hanie give them a better chance to win than a hobbled Jay Cutler. It's win or go home, there's no reason for him to sit out. It's not like he has to worry about the rest of the season. Cutler was standing up on the sidelines, he was walking around. Like the players were saying, if you've got a serious knee injury that's going to keep you out of the game, you're not going to be standing up the sidelines and walking around. He did get injured, that's not the issue. But you pay your quarterback to win games for you. Did you see how hard their defense was playing? What's that say about Cutler? If he really wanted to play, he could've. Lovie Smith wouldn't have stopped him from coming back in. That's what franchise QBs do for you. But he gave up. He saw the scoreboard, he saw that he couldn't put any points up, and he gave up before the game was over. And Cutler did not tear his muscle. You know Phillip Rivers played through a ligament tear a couple of years ago. He's fine now. He wasn't worried about injuring himself for the rest of his career. He was worried about winning games and fighting with his teammates. I think it's laughable that people used to say Jay Cutler vs. Phillips Rivers was a great QB rivalry. Rivers has proven that he's elite, he's tough and he plays his hardest out there. Cutler shouldn't even be mentioned with him. I mean, damn, QBs get hurt all the time in the playoffs. Did you see Brett Favre's ankle after the Saints game? His ankle was straight busted up. He was getting hit all game long and he's 40 freakin' years old. But he went out there and he played through it because that's what a champion does. I wouldn't want a quitter on my team. Let alone a guy who wasn't that great in the first place. At least he could've shown some grit and some toughness and went out there and played.That's assuming that Cutler had any advice to give to Hanie, this guy's not green when it comes to studying. Sure, he hasn't played a lot, but he's been around enough to know a few things about the game, and from what I hear they have to keep every QB up to speed on Martz's offense, so if he wasn't prepared before the game then nothing Cutler says is going to help him after. As to the crutches thing, you can walk without pain and still be at risk of serious injury, in fact I believe Cutler was trying to walk the injury off for a long time. It's ridiculous to say that someone's weak because they didn't take an action which could potentially end their career. Besides, it's not like it's Cutler's choice, they have an entire medical staff that has a say in this sort of thing and Lovie has the final word on if he goes back in. I'm sure there was somewhere Cutler would have liked to be other than the sideline, under center taking snaps, but that's not his call.
frostybanana
Educating yourself by reading a opinionated editorial? Yeah, good luck with that. How do you know that we don't have any idea what it's like to play football? I played football for a number of years and while I'd never say I'm good enough to make in the NFL, I also know what it means to be on a team. And so do the actual NFL players who are calling him out. It's not just fans, it's players too, so why don't you go tell them they don't know what it's like to play through an injury? This isn't about a season, this is about one game. The most important game of Cutler's career. Even Matt Stafford played through a SEPARATED shoulder and won a game for his team. Who cares what kind of beating he took during the season. That's irrelevant because the injury wasn't severe enough to keep him from walking up and down the sideline. Why would he quit during the playoffs? Because he had no confidence in himself after playing like crap the entire game. That being said, all of this pretty much irrelevant. Cutler had an MCL tear, contrary to what I thought he had. So you can go that route and say he tore his ligament and couldn't finish the game. But he's going to be criticized for it because he's a so-called "franchise" quarterback and he's getting paid like one too. With such an unimpressive regular season, you'd expect him to bring his A game during the playoffs.This thread should be locked. Better yet, this thread is pointless. Dont be calling ANY football player a quitter if you dont have an IDEA what it takes to play football. Knowing that he got sacked 50+ times this year, 100+ times that he got hit when he dropped back to pass...why would he quit during the playoffs? Having a bad knee is not easy to play with. And if the medical staff said he cant go in, then what can he do? Its out of his hands. How about all you young bucks who believe he did quit stop for a second and educate yourself with who Jay really is by reading this...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/In-defense-of-Jay-Cutler?urn=nfl-311619
RaccoonChump
Lovie Smith is not stupid enough to think that Todd Collins or Caleb Hanie give them a better chance to win than a hobbled Jay Cutler. It's win or go home, there's no reason for him to sit out. It's not like he has to worry about the rest of the season. Cutler was standing up on the sidelines, he was walking around. Like the players were saying, if you've got a serious knee injury that's going to keep you out of the game, you're not going to be standing up the sidelines and walking around. He did get injured, that's not the issue. But you pay your quarterback to win games for you. Did you see how hard their defense was playing? What's that say about Cutler? If he really wanted to play, he could've. Lovie Smith wouldn't have stopped him from coming back in. That's what franchise QBs do for you. But he gave up. He saw the scoreboard, he saw that he couldn't put any points up, and he gave up before the game was over. And Cutler did not tear his muscle. You know Phillip Rivers played through a ligament tear a couple of years ago. He's fine now. He wasn't worried about injuring himself for the rest of his career. He was worried about winning games and fighting with his teammates. I think it's laughable that people used to say Jay Cutler vs. Phillips Rivers was a great QB rivalry. Rivers has proven that he's elite, he's tough and he plays his hardest out there. Cutler shouldn't even be mentioned with him. I mean, damn, QBs get hurt all the time in the playoffs. Did you see Brett Favre's ankle after the Saints game? His ankle was straight busted up. He was getting hit all game long and he's 40 freakin' years old. But he went out there and he played through it because that's what a champion does. I wouldn't want a quitter on my team. Let alone a guy who wasn't that great in the first place. At least he could've shown some grit and some toughness and went out there and played. I've torn ligaments in my knee before. I couldn't stand or walk for quite awhile. I think it was reasonable to assume that he didn't tear anything, though I understand that he did. Still wasn't enough to keep him off the sideline though, was it.I didn't know you were in the chicago bears medical staff to outright say "He did not tear his muscle". I love how many people all of a sudden 'manned up' and got their medical degrees overnight...
[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] They showed Cutler trying to peddle on a bke and he couldn't even do that. The dude was hurt but all the insiders here and on their computers will still argue.feryl06
If there are still people out there who think Cutler's a quitter because he didn't play with a torn MCL they must have some personal vendetta against Jay Cutler and/or are really stubborn.
I'll still blame Cutler for being really inaccurate in the first half yesterday (even before the injury I'm assuming) but I can't question his toughness. Like I heard someone say on the radio today, he took tons of abuse all year behind that terrible offensive line and every time he got hit he'd just pop right back up. He's not a wimp.
Conflicting reports in that regard though. The Bears are saying it's an MCL sprain and not an actual tear.If there are still people out there who think Cutler's a quitter because he didn't play with a torn MCL they must have some personal vendetta against Jay Cutler and/or are really stubborn.
I'll still blame Cutler for being really inaccurate in the first half yesterday (even before the injury I'm assuming) but I can't question his toughness. Like I heard someone say on the radio today, he took tons of abuse all year behind that terrible offensive line and every time he got hit he'd just pop right back up. He's not a wimp.
JML897
[QUOTE="JML897"]Conflicting reports in that regard though. The Bears are saying it's an MCL sprain and not an actual tear.If there are still people out there who think Cutler's a quitter because he didn't play with a torn MCL they must have some personal vendetta against Jay Cutler and/or are really stubborn.
I'll still blame Cutler for being really inaccurate in the first half yesterday (even before the injury I'm assuming) but I can't question his toughness. Like I heard someone say on the radio today, he took tons of abuse all year behind that terrible offensive line and every time he got hit he'd just pop right back up. He's not a wimp.
frostybanana
An MCL sprain is a tear.
Conflicting reports in that regard though. The Bears are saying it's an MCL sprain and not an actual tear.[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="JML897"]
If there are still people out there who think Cutler's a quitter because he didn't play with a torn MCL they must have some personal vendetta against Jay Cutler and/or are really stubborn.
I'll still blame Cutler for being really inaccurate in the first half yesterday (even before the injury I'm assuming) but I can't question his toughness. Like I heard someone say on the radio today, he took tons of abuse all year behind that terrible offensive line and every time he got hit he'd just pop right back up. He's not a wimp.
JML897
An MCL sprain is a tear.
of course the bears are going to say a sprain they probably do not know the full extent of the mri yet anyways. we as fans sit back and criticize but have no right were not jay cutler or any other nfl player going out and playing getting hit and so on and so forth.Conflicting reports in that regard though. The Bears are saying it's an MCL sprain and not an actual tear.[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="JML897"]
If there are still people out there who think Cutler's a quitter because he didn't play with a torn MCL they must have some personal vendetta against Jay Cutler and/or are really stubborn.
I'll still blame Cutler for being really inaccurate in the first half yesterday (even before the injury I'm assuming) but I can't question his toughness. Like I heard someone say on the radio today, he took tons of abuse all year behind that terrible offensive line and every time he got hit he'd just pop right back up. He's not a wimp.
JML897
An MCL sprain is a tear.
When people describe an MCL injury as a sprain, it usually means it's a first degree sprain, which means there are damaged ligaments but no significant tear. An MCL tear implies that the MCL was completely torn and in no longer in tact.
Yeah I agree I mean come on he was only sacked 52 times this year including a game where he was sacked 9 times I'm sure a knee injury shouldn't have affected him that much.flowersjf
Exactly what i was going to say
I'm going to reserve my judgement until we actually find out what was wrong with him (I think it was a torn MCL but I haven't looked into it today). But, he took an ass whooping all year so I don't question his toughness. I didn't really expect us to win this game but I don't think it's all his fault. There were a bunch of questionable play calls by our coaching staff be it Lovie or Martz and the officiating was terrible (I know, thats what the losers always say, but it really was). On the bright side though, howz bout that Caleb Haine?
[QUOTE="RaccoonChump"]Educating yourself by reading a opinionated editorial? Yeah, good luck with that. How do you know that we don't have any idea what it's like to play football? I played football for a number of years and while I'd never say I'm good enough to make in the NFL, I also know what it means to be on a team. And so do the actual NFL players who are calling him out. It's not just fans, it's players too, so why don't you go tell them they don't know what it's like to play through an injury? This isn't about a season, this is about one game. The most important game of Cutler's career. Even Matt Stafford played through a SEPARATED shoulder and won a game for his team. Who cares what kind of beating he took during the season. That's irrelevant because the injury wasn't severe enough to keep him from walking up and down the sideline. Why would he quit during the playoffs? Because he had no confidence in himself after playing like crap the entire game. That being said, all of this pretty much irrelevant. Cutler had an MCL tear, contrary to what I thought he had. So you can go that route and say he tore his ligament and couldn't finish the game. But he's going to be criticized for it because he's a so-called "franchise" quarterback and he's getting paid like one too. With such an unimpressive regular season, you'd expect him to bring his A game during the playoffs.This thread should be locked. Better yet, this thread is pointless. Dont be calling ANY football player a quitter if you dont have an IDEA what it takes to play football. Knowing that he got sacked 50+ times this year, 100+ times that he got hit when he dropped back to pass...why would he quit during the playoffs? Having a bad knee is not easy to play with. And if the medical staff said he cant go in, then what can he do? Its out of his hands. How about all you young bucks who believe he did quit stop for a second and educate yourself with who Jay really is by reading this...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/In-defense-of-Jay-Cutler?urn=nfl-311619
frostybanana
O this is gonna be so much fun! In life, there is this saying that everyone handles adversity differently. Maybe your not too familiar with that but check that out. It seems like your expectations in life are just thru the roof. So allow me to bring that back down. Now understand that NOT everyone is like Michael Jordan who played Game 5 with the flu and came thru when it mattered the most. Again understand that not EVERYONE is like that. So lower your expectations from Jay Culter. He aint God so dont expect amazing things from him. People dont always shine in the playoffs...maybe you would know something about that.
And how intelligent to put one game over the previous 16 games he played this season. Really, you wanna go that route? Do you remember when Culter threw 4 picks to Hall and said the very next day that he would still threw to him? Remember that? Wouldnt you need some balls to say that? I would say so! What does that say about his confidence? It says a lot! And if you dont believe so then homie...cmon, do I really need to get into that? I hope not.
In this world that we live in, there is always someone with a higher authority. If...and I say the word IF...you read about the fact that the doctors TOLD the coach that he shouldn't put Jay back in the game...then you would ease up off Culter.IT WAS THE COACH'S DECISION TO NOT PUT HIM BACK IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Not once has any one reported that Jay said out loud 'Naw I dont want to go back in'. Cmon bro...you don't think Jay didn't want to win that game? You don't think he didn't want that ring as bad as any Bear player or fan? For crying out loud Rogers has bragging rights over him. You don't think that doesn't bother him? Once Jay knew he wasn't going back in, he dealt with adversity as he saw fit. Yes he was upset, yes he was depressed so get off it dude. Don't be calling him a quitter because I bet a billion dollars you wouldn't like anybody calling YOU a quitter! And he got sacked 9 times against the Giants. How in the hell is he NOT tough?!?!
I could careless what other players in the league had to say about him. You have players WHO ARE NOT EVEN IN THE PLAYOFFS calling him out?! Are you serious? They should focus on their issues to WHY they didnt even get a chance to play in the conference championship game than worry about someone else who does have a shot to go to the Super Bowl. Its so much easier to talk smack when you are not in that person shoes...and thats a freaking fact!
And um since you brought up Stafford, can you guess who has been on the injury list more often? I wonder who takes care of their body more often...hmmm...thats a good question. Stafford aint all that if he is spending a good amount of time on the sideline. This was too easy. But by all means, I would love to hear your rebuttal...
Educating yourself by reading a opinionated editorial? Yeah, good luck with that. How do you know that we don't have any idea what it's like to play football? I played football for a number of years and while I'd never say I'm good enough to make in the NFL, I also know what it means to be on a team. And so do the actual NFL players who are calling him out. It's not just fans, it's players too, so why don't you go tell them they don't know what it's like to play through an injury? This isn't about a season, this is about one game. The most important game of Cutler's career. Even Matt Stafford played through a SEPARATED shoulder and won a game for his team. Who cares what kind of beating he took during the season. That's irrelevant because the injury wasn't severe enough to keep him from walking up and down the sideline. Why would he quit during the playoffs? Because he had no confidence in himself after playing like crap the entire game. That being said, all of this pretty much irrelevant. Cutler had an MCL tear, contrary to what I thought he had. So you can go that route and say he tore his ligament and couldn't finish the game. But he's going to be criticized for it because he's a so-called "franchise" quarterback and he's getting paid like one too. With such an unimpressive regular season, you'd expect him to bring his A game during the playoffs.[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="RaccoonChump"]
This thread should be locked. Better yet, this thread is pointless. Dont be calling ANY football player a quitter if you dont have an IDEA what it takes to play football. Knowing that he got sacked 50+ times this year, 100+ times that he got hit when he dropped back to pass...why would he quit during the playoffs? Having a bad knee is not easy to play with. And if the medical staff said he cant go in, then what can he do? Its out of his hands. How about all you young bucks who believe he did quit stop for a second and educate yourself with who Jay really is by reading this...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/In-defense-of-Jay-Cutler?urn=nfl-311619
RaccoonChump
O this is gonna be so much fun! In life, there is this saying that everyone handles adversity differently. Maybe your not too familiar with that but check that out. It seems like your expectations in life are just thru the roof. So allow me to bring that back down. Now understand that NOT everyone is like Michael Jordan who played Game 5 with the flu and came thru when it mattered the most. Again understand that not EVERYONE is like that. So lower your expectations from Jay Culter. He aint God so dont expect amazing things from him. People dont always shine in the playoffs...maybe you would know something about that.
And how intelligent to put one game over the previous 16 games he played this season. Really, you wanna go that route? Do you remember when Culter threw 4 picks to Hall and said the very next day that he would still threw to him? Remember that? Wouldnt you need some balls to say that? I would say so! What does that say about his confidence? It says a lot! And if you dont believe so then homie...cmon, do I really need to get into that? I hope not.
In this world that we live in, there is always someone with a higher authority. If...and I say the word IF...you read about the fact that the doctors TOLD the coach that he shouldn't put Jay back in the game...then you would ease up off Culter.IT WAS THE COACH'S DECISION TO NOT PUT HIM BACK IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Not once has any one reported that Jay said out loud 'Naw I dont want to go back in'. Cmon bro...you don't think Jay didn't want to win that game? You don't think he didn't want that ring as bad as any Bear player or fan? For crying out loud Rogers has bragging rights over him. You don't think that doesn't bother him? Once Jay knew he wasn't going back in, he dealt with adversity as he saw fit. Yes he was upset, yes he was depressed so get off it dude. Don't be calling him a quitter because I bet a billion dollars you wouldn't like anybody calling YOU a quitter! And he got sacked 9 times against the Giants. How in the hell is he NOT tough?!?!
I could careless what other players in the league had to say about him. You have players WHO ARE NOT EVEN IN THE PLAYOFFS calling him out?! Are you serious? They should focus on their issues to WHY they didnt even get a chance to play in the conference championship game than worry about someone else who does have a shot to go to the Super Bowl. Its so much easier to talk smack when you are not in that person shoes...and thats a freaking fact!
And um since you brought up Stafford, can you guess who has been on the injury list more often? I wonder who takes care of their body more often...hmmm...thats a good question. Stafford aint all that if he is spending a good amount of time on the sideline. This was too easy. But by all means, I would love to hear your rebuttal...
I like the points you bring up, and as someone who has watched every game Cutler has played in Chicago I can say his toughness is not in question. I remember the minute I fully bought into Cutler asa Bears' quarterback, it was a game his first year here against Detroit where he tucked the ball and ran for a touchdown. The Detroit defenders caught on and looked like they were going to be able to cut him off, but Cutler takes a head-first dive into the endzone. One of the Detroit players then hits him in mid-air, he helicopters, lands gut-first, and pops right up and starts celebrating. This guy is tough, and anyone saying he isn't obviously hasn't watched him play. You can question his decision-making, but his toughness? No way.
O this is gonna be so much fun! In life, there is this saying that everyone handles adversity differently. Maybe your not too familiar with that but check that out. It seems like your expectations in life are just thru the roof. So allow me to bring that back down. Now understand that NOT everyone is like Michael Jordan who played Game 5 with the flu and came thru when it mattered the most. Again understand that not EVERYONE is like that. So lower your expectations from Jay Culter. He aint God so dont expect amazing things from him. People dont always shine in the playoffs...maybe you would know something about that.And how intelligent to put one game over the previous 16 games he played this season. Really, you wanna go that route? Do you remember when Culter threw 4 picks to Hall and said the very next day that he would still threw to him? Remember that? Wouldnt you need some balls to say that? I would say so! What does that say about his confidence? It says a lot! And if you dont believe so then homie...cmon, do I really need to get into that? I hope not.
In this world that we live in, there is always someone with a higher authority. If...and I say the word IF...you read about the fact that the doctors TOLD the coach that he shouldn't put Jay back in the game...then you would ease up off Culter.IT WAS THE COACH'S DECISION TO NOT PUT HIM BACK IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Not once has any one reported that Jay said out loud 'Naw I dont want to go back in'. Cmon bro...you don't think Jay didn't want to win that game? You don't think he didn't want that ring as bad as any Bear player or fan? For crying out loud Rogers has bragging rights over him. You don't think that doesn't bother him? Once Jay knew he wasn't going back in, he dealt with adversity as he saw fit. Yes he was upset, yes he was depressed so get off it dude. Don't be calling him a quitter because I bet a billion dollars you wouldn't like anybody calling YOU a quitter! And he got sacked 9 times against the Giants. How in the hell is he NOT tough?!?!
I could careless what other players in the league had to say about him. You have players WHO ARE NOT EVEN IN THE PLAYOFFS calling him out?! Are you serious? They should focus on their issues to WHY they didnt even get a chance to play in the conference championship game than worry about someone else who does have a shot to go to the Super Bowl. Its so much easier to talk smack when you are not in that person shoes...and thats a freaking fact!
And um since you brought up Stafford, can you guess who has been on the injury list more often? I wonder who takes care of their body more often...hmmm...thats a good question. Stafford aint all that if he is spending a good amount of time on the sideline. This was too easy. But by all means, I would love to hear your rebuttal...
RaccoonChump
What was too easy? That was nothing but an incessant ramble, not an argument. You didn't counter any points, you brought up a bunch of irrelevant nonsense that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. You shouldn't be patting yourself on the back for that.
I won't counter every point you made as a lot of what you said is completely irrelevant, but I'll counter a couple of things that caught my eye. First, you claim I'm putting one game ahead of all his other games. When did I say that? Putting words in my mouth doesn't make your argument stronger. For the record, I think Jay Cutler isn't good in general. He's wildly inconsistent and doesn't play well in tough, clutch games. Even when he was in Denver. Who could forget the meltdown he had during his so-called best season during the last 3 games of the year? I never thought he was a franchise QB, and everything he's doing now just confirms that to me.
Bringing up a game in which he threw 4 interceptions to one player strengthen your argument how? Because he was confident about throwing to him afterwards? I have a newsflash for you, Cutler as ALWAYS been that way. In fact, it's more a show of arrogance than it is of confidence.
And I just want to reiterate how that has absolutely zero, absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying.
As for your point about Lovie Smith's decision not to put him in, QBs hear that all the time. Just to bring back that Stafford example, the medical staff wanted him to get off the field. The coach wanted him to get off the field. But he didn't. That's how much he wanted it. So I couldn't care less about what garbage they're reporting to defend Cutler.
Next, you and many other people claim that getting sacked is a sign of toughness. In what world is that true? Getting sacked is an indication of a poor offense line and/or holding the ball too long. Nothing more and nothing less. David Carr got sacked 158 times over 3 seasons, 68 in 2005. That doesn't mean he's tough, that means his offensive line was terrible for 3 years. Don't shove sack numbers in my face and expect me to think Cutler is tough because he takes hits. Everyone takes hits and people have gotten hit a lot more than Cutler has before. You know part of the reason Carr lost his job is because he got sacked too much. That's not a statistic that you bring up to DEFEND a player :roll:
Now, your point about the players is ridiculous because those guys are the ones who are getting hurt every year and they know best about sports injuries. Making the conference championships is completely irrelevant in that situation. What does that have to do with anything? Football is a TEAM sport. Your team makes the championship game, not ONE person. And furthermore, if you think that Cutler and the 30th ranked offense in the NFL is the reason that the Bears made the NFC Championship game, you are sadly mistaken. I just wanted to see more from a guy who is supposed to be a franchise QB.
I hate Matt Stafford. I didn't bring him up because I like him. I hate him, I think he's grossly overrated and that Josh Freeman is clearly the best QB in that draft. But I won't question his drive to win because of how he played through the shoulder separation.
Last thing I want to say is that you're claiming that I'm putting too high of expectations of Cutler. And I think you're right. Cutler doesn't have the heart of a champion and I expected a guy like him to give it everything he had and leave it all on the field. Cutler isn't a guy who will put up great numbers. So we can't say he'll ever be as efficient as Brady or Manning. But he wants to be known as that guy who'll give it his all to win the game like Roethlisberger or Rivers. And no, you won't always win but that's what a champion does.
So from now on, I won't put any expectations on Cutler. He is not an elite QB and he never will be. That's the mentality I have to have in order to not be critical of Cutler. So that's what I'll do and I advise everyone else to do the same. What you saw was just another average QB who proved he doesn't have what it takes to win the big ones. Besides, Hanie actually gave the Bears a chance. Yeah he threw a couple of picks but he got them within striking distance and actually scored some points. I mean, they almost tied it up, yeesh.
Do you remember when Culter threw 4 picks to Hall and said the very next day that he would still threw to him? Remember that? Wouldnt you need some balls to say that? I would say so! What does that say about his confidence? It says a lot!RaccoonChumpYou would either need a lot of confidence to say that... or have terrible decision making... or maybe it Cutlers case, both.
Uhh, yeah, what's he supposed to say? Any coach with half of brain would do the same.Smith said again that he was the one who pulled Cutler. So everyone acting like a doctor can now stop talking about things they literally have no clue about.
Chutebox
[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Uhh, yeah, what's he supposed to say? Any coach with half of brain would do the same. Ya, with team physicians everywhere he has to say that! God, the internet is a joke and a breeding ground for ignorance.Smith said again that he was the one who pulled Cutler. So everyone acting like a doctor can now stop talking about things they literally have no clue about.
frostybanana
He could of still put a brace on it, and give it a go.
Uhh, yeah, what's he supposed to say? Any coach with half of brain would do the same. Ya, with team physicians everywhere he has to say that! God, the internet is a joke and a breeding ground for ignorance. Apparently it is :roll:. You've never heard of a coach covering up for a player? That's a little naive. Had he thrown Jay under the bus, he would've looked stupid. No coach will ever throw the face of the franchise under the bus. They're paying him 10 million a year, they traded all of those picks they could've used on a decent o-line for christ's sake, and they've gotten behind this guy and said he's our guy. You're coaching a team and you have a guy who the front office got behind and the fans got behind. Even if it was ALL Cutler's fault, which I never said it was, Lovie wouldn't throw him under the bus. That's not what a coach does and if he did do that, all of the players would lose respect for him.[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]
Smith said again that he was the one who pulled Cutler. So everyone acting like a doctor can now stop talking about things they literally have no clue about.
Chutebox
What was too easy? That was nothing but an incessant ramble, not an argument. You didn't counter any points, you brought up a bunch of irrelevant nonsense that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. You shouldn't be patting yourself on the back for that.
I won't counter every point you made as a lot of what you said is completely irrelevant, but I'll counter a couple of things that caught my eye. First, you claim I'm putting one game ahead of all his other games. When did I say that? Putting words in my mouth doesn't make your argument stronger. For the record, I think Jay Cutler isn't good in general. He's wildly inconsistent and doesn't play well in tough, clutch games. Even when he was in Denver. Who could forget the meltdown he had during his so-called best season during the last 3 games of the year? I never thought he was a franchise QB, and everything he's doing now just confirms that to me.
Bringing up a game in which he threw 4 interceptions to one player strengthen your argument how? Because he was confident about throwing to him afterwards? I have a newsflash for you, Cutler as ALWAYS been that way. In fact, it's more a show of arrogance than it is of confidence.
And I just want to reiterate how that has absolutely zero, absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying.
As for your point about Lovie Smith's decision not to put him in, QBs hear that all the time. Just to bring back that Stafford example, the medical staff wanted him to get off the field. The coach wanted him to get off the field. But he didn't. That's how much he wanted it. So I couldn't care less about what garbage they're reporting to defend Cutler.
Next, you and many other people claim that getting sacked is a sign of toughness. In what world is that true? Getting sacked is an indication of a poor offense line and/or holding the ball too long. Nothing more and nothing less. David Carr got sacked 158 times over 3 seasons, 68 in 2005. That doesn't mean he's tough, that means his offensive line was terrible for 3 years. Don't shove sack numbers in my face and expect me to think Cutler is tough because he takes hits. Everyone takes hits and people have gotten hit a lot more than Cutler has before. You know part of the reason Carr lost his job is because he got sacked too much. That's not a statistic that you bring up to DEFEND a player :roll:
Now, your point about the players is ridiculous because those guys are the ones who are getting hurt every year and they know best about sports injuries. Making the conference championships is completely irrelevant in that situation. What does that have to do with anything? Football is a TEAM sport. Your team makes the championship game, not ONE person. And furthermore, if you think that Cutler and the 30th ranked offense in the NFL is the reason that the Bears made the NFC Championship game, you are sadly mistaken. I just wanted to see more from a guy who is supposed to be a franchise QB.
I hate Matt Stafford. I didn't bring him up because I like him. I hate him, I think he's grossly overrated and that Josh Freeman is clearly the best QB in that draft. But I won't question his drive to win because of how he played through the shoulder separation.
Last thing I want to say is that you're claiming that I'm putting too high of expectations of Cutler. And I think you're right. Cutler doesn't have the heart of a champion and I expected a guy like him to give it everything he had and leave it all on the field. Cutler isn't a guy who will put up great numbers. So we can't say he'll ever be as efficient as Brady or Manning. But he wants to be known as that guy who'll give it his all to win the game like Roethlisberger or Rivers. And no, you won't always win but that's what a champion does.
So from now on, I won't put any expectations on Cutler. He is not an elite QB and he never will be. That's the mentality I have to have in order to not be critical of Cutler. So that's what I'll do and I advise everyone else to do the same. What you saw was just another average QB who proved he doesn't have what it takes to win the big ones. Besides, Hanie actually gave the Bears a chance. Yeah he threw a couple of picks but he got them within striking distance and actually scored some points. I mean, they almost tied it up, yeesh.
frostybanana
You have no idea how easy that was and this is gonna be even easier. There is a difference between argument and incessant ramble. But there is a difference between 'listening' and 'understanding'. I made arguments that were backed up with understandable reasoning to which you took as incessant ramble do to the fact you were 'listening'...not understanding. With me so far? If you cant comprehend then this is pointless. But Im still gonna have fun with this. Nonsense info I was giving you say? Ok...I got you!
1)"First, you claim I'm putting one game ahead of all his other games. When did I say that? Putting words in my mouth doesn't make your argument stronger." Thats what you wrote above but you also said"The most important game of Cutler's career"...you said that...sooooooooooo what are you trying to get at? On Earth, in a language we call English...thats what known as a contradiction. The most important game of Culter's career would mean that yesterday's game is being put ahead of all his other games. Yes he does make bad decisions....the world knows that. NEXT!!!
2)"Bringing up a game in which he threw 4 interceptions to one player strengthen your argument how? Because he was confident about throwing to him afterwards? I have a newsflash for you, Cutler as ALWAYS been that way. In fact, it's more a show of arrogance than it is of confidence."
This one is easy. It shows that he is not afraid to continue to try again and again. It shows that yes he did fail but failure will not stop him until he succeeds. But you most likely wont look at it that way so you are on your own with that one. NEXT!!!
3)"As for your point about Lovie Smith's decision not to put him in, QBs hear that all the time. Just to bring back that Stafford example, the medical staff wanted him to get off the field. The coach wanted him to get off the field. But he didn't. That's how much he wanted it. So I couldn't care less about what garbage they're reporting to defend Cutler."
If you were understanding the points that I made in my previous post, you wouldnt have wrote what you just wrote. Ill ask you, who has the better health? Understand WHY to which QB has the better health. A QB who is hurt a lot doesnt give me a lot to work with. Yes Stafford has a lot of balls but doesnt mean anything to me if he is hurt...NEXT!!!!
4) Interesting that you brought up Carr and even more eye opening is to what you wrote about him losing his job because of sacks. You are wrong. Check back to why he lost his job...it has more to do with his individual play. Your making it seem that getting sacked by a 280lb linemen is like a walk in the park. Why? That takes a toll on the body. That aint easy to get smashed to the ground and get back up and play with full intensity. Not easy dude...not easy at all. Also theres the fact that its in the back of the QB's mind that he might get hit again. That plays a factor. Its called mind games.
5)"Now, your point about the players is ridiculous because those guys are the ones who are getting hurt every year and they know best about sports injuries. Making the conference championships is completely irrelevant in that situation. What does that have to do with anything? Football is a TEAM sport. Your team makes the championship game, not ONE person. And furthermore, if you think that Cutler and the 30th ranked offense in the NFL is the reason that the Bears made the NFC Championship game, you are sadly mistaken. I just wanted to see more from a guy who is supposed to be a franchise QB."
This makes me wanna cuss in the forums but I cant. Unreal dude. How do you see its ok to have players who are not in the playoffs talk smack about those who are in it? Everyone handles adversity differently. Maybe you will cry like a lil girl if your gf broke up with you but maybe I wont. But who am I to judge you? My point is...everyone is different. So understand that. Comprehend that. Face facts that its easy to judge others when we are on the outside looking in. Did it every occur to you that yesterday was Cutler's first knee injury and that he was nervous about it? Cut the guy some slack dude...the guy aint perfect. Yes you are right, a champ never quits but not everyone is a champ dude. Not everyone has the desire like MJ to be #1 all the time. Your seeing it in a tunnel vision. I am voicing out loud that you dont and just see it for what it is...and not what you want it to be. I wanted the Bears to win it...but it didnt work out. And yes Cutler did play a role with the Bears going to the NFC title game but most of the credit does go to the D and special teams. Cutler is better than what a lot of people say about him. He just hasnt shown it yet...
[QUOTE="frostybanana"]
What was too easy? That was nothing but an incessant ramble, not an argument. You didn't counter any points, you brought up a bunch of irrelevant nonsense that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. You shouldn't be patting yourself on the back for that.
I won't counter every point you made as a lot of what you said is completely irrelevant, but I'll counter a couple of things that caught my eye. First, you claim I'm putting one game ahead of all his other games. When did I say that? Putting words in my mouth doesn't make your argument stronger. For the record, I think Jay Cutler isn't good in general. He's wildly inconsistent and doesn't play well in tough, clutch games. Even when he was in Denver. Who could forget the meltdown he had during his so-called best season during the last 3 games of the year? I never thought he was a franchise QB, and everything he's doing now just confirms that to me.
Bringing up a game in which he threw 4 interceptions to one player strengthen your argument how? Because he was confident about throwing to him afterwards? I have a newsflash for you, Cutler as ALWAYS been that way. In fact, it's more a show of arrogance than it is of confidence.
And I just want to reiterate how that has absolutely zero, absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying.
As for your point about Lovie Smith's decision not to put him in, QBs hear that all the time. Just to bring back that Stafford example, the medical staff wanted him to get off the field. The coach wanted him to get off the field. But he didn't. That's how much he wanted it. So I couldn't care less about what garbage they're reporting to defend Cutler.
Next, you and many other people claim that getting sacked is a sign of toughness. In what world is that true? Getting sacked is an indication of a poor offense line and/or holding the ball too long. Nothing more and nothing less. David Carr got sacked 158 times over 3 seasons, 68 in 2005. That doesn't mean he's tough, that means his offensive line was terrible for 3 years. Don't shove sack numbers in my face and expect me to think Cutler is tough because he takes hits. Everyone takes hits and people have gotten hit a lot more than Cutler has before. You know part of the reason Carr lost his job is because he got sacked too much. That's not a statistic that you bring up to DEFEND a player :roll:
Now, your point about the players is ridiculous because those guys are the ones who are getting hurt every year and they know best about sports injuries. Making the conference championships is completely irrelevant in that situation. What does that have to do with anything? Football is a TEAM sport. Your team makes the championship game, not ONE person. And furthermore, if you think that Cutler and the 30th ranked offense in the NFL is the reason that the Bears made the NFC Championship game, you are sadly mistaken. I just wanted to see more from a guy who is supposed to be a franchise QB.
I hate Matt Stafford. I didn't bring him up because I like him. I hate him, I think he's grossly overrated and that Josh Freeman is clearly the best QB in that draft. But I won't question his drive to win because of how he played through the shoulder separation.
Last thing I want to say is that you're claiming that I'm putting too high of expectations of Cutler. And I think you're right. Cutler doesn't have the heart of a champion and I expected a guy like him to give it everything he had and leave it all on the field. Cutler isn't a guy who will put up great numbers. So we can't say he'll ever be as efficient as Brady or Manning. But he wants to be known as that guy who'll give it his all to win the game like Roethlisberger or Rivers. And no, you won't always win but that's what a champion does.
So from now on, I won't put any expectations on Cutler. He is not an elite QB and he never will be. That's the mentality I have to have in order to not be critical of Cutler. So that's what I'll do and I advise everyone else to do the same. What you saw was just another average QB who proved he doesn't have what it takes to win the big ones. Besides, Hanie actually gave the Bears a chance. Yeah he threw a couple of picks but he got them within striking distance and actually scored some points. I mean, they almost tied it up, yeesh.
RaccoonChump
You have no idea how easy that was and this is gonna be even easier. There is a difference between argument and incessant ramble. But there is a difference between 'listening' and 'understanding'. I made arguments that were backed up with understandable reasoning to which you took as incessant ramble do to the fact you were 'listening'...not understanding. With me so far? If you cant comprehend then this is pointless. But Im still gonna have fun with this. Nonsense info I was giving you say? Ok...I got you!
1)"First, you claim I'm putting one game ahead of all his other games. When did I say that? Putting words in my mouth doesn't make your argument stronger." Thats what you wrote above but you also said"The most important game of Cutler's career"...you said that...sooooooooooo what are you trying to get at? On Earth, in a language we call English...thats what known as a contradiction. The most important game of Culter's career would mean that yesterday's game is being put ahead of all his other games. Yes he does make bad decisions....the world knows that. NEXT!!!
2)"Bringing up a game in which he threw 4 interceptions to one player strengthen your argument how? Because he was confident about throwing to him afterwards? I have a newsflash for you, Cutler as ALWAYS been that way. In fact, it's more a show of arrogance than it is of confidence."
This one is easy. It shows that he is not afraid to continue to try again and again. It shows that yes he did fail but failure will not stop him until he succeeds. But you most likely wont look at it that way so you are on your own with that one. NEXT!!!
3)"As for your point about Lovie Smith's decision not to put him in, QBs hear that all the time. Just to bring back that Stafford example, the medical staff wanted him to get off the field. The coach wanted him to get off the field. But he didn't. That's how much he wanted it. So I couldn't care less about what garbage they're reporting to defend Cutler."
If you were understanding the points that I made in my previous post, you wouldnt have wrote what you just wrote. Ill ask you, who has the better health? Understand WHY to which QB has the better health. A QB who is hurt a lot doesnt give me a lot to work with. Yes Stafford has a lot of balls but doesnt mean anything to me if he is hurt...NEXT!!!!
4) Interesting that you brought up Carr and even more eye opening is to what you wrote about him losing his job because of sacks. You are wrong. Check back to why he lost his job...it has more to do with his individual play. Your making it seem that getting sacked by a 280lb linemen is like a walk in the park. Why? That takes a toll on the body. That aint easy to get smashed to the ground and get back up and play with full intensity. Not easy dude...not easy at all. Also theres the fact that its in the back of the QB's mind that he might get hit again. That plays a factor. Its called mind games.
5)"Now, your point about the players is ridiculous because those guys are the ones who are getting hurt every year and they know best about sports injuries. Making the conference championships is completely irrelevant in that situation. What does that have to do with anything? Football is a TEAM sport. Your team makes the championship game, not ONE person. And furthermore, if you think that Cutler and the 30th ranked offense in the NFL is the reason that the Bears made the NFC Championship game, you are sadly mistaken. I just wanted to see more from a guy who is supposed to be a franchise QB."
This makes me wanna cuss in the forums but I cant. Unreal dude. How do you see its ok to have players who are not in the playoffs talk smack about those who are in it? Everyone handles adversity differently. Maybe you will cry like a lil girl if your gf broke up with you but maybe I wont. But who am I to judge you? My point is...everyone is different. So understand that. Comprehend that. Face facts that its easy to judge others when we are on the outside looking in. Did it every occur to you that yesterday was Cutler's first knee injury and that he was nervous about it? Cut the guy some slack dude...the guy aint perfect. Yes you are right, a champ never quits but not everyone is a champ dude. Not everyone has the desire like MJ to be #1 all the time. Your seeing it in a tunnel vision. I am voicing out loud that you dont and just see it for what it is...and not what you want it to be. I wanted the Bears to win it...but it didnt work out. And yes Cutler did play a role with the Bears going to the NFC title game but most of the credit does go to the D and special teams. Cutler is better than what a lot of people say about him. He just hasnt shown it yet...
Ok, again, that was absolute nonsense. I'm not even sure what you're arguing about to be honest.
Firstly, yes, I said it the most important game of Cutler's career and I stand by the statement. What you said implies that I'm basing his performance purely on one game, which is not the case. This is a matter of you misinterpreting information and is much more an indication of poor reading comprehension than me contradicting myself. As I asserted repeatedly, this was the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. I never liked Cutler and I've been watching him stink it up for his entire career. This game just confirms to me that he's not elite.
Second...yeah, that's hilarious, his "confidence" sure does help him win games, doesn't it? :roll:
Third. I don't know what the nonsensical assertion here is. That Cutler has better health than Stafford? What does that have to do with anything? I'm not questioning Jay Cutler's health, I'm questioning his drive and his passion. Again, a result of poor reading comprehension that lead to a nonsensical assertion.
Fourth. You don't know anything about why David Carr was thrown out. Their front office blantantly stated that one of the major reasons why he was gone was because he held the ball too long and got sacked too often. That is a part of his performance too, believe it or not.
The other thing about that is you're arguing about how much of a beating Jay Cutler took, something I never argued against. You're not countering a point I made, you're going off on a tangent about something else. Besides that, once again, it doesn't matter to me how many times you've gotten sacked in a season. That's not an indication of toughness.
And more importantly, and this is the most important part, whether Cutler is tough or not is completely irrelevant. I countered that point because you decided to bring that argument into the discussion off one of your tangent arguments. I am questioning his drive, his passion and his will. The intangibles that make the elite QBs in the NFL. Those are two completely different things.
Lastly, everyone IS different. This is exactly my point. Everyone handles adversity differently. EXACTLY. Cutler doesn't handle it like an elite QB does. Phillip Rivers actually defended Cutler, but didn't stop short of saying that he would have to be carted off the field for him not to finish the game. That's what a champion does. I can't reiterate that enough.
The problem here is you're looking at him like he's a regular guy and I'm looking at him like he's a franchise QB. If you want me to stop looking at him like a franchise QB, so be it. But I never want to hear him say he belongs up there in the discussion with guys like Rivers, Roethlisberger, Brees, Brady or Manning. He's said it before and that's why my expectations are high. If he were someone like Chad Henne and he did the same thing, I probably wouldn't say anything because that's what I expect from a run of the mill QB.
MJD trying to say something? really? pretty sure that dude just missed the most important game of his teams history. senses_fail_06MJD is a jackass the guy had no right to talk since he didn't even know the severity of the injury. I know he is one of the most important/best players on our team and but I can't stand him and all his **** this just adds to the list.
[QUOTE="Master_Live"]What can I say? As fan, as QB. JML897
:lol: You really think Cutler's still a quitter even though he tore his MCL. Okay then.
And Brees played on a MCL sprain during the playoffs.
[QUOTE="JML897"]
[QUOTE="Master_Live"]What can I say? As fan, as QB. ps3_owns_360Wii
:lol: You really think Cutler's still a quitter even though he tore his MCL. Okay then.
And Brees played on a MCL sprain during the playoffs.
1. That sounds like a grade 1 sprain where Cutler's is a grade 2. Even in that article you linked to Sean Payton acknowledged that there are multiple levels of MCL sprains.
2. Even if their injuries were both grade 2s -- just because one player did it doesn't mean they all can. MCL sprains/tears typically sideline players for ~6 weeks. Does everyone who sits out for 6 weeks because of an MCL sprain "quit on their team"? Using that logic I don't want to ever see a player sit out because of a mere torn ACL again since Philip Rivers played with one.
3. It really sounds like the coaches/trainers took Cutler out of the game and he didn't do it himself.
Rivers played without an ACL and half his Meniscus in an AFC Championship Game. Makes me proud that my Quarterback has the fire and heart to play through an injury like that. Cutler is a quitter. HurricaneHugo
I love how everyone who talks about Rivers playing on a torn ACL fails to mention that he played like **** in that game.
Cutler couldn't plant his leg and with a torn MCL it'd make it so he couldn't scramble at all. Behind that terrible offensive line you need a mobile QB. Just look at what happened whenever the immobile Todd Collins went back there this year.
[QUOTE="HurricaneHugo"]Rivers played without an ACL and half his Meniscus in an AFC Championship Game. Makes me proud that my Quarterback has the fire and heart to play through an injury like that. Cutler is a quitter. JML897
I love how everyone who talks about Rivers playing on a torn ACL fails to mention that he played like **** in that game.
Cutler couldn't plant his leg and with a torn MCL it'd make it so he couldn't scramble at all. Behind that terrible offensive line you need a mobile QB. Just look at what happened whenever the immobile Todd Collins went back there this year.
Irrelevant. Nobody should be thinking that the Bears would have won even if Cutler did play. He was playing like crap before he got injured. That's besides the point. Rivers playing with that injury won his teammates over and they knew he was the guy they could rally behind, no matter what. That's what a leader does. That game was 14-12 going into the fourth quarter on the road, against an undefeated Patriots team. But that Chargers rallied and their defense came to play because people like Rivers inspire them when they leave it all on the field. Yeah, they lost. But they played hard and gave the Patriots a run for their money. The stats don't look good, but what matters is what going on inside that huddle. Cutler will never be that kind of a player.on a side note, veteran players and former players love to pound their chests and say how 'tough' they were for going far and beyond the pain threshold, but then down the road when they can't walk, or have nagging chronic pains, they complain how much they gave up for the game because they did so and how the game needs to be changed to protect the players and have the doctors have the final say whether they come back in or not....
In any case, Cutler has the same expression whether he throws for 300 yds and 4 touchdowns or has a game like he did this past Sunday. For people to say that they can see it in his face, they're totally wrong and full of $#%^.
MJD is a jackass the guy had no right to talk since he didn't even know the severity of the injury. I know he is one of the most important/best players on our team and but I can't stand him and all his **** this just adds to the list.MJD should have kept his thoughts to himself, but really? He is a jackass and you can't stand him? Since when have you felt this way may I ask, because this is the first time I've seen MJD garner so much criticism. Most Jags fans I know love him, and now these tweets come up and there is a divide. And MJD didn't miss the most important game of the season, that was the Indy game where he played with an ineffective knee.[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]MJD trying to say something? really? pretty sure that dude just missed the most important game of his teams history. M_1_A_M_I
Ok, again, that was absolute nonsense. I'm not even sure what you're arguing about to be honest.
Firstly, yes, I said it the most important game of Cutler's career and I stand by the statement. What you said implies that I'm basing his performance purely on one game, which is not the case. This is a matter of you misinterpreting information and is much more an indication of poor reading comprehension than me contradicting myself. As I asserted repeatedly, this was the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. I never liked Cutler and I've been watching him stink it up for his entire career. This game just confirms to me that he's not elite.
Second...yeah, that's hilarious, his "confidence" sure does help him win games, doesn't it? :roll:
Third. I don't know what the nonsensical assertion here is. That Cutler has better health than Stafford? What does that have to do with anything? I'm not questioning Jay Cutler's health, I'm questioning his drive and his passion. Again, a result of poor reading comprehension that lead to a nonsensical assertion.
Fourth. You don't know anything about why David Carr was thrown out. Their front office blantantly stated that one of the major reasons why he was gone was because he held the ball too long and got sacked too often. That is a part of his performance too, believe it or not.
The other thing about that is you're arguing about how much of a beating Jay Cutler took, something I never argued against. You're not countering a point I made, you're going off on a tangent about something else. Besides that, once again, it doesn't matter to me how many times you've gotten sacked in a season. That's not an indication of toughness.
And more importantly, and this is the most important part, whether Cutler is tough or not is completely irrelevant. I countered that point because you decided to bring that argument into the discussion off one of your tangent arguments. I am questioning his drive, his passion and his will. The intangibles that make the elite QBs in the NFL. Those are two completely different things.
Lastly, everyone IS different. This is exactly my point. Everyone handles adversity differently. EXACTLY. Cutler doesn't handle it like an elite QB does. Phillip Rivers actually defended Cutler, but didn't stop short of saying that he would have to be carted off the field for him not to finish the game. That's what a champion does. I can't reiterate that enough.
The problem here is you're looking at him like he's a regular guy and I'm looking at him like he's a franchise QB. If you want me to stop looking at him like a franchise QB, so be it. But I never want to hear him say he belongs up there in the discussion with guys like Rivers, Roethlisberger, Brees, Brady or Manning. He's said it before and that's why my expectations are high. If he were someone like Chad Henne and he did the same thing, I probably wouldn't say anything because that's what I expect from a run of the mill QB.
frostybanana
Alright Im done being nice with you. Your this big anit-Cutler guy and this conversation is going nowhere. So if you dont stop thinking outside the box, you will be offended.
You and Phillip Rivers...whats going on with that? He is NOT a champ. He went to the pro bowl 3 times. Big deal. O but your gonna say the he played with a torn ACL in the 2007 AFC title game. Guess what, the Chargers still lost! O but the idea of him playing with a torn ACL makes him a champ and shows that he has a lot of balls....big deal dude! GET OVER IT!!! The Chargers gamble with him by playing with a nasty injury. If he got hurt even more, that could of ended his career. By the luck of God, the Chargers still have their QB. Rivers will be an elite QB once he wins a ring. Thats something both the Manning brothers, Brady, Brees and Big Ben have. I wonder how dumb that franchise would look if Rivers had to retire after that game. Remember, the Bears are not the Chargers. But Ill get more into that later...
No one needs to tell you that Jay is not on the elite level. He hasnt won anything so thats your fault for having high expectations. There are plenty of players who get paid extreme amounts of money who happen to be complete busters...like Albert Haynesworth....Im pretty sure you know the drama that surrounds him. If your mad and thats why your hating on him so much then fine. Make that clear from the start instead of bashing this guy and blowing off my points as if they are nonsense which speaks VOLUMES about your position in judging people especially when you have something against them. His game against the Seahawks was extremely important as well and he passed the test with flying colors. So it is fair to completely disregard that game and just be like 'hey he did extremely poor against the Pack in the NFC title game, so he sucks!' No no no no no no. Everyone has bad games. Unfortunately Cutler has his 2 days ago. So one bad game, in a very crucial moment...solidifies that he is NOT a good QB? Sunday's game wont be his last. I wonder what you would say if next year comes along and he snaps by throwing 400+ yards, 5+ TDs and a passer rating in the 150s in one playoff game.
This is how I know your not a Bears fan and you pass judgment on to those you know very little about. The medical staff of the Chicago Bears is one of the BEST in the league. The Bears basically put it: that the medical staff determines whether or not a player will play. FOR EXAMPLE: Hunter Hillenmeyer who plays MLB for the Bears suffered a concussion during the preseason, he made it very clear to the Bears and medical staff to NOT put him on the IR...but you know what he was told? Based on the information given to the Bears staff by their medical team they determined it was best that he be put on the IR knowing that Hillenmeyer still wanted to play in the regular season very badly. So the Bears dont care if a player wants to go back in no matter what. If the medical staff says NO...then its NO! The Bears aint the Chargers, Colts, or the Pats. The Bear's medical staff is very different from everyone else. They implemented a system to where they put an extreme importance to what their doctors say. So your point of questioning his drive and his passion is irrelevant due to the fact it doesnt mean s--- if a higher authority tells him NO. Point and case! (But go ahead and say how thats totally irrelevant and how thats complete nonsense and how it doesnt even provide any back up to my reasoning...go ahead and say that)
"You don't know anything about why David Carr was thrown out. Their front office blantantly stated that one of the major reasons why he was gone was because he held the ball too long and got sacked too often. That is a part of his performance too, believe it or not.You don't know anything about why David Carr was thrown out. Their front office blantantly stated that one of the major reasons why he was gone was because he held the ball too long and got sacked too often. That is a part of his performance too, believe it or not." OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wow, how cute. Look at you just talking smack. You missing a lot more info. What your fingers hurt? Tell the whole story. If not, dont even bother with it. Jesus Christ, you couldnt pour water out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
"The other thing about that is you're arguing about how much of a beating Jay Cutler took, something I never argued against. You're not countering a point I made, you're going off on a tangent about something else. Besides that, once again, it doesn't matter to me how many times you've gotten sacked in a season. That's not an indication of toughness." You must be from a world that I never ever heard off. I try to provide a point, but your cockiness seems to provide you with an imagination that is absolutely unreal and with that cockiness you just slap down my reasonings. You are too full of yourself. Getting sacked a lot and getting back up is not an indication of toughness. Wow...you know what...your right! You are 100% right. Unbelievable dude. You really did play football. This is how I know this conversation is going nowhere. The NFL Combine is coming up. Why dont you suit up and show the world how you do things. Whatever dude, your beyond bias and your too hard headed...
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