Jerry Stackhouse May Have Killed Kidd Trade And Mavs Title Hopes.

:shock: Not quite on a Mike Vick level of stupidity, but he may have ruined the Mavs chance at a ring this year.

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Stackhouse and George are saving this franchise.

Stupidity?

Dude is well within his rights. I don't see the problem. People expect this dude to sacrifice money so some stars may or may not have a better chance at winning? :P

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"] Stackhouse and George are saving this franchise. UssjTrunks

Why do you think that?

The Nets aren't that bad of a team - Carter, Richardson, Martin (in the Finals days), etc. etc.

Kidd won't help better than Harris would. Harris for now seems like a poor man's Tony Parker, but in a few years he could be a really good player.

The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.-Halftime-

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

Stackhouse and George are saving this franchise.

AHUGECAT

Agreed. Kidd may be good, but like Shaq, he's aging. In a few years, he'll be an average point guard, and with the Nets getting 2 first round picks, the Mavs won't be able to sign fresh legs. They need big men.

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.nilemonitor

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it. And they aren't giving up much at all considering that they're getting jason kidd. they were gonna resign stackhouse while diop + george are bench players at most and their draft picks aren't going to be worth much anyways

[QUOTE="nilemonitor"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.silky_smooth8

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it

I don't think Kidd will have an effect. Mavs have plenty of outside shooters. What they need are big men. For instance, the Suns, the tallest player, excluding Shaq, is Stoudemire, 6'10. Suns have a small lineup, and even though they may be a great team, they have no championships to show for it.

[QUOTE="nilemonitor"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.silky_smooth8

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it

Go bark at Reggie Miller and the TNT cast. They are the ones who said it. I'm just repeating it. I'm going out on a limb and having more faith in what former NBA players say over [random posters]. Sorry but they have more experience.

You can't convince me that a pair of deuces beats a royal flush. The Mavs would have been screwed in this trade and even Nets fans know that.

I dunna about the trade.

The fact they gave 2 draft picks for an old guy is kinda dumb. Maybe they need Playoff Expertise,

And none of you have Mentioned Dirk nowitzki who no matter what culd probably outshoot everyone in the nba cept maybe manu Ginobili

[QUOTE="nilemonitor"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.silky_smooth8

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it. And they aren't giving up much at all considering that they're getting jason kidd. they were gonna resign stackhouse while diop + george are bench players at most and their draft picks aren't going to be worth much anyways

if the Mavs want to win now like you say they're going to need good interior defense down low, with the addition of kidd the team is just going to add more flash but with little substance, and yes I know what kidd can do he is mr. triple double but that still won't help them on what they NEED. teams like the Suns, Lakers, and Spurs are gonna dominate them

i dont understand why the mavs are giving up so many players for 2 people...plus giving away 2 first round draft picks...seems to me they are giving waaaay more than wht they are getting. this shud prbably change those since george blocked the trade. we'll see wht happensmakaveli_89

You don't know much about Basketball do you? Last post I read that you made said you thought Ray Allen isn't good enough to start and should be a bench player (RA is 2nd ALl Time in 3 Pointers) now your bashing this trade. It's a great trade for the Mav's since they want to win now. Jason Kidd will put them back in contention now with LA and SA.

[QUOTE="makaveli_89"]i dont understand why the mavs are giving up so many players for 2 people...plus giving away 2 first round draft picks...seems to me they are giving waaaay more than wht they are getting. this shud prbably change those since george blocked the trade. we'll see wht happensJust_Osmo

You don't know much about Basketball do you? Last post I read that you made said you thought Ray Allen isn't good enough to start and should be a bench player (RA is 2nd ALl Time in 3 Pointers) now your bashing this trade. It's a great trade for the Mav's since they want to win now. Jason Kidd will put them back in contention now with LA and SA.

you dont know much about reading do you?. because i never made such a post.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="makaveli_89"]i dont understand why the mavs are giving up so many players for 2 people...plus giving away 2 first round draft picks...seems to me they are giving waaaay more than wht they are getting. this shud prbably change those since george blocked the trade. we'll see wht happensmakaveli_89

You don't know much about Basketball do you? Last post I read that you made said you thought Ray Allen isn't good enough to start and should be a bench player (RA is 2nd ALl Time in 3 Pointers) now your bashing this trade. It's a great trade for the Mav's since they want to win now. Jason Kidd will put them back in contention now with LA and SA.

you dont know much about reading do you?. because i never made such a post.

My Bad, you posted bellow the personw ho said that. i just remembered you Sig and assumed it was you. My bad.

[QUOTE="silky_smooth8"][QUOTE="nilemonitor"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.Witchking111111

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it

I don't think Kidd will have an effect. Mavs have plenty of outside shooters.

Yes that's exactly why the Mavs want Kidd, to be an outside shooter.

[QUOTE="makaveli_89"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="makaveli_89"]i dont understand why the mavs are giving up so many players for 2 people...plus giving away 2 first round draft picks...seems to me they are giving waaaay more than wht they are getting. this shud prbably change those since george blocked the trade. we'll see wht happensJust_Osmo

You don't know much about Basketball do you? Last post I read that you made said you thought Ray Allen isn't good enough to start and should be a bench player (RA is 2nd ALl Time in 3 Pointers) now your bashing this trade. It's a great trade for the Mav's since they want to win now. Jason Kidd will put them back in contention now with LA and SA.

you dont know much about reading do you?. because i never made such a post.

My Bad, you posted bellow the personw ho said that. i just remembered you Sig and assumed it was you. My bad.

lol no problem

[QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="silky_smooth8"][QUOTE="nilemonitor"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.manningbowl135

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it

I don't think Kidd will have an effect. Mavs have plenty of outside shooters.

Yes that's exactly why the Mavs want Kidd, to be an outside shooter.

When the Mavs play the Suns or Spurs in the playoffs, they will have no one to guard Shaq or Duncan. Seems pretty pointless to want another outside shooter, when you have at least 8 already, and when all other teams are trading for big men, Lakers got Gasol, and Suns got Shaq.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="silky_smooth8"][QUOTE="nilemonitor"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.Witchking111111

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it

I don't think Kidd will have an effect. Mavs have plenty of outside shooters.

Yes that's exactly why the Mavs want Kidd, to be an outside shooter.

When the Mavs play the Suns or Spurs in the playoffs, they will have no one to guard Shaq or Duncan. Seems pretty pointless to want another outside shooter, when you have at least 8 already, and when all other teams are trading for big men, Lakers got Gasol, and Suns got Shaq.

I am not sure, but I don't think those 8 outside shooters can do what Kidd can.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Yes that's exactly why the Mavs want Kidd, to be an outside shooter.

Witchking111111

When the Mavs play the Suns or Spurs in the playoffs, they will have no one to guard Shaq or Duncan. Seems pretty pointless to want another outside shooter, when you have at least 8 already, and when all other teams are trading for big men, Lakers got Gasol, and Suns got Shaq.

I am not sure, but I don't think those 8 outside shooters can do what Kidd can.

I am not sure, but I don't think Kidd can do what Diop can, guard Shaq or Duncan.

So Diop is more valuable to the Mavs than Kidd would be?

[QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Yes that's exactly why the Mavs want Kidd, to be an outside shooter.

manningbowl135

When the Mavs play the Suns or Spurs in the playoffs, they will have no one to guard Shaq or Duncan. Seems pretty pointless to want another outside shooter, when you have at least 8 already, and when all other teams are trading for big men, Lakers got Gasol, and Suns got Shaq.

I am not sure, but I don't think those 8 outside shooters can do what Kidd can.

I am not sure, but I don't think Kidd can do what Diop can, guard Shaq or Duncan.

So Diop is more valuable to the Mavs than Kidd would be?

No, but they'd be better off with him down the road.

And the two first round picks should be more valuable to the Mavs than Kidd.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Yes that's exactly why the Mavs want Kidd, to be an outside shooter.

Witchking111111

When the Mavs play the Suns or Spurs in the playoffs, they will have no one to guard Shaq or Duncan. Seems pretty pointless to want another outside shooter, when you have at least 8 already, and when all other teams are trading for big men, Lakers got Gasol, and Suns got Shaq.

I am not sure, but I don't think those 8 outside shooters can do what Kidd can.

I am not sure, but I don't think Kidd can do what Diop can, guard Shaq or Duncan.

So Diop is more valuable to the Mavs than Kidd would be?

No, but they'd be better off with him down the road.

:|

That is exactly what being more valuable means.

[QUOTE="silky_smooth8"][QUOTE="nilemonitor"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.nilemonitor

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it

Go bark at Reggie Miller and the TNT cast. They are the ones who said it. I'm just repeating it. I'm going out on a limb and having more faith in what former NBA players say over [random posters]. Sorry but they have more experience.

You can't convince me that a pair of deuces beats a royal flush. The Mavs would have been screwed in this trade and even Nets fans know that.

so you're just gonna "go" with reggie miller + the TNT cast and use that as your own opinion without any argument? Im sure the entire population of basketball experts, nba legends, tv broadcasters ect know that devin harris isn't a top 10 pg. Here i'll name 10 off the top of my head and you can try convince me that devin harris is even in the same league: kidd, nash, paul, deron williams, billups, parker, calderon, arenas, baron davis, andre miller...sorry but doesn't it look like reggie miller/TNT were wrong on that one??

[QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Yes that's exactly why the Mavs want Kidd, to be an outside shooter.

manningbowl135

When the Mavs play the Suns or Spurs in the playoffs, they will have no one to guard Shaq or Duncan. Seems pretty pointless to want another outside shooter, when you have at least 8 already, and when all other teams are trading for big men, Lakers got Gasol, and Suns got Shaq.

I am not sure, but I don't think those 8 outside shooters can do what Kidd can.

I am not sure, but I don't think Kidd can do what Diop can, guard Shaq or Duncan.

So Diop is more valuable to the Mavs than Kidd would be?

No, but they'd be better off with him down the road.

:|

That is exactly what being more valuable means.

What I meant to say was that the Mavs would be better off down the road without the trade. Sure Kidd is a good player, but what's better, Kidd, or Stackhouse, Diop and 2 first round picks. One first round pick would be better than Kidd.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Yes that's exactly why the Mavs want Kidd, to be an outside shooter.

Witchking111111

When the Mavs play the Suns or Spurs in the playoffs, they will have no one to guard Shaq or Duncan. Seems pretty pointless to want another outside shooter, when you have at least 8 already, and when all other teams are trading for big men, Lakers got Gasol, and Suns got Shaq.

I am not sure, but I don't think those 8 outside shooters can do what Kidd can.

I am not sure, but I don't think Kidd can do what Diop can, guard Shaq or Duncan.

So Diop is more valuable to the Mavs than Kidd would be?

No, but they'd be better off with him down the road.

:|

That is exactly what being more valuable means.

What I meant to say was that the Mavs would be better off down the road without the trade. Sure Kidd is a good player, but what's better, Kidd, or Stackhouse, Diop and 2 first round picks. One first round pick would be better than Kidd.

Do you follow the NBA alot?

The NBA draft is not like the NFL draft. If you're not in the lottery, the first round pick has C+ value.

[QUOTE="silky_smooth8"][QUOTE="nilemonitor"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.andyboiii

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it. And they aren't giving up much at all considering that they're getting jason kidd. they were gonna resign stackhouse while diop + george are bench players at most and their draft picks aren't going to be worth much anyways

if the Mavs want to win now like you say they're going to need good interior defense down low, with the addition of kidd the team is just going to add more flash but with little substance, and yes I know what kidd can do he is mr. triple double but that still won't help them on what they NEED. teams like the Suns, Lakers, and Spurs are gonna dominate them

oh my god....am i the only one who knows who jason kidd is around here?? Adding kidd won't give them substance? you people forget that kidd is a future hall of fame pg who has led teams to what? 100ish playoff games in like 10 straight seasons?? you all mention he's old or w/e but he plays his best ball when he's in the playoffs and last year's averaging of a triple double doesn't seem like a declining old man to me. and not to mention he's led a team to the finals before. Who the mavs need is a leader and playmaker that doesn't lose his composure and choke in the playoffs (see dirk). And how exactly are george and diop gonna shut down players like amare or duncan? they already have a legit big bodied center in dampier so how is it that the mavs are losing sooo much as you all say?? you've all seen the impact of adding a superstar pg (see suns) and what it did for their franchise but adding kidd for a couple of roleplayers is a huge no no somehow

[QUOTE="andyboiii"][QUOTE="silky_smooth8"][QUOTE="nilemonitor"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.silky_smooth8

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it. And they aren't giving up much at all considering that they're getting jason kidd. they were gonna resign stackhouse while diop + george are bench players at most and their draft picks aren't going to be worth much anyways

if the Mavs want to win now like you say they're going to need good interior defense down low, with the addition of kidd the team is just going to add more flash but with little substance, and yes I know what kidd can do he is mr. triple double but that still won't help them on what they NEED. teams like the Suns, Lakers, and Spurs are gonna dominate them

and not to mention he's led a team to the finals before.

That was 5 years ago and no championships.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Do you follow the NBA alot?

The NBA draft is not like the NFL draft. If you're not in the lottery, the first round pick has C+ value.

Witchking111111

Yes. So Tony Parker and Leandro Barbosa are C+ values? Those are the only players I could think of right now, but I'm sure there are others. Kidd is not as good as he used to be. Averages 11 points, nothing special, the only thing that sticks out in his stats are 10 assists.

Generally they're c value picks. Did you see the Lakers give up two first rounders for Gasol? Yea that's the kind of value a first non-lottery pick has in the NBA.

And 8 RPG for a PG doesn't stick out at all?

He has the same impact on a game that Chris Paul or Steve Nash does. That's worth 2 first round picks, Diop, Stackhouse and Harris if the Mavs think he's not a true PG.

[QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Do you follow the NBA alot?

The NBA draft is not like the NFL draft. If you're not in the lottery, the first round pick has C+ value.

manningbowl135

Yes. So Tony Parker and Leandro Barbosa are C+ values? Those are the only players I could think of right now, but I'm sure there are others. Kidd is not as good as he used to be. Averages 11 points, nothing special, the only thing that sticks out in his stats are 10 assists.

Generally they're c value picks. Did you see the Lakers give up two first rounders for Gasol? Yea that's the kind of value a first non-lottery pick has in the NBA.

And 8 RPG for a PG doesn't stick out at all?

He has the same impact on a game that Chris Paul or Steve Nash does. That's worth 2 first round picks, Diop, Stackhouse and Harris if the Mavs think he's not a true PG.

Kidd has nowhere near the impact Chris Paul or Steve Nash does. Both have led their to the best records in the West, while Kidd has led his team to a mediocre season. Kidd is showing no signs of improvement. His PPG have gone down each year.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Do you follow the NBA alot?

The NBA draft is not like the NFL draft. If you're not in the lottery, the first round pick has C+ value.

Witchking111111

Yes. So Tony Parker and Leandro Barbosa are C+ values? Those are the only players I could think of right now, but I'm sure there are others. Kidd is not as good as he used to be. Averages 11 points, nothing special, the only thing that sticks out in his stats are 10 assists.

Generally they're c value picks. Did you see the Lakers give up two first rounders for Gasol? Yea that's the kind of value a first non-lottery pick has in the NBA.

And 8 RPG for a PG doesn't stick out at all?

He has the same impact on a game that Chris Paul or Steve Nash does. That's worth 2 first round picks, Diop, Stackhouse and Harris if the Mavs think he's not a true PG.

Kidd has nowhere near the impact Chris Paul or Steve Nash does. Both have led their to the best records in the West, while Kidd has led his team to a mediocre season. Kidd is showing no signs of improvement. His PPG have gone down each year.

Well that's where I guess we disagree. I think Kidd is on the Nash level and you don't.

[QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Witchking111111"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Do you follow the NBA alot?

The NBA draft is not like the NFL draft. If you're not in the lottery, the first round pick has C+ value.

manningbowl135

Yes. So Tony Parker and Leandro Barbosa are C+ values? Those are the only players I could think of right now, but I'm sure there are others. Kidd is not as good as he used to be. Averages 11 points, nothing special, the only thing that sticks out in his stats are 10 assists.

Generally they're c value picks. Did you see the Lakers give up two first rounders for Gasol? Yea that's the kind of value a first non-lottery pick has in the NBA.

And 8 RPG for a PG doesn't stick out at all?

He has the same impact on a game that Chris Paul or Steve Nash does. That's worth 2 first round picks, Diop, Stackhouse and Harris if the Mavs think he's not a true PG.

Kidd has nowhere near the impact Chris Paul or Steve Nash does. Both have led their to the best records in the West, while Kidd has led his team to a mediocre season. Kidd is showing no signs of improvement. His PPG have gone down each year.

Well that's where I guess we disagree. I think Kidd is on the Nash level and you don't.

Guess so. The only thing Kidd has in common with Nash is age, both are 34.

Don't like the trade for the Mavs. Jason Kidd is great and all , I understand that ..... but he can't fill all 3 roles that Harris , Diop , and Stackhouse does. Harris for the next few years .. sure , but it is going to make their bench much worse and they are giving up an important playoff defender in Diop to go up against all of the good big guys in the west. Erik Dampier isn't going to be able to get it done by himself.

" Erik Dampier , all by himself ? "

All they are doing is making the team arguably worse or possibly the same at best (if Kidd plays lights out) ..... and giving up a terrific young player in Harris. Eventhough the west is absolutely stacked (especially with great big men) , the Mavs still have a shot to come out of it if they play well. They have a deep team and a pretty good coach.

They should be looking to get a big man to improve their team without breaking up the core of the team just yet (these guys are still young too).

• Devin Harris - 24
• Josh Howard - 27
• Dirk - 29

[QUOTE="silky_smooth8"][QUOTE="andyboiii"][QUOTE="silky_smooth8"][QUOTE="nilemonitor"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Mavs are better off not doing this trade anyway... They're giving up way too much.Witchking111111

Agreed.

I'm not saying Kidd wouldn't help the Mavs but I'm not so sure they are better off down one center (DeSagana Diop), several role players, a top 10 point guard and possible future all-star, 3 million dollars and two first round draft picks all for Kidd's help. That's too many holes for Kidd to fill.

devin harris a top 10 point guard?.... not even. What's with all the devin harris praise? Even if he does develop into a star in a couple years time he stilll wouldn't be half the pg kidd is now. Considering the past two years of massive disappointment, mavs need to win now and with kidd, they have a legitimate shot at doing it. And they aren't giving up much at all considering that they're getting jason kidd. they were gonna resign stackhouse while diop + george are bench players at most and their draft picks aren't going to be worth much anyways

if the Mavs want to win now like you say they're going to need good interior defense down low, with the addition of kidd the team is just going to add more flash but with little substance, and yes I know what kidd can do he is mr. triple double but that still won't help them on what they NEED. teams like the Suns, Lakers, and Spurs are gonna dominate them

and not to mention he's led a team to the finals before.

That was 5 years ago and no championships.

yea... but who did he do it with?? Kenyon martin, that's it. Kidd hasn't gotten much help for his team over the years while guys like nash and paul land on teams with good young talent and end up doing very well. You can put paul or nash on the nets roster running the point it wouldn't be any different. You put kidd on a team with talent and he can take them further than any devin harris, george or diop can.