Lebron is not the best player in nba why?

LOL @ LeBron being a better defender than Kobe. Kobe's been on the all defensive first team 8 or 9 times I believe. LeBron is a good defender, but Kobe is a better defender. Just because you see LeBron chase down blocks on Sportscenter doesn't mean he's a better fundamental defensive player. Hell, Dwyane Wade is a better defender. You act like Kobe never played on a crappy team? He played on team with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown as STARTERS, and got them within a win of defeating the Suns in the playoffs. LeBron had a better team in those years than Kobe. Learn some history, because I know all these Cavs fans just started watching basketball when LeBroom came to town.

I guess Cavs fans will latch on to anything to think their cry baby superstar is better. It's just gonna be funny after this series when Kobe has his 4'th ring to LeBrick's ZERO, there's gonna be no comparison, just like there is no comparison now. Kobe is a better basketball player, all around, it's no comparison. Yes, Kobe has a better team, but Kobe is the better player, as well.

-Halftime-

LBJ will be the 2nd best player ever after the other 23

You fail for the simple fact that you think Kobe is the best of all time. Guy isn't even the best Laker of all time.

Cause this is all Lebron James knows what to do...

You *** for the simple fact that you think Kobe is the best of all time. Guy isn't even the best Laker of all time.

Espurs117

[QUOTE="andyboiii"]

[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"]Kobe was not the MVP of the Finals, he wasn't the key to those victories-Halftime-

really?

I know this isn't the finals but what about Game 7 against Portland in 2000 where Shaq disappeared and Kobe carried the load

O'Neal was unable to make a basket in the first 15 minutes and had only 9pts entering the 4th.
So young Kobe had to step up, and at 21, he wasn't afraid of anything or anyone. He did score 25pts but played awesome defense too. His rebounds, assists & Blocks often lead to big plays. He just outplayed NBA great Scottie Pippen, who shouldn't have critisized him at the beginning of the series, in the final two plays of the game.

This was all at age 21 btw

Okay, I'll admit that my wording was bad. I didn't mean to disregard anything that he did. I'm just trying to say that Kobe had much more around him that LeBron ever had. Those two games that andyboiii posted focus on game when Shaq didn't produce. Two game where Shaquille O'Neal didn't produce are a joke compared to LeBron's entire cast of this year--a pretty legit team--disappearing in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Looking back in the history books, in the Pacers series...before Shaq "disappeared," he threw up 43 points and 19 boards in Game 1 when Kobe was ailing from a sprained ankle. If LeBron had a sprained ankle, who is covering for him? Nobody. That's who.

Game 2 of that series, Kobe played nine minutes and scored two points. What's that there? Forty and nineteen more from Shaq? Glen Rice and Ron Harper each add 21?

Kobe sat out Game 3.

Now to Game 4. Shaq fouls out and Kobe just takes over. Never mind Shaq's 36 and 21 before fouling out and then Kobe "takes over" after basically three games of rest on a Pacers team in their fourth game of an NBA Finals series against Shaq. I'm sure they'd have figured out how to stop Shaq and Kobe would have taken over anyway...

What? Eight points in 37 minutes for Kobe in Game 5? Well, now. Stop the presses. Shaq had 35 and 11 by comparison.

Game 6, Kobe had 26 and 10. Very impressive. And guess what? Shaq played the sidekick to Kobe's greatness and went for 41 and 12. Hell, thanks for making me check some facts. I never realized how focused the Pacers were on stopping a youngster with a sprained ankle when they were staring down 40 and 15 on the post every night.

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]

[QUOTE="andyboiii"]

really?

I know this isn't the finals but what about Game 7 against Portland in 2000 where Shaq disappeared and Kobe carried the load

O'Neal was unable to make a basket in the first 15 minutes and had only 9pts entering the 4th.
So young Kobe had to step up, and at 21, he wasn't afraid of anything or anyone. He did score 25pts but played awesome defense too. His rebounds, assists & Blocks often lead to big plays. He just outplayed NBA great Scottie Pippen, who shouldn't have critisized him at the beginning of the series, in the final two plays of the game.

This was all at age 21 btw

dodgerblue13

Okay, I'll admit that my wording was bad. I didn't mean to disregard anything that he did. I'm just trying to say that Kobe had much more around him that LeBron ever had. Those two games that andyboiii posted focus on game when Shaq didn't produce. Two game where Shaquille O'Neal didn't produce are a joke compared to LeBron's entire cast of this year--a pretty legit team--disappearing in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Looking back in the history books, in the Pacers series...before Shaq "disappeared," he threw up 43 points and 19 boards in Game 1 when Kobe was ailing from a sprained ankle. If LeBron had a sprained ankle, who is covering for him? Nobody. That's who.

Game 2 of that series, Kobe played nine minutes and scored two points. What's that there? Forty and nineteen more from Shaq? Glen Rice and Ron Harper each add 21?

Kobe sat out Game 3.

Now to Game 4. Shaq fouls out and Kobe just takes over. Never mind Shaq's 36 and 21 before fouling out and then Kobe "takes over" after basically three games of rest on a Pacers team in their fourth game of an NBA Finals series against Shaq. I'm sure they'd have figured out how to stop Shaq and Kobe would have taken over anyway...

What? Eight points in 37 minutes for Kobe in Game 5? Well, now. Stop the presses. Shaq had 35 and 11 by comparison.

Game 6, Kobe had 26 and 10. Very impressive. And guess what? Shaq played the sidekick to Kobe's greatness and went for 41 and 12. Hell, thanks for making me check some facts. I never realized how focused the Pacers were on stopping a youngster with a sprained ankle when they were staring down 40 and 15 on the post every night.

Wow you need to ask Kobe for some knee pads for Xmas.

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]

You *** for the simple fact that you think Kobe is the best of all time. Guy isn't even the best Laker of all time.

MoonMarvel

"Looking back in the history books, in the Pacer series....."

So I won't get caught in the cross-fire again, I'll just make some random points of my own.

Shaq had a great finals against the Pacers no doubt...against "stellar defensive ace" Rik Smits(okay, a cheap shot). Kobe sprained his ankle in game 2 of the Pacer series (not gm 1) that's why he only played 9 mins., he was hampered most of the series. Plus it was Kobe's first finals after just getting "starters minutes" the previous year (wow, L.A. won the title that year shortly after young Kobe "started" and after Shaq teams had been swept about 4 times{3 in a row in Orlando}humm). Given Kobe's youth, finals inexperience and bum ankle, I don't think he did too bad. But it's true Shaq was Da Man that series.

But for laughs and giggles lets see what Kobe did the next2 title runs in the finals being injury free and having another year of experience.

Finals averages in2001 finals) Shaq- 30.4pts, 15.4rbs, 2,4blks.....Kobe- 29.4pts, 7.3rbs, 6.1assists

Finals averages in 2002 finals) Shaq- 28.5pts, 12.6rbs, 2.5blks.....Kobe- 26.6pts, 5.8rbs, 4.6assists

I think this strongly suggests Kobe was much more than a side-kick to Shaq, and more than what Pippen was to MJ as many say. Shaq dominated the post, Kobe dominated the perimeter.

But you gotta get to the finals, here's what Kobe did on the way to the 2001 finals:

VS Sac Kings: gm1- 29ts, 4rbs, 5 assists,... gm2- 27pts, 9rbs, 5 assists... gm3- 36pts, 7rbs, 4 assists,... gm4- 48pts, 16rbs, 3 assists

VS Spurs: gm1- 45pts, 10rbs, 3 assists,.... gm2- 28pts, 7rbs, 6 assists,.... gm3- 36pts, 9rbs, 8 assists,..... gm4- 24pts, 2rbs, 11 assists

Don't think Shaq was carrying Kobe to the title and those are not side kick numbers. Again, Kobe dominated the perimeter and fed Shaq pretty well also. Note how L.A. is now sweeping folks instead of getting swept, once Kobe got more experience. Kobe "slacked off" in the finals, he only had 15 and 19pts in 2 of the games. The others he had 31, 32 and 26 and pretty much kept up the rbs and assists.

In the 2002 finals Kobe averaged 26.6pts, 5.8rbs, 4.6 assists. Considering the circumstances that's pretty good. I don't really care about the Lebron/Kobe comparison because it's apples and oranges (as is the MJ comparison).But Kobe deserves much more credit for those 3 rings than he gets from most.

In 2003 the Lakers didn't make the finals and may not have made the playoffs had Kobe not "gone off". IMO Shaq got fat, lazy and jealous(of Kobe's rise) and they just couldn't co-exist much longer. I don't think MJ could have co-existed with Shaq either, just my opinion.

see http://www.lakersuniverse.com/kobe/kobe_bryant_stats200203.htmLook at the Kobe game log to confirm my info during the 3 title years.

"Looking back in the history books, in the Pacer series....."

So I won't get caught in the cross-fire again, I'll just make some random points of my own.

Shaq had a great finals against the Pacers no doubt...against "stellar defensive ace" Rik Smits(okay, a cheap shot). Kobe sprained his ankle in game 2 of the Pacer series (not gm 1) that's why he only played 9 mins., he was hampered most of the series. Plus it was Kobe's first finals after just getting "starters minutes" the previous year (wow, L.A. won the title that year shortly after young Kobe "started" and after Shaq teams had been swept about 4 times{3 in a row in Orlando}humm). Given Kobe's youth, finals inexperience andbum ankle, I don't think he did too bad. But it's true Shaq was Da Man that series.

But for laughs and giggles lets see what Kobe did the next2 title runs in the finals being injury free and having another year of experience.

Finals averages in2001 finals) Shaq- 30.4pts, 15.4rbs, 2,4blks.....Kobe- 29.4pts, 7.3rbs, 6.1assists

Finals averages in 2002 finals) Shaq- 28.5pts, 12.6rbs, 2.5blks.....Kobe- 26.6pts, 5.8rbs, 4.6assists

I think this strongly suggests Kobe was much more than a side-kick to Shaq, and more than what Pippen was to MJ as many say. Shaqdominated the post, Kobe dominated the perimeter.

But you gotta get to the finals, here's what Kobe did on the way to the 2001 finals:

VS Sac Kings: gm1- 29ts, 4rbs, 5 assists,... gm2- 27pts, 9rbs, 5 assists... gm3- 36pts, 7rbs, 4 assists,... gm4- 48pts, 16rbs, 3 assists

VS Spurs: gm1- 45pts, 10rbs, 3 assists,.... gm2- 28pts, 7rbs, 6 assists,.... gm3- 36pts, 9rbs, 8 assists,..... gm4- 24pts, 2rbs, 11 assists

Don't think Shaq was carrying Kobe to the title and those are not side kick numbers. Again, Kobe dominated the perimeter and fed Shaq pretty well also. Note how L.A. is now sweeping folks instead of getting swept, once Kobe got more experience. Kobe "slacked off" in the finals, he only had 15 and 19pts in 2 of the games. The others he had 31, 32 and 26 and pretty much kept up the rbs and assists.

In the 2002 finals Kobe averaged 26.6pts, 5.8rbs, 4.6 assists. Considering the circumstances that's pretty good. I don't really care about the Lebron/Kobe comparison because it's apples and oranges (as is the MJ comparison).But Kobe deserves much more credit for those 3 rings than he gets from most.

In 2003 the Lakers didn't make the finals and may not have made the playoffs had Kobe not "gone off". IMO Shaq got fat, lazy and jealous(of Kobe's rise) and they just couldn't co-exist much longer. I don't thinkMJ could have co-exsistedwith Shaq either, just my opinion.

see http://www.lakersuniverse.com/kobe/kobe_bryant_stats200203.htmLook at the Kobe game log to confirm my info during the 3 title years.

Figured you'd like that! :lol: I laughed myself when I put that in there (even though I truely believe it), was it out of place, yep, knew that, gotta have some fun. Plus what;s good for the goose is good for the gander(whatever the heck a gander is). People need to see how it feels to have others take pot shots at their dude.

Seriously, you know Kobe has taken a beating since he's been in the league. Some warranted, a lot of it was/is not. Don't you think he's had enough? Everything he does is overly critiqued,even the "scowl". Analyst's saying was it real or was he just trying to impress us...geez, stop it. From Shaq mouthing off periodically, to, "he aint Jordan", "Jordan woulda done this, Jordan woulda done that", "he shoots too much", "he didn't shoot enough", bla ,bla ,bla.....let Kobe finish his career in peace. I'm waiting for some one to say "MJ would not have played so poorly ina finals game..." so I can jump all over that crap.

Anyway, somebody's gotta defend Kobe's legacy as the next player in the line of great slashing, high flying, dunking, shooting players......Baylor, Doc, MJ, Kobe, Lebron/Wade........ but Kobe is in definitely there and gets way too much hate, imo. I'm not a MJ hater(or Kobe lover in that sense, just like his game most of the time), but I do strongly disagree with all this "MJ's the greatest stuff" Just think we can't say for sure. But see, I've stayed out of the latest thread on the subject on purpose(so far)...proud of me ????;)

BTW, I'm an old man of 51, (Doc for life baby!!!) :lol: What am I doing here, just like to challenge young people to think a little deeper about things, plus still into pro ball and discussions about it.

nonsense, Kareem Abdull Jabbar is the GOAT laker of all-time!CleanPlayer

What LeBron did in the Garden was more impressive than what Kobe did that week (I'm not gonna say LeBron's the better player though).JML897

I agree because lebron is better than kobe no doubt all lebron needs is that mental focus kobe has and he will be the best

Not the best of all-time, LOL! That title belongs to another #23 NOT LeBron James. ;)

But I do agree that Kobe is still the best in the NBA at the moment. But I also think that it's only a matter of time LeBron takes over, unless some crazy freak of nature comes out of college or high school that blows both of them away, which I don't see happenining, at least not in our lifetime.

But it's arguable. Some say LeBron is the best, some say Kobe is. I guess it's both right. LeBron does things that make him the best, but then again, Kobe does things that show why he's still the best.

But at the end, it doesn't matter really, because there will always be only one GREATESTOF ALL-TIME, and we all know who that is. HINT: He's from the Bulls, 6 NBA Finals MVPs, 5 regular MVPs, Defensive Player of the Year, and loves to stick out his toungue! ;)

ASK_Story

I'll take Lebron over Kobe everyday of the week.privateerblue

until Lebron wins a game in the finals, i'll take kobe any day of the week

Nonsense, Wilt Chamberlain is the best Laker of all time.

I'm a Celtics fan and hate both teams equally, and Kobe is better in every way except running down the lane and dunking, you know making the highlight reel by doing monster dunks isn't what wins ships, it's teamwork, and that's why the Cavs got beat by the Magic. A few years ago people were saying T-Mac and Vince Carter were great look where that got both of them.

I'm a Celtics fan and hate both teams equally, and Kobe is better in every way except running down the lane and dunking, you know making the highlight reel by doing monster dunks isn't what wins ships, it's teamwork, and that's why the Cavs got beat by the Magic. A few years ago people were saying T-Mac and Vince Carter were great look where that got both of them.

TheBigTicket21

[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]

I'm a Celtics fan and hate both teams equally, and Kobe is better in every way except running down the lane and dunking, you know making the highlight reel by doing monster dunks isn't what wins ships, it's teamwork, and that's why the Cavs got beat by the Magic. A few years ago people were saying T-Mac and Vince Carter were great look where that got both of them.

LTomlinson21