Lebron/Kobe

This is a question for those who believed that throughout last season Kobe was still a better all round/more individually skilled player than Lebron.

Even though you may still be more of a fan of Kobe, now that Lebron has improved his jump shot (including from 3pt range) and his defense, do you now believe Lebron has surpassed Kobe as the better player?

If you already believed Lebron was better, that's cool too. Just wanna know if Lebron as changed any minds, even though it's early in the season and stats are still fluctuating...

lmao, this forum is so damn anti kobe it's hilarious. Lebron is not better. All around Kobe is a better basketball player. LeBron is a better athlete:| Whooptee ****ing doo:| Who has the better jumper? Who's the better defender? Who's the better leader? Who has the higher work ethic, the most will to win? Who's the better post player? Who's better when his team NEEDS a bucket? Kobe. And I'll take that over LeBron getting chase down blocks every day of the week. The Lakers are a better basketball team than the Cavs, yes, but as the leader of the team, you take accountability when your team wins or loses. Kobe lead his team to a championship. That counts, along with your individual accomplishments.

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]lmao, this forum is so damn anti kobe it's hilarious. Lebron is not better. All around Kobe is a better basketball player. LeBron is a better athlete:| Whooptee ****ing doo:| Who has the better jumper? Who's the better defender? Who's the better leader? Who has the higher work ethic, the most will to win? Who's the better post player? Who's better when his team NEEDS a bucket? Kobe.II-FBIsniper-II

All I know is that Kobe can kill you in any way. You wanna take away the jumper? He's quick enough to go by you. He can hit the 3. He can play with his back to the basket. The footwork is impeccable. He can get to the line, he can defend, he can get you a bucket when you need it. Can you post up LeBron with his back to the basket? What does LeBron do when teams dare him to shoot? Where's LeBron's killer instinct when he senses weakness in the other team?

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"]lmao, this forum is so damn anti kobe it's hilarious. Lebron is not better. All around Kobe is a better basketball player. LeBron is a better athlete:| Whooptee ****ing doo:| Who has the better jumper? Who's the better defender? Who's the better leader? Who has the higher work ethic, the most will to win? Who's the better post player? Who's better when his team NEEDS a bucket? Kobe.-Halftime-

All I know is that Kobe can kill you in any way. You wanna take away the jumper? He's quick enough to go by you. He can hit the 3. He can play with his back to the basket. The footwork is impeccable. He can get to the line, he can defend, he can get you a bucket when you need it. Can you post up LeBron with his back to the basket? What does LeBron do when teams dare him to shoot? Where's LeBron's killer instinct when he senses weakness in the other team?

LeBron also plays on a team where he is really the only good offensive player. The Lakers have Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol, Artest, Bynum. Kobe doesn't get the number of opportunities LeBron does playing on a team with as much offensive talent as the Lakers have. Come on dude. I've been there before where Kobe was the only dude on a team and had huge statistics. I don't care about statistics. Allen Iverson led the league in steals before, I don't know anyone that thinks he's a good defender. I've seen LeBron take over a playoff game once(The amazing game against Detroit). I've seen Kobe take over games for a decade now. In the Finals, in the Western conference finals, hitting the shot against Phoenix in 06, winning the division against Portland with a buzzer beater, taking over game 4 in 2000 against Indiana, the near triple double in 2000 against Portland in game 7 when Shaq was doing jack ****, game 1 of the Finals last year, the 3 that tied game 2 of the 2004 finals with less than 10 seconds left, etc.... I've seen him lock down a teams best perimiter player. I've even seen him lock down LeBron last year.... I just don't see any of this in LeBron when it comes to the playoff season. He shot 30 something percent against Boston in 2008. He didn't light up the Eastern Conference Finals last year either. Just sayin.

LeBron is way harder to defend than Kobe is since he has improved his jumper. Also if I had to pick a player to defend Paul Pierce, Kevin Durrant, Carmello Anthony, and etc its easily LeBron.Ugalde-

And if I had to pick a player to defend them WELL, It'd be Kobe. ;)

LeBron is way harder to defend than Kobe is since he has improved his jumper. Also if I had to pick a player to defend Paul Pierce, Kevin Durrant, Carmello Anthony, and etc its easily LeBron.Ugalde-

[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]LeBron is way harder to defend than Kobe is since he has improved his jumper. Also if I had to pick a player to defend Paul Pierce, Kevin Durrant, Carmello Anthony, and etc its easily LeBron.SaintBlaze

And if I had to pick a player to defend them WELL, It'd be Kobe. ;)

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]LeBron also plays on a team where he is really the only good offensive player. The Lakers have Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol, Artest, Bynum. Kobe doesn't get the number of opportunities LeBron does playing on a team with as much offensive talent as the Lakers have. Come on dude. I've been there before where Kobe was the only dude on a team and had huge statistics. I don't care about statistics. Allen Iverson led the league in steals before, I don't know anyone that thinks he's a good defender. I've seen LeBron take over a playoff game once(The amazing game against Detroit). I've seen Kobe take over games for a decade now. In the Finals, in the Western conference finals, hitting the shot against Phoenix in 06, winning the division against Portland with a buzzer beater, taking over game 4 in 2000 against Indiana, the near triple double in 2000 against Portland in game 7 when Shaq was doing jack ****, game 1 of the Finals last year, the 3 that tied game 2 of the 2004 finals with less than 10 seconds left, etc.... I just don't see any of this in LeBron. He shot 30 something percent against Boston in 2008. He didn't light up the Eastern Conference Finals last year either. Just sayin.II-FBIsniper-II

We're not gonna change each other's mind so we'll agree to disagree. Hopefully the Lakers & Cavs meet in the Finals.

[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]LeBron is way harder to defend than Kobe is since he has improved his jumper. Also if I had to pick a player to defend Paul Pierce, Kevin Durrant, Carmello Anthony, and etc its easily LeBron.SaintBlaze

And if I had to pick a player to defend them WELL, It'd be Kobe. ;)

I've said this for 2 years now and nothing has changed my mind. I would take Lebron for the first 43 minutes of a game and Kobe for the last 5. I guess it's all subjective to who thinks which one is more important, the "vast majority" of the game or the "final" minutes. You all can decide

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[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]LeBron is way harder to defend than Kobe is since he has improved his jumper. Also if I had to pick a player to defend Paul Pierce, Kevin Durrant, Carmello Anthony, and etc its easily LeBron.Ugalde-

And if I had to pick a player to defend them WELL, It'd be Kobe. ;)

Lebron is an overrated defender. All of a sudden people are saying he's a great defender because of those highlight reel blocks? Please. :lol:

Like Halftime said earlier in the thread, if he really was a great defender, he would have stepped up against Rashard Lewis in May. Too bad he didn't.

Anyone who thinks Lebron is better than Kobe really hasn't been watching basketball long enough.

Kobe's skill >> Lebrons brute force. Kobe's got the best fadeaway in the game since MJ's, better 1 on 1 defense, better shot, better foot work.

The real comparison should be Melo/Lebron or Wade/Lebron.

LeBron is not as good, has nowhere near the polish or fundamental excellence that Kobe has all around. Just look at Kobe's footwork. He makes it look so easy. There is no weakness in Kobe's game. LeBron is still a streaky shooter and an overrated defender. -Halftime-

Kobe still can't shoot 50% for his field goals though.

Think I'll still go with Kobe based on some of the things Halftime stated (polish, footwork, post-up ability...). I'll also give credit to Lebron for improving some of the things I held against him in the past (shooting/defense).

How about we say they're both two of the best players in the NBA and leave it at that?

Kobe

Kobe right now but Lebron has the potential to surpass Kobe in the long run.

LeBron is not better. Kobe has a better shot, and is a better defensive player. Also, Kobe has something that LeBron does not, and that's a killer instinct. Jordan had it, Kobe has it, D-Wade has it, etc. Certain players have it players like Carmelo, LeBron, T-Mac, and A.I. did notWadeFan

[QUOTE="WadeFan"]LeBron is not better. Kobe has a better shot, and is a better defensive player. Also, Kobe has something that LeBron does not, and that's a killer instinct. Jordan had it, Kobe has it, D-Wade has it, etc. Certain players have it players like Carmelo, LeBron, T-Mac, and A.I. did notUgalde-

[QUOTE="Ugalde-"][QUOTE="WadeFan"]LeBron is not better. Kobe has a better shot, and is a better defensive player. Also, Kobe has something that LeBron does not, and that's a killer instinct. Jordan had it, Kobe has it, D-Wade has it, etc. Certain players have it players like Carmelo, LeBron, T-Mac, and A.I. did notMaster_Live

No because Kobe has done it in the Finals. Also Lebrick was a chump after losing to the Magic. X360PS3AMD05

I mean when he didn't shake hands..........X360PS3AMD05

Yeah that was Lebron showing no class at all. Hopefully next time he grows up.

Still he has many years ahead of him and he does have the potential to pass Kobe.

Still I'd rather have Kobe than Lebron but it would be a really tough choice.

I actually used to like LeBron... I have his jersey somewhere. I bought his and Wade's jersey awhile back. I don't wear either of them anymore, but they were half off if you bought 2 so.... Anyways, like I said, even as a huge Laker fan and Kobe fan, I used to like LeBron. Then he actually started believing he was "the king" and got incredibly arrogant and smug to the point that I couldn't stand him. Him not shaking hands last year and all this attention whoring about changing his number, playing for the knicks, or jumping to the NFL makes me hate him even more. Dude needs to shut his godamn mouth, play basketball, and prove to us he's the best in the world, not talk about "I'm a competitor so I don't shake hands" or "I could be a great tight end". No one cares about that. Grow up.-Halftime-