Los Angeles Lakers beat San Antonio Spurs 93-91 in Game 4.

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#51 Master_Live
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[QUOTE="jbrejot"]FIrst of all, STOP BEING IGNORANT YOU LAKER FANBOY MORONS. THE REFS BLOW THE WHISTLE ALL THE TIME AT THE END OF THE GAME, they just didn't blow it this time. YOU PEOPLE MUST BEING WATCHING THE WRONG GAMES IF YOU CLAIM THE REFS NEVER BLOW THEIR WHISTLES AT THE END OF THE GAME TO HELP DETERMINE THE OUTCOME, BECAUSE IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, AND SAYING THIS ISN"T SO IS RIDICULOUS AND SIMPLY PLAIN IGNORANT. And I wasn't really sure about this one, seeing as how I was sleeping most of the game, and happened to see the very end, but were the Lakers over the foul limit? If they were, it wouldn't have mattered if he was shooting or not...-Renegade

Even if it was a foul he wasn't in the act of shooting and it would have tied the game up if he hit his free throws.

SO!!!??? Then you go to something called OVERTIME.

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#52 andyboiii
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^True, after looking at the replay that ball hit the rim. Shot clock should have reset. It shouldn't even have come to a shot at the end.-Halftime-

exactly

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[QUOTE="jbrejot"]FIrst of all, STOP BEING IGNORANT YOU LAKER FANBOY MORONS. THE REFS BLOW THE WHISTLE ALL THE TIME AT THE END OF THE GAME, they just didn't blow it this time. YOU PEOPLE MUST BEING WATCHING THE WRONG GAMES IF YOU CLAIM THE REFS NEVER BLOW THEIR WHISTLES AT THE END OF THE GAME TO HELP DETERMINE THE OUTCOME, BECAUSE IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, AND SAYING THIS ISN"T SO IS RIDICULOUS AND SIMPLY PLAIN IGNORANT. And I wasn't really sure about this one, seeing as how I was sleeping most of the game, and happened to see the very end, but were the Lakers over the foul limit? If they were, it wouldn't have mattered if he was shooting or not...-Renegade

Even if it was a foul he wasn't in the act of shooting and it would have tied the game up if he hit his free throws. I don't see any of you Spurs fans complaining about the clock not being reset after Fisher hit the rim on the play right before Spurs took the ball back. If the Lakers had got a new clock this game would have still ended with a Laker win.

Says who? There could of been a steal. Maybe whoever caught it would of missed 2 FT's. Gasol had just missed 2. To say it would of turned out a Lakers win no matter is wrong. Sure the chances are in your favor but don't be saying "oh it wouldn't of mattered anyways".

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I would love to look at a few plays again

The last play - did Brent Barry shuffle his feet before the no call ?

Odom's goaltend of Parker - looked like he got the ball before it hit th backboard , and if it was clean did he foul Parker afterward anyway ?

I would just like to see them again because I didn't get a good look at them. Oh by the way ..... take a bus Timmay , he traveled that one time (even by NBA standards).

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#55 Just_Osmo
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Pop and Barry are both saying it was a no call. Doomtime

Ofcourse they are. They have to. They dont want to cry tot he media.

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#56 andyboiii
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Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

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#57 Just_Osmo
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Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

andyboiii

Fouled on inbound, miss 1 of 2 FT's. Barrys 3 point foul would have still tied it.

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#59 -Renegade
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I would love to look at a few plays again

The last play - did Brent Barry shuffle his feet before the no call ?

Odom's goaltend of Parker - looked like he got the ball before it hit th backboard , and if it was clean did he foul Parker afterward anyway ?

I would just like to see them again because I didn't get a good look at them. Oh by the way ..... take a bus Timmay , he traveled that one time (even by NBA standards).

Nike_Air

Yeah it's like I said earlier. There is so many questionable calls in this game or no calls if you will that I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal over the last play of this game.

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#60 Just_Osmo
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I would love to look at a few plays again

The last play - did Brent Barry shuffle his feet before the no call ?

Odom's goaltend of Parker - looked like he got the ball before it hit th backboard , and if it was clean did he foul Parker afterward anyway ?

I would just like to see them again because I didn't get a good look at them. Oh by the way ..... take a bus Timmay , he traveled that one time (even by NBA standards).

Nike_Air

It doesnt matter if he shuffled his feet. Theyw ere int he penalty and fisher lande don him durign the dribble. thats a foul. Game tied with 2made FTs.

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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

I would love to look at a few plays again

The last play - did Brent Barry shuffle his feet before the no call ?

Odom's goaltend of Parker - looked like he got the ball before it hit th backboard , and if it was clean did he foul Parker afterward anyway ?

I would just like to see them again because I didn't get a good look at them. Oh by the way ..... take a bus Timmay , he traveled that one time (even by NBA standards).

Just_Osmo

It doesnt matter if he shuffled his feet. Theyw ere int he penalty and fisher lande don him durign the dribble. thats a foul. Game tied with 2made FTs.

stop typing so fast

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#62 Master_Live
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Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

andyboiii

To tell you the truth I know the ball hit the rim; but I don't remember if the Spurs got the rebound in which case it wouldn't matter if the shot clock reseted. I'm trying to look for the video in youtube but no luck so far. Aside from that one call doesn't affect the other, if Barry was fouled then he was fouled.

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#63 Just_Osmo
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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

I would love to look at a few plays again

The last play - did Brent Barry shuffle his feet before the no call ?

Odom's goaltend of Parker - looked like he got the ball before it hit th backboard , and if it was clean did he foul Parker afterward anyway ?

I would just like to see them again because I didn't get a good look at them. Oh by the way ..... take a bus Timmay , he traveled that one time (even by NBA standards).

-Renegade

Yeah it's like I said earlier. There is so many questionable calls in this game or no calls if you will that I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal over the last play of this game.


Because its the last call of the game. It is what decides the game. They no call alot of calls in the earlier parts of the 4th 3rd 2nd and 2st quarters because you have to let the game play out. Its boring if it is foul foul foul foul. But when its the last play of the game and is an obvious foul. You have to make the call. Now it looks riddicuously like the NBA wants the spurs gone.

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#64 Just_Osmo
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[QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

Master_Live

To tell you the truth I know the ball hit the rim; but I don't remember if the Spurs got the rebound in which case it wouldn't matter if the shot clock reseted. I'm trying to look for the video in youtube but no luck so far. Aside from that one call doesn't affect the other, if Barry was fouled then he was fouled.

The ball was never in posesion of the spurs, the ball went off of the spurs leg out of bounds.

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W00t the lakers win! i thought they would win in six but it looks like they can win the series in five
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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

Just_Osmo

To tell you the truth I know the ball hit the rim; but I don't remember if the Spurs got the rebound in which case it wouldn't matter if the shot clock reseted. I'm trying to look for the video in youtube but no luck so far. Aside from that one call doesn't affect the other, if Barry was fouled then he was fouled.

The ball was never in posesion of the spurs, the ball went off of the spurs leg out of bounds.

LOL, the Spurs have a leg? I'd like to see that one.

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#67 andyboiii
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[QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

Just_Osmo

Fouled on inbound, miss 1 of 2 FT's. Barrys 3 point foul would have still tied it.

eerrr wrong. made 2 of 2 FT's and then game over

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[QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

Master_Live

To tell you the truth I know the ball hit the rim; but I don't remember if the Spurs got the rebound in which case it wouldn't matter if the shot clock reseted. I'm trying to look for the video in youtube but no luck so far. Aside from that one call doesn't affect the other, if Barry was fouled then he was fouled.

The ball hit the rim and then it gets knocked out of bounds by one of the Spurs players. Kobe gets the inbound but only has 2 seconds to shoot. He shoots misses and Tim grabs rebound and calls Timeout. Kobe wouldn't have had to take the quick shot if they had got a new clock like they were supposed to.

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#69 Master_Live
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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

Just_Osmo

To tell you the truth I know the ball hit the rim; but I don't remember if the Spurs got the rebound in which case it wouldn't matter if the shot clock reseted. I'm trying to look for the video in youtube but no luck so far. Aside from that one call doesn't affect the other, if Barry was fouled then he was fouled.

The ball was never in posesion of the spurs, the ball went off of the spurs leg out of bounds.

Right, the Horry one. Still no reason to screw over the Spurs. Either way the Spurs are done.

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[QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

Master_Live

To tell you the truth I know the ball hit the rim; but I don't remember if the Spurs got the rebound in which case it wouldn't matter if the shot clock reseted. I'm trying to look for the video in youtube but no luck so far. Aside from that one call doesn't affect the other, if Barry was fouled then he was fouled.

actually it would have mattered if the clock resetted because, because lakers wouldn't have had to force up a shot with 2 seconds left on the clock and instead would have got 2 FTs out of fisher or kobe

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#71 Master_Live
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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

-Renegade

To tell you the truth I know the ball hit the rim; but I don't remember if the Spurs got the rebound in which case it wouldn't matter if the shot clock reseted. I'm trying to look for the video in youtube but no luck so far. Aside from that one call doesn't affect the other, if Barry was fouled then he was fouled.

The ball hit the rim and then it gets knocked out of bounds by one of the Spurs players. Kobe gets the inbound but only has 2 seconds to shoot. He shoots misses and Tim grabs rebound and calls Timeout. Kobe wouldn't have had to take the quick shot if they had got a new clock like they were supposed to.

Agreed. But you don't try to balance the force lol. Either way the Spurs are done.

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[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

andyboiii

Fouled on inbound, miss 1 of 2 FT's. Barrys 3 point foul would have still tied it.

eerrr wrong. made 2 of 2 FT's and then game over

LOL WHAT? If my basic math skills serve me correctly, 91 + 2 (2 successfully made free throws) = 93, and 93 is the score the Lakers had before the no call, and if my basic sports knowledge serves me correctly, if two teams have the same score at the end of regulation play, overtime ensues, so EERRR WRONG, MADE 2 OF 2 FT'S AND THEN OVERTIME.

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#73 Nike_Air
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I would love to look at a few plays again

The last play - did Brent Barry shuffle his feet before the no call ?

Odom's goaltend of Parker - looked like he got the ball before it hit th backboard , and if it was clean did he foul Parker afterward anyway ?

I would just like to see them again because I didn't get a good look at them. Oh by the way ..... take a bus Timmay , he traveled that one time (even by NBA standards).

Just_Osmo

It doesnt matter if he shuffled his feet. Theyw ere int he penalty and fisher lande don him durign the dribble. thats a foul. Game tied with 2made FTs.

They would call what occurred first and look past the thing that occurred after. For example ..... lets say Duncan flys down the lane (but travels first) and then proceeds to dunk on Odom who is preparing to take a charge on Duncan but is inside the circle which would have been a foul. They would just call Duncan for the travel right ?

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#74 Just_Osmo
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[QUOTE="andyboiii"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

jbrejot

Fouled on inbound, miss 1 of 2 FT's. Barrys 3 point foul would have still tied it.

eerrr wrong. made 2 of 2 FT's and then game over

LOL WHAT? If my basic math skills serve me correctly, 91 + 2 (2 successfully made free throws) = 93, and 93 is the score the Lakers had before the no call, and if my basic sports knowledge serves me correctly, if two teams have the same score at the end of regulation play, overtime ensues, so EERRR WRONG, MADE 2 OF 2 FT'S AND THEN OVERTIME.

He is talking about if they had the shot clock reset. The spurs would have had to foul, which would have given the lakers 2 FTs. If they made both it would have been a 4 point game with 3ish seconds left.

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#75 Just_Osmo
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[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

I would love to look at a few plays again

The last play - did Brent Barry shuffle his feet before the no call ?

Odom's goaltend of Parker - looked like he got the ball before it hit th backboard , and if it was clean did he foul Parker afterward anyway ?

I would just like to see them again because I didn't get a good look at them. Oh by the way ..... take a bus Timmay , he traveled that one time (even by NBA standards).

Nike_Air

It doesnt matter if he shuffled his feet. Theyw ere int he penalty and fisher lande don him durign the dribble. thats a foul. Game tied with 2made FTs.

They would call what occurred first and look past the thing that occurred after. For example ..... lets say Duncan flys down the lane (but travels first) and then proceeds to dunk on Odom who is preparing to take a charge on Duncan but is inside the circle which would have been a foul. They would just call Duncan for the travel right ?

He didnt shuffle his feet. He was dribbling at the time that he started to move. So thats not a travel.

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[QUOTE="andyboiii"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Masterlive

What did you think about the shot clock not resetting after fishers shot hit the rim

jbrejot

Fouled on inbound, miss 1 of 2 FT's. Barrys 3 point foul would have still tied it.

eerrr wrong. made 2 of 2 FT's and then game over

LOL WHAT? If my basic math skills serve me correctly, 91 + 2 (2 successfully made free throws) = 93, and 93 is the score the Lakers had before the no call, and if my basic sports knowledge serves me correctly, if two teams have the same score at the end of regulation play, overtime ensues, so EERRR WRONG, MADE 2 OF 2 FT'S AND THEN OVERTIME.

He's talking about if Kobe or whoever else went to the line and made those 2 free throws, that would have made it a two possession game and a Spurs 3 wouldn't have mattered. Please learn how to read before trying to bash someone.

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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

I would love to look at a few plays again

The last play - did Brent Barry shuffle his feet before the no call ?

Odom's goaltend of Parker - looked like he got the ball before it hit th backboard , and if it was clean did he foul Parker afterward anyway ?

I would just like to see them again because I didn't get a good look at them. Oh by the way ..... take a bus Timmay , he traveled that one time (even by NBA standards).

Just_Osmo

It doesnt matter if he shuffled his feet. Theyw ere int he penalty and fisher lande don him durign the dribble. thats a foul. Game tied with 2made FTs.

They would call what occurred first and look past the thing that occurred after. For example ..... lets say Duncan flys down the lane (but travels first) and then proceeds to dunk on Odom who is preparing to take a charge on Duncan but is inside the circle which would have been a foul. They would just call Duncan for the travel right ?

He didnt shuffle his feet. He was dribbling at the time that he started to move. So thats not a travel.

He would have had to stop dribbling to pick the ball up to shoot it , and he didn't shoot it right away because he saw Fisher and in the process might have shuffled his feet before there was contact or a shot attempt. I didn't get a great look at it , but I was just curious if anyone looked at it closely because I just saw something that caught my eye at a glance.

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#78 Just_Osmo
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[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

I would love to look at a few plays again

The last play - did Brent Barry shuffle his feet before the no call ?

Odom's goaltend of Parker - looked like he got the ball before it hit th backboard , and if it was clean did he foul Parker afterward anyway ?

I would just like to see them again because I didn't get a good look at them. Oh by the way ..... take a bus Timmay , he traveled that one time (even by NBA standards).

Nike_Air

It doesnt matter if he shuffled his feet. Theyw ere int he penalty and fisher lande don him durign the dribble. thats a foul. Game tied with 2made FTs.

They would call what occurred first and look past the thing that occurred after. For example ..... lets say Duncan flys down the lane (but travels first) and then proceeds to dunk on Odom who is preparing to take a charge on Duncan but is inside the circle which would have been a foul. They would just call Duncan for the travel right ?

He didnt shuffle his feet. He was dribbling at the time that he started to move. So thats not a travel.

He would have had to stop dribbling to pick the ball up to shoot it , and he didn't shoot it right away because he saw Fisher and in the process might have shuffled his feet before there was contact or a shot attempt. I didn't get a great look at it , but I was just curious if anyone looked at it closely because I just saw something that caught my eye at a glance.

He was founded during his drible. he shot faked fisher jumped in the air Barry started a dribble and fisher landed on top of him, at which time barry went into the shooting motion. It wasnt a shooting foul, but it was a non shooting foul which would have been 2 FT's because the lakers were in the penalty.

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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

He would have had to stop dribbling to pick the ball up to shoot it , and he didn't shoot it right away because he saw Fisher and in the process might have shuffled his feet before there was contact or a shot attempt. I didn't get a great look at it , but I was just curious if anyone looked at it closely because I just saw something that caught my eye at a glance.

Just_Osmo

He was founded during his drible. he shot faked fisher jumped in the air Barry started a dribble and fisher landed on top of him, at which time barry went into the shooting motion. It wasnt a shooting foul, but it was a non shooting foul which would have been 2 FT's because the lakers were in the penalty.

If you watch the replay you can see Barry leaning in towards Fisher. I have rewinded it a few times.

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#80 Just_Osmo
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[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

He would have had to stop dribbling to pick the ball up to shoot it , and he didn't shoot it right away because he saw Fisher and in the process might have shuffled his feet before there was contact or a shot attempt. I didn't get a great look at it , but I was just curious if anyone looked at it closely because I just saw something that caught my eye at a glance.

-Renegade

He was founded during his drible. he shot faked fisher jumped in the air Barry started a dribble and fisher landed on top of him, at which time barry went into the shooting motion. It wasnt a shooting foul, but it was a non shooting foul which would have been 2 FT's because the lakers were in the penalty.

If you watch the replay you can see Barry leaning in towards Fisher. I have rewinded it a few times.

..and? Thats still a foul. Dont you watch the NBA? Those get called several times a game.

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#81 cards
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Interesting game. There was no foul at the end of that game.

The refs bailed out the spurs in the 2nd quarter and that also impacted the tempo of the game for the spurs.. They're lucky to have had a chance at all at the end. That game was heading towards a repeat of game two.

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good job once again from Kobe. nice to see Odom steps up as well.

oh, and this game shows the reason why Manu is not even close to being the top SGs out there, as some people around here fantastically claim ;)

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#83 ASK_Story
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Barry was fouled. Actually, there were a lot of calls that didn't go Spurs way.

And was Ginobli even playing today? It seemed like he wasn't there. Is he inconsisten do you think? He does great one game but then chokes the next. That's why they lost.

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#84 cards
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That spur player was not fouled. Now if he went and shot the ball instead of dribbling then yes.

Again the fact is the spurs got a strange amount of calls that got them back in the game without that they wouldn't have been that close at the end. The calls helped the spurs slow down the tempo of the game.

I don't know exactly how many fouls certain players of the Lakers had in the 2nd period ,but that Odom did have a high number of fouls on him in that period. It seems that would have an impact on how aggressive the Lakers defense could play.

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]We one win away baby:DJust_Osmo

Due to the refs giving it away. that was a 3 shot foul no called. Quite BS if you ask me. Enjoy your unearned win.

Osmo, that foul wasn't in the act of shooting. And Phil made a great point at the press conference. The previous play while Laker's possession, the ball hit the rim and they had the rebound so it would've been a fresh 24, but instead was called the other way.
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This is why I don't watch basketabll.
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#87 Just_Osmo
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good job once again from Kobe. nice to see Odom steps up as well.

oh, and this game shows the reason why Manu is not even close to being the top SGs out there, as some people around here fantastically claim ;)

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You do know Manu is injured right?

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#88 Just_Osmo
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[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]We one win away baby:DSolid_Snake_7

Due to the refs giving it away. that was a 3 shot foul no called. Quite BS if you ask me. Enjoy your unearned win.

Osmo, that foul wasn't in the act of shooting. And Phil made a great point at the press conference. The previous play while Laker's possession, the ball hit the rim and they had the rebound so it would've been a fresh 24, but instead was called the other way.

It doesnt matter if he was in the act. Fisher jumped intot he air and landed on top of barry during his dribble. Thats a foul and they were in the penalty. Which is 2 FTs.

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[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]

good job once again from Kobe. nice to see Odom steps up as well.

oh, and this game shows the reason why Manu is not even close to being the top SGs out there, as some people around here fantastically claim ;)

Just_Osmo

You do know Manu is injured right?

am i s'posed to know something that didn't even happen?

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#90 Just_Osmo
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[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]

good job once again from Kobe. nice to see Odom steps up as well.

oh, and this game shows the reason why Manu is not even close to being the top SGs out there, as some people around here fantastically claim ;)

Jinroh_basic

You do know Manu is injured right?

am i s'posed to know something that didn't even happen?

He has been playing on an injured Ankle the entire playoffs. Link to an Article that Mentions the Injury

Manu Ginobili brushed off the questions as if they were insults. The usually gregarious Argentine became more annoyed with each query about his sore left ankle or his torn fingernail, as if they were shots at his manhood. He would have rather been called terrible than injured.

"I don't want to talk about the injury," he kept saying. "It's not about the injury. I just played terrible."Sport Illustrated

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oh you mean that injury which every Spurs fan is happy to conveniently forget everytime he plays well, like for instance, err....2 days ago?
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oh you mean that injury which every Spurs fan is happy to conveniently forget everytime he plays well, like for instance, err....2 days ago? Jinroh_basic

He was shooting well from the outside that game. He still has no driving power. He can't get to the hoop anymore like he usually can. I'm not even a spurs fan and I want them to lose but its obvious he isnt the same.

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WOW its amazing how many people didnt think it was a foul at the end of the game. Shooting foul NO, Foul on the ground, Obvious YES. Check the vid below. Other than that the game was fun to watch and it was tight on both sides of the court. Spurs missed way too many layups and easy shots and that is what killed them. Kobe, WHAT THE HELL WAS HE THINKING AT THE END OF THE GAME FORCING IT WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO SEND HIM TO THE LINE. If the Spurs won that game it would have been on Kobe's shoulders for trying to..........Well I dont know what he was trying to do but I can tell you he wasnt thinking straight. Good game but Barry should of got 2 free throws at the end and you know if that was Kobe he would of got all 3 free throws. Sucks but hey its the WWENBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6i34sVvzpQ

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[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]oh you mean thatinjury which every Spurs fan is happy to conveniently forget everytime he plays well, like for instance, err....2 days ago? Just_Osmo

He was shooting well from the outside that game. He still has no driving power. He can't get to the hoop anymore like he usually can. I'm not even a spurs fan and I want them to lose but its obvious he isnt the same.

i find your reasoning quite contradictory. he did well coz he's good and he did bad coz it's injury. gosh does it sound like it an excuse or what?

and allow me to be as frank as possible here -- no matter the condition, Manu Ginobili is a FAR cry from being one of the top SGs out there. i have no problem if people feel like shoulder slapping a 6th man who comes out to play occasionally, but yall gotta excuse me as i can't take my eyes off a whole bunch of full-fledged SGs whose commanding presence leaves absolutely no room for doubt.

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[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]oh you mean thatinjury which every Spurs fan is happy to conveniently forget everytime he plays well, like for instance, err....2 days ago? Jinroh_basic

He was shooting well from the outside that game. He still has no driving power. He can't get to the hoop anymore like he usually can. I'm not even a spurs fan and I want them to lose but its obvious he isnt the same.

i find your reasoning quite contradictory. he did well coz he's good and he did bad coz it's injury. gosh does it sound like it an excuse or what?

and allow me to be as frank as possible here -- no matter the condition, Manu Ginobili is a FAR cry from being one of the top SGs out there. i have no problem if people feel like shoulder slapping a 6th man who comes out to play occasionally, but yall gotta excuse me as i can't take my eyes off a whole bunch of full-fledged SGs whose commanding presence leaves absolutely no room for doubt.

If Ginobili is injured then he injured and it showed last night. Sometimes you can play injured well but sometimes you just cant and your body wont let you. Pop should have taken him out. Your acting like Ginobili is a nobody with 3 nba titles, gold medal, italian title and a eurppean title. He plays hard and when he is at full strength he is at the top of the league. Let me remind you that Ginobili carried the Spurs when Duncan was out and when Parker was out. He probably could score more points and fill up his stat line but he is happy with winning since that is all that matters. When Kobe is hurt and has a bad game you would back him up too. Still its Pops fault for allowing him to play injured when he wasnt producing at all. A player like Ginobili will play through it no matter what, just like Kobe.

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#96 Just_Osmo
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[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]oh you mean thatinjury which every Spurs fan is happy to conveniently forget everytime he plays well, like for instance, err....2 days ago? Jinroh_basic

He was shooting well from the outside that game. He still has no driving power. He can't get to the hoop anymore like he usually can. I'm not even a spurs fan and I want them to lose but its obvious he isnt the same.

i find your reasoning quite contradictory. he did well coz he's good and he did bad coz it's injury. gosh does it sound like it an excuse or what?

and allow me to be as frank as possible here -- no matter the condition, Manu Ginobili is a FAR cry from being one of the top SGs out there. i have no problem if people feel like shoulder slapping a 6th man who comes out to play occasionally, but yall gotta excuse me as i can't take my eyes off a whole bunch of full-fledged SGs whose commanding presence leaves absolutely no room for doubt.

I said he cant get to the basket like he used to with his ankle. He cant drive to the basket. The one game he did well in was just an amazing shooting night for him which doesnt involve any hard use of the ankle. So I dont seem how that is contracting the other. He just had it going and was hitting outside shots. He sitll is hurt and cant keep upt hat shooting as we saw last night. Without his driving ability to the basket he is more of a liability then anything.

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If people think the No-call was the sole reason the Spurs lost, then they have a problem. If Ginobili's injury is an excuse, then so is Andrew Bynum's.

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the refs put their whistles in their pockets at the end of games and let it play out. they dont want to be the ones making a game changing call at the end of the game. it definitley should have been called a foul and i think the refs need to start being more consistant with their foul calling.
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#99 Just_Osmo
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If people think the No-call was the sole reason the Spurs lost, then they have a problem. If Ginobili's injury is an excuse, then so is Andrew Bynum's.

waynehead895

No one used his injury as an excuse. Why dont you read the posts before talking. someone just poped in and said ginobli sucks and shouldnt be considered a good player. I just let them know that he has been playign with an injury hence his bad production. Plus no one used that foul as an excuse as to why they lost. They had lost that game by letting it get away early. but there is no doubt in my mind that that was a 2 shot foul and could have posibly tied the game for OT. The Refs are obviously not callinggames consitantly. One thing s a foul one game and the next game it is not. It shouldnt matter if its the last play or the first play if you call it once you have to call it everytime.

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#100 waynehead895
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[QUOTE="waynehead895"]

If people think the No-call was the sole reason the Spurs lost, then they have a problem. If Ginobili's injury is an excuse, then so is Andrew Bynum's.

Just_Osmo

No one used his injury as an excuse. Why dont you read the posts before talking. someone just poped in and said ginobli sucks and shouldnt be considered a good player. I just let them know that he has been playign with an injury hence his bad production. Plus no one used that foul as an excuse as to why they lost. They had lost that game by letting it get away early. but there is no doubt in my mind that that was a 2 shot foul and could have posibly tied the game for OT. The Refs are obviously not callinggames consitantly. One thing s a foul one game and the next game it is not. It shouldnt matter if its the last play or the first play if you call it once you have to call it everytime.

I'm not saying on here was. But it's been brought up many many times from Spurs fans and Skip Bayless about Ginobili being hurt. There is no doubt in my mind Kobe would've made 2 FT's after Fisher's shot grazed the rim making it a 2 posession lead and impossible to come back from with 2.1 seconds.