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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"] Uh, exactly what does that matter? Again, if it took Moss 16 full games to beat that, how does that prove he is better? All it means is that Jerry unfortunaley had his best statistically sound season in a cut short year. He could have had close to 30 with 4 more games. The thing with Moss was that he had the POTENTIAL to be the best. Did he act on it? No, end of story. Moss is great for the deep ball, but Jerry could turn any 5 yd pass to a TD. His MVP performance in SB XXIII with over 200 yds and a TD, is more than enough to prove his dominance. Most TDs ever, clutch performances, 3 SB rings, an unmatched work ethic, and so on, proves he is without a doubt the best ever. So what if he played for so long? All that proves is that he refused to go down, and that is taking into account the 2 near career ending injuries he suffered. He made all of his records with the niners, which was for 15 years.

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Jerry Rice had Joe Montana and Steve Young throwing to him... who did Randy Moss have? Dante Culpepper? LMAO! Tom Brady was once just a good QB who threw like 25 touchdowns a season, then all the sudden he gets Randy Moss and he gets 50 TDs.... Randy Moss makes a Hall of Fame Quarterback break records, while Jerry Rice just has a HOF break his records. Not saying Rice is not capable but let's face it Rice was with the 49ers for his career and had Steve Young, Joe Montana and eventually Rich Gannon. Moss has had NO one until Tom Brady (who Moss made a record breaker - not th other way around) and still broke records (17 TDs in a rookie season). But the big difference is what you mentioned - Jerry Rice has much more work ethic, which is why I'd choose him over Moss even though Moss is better. I'd rather choose a man who will give his all everytime than a dude who wants to go home with 19-0 on the line.

If you agree, then how can you say Rice is not the best? He did that all in an unfriendly passing game league to boot. Moss supporters only can talk about could have would have situations. With Jerry Rice, you saw it get done.

You saw it get done with Randy Moss too. But Rice has better work ethic, and gives his all. Moss is a lazy bum who wasted all his talent. The top 2 offensive teams of all time - the 2007 Patriots and 1998 Vikings, both had Moss in them. Coincidence? No. But Moss was lazy and never gave it his all in big games, which is why I'd choose Jerry over Randy even though Randy is better.

Randy Moss made Matt Cassell seem like a Pro Bowl Quarterback.... Matt Cassell.

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Jerry Rice had Joe Montana and Steve Young throwing to him... who did Randy Moss have? Dante Culpepper? LMAO! Tom Brady was once just a good QB who threw like 25 touchdowns a season, then all the sudden he gets Randy Moss and he gets 50 TDs.... Randy Moss makes a Hall of Fame Quarterback break records, while Jerry Rice just has a HOF break his records. Not saying Rice is not capable but let's face it Rice was with the 49ers for his career and had Steve Young, Joe Montana and eventually Rich Gannon. Moss has had NO one until Tom Brady (who Moss made a record breaker - not th other way around) and still broke records (17 TDs in a rookie season). But the big difference is what you mentioned - Jerry Rice has much more work ethic, which is why I'd choose him over Moss even though Moss is better. I'd rather choose a man who will give his all everytime than a dude who wants to go home with 19-0 on the line.

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If you agree, then how can you say Rice is not the best? He did that all in an unfriendly passing game league to boot. Moss supporters only can talk about could have would have situations. With Jerry Rice, you saw it get done.

You saw it get done with Randy Moss too. But Rice has better work ethic, and gives his all. Moss is a lazy bum who wasted all his talent. The top 2 offensive teams of all time - the 2007 Patriots and 1998 Vikings, both had Moss in them. Coincidence? No. But Moss was lazy and never gave it his all in big games, which is why I'd choose Jerry over Randy even though Randy is better.

Randy Moss made Matt Cassell seem like a Pro Bowl Quarterback.... Matt Cassell.

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If you agree, then how can you say Rice is not the best? He did that all in an unfriendly passing game league to boot. Moss supporters only can talk about could have would have situations. With Jerry Rice, you saw it get done.

Renegade_Fury

You saw it get done with Randy Moss too. But Rice has better work ethic, and gives his all. Moss is a lazy bum who wasted all his talent. The top 2 offensive teams of all time - the 2007 Patriots and 1998 Vikings, both had Moss in them. Coincidence? No. But Moss was lazy and never gave it his all in big games, which is why I'd choose Jerry over Randy even though Randy is better.

Randy Moss made Matt Cassell seem like a Pro Bowl Quarterback.... Matt Cassell.

Elvis' best seasons weren't even in San Francisco... it was with the Chiefs and Ravens. Elvis was a pretty good QB too from what I remember (watching him as a Raven). Matt Cassell had to come out of nowhere and Randy Moss helped him get to be respected.

Matt Cassell hasn't started a game since High School. Randy Moss helps turn him into a pro bowl worthy MVP. The Patriots put the franchise tag on him cause demand for him was so high.

Tom Brady never had more than 28 TD passes in a season. Randy Moss helps break records with him. Tom threw 50 that year.

Does anybody even remember Randy's Vikings quarterbacks? Daunte Culpepper is nothing more than a joke now (without Moss).

Jerry Rice had Joe Montana, Steve Young and Rich Gannon throw to him.

Even though Randy Moss is much, much better than Rice as I said I would still choose Rice though, simply because I prefer winning to talent.

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You saw it get done with Randy Moss too. But Rice has better work ethic, and gives his all. Moss is a lazy bum who wasted all his talent. The top 2 offensive teams of all time - the 2007 Patriots and 1998 Vikings, both had Moss in them. Coincidence? No. But Moss was lazy and never gave it his all in big games, which is why I'd choose Jerry over Randy even though Randy is better.

Randy Moss made Matt Cassell seem like a Pro Bowl Quarterback.... Matt Cassell.

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Elvis' best seasons weren't even in San Francisco... it was with the Chiefs and Ravens. Elvis was a pretty good QB too from what I remember (watching him as a Raven). Matt Cassell had to come out of nowhere and Randy Moss helped him get to be respected.

Matt Cassell hasn't started a game since High School. Randy Moss helps turn him into a pro bowl worthy MVP. The Patriots put the franchise tag on him cause demand for him was so high.

Tom Brady never had more than 28 TD passes in a season. Randy Moss helps break records with him.

Jerry Rice had Joe Montana, Steve Young and Rich Gannon throw to him.

Even though Randy Moss is much, much better than Rice as I said I would still choose Rice though, simply because I prefer winning to talent.

It was 1995, and he was never that good. Your arguement is full of holes. First you say Moss's 23 TD's in 16 games is superior to Jerry getting 22 in 12 games. You then fault him for never scoring more than that. WTF seriously, you act as if Moss does that every year in this pass friendly league. Oh, wait he doesn't. Then you claim you would take Jerry over Moss if he has superior work ethic. Ok, then how can you can you not say Rice is better? Wouldn't logic dicate you would go with the superior player? Then you try to feed me that he makes bad QB's look good. News flash, any good WR can do that, especially when the surrounding cast is SB caliber. I just gave you an example. If anything, your arguement is working more in favor of defending Brady's skills. I think I'm done here especially after reading Free Marxet's comments.

It was 1995, and he was never that good. Renegade_Fury

Elvis was good, as was proven with the Chiefs and Ravens.

Your arguement is full of holes.Renegade_Fury

No it is not.

First you say Moss's 23 TD's in 16 games is superior to Jerry getting 22 in 12 games.Renegade_Fury

No I did not.

You then fault him for never scoring more than that. Renegade_Fury

And you fault Moss for never playing in a 12 or game season.

WTF seriously, you act as if Moss does that every year in this pass friendly league. Renegade_Fury

Moss broke records before the 23 TD season (17 TDs as a rookie for example).

Oh, wait he doesn't. Then you claim you would take Jerry over Moss if he has superior work ethic. Ok, then how can you can you not say Rice is better? Wouldn't logic dicate you would go with the superior player?Renegade_Fury

No, it wouldn't. Moss is the superior player, but talent does not equal winning. I prefer winning and Rice is better at that, though Moss is a better player. As good as Peyton Manning is for example, I wouldn't want him on my team because he is a postseason loser (even in his Super Bowl season, he was horrendous).

Then you try to feed me that he makes bad QB's look good. News flash, any good WR can do that, especially when the surrounding cast is SB caliber.Renegade_Fury

Tom Brady had Super Bowl caliber cast for most of his career (hello, they won 3 SBs) yet Tom never had a season with over 30 TD seasons until Randy Moss came.

Cool story, bro. You sure you don't work for Peter King? Feel free to think Moss is better yet isn't a better winner, whatever the **** that is supposed to mean. I'm watching football now.

Cool story, bro. You sure you don't work for Peter King? Feel free to think Moss is better yet isn't a better winner, whatever the **** that is supposed to mean. I'm watching football now.

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Moss is more talented than Jerry Rice, but he is lazier. Later.

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The problem with Moss is that he is lazy. He even admitted it (I play only when I want to play). This is why you lost the Super Bowl - Moss didn't care (even said he wanted to go home before the Super Bowl). He did this to the Vikings in the late 90's too, when they went 15-1, had a record breaking offense and lost in the NFC Championship game.

And yeah Jon is quite a character... I really wish Al Davis didn't get rid of him but Al was starting to suffer from Alzheimer's or something.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRBVpZOy_98

If Randy Moss wasn't on the 1998 Vikings I might have not made that point... but he has a history of being in record breaking offenses that choke.

Moss is still his old lazy self in New England still, by the way. Yeah he is a little better but he is still Randy Moss. A bunch of wasted talent.

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The music city miracle always sticks out in my mind because it was such an obvious forward pass.

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The ball was thrown behind the 25 yard line and caught after the 25 yard line, science tells me thats a forward pass.

Uh huh... That's why when they looked at it for review and showed it multiple times, it was RIGHT DOWN THE LINE! It couldn't have been a more perfect throw by a TE, that by rule, is considered a lateral. And seriously, how many years ago was this? It's not like the Bills would have done anything anyway had they actually won the game.

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[QUOTE="Mister__Awesome"] He is not the reason we lost the Super Bowl lmao. He had the potential game winning catch (5 rec for 62 yards and the go ahead TD in the 4th Quarter). Randy Moss is not the reason why we lost the Super Bowl. Also to say he didn't care? I want a link and proof of him saying he did not care about the Super Bowl. He said "I play only when I want to play" in his old teams, thing is with the Patriots Belichick checks the ego and removes characteristics like that, so that Moss you speak of is long gone from New England, this is a new Randy Moss.Mister__Awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRBVpZOy_98

If Randy Moss wasn't on the 1998 Vikings I might have not made that point... but he has a history of being in record breaking offenses that choke.

Moss is still his old lazy self in New England still, by the way. Yeah he is a little better but he is still Randy Moss. A bunch of wasted talent.

Randy Moss has a lot of talent but isn't a winner, that's the thing. Well, really, the Patriots should've won that Super Bowl but once they went for it on 4th and 11 or whatever during the second quarter (or third) instead of a field goal I knew they were going to lose. Arrogance and laziness combined is not a good thing.

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[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"] lol :roll: There have been SCIENTIFIC studies showing it was a lateral. Get over it. nickdastick

The ball was thrown behind the 25 yard line and caught after the 25 yard line, science tells me thats a forward pass.

Uh huh... That's why when they looked at it for review and showed it multiple times, it was RIGHT DOWN THE LINE! It couldn't have been a more perfect throw by a TE, that by rule, is considered a lateral. And seriously, how many years ago was this? It's not like the Bills would have done anything anyway had they actually won the game.

I think it's best for the Bills they lost that game. Imagine them going to the Super Bowl just to lose again (and what if they lost it the same way the Titans did? Wow). "Bills" does stand for Boy I Love Losing Superbowls.