New England Patriots--First 16-0* season ever

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#1 murlow12
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I thought I'd take a cue from the Jaguars' website and include the asterisk. Apparently the website had the asterisk up for 4 months until it became newsworthy this week. I think it's hilarious, and it doesn't surprise me that Pats fan went crazy over it. The fact is they cheated and got caught, so is an asterisk appropriate?

*Patriots were caught cheating in one game, resulting in the largest punishment in NFL history.

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#2 KingOfKonging
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Ugh.

I will vote for whatever category you want me to vote for. I can't argue with bitter, angry fans anymore.

I never, NEVER though I'd empathize with the Yankees fans that so hated us for years for doing what we did to them (hated them for being "winners.") Thanks to the recent success of my team coupled with the speed of the internet that has become a sobering reality for me, and I really do feel like an idiot for all the years I spent hating them for what I now know to be no good reason. Karma, I guess - and it has run full speed right into my face.

Anyway, yeah, sure. An asterisk. A giant star, a red blotch. The Pats didn't deserve any of it. They suck. They're overrated. BB is the Devil.

Whatever you want man. Whatever you want.

We really don't know what else to say. When we shrug off the hate we're arrogant. When we debate sensibly we're a-holes.

So, you win. There's no way to possibly argue with every angry opposing fan, it just isn't possible. I'm mean, forget the fact that they didn't actually cheat this season, right? No. No, that would be too reasonable.

I'll just do what I've always done. Watch and love my team. You do whatever it is you do that makes you happy, and we'll both feel good. Deal?

So, I voted "YES" in your poll, for no other reason that to try to satisfy you. I'm ignoring all sensible debate, discourse, and am voting for the option that'll give me the smallest headache in the long run.

EDIT: Gotta love the fact that you have to edit your post a million times to insert spaces on this site.

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#3 -Halftime-
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I'm indifferent. Yeah, they got caught cheating, & they were rightfully punished. IDK if they're season deserves an asterisk or not though. I'll leave that up to the record books to decide.
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#4 Blackfriend8
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the pats got caught cheating got punished for it and went 16-0 deal with it its over and done with
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forget the fact that they didn't actually cheat this season, right? No. No, that would be too reasonable.KingOfKonging

What are you talking about? Do you really believe that they didn't cheat against the Jets. Do you think the whole thing was a conspiracy? Please tell me I just misunderstood that statement.

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[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]forget the fact that they didn't actually cheat this season, right? No. No, that would be too reasonable.murlow12

What are you talking about? Do you really believe that they didn't cheat against the Jets. Do you think the whole thing was a conspiracy? Please tell me I just misunderstood that statement.

They videotaped the Jets.

Something many other NFL teams and insiders know has been done for years.
Hell the Jets have videotaped other teams.

It it also widely known that the videotape made during the game would have in no way benefited the Patriots.

The Patriots were punished more for their arrogance then the actual act.

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[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]forget the fact that they didn't actually cheat this season, right? No. No, that would be too reasonable.murlow12

What are you talking about? Do you really believe that they didn't cheat against the Jets. Do you think the whole thing was a conspiracy? Please tell me I just misunderstood that statement.

They did not get to use the signals they were taping during this season. They were caught during the first game.

Apparently you don't know how it works.

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Ugh.

I will vote for whatever category you want me to vote for. I can't argue with bitter, angry fans anymore.

I never, NEVER though I'd empathize with the Yankees fans that so hated us for years for doing what we did to them (hated them for being "winners.") Thanks to the recent success of my team coupled with the speed of the internet that has become a sobering reality for me, and I really do feel like an idiot for all the years I spent hating them for what I now know to be no good reason. Karma, I guess - and it has run full speed right into my face.

Anyway, yeah, sure. An asterisk. A giant star, a red blotch. The Pats didn't deserve any of it. They suck. They're overrated. BB is the Devil.

Whatever you want man. Whatever you want.

We really don't know what else to say. When we shrug off the hate we're arrogant. When we debate sensibly we're a-holes.

So, you win. There's no way to possibly argue with every angry opposing fan, it just isn't possible. I'm mean, forget the fact that they didn't actually cheat this season, right? No. No, that would be too reasonable.

I'll just do what I've always done. Watch and love my team. You do whatever it is you do that makes you happy, and we'll both feel good. Deal?

So, I voted "YES" in your poll, for no other reason that to try to satisfy you. I'm ignoring all sensible debate, discourse, and am voting for the option that'll give me the smallest headache in the long run.

EDIT: Gotta love the fact that you have to edit your post a million times to insert spaces on this site.

KingOfKonging

Chill dude. Read the article. The Jags guy did it as a joke when he first started doing the power rankings. Noone noticed it for four months. Now that Jags are playing the Pats, the media is making a big deal out of it so he removed it. It was just a joke.

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#9 dkhw
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I don't know, but how is video taping signals at that game supposed to help the Pats win? These NFL teams change signals every half, and some paranoid teams, every quater. Also, even if it is a advantage, I don't think it's that big. Player talent and excellent coaching wins games.
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#10 darkodonnie
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If the Patriots were caught sometime in the middle of the season I'd support the *. However, they were caught in the first game when they had no time to use what they had filmed so I feel they have been punished enough (this is coming from a Jets fan).
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#11 mrgab
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When it happened, I believed and still think should been a forfeit as a true punishment, not the fine which doesnt mean anything to a billionaire or lose of 1st rounder which they had 2 so.... Even at the time, some Patriot fans agreed with that. But its too late now.
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#12 Cube_of_MooN
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I don't thinks so. The Patriots were good enough to win that gane anyway.
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#13 atlflcns7_2004
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I agree, even without the 'cheating' they would have won the games anyway. They deserve the unmarked 16-0
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#14 Just_Osmo
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I will refrain from posting anything. KingofKonging can handle this one. Take it away bro.
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#15 monkeytoes61
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I bet that every team in the NFL has done this at one time or another. People are just making a big deal because they envy the Patriot's greatness. Juts let it go.
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#17 mastershake575
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[QUOTE="murlow12"]

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]forget the fact that they didn't actually cheat this season, right? No. No, that would be too reasonable.Herrdoktor

What are you talking about? Do you really believe that they didn't cheat against the Jets. Do you think the whole thing was a conspiracy? Please tell me I just misunderstood that statement.

Something many other NFL teams and insiders know has been done for years.
Hell the Jets have videotaped other teams.

They were video taping the end zones which is legal they were just recording from an illegal spot.

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#18 murlow12
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[QUOTE="murlow12"]

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]forget the fact that they didn't actually cheat this season, right? No. No, that would be too reasonable.Herrdoktor

What are you talking about? Do you really believe that they didn't cheat against the Jets. Do you think the whole thing was a conspiracy? Please tell me I just misunderstood that statement.

They videotaped the Jets.

Something many other NFL teams and insiders know has been done for years.
Hell the Jets have videotaped other teams.

It it also widely known that the videotape made during the game would have in no way benefited the Patriots.

The Patriots were punished more for their arrogance then the actual act.

Talk about dilusional. They were punished for breaking NFL rules. It really doesn't get more straightforward than that.
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[QUOTE="Herrdoktor"][QUOTE="murlow12"]

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]forget the fact that they didn't actually cheat this season, right? No. No, that would be too reasonable.murlow12

What are you talking about? Do you really believe that they didn't cheat against the Jets. Do you think the whole thing was a conspiracy? Please tell me I just misunderstood that statement.

They videotaped the Jets.

Something many other NFL teams and insiders know has been done for years.
Hell the Jets have videotaped other teams.

It it also widely known that the videotape made during the game would have in no way benefited the Patriots.

The Patriots were punished more for their arrogance then the actual act.

Talk about dilusional. They were punished for breaking NFL rules. It really doesn't get more straightforward than that.

it did nothing to help them win.

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#20 Luke-85
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Like the Jets would have won if the Pats didn't cheat, no asterisk.

Bengals are better

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#22 gatorforlife07
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no I dont there should
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#23 manningbowl135
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[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

Ugh.

I will vote for whatever category you want me to vote for. I can't argue with bitter, angry fans anymore.

I never, NEVER though I'd empathize with the Yankees fans that so hated us for years for doing what we did to them (hated them for being "winners.") Thanks to the recent success of my team coupled with the speed of the internet that has become a sobering reality for me, and I really do feel like an idiot for all the years I spent hating them for what I now know to be no good reason. Karma, I guess - and it has run full speed right into my face.

Anyway, yeah, sure. An asterisk. A giant star, a red blotch. The Pats didn't deserve any of it. They suck. They're overrated. BB is the Devil.

Whatever you want man. Whatever you want.

We really don't know what else to say. When we shrug off the hate we're arrogant. When we debate sensibly we're a-holes.

So, you win. There's no way to possibly argue with every angry opposing fan, it just isn't possible. I'm mean, forget the fact that they didn't actually cheat this season, right? No. No, that would be too reasonable.

I'll just do what I've always done. Watch and love my team. You do whatever it is you do that makes you happy, and we'll both feel good. Deal?

So, I voted "YES" in your poll, for no other reason that to try to satisfy you. I'm ignoring all sensible debate, discourse, and am voting for the option that'll give me the smallest headache in the long run.

EDIT: Gotta love the fact that you have to edit your post a million times to insert spaces on this site.

Luke-85

Chill dude. Read the article. The Jags guy did it as a joke when he first started doing the power rankings. Noone noticed it for four months. Now that Jags are playing the Pats, the media is making a big deal out of it so he removed it. It was just a joke.

TAKE THAT RING OUT OF YOUR SIG!!!

HAHAHAHA

Why? :|

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#24 rabidwolf86
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i'm not gonna hate on the pats if they lose then they lose, but i'm gonna sit back and enjoy something i may never see again in my lifetime.
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#25 Luke-85
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[QUOTE="Luke-85"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

Ugh.

I will vote for whatever category you want me to vote for. I can't argue with bitter, angry fans anymore.

I never, NEVER though I'd empathize with the Yankees fans that so hated us for years for doing what we did to them (hated them for being "winners.") Thanks to the recent success of my team coupled with the speed of the internet that has become a sobering reality for me, and I really do feel like an idiot for all the years I spent hating them for what I now know to be no good reason. Karma, I guess - and it has run full speed right into my face.

Anyway, yeah, sure. An asterisk. A giant star, a red blotch. The Pats didn't deserve any of it. They suck. They're overrated. BB is the Devil.

Whatever you want man. Whatever you want.

We really don't know what else to say. When we shrug off the hate we're arrogant. When we debate sensibly we're a-holes.

So, you win. There's no way to possibly argue with every angry opposing fan, it just isn't possible. I'm mean, forget the fact that they didn't actually cheat this season, right? No. No, that would be too reasonable.

I'll just do what I've always done. Watch and love my team. You do whatever it is you do that makes you happy, and we'll both feel good. Deal?

So, I voted "YES" in your poll, for no other reason that to try to satisfy you. I'm ignoring all sensible debate, discourse, and am voting for the option that'll give me the smallest headache in the long run.

EDIT: Gotta love the fact that you have to edit your post a million times to insert spaces on this site.

manningbowl135

Chill dude. Read the article. The Jags guy did it as a joke when he first started doing the power rankings. Noone noticed it for four months. Now that Jags are playing the Pats, the media is making a big deal out of it so he removed it. It was just a joke.

TAKE THAT RING OUT OF YOUR SIG!!!

HAHAHAHA

Why? :|

That'd be like me putting a 1988 Bengals Superbowl ring in my sig.

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#26 manningbowl135
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[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Luke-85"]

TAKE THAT RING OUT OF YOUR SIG!!!

HAHAHAHA

Luke-85

Why? :|

That'd be like me putting a 1988 Bengals Superbowl ring in my sig.

Sure do it. It's a symbol of my favorite team's championship success. They haven't lost that so...

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touche, I WILL DO IT!
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#29 mazing87
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Yet another thread created by a well known Patriot Hater.

Is there anything else you can talk about that doesn't involve downgrading or bashing the New England Patriots? If the Patriots were caught violating the rules mid season or even up to now, then your request for an (*) would hold some weight. You are talking about something that was done that had no bearing on the outcome of the 1st game of the season. If I was a billionaire, I would hate to have to pay a fine for half a million dollars. They were punished and they handled it.

Are you upset that it's the Patriots that are 16-0,breaking NFL recordsand not your favorite team?

Does it make you cringe to know that they might join the Sox as being champions of their sport?

Are you hating the fact that the Celtics are the best team in the NBA and if they continue their great play, they could possible be the third pro team from the same area to win a championship?

Wait I get it, you hate us Boston fans, right?

GET OVER IT!! MOVE ON!!

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#30 murlow12
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Yet another thread created by a well known Patriot Hater.

Is there anything else you can talk about that doesn't involve downgrading or bashing the New England Patriots? If the Patriots were caught violating the rules mid season or even up to now, then your request for an (*) would hold some weight. You are talking about something that was done that had no bearing on the outcome of the 1st game of the season. If I was a billionaire, I would hate to have to pay a fine for half a million dollars. They were punished and they handled it. mrvic87

I'm just reporting the news, buddy. This was a legitimate story on ESPN so I decided to share it. Not to mention that it's very funny.

Are you upset that it's the Patriots that are 16-0,breaking NFL recordsand not your favorite team?MRVIC87

Actually, no. I'm quite please that my team in the AFC Championship game. Thanks for asking, though. And by the way, my fave RB is breaking quite a few records on his own. :wink:

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#31 GamerForca
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They were caught doing something that wouldn't have benfited them at all (or just barely) for ONE game this season, and they should have an *? That's a joke. They would've beaten the Jets anyway. Take away 2 TDs and they still beat the Jets. They were punished like they should've been... case closed.
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#32 WhoShotMe
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Cheating wouldn't have helped the Patriots? Then why did they do it?

And if every other team has been doing this, why haven't they been caught, especially at say FedEx Field? Which is that much larger than Foxboro's stadium?

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#33 BeanTownBrown86
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Cheating wouldn't have helped the Patriots? Then why did they do it?

And if every other team has been doing this, why haven't they been caught, especially at say FedEx Field? Which is that much larger than Foxboro's stadium?

WhoShotMe

to gain a competitive edge, duh

and your last statement was pretty foolish, that has nothing to do with anything

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#34 mastershake575
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[QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="Luke-85"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

Luke-85

Chill dude. Read the article. The Jags guy did it as a joke when he first started doing the power rankings. Noone noticed it for four months. Now that Jags are playing the Pats, the media is making a big deal out of it so he removed it. It was just a joke.

TAKE THAT RING OUT OF YOUR SIG!!!

HAHAHAHA

Why? :|

That'd be like me putting a 1988 Bengals Superbowl ring in my sig.

not really that ring isn't even a year old