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#1 MoonMarvel
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New Medowlands looks nice. The Vikings need a new one as well, here is a drawing of the desgin.

http://www.stadiumguide.com/nfl/vikingsnew.htm

More designs, not sure how reliable that site is BTW. They really need that. Any other teams need a new stadium?

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You can go to pigskinfever and see some pics of the construction, IMO it looks nicer than the Cowboys stadium simply because it's actually outdoors and it doesn't have the giant TV hanging over the middle of the field it's off to the side of the grandstand. Freakin' weak if the Vikes get a retractable roof and the Twins don't!
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#3 II-FBIsniper-II
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KC is getting an update.
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You can go to pigskinfever and see some pics of the construction, IMO it looks nicer than the Cowboys stadium simply because it's actually outdoors and it doesn't have the giant TV hanging over the middle of the field it's off to the side of the grandstand. Freakin' weak if the Vikes get a retractable roof and the Twins don't!X360PS3AMD05
Im sorry but the Cowboys stadium is still better.
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#5 duxup
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Vikings ownership doesn't want that, they want to move to LA. They had a deal and walked away from it.

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#6 X360PS3AMD05
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Vikings ownership doesn't want that, they want to move to LA. They had a deal and walked away from it.

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I thought they were getting one after Target Field? It's kinda sad to see the Gophers get a new stadium before the Vikes :? (was it new or just renovated?) Anywho, we're getting someone, i wonder if anyone has updates from the build site, if not i need to get out to Industry to take some pics.
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#7 Dark5tar1
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I like New Meadowlands stadium (saw that on Sports Jobs with Junior Seau, awesome), I also like Lucas Oil Stadium, but I wnder how the Vikes stadium will look after its done

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#8 MoonMarvel
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Vikings ownership doesn't want that, they want to move to LA. They had a deal and walked away from it.

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What do you mean? They spent millions on getting something done in Minnesota.
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#9 duxup
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[QUOTE="duxup"]

Vikings ownership doesn't want that, they want to move to LA. They had a deal and walked away from it.

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What do you mean? They spent millions on getting something done in Minnesota.

It is just a show. They had a good deal with Anoka County and walked away from it. Now they just up the ante on how much they demand from the sate and how much they spend making sure they look like they're trying but trying to ensure they don't get a deal so they can move.
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#10 X360PS3AMD05
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Yes Lucas Oil is a state of the art facility........... :lol:
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#11 duxup
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Im sorry but the Cowboys stadium is still better. LoseEagles1245
It looks like a stadium episode of that old MTV Cribs show. Just because you blow a bunch of dough and add stuff right and left doesn't make a good stadium.

I think even a fairly low budget stadium like Heinz Field looks better.

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#12 NetYankEagle
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]You can go to pigskinfever and see some pics of the construction, IMO it looks nicer than the Cowboys stadium simply because it's actually outdoors and it doesn't have the giant TV hanging over the middle of the field it's off to the side of the grandstand. Freakin' weak if the Vikes get a retractable roof and the Twins don't!LoseEagles1245
Im sorry but the Cowboys stadium is still better.

lol your even biased on stadiums
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="duxup"]

Vikings ownership doesn't want that, they want to move to LA. They had a deal and walked away from it.

What do you mean? They spent millions on getting something done in Minnesota.

It is just a show. They had a good deal with Anoka County and walked away from it. Now they just up the ante on how much they demand from the sate and how much they spend making sure they look like they're trying but trying to ensure they don't get a deal so they can move.

From what I heard no deal was put in place to pay for that stadium, also if they want to go to LA they are out of luck because a few other teams are looking here. This includes the Raiders who already have a huge installed fanbase here. Its Minny or Canada for the Vikes.
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Vikings ownership doesn't want that, they want to move to LA. They had a deal and walked away from it.

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Now I haven't been a football fan for that many years, but wasn't this already a rumor like... three different times? Vikings aren't going anywhere (most likely) they will either stay in the Metrodome for a few more years or they will use the Metrodome contract and the LA possibility to force us to pay for their new stadium, I HIGHLY doubt they will move.
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#15 MoonMarvel
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[QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="duxup"]

Vikings ownership doesn't want that, they want to move to LA. They had a deal and walked away from it.

Now I haven't been a football fan for that many years, but wasn't this already a rumor like... three different times? Vikings aren't going anywhere (most likely) they will either stay in the Metrodome for a few more years or they will use the Metrodome contract and the LA possibility to force us to pay for their new stadium, I HIGHLY doubt they will move.

The base in Minny is to strong for them to move. But they NEED a new stadium, that deal in place for the metrodome is highway robbery.
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]You can go to pigskinfever and see some pics of the construction, IMO it looks nicer than the Cowboys stadium simply because it's actually outdoors and it doesn't have the giant TV hanging over the middle of the field it's off to the side of the grandstand. Freakin' weak if the Vikes get a retractable roof and the Twins don't!LoseEagles1245
Im sorry but the Cowboys stadium is still better.

If anyone says something even slightly bad about your precious Cowboys, you freak out. Take a second and relax, criticism is ok.
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#17 LoseEagles1245
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[QUOTE="LoseEagles1245"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]You can go to pigskinfever and see some pics of the construction, IMO it looks nicer than the Cowboys stadium simply because it's actually outdoors and it doesn't have the giant TV hanging over the middle of the field it's off to the side of the grandstand. Freakin' weak if the Vikes get a retractable roof and the Twins don't!monkeytoes61
Im sorry but the Cowboys stadium is still better.

If anyone says something even slightly bad about your precious Cowboys, you freak out. Take a second and relax, criticism is ok.

No I don't. Your thinking about the guy with the Trunks icon.
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#18 duxup
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] What do you mean? They spent millions on getting something done in Minnesota.MoonMarvel
It is just a show. They had a good deal with Anoka County and walked away from it. Now they just up the ante on how much they demand from the sate and how much they spend making sure they look like they're trying but trying to ensure they don't get a deal so they can move.

From what I heard no deal was put in place to pay for that stadium, also if they want to go to LA they are out of luck because a few other teams are looking here. This includes the Raiders who already have a huge installed fanbase here. Its Minny or Canada for the Vikes.

They had a deal with Anoka County. Payment and all. Then before the legislature the Vikings floated the idea of putting a roof on the stadium but to have the state or Anoka County pay for it.... without telling anyone from Anoka County. They sabotaged the deal. Since then they've been proposing bigger and more expensive spending plans with each plan the Vikings contribute less and less and expect the state to pay for it. They know this likely won't fly, but they have to look like they're trying before they leave.
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#19 duxup
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[QUOTE="duxup"]

Vikings ownership doesn't want that, they want to move to LA. They had a deal and walked away from it.

tman93
Now I haven't been a football fan for that many years, but wasn't this already a rumor like... three different times?

The previous owner did want to move. He even put a MN home preseason game in his home town rather in MN. However, he found he could sell the team to the current owners at an inflated price so he took that option.
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#20 CleanPlayer
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It's pretty obvious the 49ers have the worst stadium in all of sports...they need a new one in SF...or they are moving to Santa Clara :cry:
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LA is probably getting Jacksonville or San Diego. San Diego's lease on their stadium runs out in 2011 and the owner of Jacksonville wants to sell the team because they're losing money. I think Minny is using LA to get a new stadium built, like half of the teams that got new stadiums in the past decade. I know the 49ers are doing the same thing.

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It's pretty obvious the 49ers have the worst stadium in all of sports...they need a new one in SF...or they are moving to Santa Clara :cry:CleanPlayer
lol i also think the A's have the worst baseball stadium they just need to take down that stadium overall
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]It's pretty obvious the 49ers have the worst stadium in all of sports...they need a new one in SF...or they are moving to Santa Clara :cry:NetYankEagle
lol i also think the A's have the worst baseball stadium they just need to take down that stadium overall

That's the same stadium they share with the Raiders. Any of the mix-used Stadium sucks. But Candlestick really sucks for football because it was originally built for baseball, now that the SF Giants moved out of it, it's really inadequate for it's needs.
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[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]It's pretty obvious the 49ers have the worst stadium in all of sports...they need a new one in SF...or they are moving to Santa Clara :cry:LoserMike
lol i also think the A's have the worst baseball stadium they just need to take down that stadium overall

That's the same stadium they share with the Raiders. Any of the mix-used Stadium sucks. But Candlestick really sucks for football because it was originally built for baseball, now that the SF Giants moved out of it, it's really inadequate for it's needs.

Parking is such a ***** for both stadiums, I can't stand going to games lol
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[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]It's pretty obvious the 49ers have the worst stadium in all of sports...they need a new one in SF...or they are moving to Santa Clara :cry:LoserMike
lol i also think the A's have the worst baseball stadium they just need to take down that stadium overall

That's the same stadium they share with the Raiders. Any of the mix-used Stadium sucks. But Candlestick really sucks for football because it was originally built for baseball, now that the SF Giants moved out of it, it's really inadequate for it's needs.

yea i got mixed up either way like you said mix stadium suck
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Yes Lucas Oil is a state of the art facility........... :lol:X360PS3AMD05

Wow... Poor People who sit there, why would there be seats there!

Maybe unless the people paid to stare at the pole.

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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Yes Lucas Oil is a state of the art facility........... :lol:Dark5tar1

Wow... Poor People who sit there, why would there be seats there!

Maybe unless the people paid to stare at the pole.

haha that shilarious

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It's pretty obvious the 49ers have the worst stadium in all of sports...they need a new one in SF...or they are moving to Santa Clara :cry:CleanPlayer
There is no or, they are moving to santa clara. Its pretty much a done deal now. But they will still be called San Francisco.
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[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]It's pretty obvious the 49ers have the worst stadium in all of sports...they need a new one in SF...or they are moving to Santa Clara :cry:LoserMike
lol i also think the A's have the worst baseball stadium they just need to take down that stadium overall

That's the same stadium they share with the Raiders. Any of the mix-used Stadium sucks. But Candlestick really sucks for football because it was originally built for baseball, now that the SF Giants moved out of it, it's really inadequate for it's needs.

It was!? Oh yah it was, horrid for baseball and for football man what an atrocious stadium..............
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LA is probably getting Jacksonville or San Diego. San Diego's lease on their stadium runs out in 2011 and the owner of Jacksonville wants to sell the team because they're losing money. I think Minny is using LA to get a new stadium built, like half of the teams that got new stadiums in the past decade. I know the 49ers are doing the same thing.

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SD makes the most sense. You keep them in the AFC west which makes since by location. The SD fans can still go to the games cause it's only like a 2 hour drive.
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[QUOTE="Dark5tar1"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Yes Lucas Oil is a state of the art facility........... :lol:chAzN93

Wow... Poor People who sit there, why would there be seats there!

Maybe unless the people paid to stare at the pole.

haha that shilarious

Supposedly it's a place holder for more suites that will be built when Indy hosts the Super Bowl.

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[QUOTE="LoserMike"]

LA is probably getting Jacksonville or San Diego. San Diego's lease on their stadium runs out in 2011 and the owner of Jacksonville wants to sell the team because they're losing money. I think Minny is using LA to get a new stadium built, like half of the teams that got new stadiums in the past decade. I know the 49ers are doing the same thing.

waynehead895
SD makes the most sense. You keep them in the AFC west which makes since by location. The SD fans can still go to the games cause it's only like a 2 hour drive.

And LA can go bleep itself if it dares take my Chargers away.
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[QUOTE="waynehead895"][QUOTE="LoserMike"]

LA is probably getting Jacksonville or San Diego. San Diego's lease on their stadium runs out in 2011 and the owner of Jacksonville wants to sell the team because they're losing money. I think Minny is using LA to get a new stadium built, like half of the teams that got new stadiums in the past decade. I know the 49ers are doing the same thing.

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SD makes the most sense. You keep them in the AFC west which makes since by location. The SD fans can still go to the games cause it's only like a 2 hour drive.

And LA can go bleep itself if it dares take my Chargers away.

They will try. I don't think it will happen. But LA is trying. I don't need one here. I'll still be rooting for my Cowboys.
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#34 CleanPlayer
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]It's pretty obvious the 49ers have the worst stadium in all of sports...they need a new one in SF...or they are moving to Santa Clara :cry:MoonMarvel
There is no or, they are moving to santa clara. Its pretty much a done deal now. But they will still be called San Francisco.

They are moving to LA I hear
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There's no way, i don't think the Bay area will allow it, i wouldn't want to steal the 9ers even if i was a fan growing up. I'd soon rather steal the Chargers :lol: They were already in LA before so.............................SD will really hate us as it is we take over their ballpark when the Dodgers are in town. We'll give you the Clippers hows that?
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There's no way, i don't think the Bay area will allow it, i wouldn't want to steal the 9ers even if i was a fan growing up. I'd soon rather steal the Chargers :lol: They were already in LA before so.............................SD will really hate us as it is we take over their ballpark when the Dodgers are in town. We'll give you the Clippers hows that?X360PS3AMD05
The raiders were in LA before to and have a nice fanbase here. Id rather have them, SD can keep the chargers,
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]There's no way, i don't think the Bay area will allow it, i wouldn't want to steal the 9ers even if i was a fan growing up. I'd soon rather steal the Chargers :lol: They were already in LA before so.............................SD will really hate us as it is we take over their ballpark when the Dodgers are in town. We'll give you the Clippers hows that?MoonMarvel
The raiders were in LA before to and have a nice fanbase here. Id rather have them, SD can keep the chargers,

Oh god no... UGH... Raiders (especially their fans) are the worse, keep them in Oakland please. One of the reasons the Raiders moved back to Oakland was because people weren't coming to their games because people were afraid of Raider fans.
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There's no way, i don't think the Bay area will allow it, i wouldn't want to steal the 9ers even if i was a fan growing up. I'd soon rather steal the Chargers :lol: They were already in LA before so.............................SD will really hate us as it is we take over their ballpark when the Dodgers are in town. We'll give you the Clippers hows that?X360PS3AMD05
Idk, 9ers ownership is pretty desperate for cash flow. I wouldn't mind LA stealing the Chargers, faithful charger fans could make the commute.
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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]There's no way, i don't think the Bay area will allow it, i wouldn't want to steal the 9ers even if i was a fan growing up. I'd soon rather steal the Chargers :lol: They were already in LA before so.............................SD will really hate us as it is we take over their ballpark when the Dodgers are in town. We'll give you the Clippers hows that?LoserMike
The raiders were in LA before to and have a nice fanbase here. Id rather have them, SD can keep the chargers,

Oh god no... UGH... Raiders (especially their fans) are the worse, keep them in Oakland please. One of the reasons the Raiders moved back to Oakland was because people weren't coming to their games because people were afraid of Raider fans.

LOL. You have the wrong idea of Raider fans and as one I take great offence to what you said. All teams have their bad fans and I can ASSURE that Raider fans are some of the most loyal out there and to assume people didnt come because they were afraid of them is silly.

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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]There's no way, i don't think the Bay area will allow it, i wouldn't want to steal the 9ers even if i was a fan growing up. I'd soon rather steal the Chargers :lol: They were already in LA before so.............................SD will really hate us as it is we take over their ballpark when the Dodgers are in town. We'll give you the Clippers hows that?CleanPlayer
Idk, 9ers ownership is pretty desperate for cash flow. I wouldn't mind LA stealing the Chargers, faithful charger fans could make the commute.

Oh god no, Keep the Chargers away from LA for as long as possible.
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]There's no way, i don't think the Bay area will allow it, i wouldn't want to steal the 9ers even if i was a fan growing up. I'd soon rather steal the Chargers :lol: They were already in LA before so.............................SD will really hate us as it is we take over their ballpark when the Dodgers are in town. We'll give you the Clippers hows that?MoonMarvel
Idk, 9ers ownership is pretty desperate for cash flow. I wouldn't mind LA stealing the Chargers, faithful charger fans could make the commute.

Oh god no, Keep the Chargers away from LA for as long as possible.

I like this proposal, put the Chargers in LA, and call them the San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles
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[QUOTE="LoserMike"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] The raiders were in LA before to and have a nice fanbase here. Id rather have them, SD can keep the chargers,MoonMarvel

Oh god no... UGH... Raiders (especially their fans) are the worse, keep them in Oakland please. One of the reasons the Raiders moved back to Oakland was because people weren't coming to their games because people were afraid of Raider fans.

LOL. You have the wrong idea of Raider fans and as one I take great offence to what you said. All teams have their bad fans and I can ASSURE that Raider fans are some of the most loyal out there and to assume people didnt come because they were afraid of them is silly.

Go to the black hole with a patriots jersey and your a dead man
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#43 MoonMarvel
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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]Idk, 9ers ownership is pretty desperate for cash flow. I wouldn't mind LA stealing the Chargers, faithful charger fans could make the commute. CleanPlayer
Oh god no, Keep the Chargers away from LA for as long as possible.

I like this proposal, put the Chargers in LA, and call them the San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles

Better idea, keep them in San Diego where they belong.
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#44 CleanPlayer
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Oh god no, Keep the Chargers away from LA for as long as possible.MoonMarvel
I like this proposal, put the Chargers in LA, and call them the San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles

Better idea, keep them in San Diego where they belong.

If anyone should go LA, it should be the Rams haha
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#45 MoonMarvel
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]

Oh god no... UGH... Raiders (especially their fans) are the worse, keep them in Oakland please. One of the reasons the Raiders moved back to Oakland was because people weren't coming to their games because people were afraid of Raider fans.LoserMike
LOL. You have the wrong idea of Raider fans and as one I take great offence to what you said. All teams have their bad fans and I can ASSURE that Raider fans are some of the most loyal out there and to assume people didnt come because they were afraid of them is silly.

Go to the black hole with a patriots jersey and your a dead man

LOL. No. That is a sterotype not a fact. Also try to go in the dogpound with a Ravens jersey...Oh wait.
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#46 MoonMarvel
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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]I like this proposal, put the Chargers in LA, and call them the San Diego Chargers of Los AngelesCleanPlayer
Better idea, keep them in San Diego where they belong.

If anyone should go LA, it should be the Rams haha

Send the Rams back to cleveland.
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#47 CleanPlayer
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Better idea, keep them in San Diego where they belong.MoonMarvel
If anyone should go LA, it should be the Rams haha

Send the Rams back to cleveland.

Send Vick to Celevand. How awesome would it be Vick jumping in the Dogg Pound and all the dog lovers get their revenge and just beat his ass
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#48 CleanPlayer
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] LOL. You have the wrong idea of Raider fans and as one I take great offence to what you said. All teams have their bad fans and I can ASSURE that Raider fans are some of the most loyal out there and to assume people didnt come because they were afraid of them is silly.MoonMarvel
Go to the black hole with a patriots jersey and your a dead man

LOL. No. That is a sterotype not a fact. Also try to go in the dogpound with a Ravens jersey...Oh wait.

Browns fans aren't near as crazy as Raiders fans. Raiders fans wear armor and bring swords to the game. The Dogg Pound is usually just filled with drunk truck drivers wearing masks haha. I got love for the Dogg Pound though, they are pretty loyal

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#49 MoonMarvel
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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]Go to the black hole with a patriots jersey and your a dead manCleanPlayer

LOL. No. That is a sterotype not a fact. Also try to go in the dogpound with a Ravens jersey...Oh wait.

Browns fans aren't near as crazy as Raiders fans. Raiders fans wear armor and bring swords to the game. The Dogg Pound is usually just filled with drunk truck drivers wearing masks haha. I got love for the Dogg Pound though, they are pretty loyal

I dont know where you get this stuff, but I went to Raider games the last 2 years of them being in LA and outside the Black Hole all the fans were normal people. This crazy raider myth needs to stop.
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#50 CleanPlayer
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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]

LOL. No. That is a sterotype not a fact. Also try to go in the dogpound with a Ravens jersey...Oh wait.MoonMarvel
Browns fans aren't near as crazy as Raiders fans. Raiders fans wear armor and bring swords to the game. The Dogg Pound is usually just filled with drunk truck drivers wearing masks haha. I got love for the Dogg Pound though, they are pretty loyal

I dont know where you get this stuff, but I went to Raider games the last 2 years of them being in LA and outside the Black Hole all the fans were normal people. This crazy raider myth needs to stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_4r7HtefRo Even the police can't keep you safe from Raiders fans! :lol: