NFL lockout here we go.

Can anyone explain exactly what this lockout is about and what all of this means? On a side note, this will be great for the UFL.monkeytoes61

basically there are going to be no nfl games next year because the players association won't accept across the board cuts and the owners won't keep paying them like this

owners won't keep paying them like this

aca247

This is hardly the players fault...people complain about them getting over paid, and then spend all sunday watching football. If the league expects the players to take a pay cut AND go to an 18 game season, well thats just plain stupidity.

Sadly I think we all know how it will end, no football 2011..."overpaid" players will have to give in seeing as how they can not afford to not be paid (especially the ones who aren't being paid massive contracts), well the owners can sit on their wealth. We also will get an 18 game season ( a very bad idea...more football (quantity), but less quality football with more injuries).

Well it's safe to say that I am thoroughly madder than a herd of beached whales. But seriously this sucks and I really am mad. These guysARE overpaid. Getting paid millions to play a game and still can't be satisfied? Wow.

I disagree, they are not overpaid. Firstly, not many people can do what they do, as well as they do. Secondly, the NFL is a Billion Dollar Market. Thirdly, there is a high risk to injury and permanent damage. These three factors combined makes NFL player not overpaid. No_Hablo_Ingles

I'm about as pro-sports as it gets, and I still believe that's a load of crap.

But I want to see this happen. AJ Green, one more year with Aaron Murray. :)

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]I disagree, they are not overpaid. Firstly, not many people can do what they do, as well as they do. Secondly, the NFL is a Billion Dollar Market. Thirdly, there is a high risk to injury and permanent damage. These three factors combined makes NFL player not overpaid. GamerForca

I'm about as pro-sports as it gets, and I still believe that's a load of crap.

But I want to see this happen. AJ Green, one more year with Aaron Murray. :)

[QUOTE="GamerForca"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]I disagree, they are not overpaid. Firstly, not many people can do what they do, as well as they do. Secondly, the NFL is a Billion Dollar Market. Thirdly, there is a high risk to injury and permanent damage. These three factors combined makes NFL player not overpaid. No_Hablo_Ingles

I'm about as pro-sports as it gets, and I still believe that's a load of crap.

But I want to see this happen. AJ Green, one more year with Aaron Murray. :)

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="GamerForca"]

I'm about as pro-sports as it gets, and I still believe that's a load of crap.

But I want to see this happen. AJ Green, one more year with Aaron Murray. :)

darkfox101

I think you missing the point, players are not OVERPAID, when you consider how much an nfl team pulls in porfit wise and consider the demand for nfl players. The players wages reflect that.

[QUOTE="darkfox101"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] They are paid a lot more then the average person, however, for what they do they are not overpaid. Teams make well over 100 million dollars off them and the average NFL salary is only about 700,000.RahXephon101

I think you missing the point, players are not OVERPAID, when you consider how much an nfl teams pull in porfit wise and consider the demand for nfl players then the players wages reflect that.

there wont be a lockout

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] They are paid a lot more then the average person, however, for what they do they are not overpaid. Teams make well over 100 million dollars off them and the average NFL salary is only about 700,000.GamerForca

So should the owners keep all the profits and then players get paid, say less then a million in wages? Again players can be paid these contracts because people watch the NFl, buy tickets + merchandise and give the owner these profits...

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] They are paid a lot more then the average person, however, for what they do they are not overpaid. Teams make well over 100 million dollars off them and the average NFL salary is only about 700,000.GamerForca

Yes they are paid a lot of money, but the industry in which they are in produces even more money. The owner should not keep all the money and pay the players peanuts just so that they make less than a doctor or someone in the military

Here are some rather telling statistics brought to you buy Forbes. http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/30/football-values-09_NFL-Team-Valuations_Revenue.html Revenue of the NFL teams (In Millions)

Redskins 345

New England Patriots 302

Dallas Cowboys 280

Houston Texans 256

Philadelphia Eagles 250

Miami Dolphins 242

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 241

Chicago Bears 241

Denver Broncos 240

Baltimore Ravens 240

Carolina Panthers 238

Cleveland Browns 235

Pittsburgh Steelers 235

Indianapolis Colts 233

Green Bay Packers 232

New Orleans Saints 232

Seattle Seahawks 231

New York Giants 230

Kansas City Chiefs 228

New York Jets 227

San Diego Chargers 224

Arizona Cardinals 223

Cincinnati Bengals 222

Buffalo Bills 222

St Louis Rams 217

Jacksonville Jaguars 217

Oakland Raiders 215

San Francisco 49ers 214

Atlanta Falcons 214

Minnesota Vikings 209

Detroit Lions 208

When I said "for what they do" I meant it. The three things that make jobs high playing are all their in the NFL. 1) Few people can do this guy, and fewer can do it well. This is why Plastic Surgery Doctors are paid so much. 2) Large and Profitable Market. 3) Risk of injury. Why Oil Drillers get paid so much. The NFL is a rare industry in which three of the requirements for high paying Jobs are all there. The system is not messed up at all. It's the owners who control how much the players get paid. The ball is in their court and they decide to overspend.No_Hablo_Ingles

Once again, all of what you said was completely pulled out of your ass. What makes NFL players so highly paid is what makes actors so highly paid. It's entertainment, and people care more about being entertained than they do things that actually benefit the world. I'm the same way, admittedly. Of course, there's a huge amount of people who try to act for a living and don't make it big-time (regardless of how well they do it, it's all about circumstance), so your #1 goes out the window. So does #3. So why do they make so much? People pay to watch. Most plastic surgeons are paid the salary of a lowly NFL player, and are contributing far more to society. Lawyers get paid well too, there's a hell of a lot of them, and they're unlikely to get hurt. Many of their markets aren't even profitable (if they have much of a market at all), but they still get paid. It's all about entertainment. People care more about their sports teams, so athletes get paid. It IS messed up that their pay is so disproportionately high for what they actually contribute to society, and how hard they had to work to get there.

So should the owners keep all the profits and then players get paid, say less then a million in wages? Again players can be paid these contracts because people watch the NFl, buy tickets + merchandise and give the owner these profits...RahXephon101

Not even close to my point.

Yes they are paid a lot of money, but the industry in which they are in produces even more money. The owner should not keep all the money and pay the players peanuts just so that they make less than a doctor or someone in the militaryColin1192

Again, not even close to my point.

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] When I said "for what they do" I meant it. The three things that make jobs high playing are all their in the NFL. 1) Few people can do this guy, and fewer can do it well. This is why Plastic Surgery Doctors are paid so much. 2) Large and Profitable Market. 3) Risk of injury. Why Oil Drillers get paid so much. The NFL is a rare industry in which three of the requirements for high paying Jobs are all there. The system is not messed up at all. It's the owners who control how much the players get paid. The ball is in their court and they decide to overspend.GamerForca

Once again, all of what you said was completely pulled out of your ass. What makes NFL players so highly paid is what makes actors so highly paid. It's entertainment, and people care more about being entertained than they do things that actually benefit the world. I'm the same way, admittedly. Of course, there's a huge amount of people who try to act for a living and don't make it big-time (regardless of how well they do it, it's all about circumstance), so your #1 goes out the window. So does #3. So why do they make so much? People pay to watch. Most plastic surgeons are paid the salary of a lowly NFL player, and are contributing far more to society. Lawyers get paid well too, there's a hell of a lot of them, and they're unlikely to get hurt. Many of their markets aren't even profitable (if they have much of a market at all), but they still get paid. It's all about entertainment. People care more about their sports teams, so athletes get paid. It IS messed up that their pay is so disproportionately high for what they actually contribute to society, and how hard they had to work to get there.

Contributing to Society has nothing to do with how much people get paid.

Think of it like this. Water is needed for life... but it's cheap because it's extremely avaible. The fewer the jobs, the higher the profit margin, and the greater risk of injury, the more you get paid. Medical Doctors are rare, however, not nearly as well as NFL player.

[QUOTE="frostybanana"]In relation to their industry, they are not overpaid. But in relation to other occupations, yes, they are very much overpaid. And, from what I can see, most of these posters are talking about this occupation in relation to others, not their salaries in relation to the revenue generated by the their employers. The "system" being screwed up is simply how our free market economy works. It's not screwed up exactly, it's just entertainment is the highest priority for Americans.GamerForca

No_Hablo_Ingles speaks the truth.

You are incorrect. Yes they get paid a lot because it's entertaining, however, if there wasn't such a large and profitable market for it they wouldn't get paid as much. #3 has something to do with it because the greater the risk of injury, the more the company has to pay. People who actually dig for oil get paid a lot of money because of the risk of getting injured. You can see this clearly in small towns were people who mine coal get paid more then teachers because of the risk of injury/death.No_Hablo_Ingles

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] You are incorrect. Yes they get paid a lot because it's entertaining, however, if there wasn't such a large and profitable market for it they wouldn't get paid as much. #3 has something to do with it because the greater the risk of injury, the more the company has to pay. People who actually dig for oil get paid a lot of money because of the risk of getting injured. You can see this clearly in small towns were people who mine coal get paid more then teachers because of the risk of injury/death.GamerForca

Why don't they get paid a lot because they are pretty common. There are more 100 times as many people in the US Military then the NFL. There are 683,396 Police Officers and nearly as many FM. They also don't have a large (or much of any) profit merge.

I'm not trying to say that NFL players don't get paid a lot, simply that they get paid so much for a reason. They meet all the requirements for a high paying job. The NFL made over 3.2 BILLION dollars in 2006 and that increases every year. Not many industries have such a large profit.

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH!!!! what does this mean for INDY's 2012 superbowl? does it get pushed back a year or do we just not get it? imma be so ******* pissed if we just dont' get it anymore!!!!!

Does every NFL player bring in more then he's paid?

Yes

That means it's impossible for them to be classified as overpaid

The avg American makes just under $25,000 a year and it's considered you can be on welfare when you make just under $19,000 a year which many Americans do make.

NFL ref's make $250,000 a year for a "seasonal" job...the avg pay for a starting NFL player is about the same if not a few thousand more depending on their contract which would normally look like $500,000 for a 3 year deal or if you are actually one of the "franchise" players your gonna look at 20 million plus for a 4 year contract (if I'm not mistaken Brady's contract is around 75 million....).

NFL players have a seasonal job, it's not a career where you go in work 5 days a week 40 hours a week, they work a few months and they have a few months of an "off season". I would also like to add depending on circumstances if your team gets tothe Super Bowl, you get sort of a "bonus" for winning and a "bonus" for being the other team, last time i checked it was a few hundred thousand per player who set's on the field during a Super Bowl. Also if you're that player who gets money from advertisements like watches,cereal ect ect.

In the end, they are the most over paid people on the planet.

We don't NEED sports. We don't need it to survive. It's just very entertaining to watch and cheer for your team. And they get paid alot to entertain us, and we pay to watch them.

I'm sorry, but if you expect me to feel sorry for an NFL athlete who makes more in a year than most people do in a lifetime, you are sadly mistaken.

I am curious, what exactly is the paycut anyway? If a guy makes 2 million a year, is the cut 300-400K? They are still making more than 1.5 million a year. Bring on the lockdown!

I'm sorry, but if you expect me to feel sorry for an NFL athlete who makes more in a year than most people do in a lifetime, you are sadly mistaken.

I am curious, what exactly is the paycut anyway? If a guy makes 2 million a year, is the cut 300-400K? They are still making more than 1.5 million a year. Bring on the lockdown!

TerragonSix

[QUOTE="TerragonSix"]

I'm sorry, but if you expect me to feel sorry for an NFL athlete who makes more in a year than most people do in a lifetime, you are sadly mistaken.

I am curious, what exactly is the paycut anyway? If a guy makes 2 million a year, is the cut 300-400K? They are still making more than 1.5 million a year. Bring on the lockdown!

No_Hablo_Ingles

Avg Americans make around 25k a year, it would take them 10 years to make 250k and it would be almost 30 years for someone to make the avg pay of NFL football player who has a 3 year contract.

Some NFL players who arent even on a winning team are making 13+ million while one of the Dallas Cowboys WR (Roy Williams) has a 45 million 5 year contract. Oh and Eli manning who makes almost 15 and a half million for a contract that runs through 2009-2015 and he's already made 35 million for just this year.

[QUOTE="TerragonSix"]

I'm sorry, but if you expect me to feel sorry for an NFL athlete who makes more in a year than most people do in a lifetime, you are sadly mistaken.

I am curious, what exactly is the paycut anyway? If a guy makes 2 million a year, is the cut 300-400K? They are still making more than 1.5 million a year. Bring on the lockdown!

No_Hablo_Ingles

Cut out the pine riders. I wanna know the average salary for a starter in the NFL, not the third string QB.

I'm not taking sides. I think the whole idea that an NFL player complaining about money is ludicrous. Especially when guys like you and me and scrambling and scratching just to pay our bills, and work our butts off. Do they earn every cent of it? Sure, it takes quite a bit to be the athletes they are. But taking a small pay cut is not that big of a deal. Down in South Florida, I read in the news that a neighboring town, the firefighters union agreed to take a cut in pay.

Do I think NFL owners are greedy? Sure I do. And it's not just in the NFL. Read up about the MLB's Florida Marlins; the lowest paid club that made it to the World Series.

But surely, between the players greed and the owners greed, a compromise can be reached.

I don't like pro football anyway. It would help my college team out if they DID have the lockdown, our juniors would be inclined to stay.

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="TerragonSix"]

I'm sorry, but if you expect me to feel sorry for an NFL athlete who makes more in a year than most people do in a lifetime, you are sadly mistaken.

I am curious, what exactly is the paycut anyway? If a guy makes 2 million a year, is the cut 300-400K? They are still making more than 1.5 million a year. Bring on the lockdown!

TerragonSix

Cut out the pine riders. I wanna know the average salary for a starter in the NFL, not the third string QB.

I'm not taking sides. I think the whole idea that an NFL player complaining about money is ludicrous. Especially when guys like you and me and scrambling and scratching just to pay our bills, and work our butts off. Do they earn every cent of it? Sure, it takes quite a bit to be the athletes they are. But taking a small pay cut is not that big of a deal. Down in South Florida, I read in the news that a neighboring town, the firefighters union agreed to take a cut in pay.

Do I think NFL owners are greedy? Sure I do. And it's not just in the NFL. Read up about the MLB's Florida Marlins; the lowest paid club that made it to the World Series.

But surely, between the players greed and the owners greed, a compromise can be reached.

I don't like pro football anyway. It would help my college team out if they DID have the lockdown, our juniors would be inclined to stay.

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="TerragonSix"]

I'm sorry, but if you expect me to feel sorry for an NFL athlete who makes more in a year than most people do in a lifetime, you are sadly mistaken.

I am curious, what exactly is the paycut anyway? If a guy makes 2 million a year, is the cut 300-400K? They are still making more than 1.5 million a year. Bring on the lockdown!

Ballroompirate

Avg Americans make around 25k a year, it would take them 10 years to make 250k and it would be almost 30 years for someone to make the avg pay of NFL football player who has a 3 year contract.

Some NFL players who arent even on a winning team are making 13+ million while one of the Dallas Cowboys WR (Roy Williams) has a 45 million 5 year contract. Oh and Eli manning who makes almost 15 and a half million for a contract that runs through 2009-2015 and he's already made 35 million for just this year.

The point was brought up about soldiers making far less and having a higher risk. A private in the army makes around 10-12k a year.

Policemen are among the lowest paid public officials, and we entrust to them our public safety.

Public teachers... what they make is a joke... Overworked and underpaid. And they teach our 'leaders' of tomorrow.

..Meanwhile, we have politicians taking extravagant, million dollar vacations. What they make from taxpayer money is heavily supplanted by lobbyist benefits.

We have civilian workers in Iraq, a truck driver makes at least 80k over there. The private who makes 10-12k helps protect them.

So, no, I do NOT feel sorry for a bunch of athletes who make more money than people make in a lifetime in a year. I'm not even mentioning endorsements. I bet you there are plenty of wash-outs that would kill to play in the NFL for far less than '700k'. Maybe it takes being broke first before realizing that a coveted position/job is not something to be complaining about. If I made a million dollars a year, and they told me... "Sorry, Tom, but this year we can only pay you 800k, and we have to work you a little harder."

Do you think for one second I'm going to throw myself down on the floor and have a screaming hissy fit? Do you know how hard it is to get a job right now? Especially a job that makes a million a year?