NFL lockout here we go.

[QUOTE="TerragonSix"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] So you side with the Billionaire owners who all get over 200 million dollars each a year based of those millionaires? BTW, average NFL salary is about 770KNo_Hablo_Ingles

Cut out the pine riders. I wanna know the average salary for a starter in the NFL, not the third string QB.

I'm not taking sides. I think the whole idea that an NFL player complaining about money is ludicrous. Especially when guys like you and me and scrambling and scratching just to pay our bills, and work our butts off. Do they earn every cent of it? Sure, it takes quite a bit to be the athletes they are. But taking a small pay cut is not that big of a deal. Down in South Florida, I read in the news that a neighboring town, the firefighters union agreed to take a cut in pay.

Do I think NFL owners are greedy? Sure I do. And it's not just in the NFL. Read up about the MLB's Florida Marlins; the lowest paid club that made it to the World Series.

But surely, between the players greed and the owners greed, a compromise can be reached.

I don't like pro football anyway. It would help my college team out if they DID have the lockdown, our juniors would be inclined to stay.

This is getting redudent. Obviously not many of you realize the time and effort they put into playing and the risk they are talking...

This is getting redudent. Obviously not many of you realize the time and effort they put into playing and the risk they are talking...

No_Hablo_Ingles

sure they put risk but we don't NEED them to do so. everyday life would go on as normal if they weren't playing. they are like WWE wrestlers, they do it to entertain. people we do need like doctors, teachers, police, etc... are paid substantially less(or whatever....) than an average NFL player yearly.

Just look a Jamarcus Russel. He got $32 million guaranteed money... and who needs him? He's prolly living the good life not doing a thing other than being a waste.

This is getting redudent. Obviously not many of you realize the time and effort they put into playing and the risk they are talking...

No_Hablo_Ingles

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]

This is getting redudent. Obviously not many of you realize the time and effort they put into playing and the risk they are talking...

darkfox101

I disagree, they are not overpaid.
Firstly, not many people can do what they do, as well as they do.
Secondly, the NFL is a Billion Dollar Market.
Thirdly, there is a high risk to injury and permanent damage.

These three factors combined makes NFL player not overpaid. No_Hablo_Ingles

Plus, average career is 5 years.

I see it like this a doctor may service 100 a week, and thats an extremely busy doctor. While a football player on Sunday will service well over a million. Entertainers earn there money because they service more people than most. Don't like it? Then stop watching it, its a consumer driven market. i5750at4Ghz

This is a fantastic viewpoint

A soldier doesn't bring in billions, a doctor doesn't bring in billions, a teacher doesn't bring in billions.

Their jobs aren't more valuable then an NFL athlete in any shape or form.

NFL athletes bring in billions and they want their fair share and unlike a soldier or doctor or teacher not just anyone can do it

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]I see it like this a doctor may service 100 a week, and thats an extremely busy doctor. While a football player on Sunday will service well over a million. Entertainers earn there money because they service more people than most. Don't like it? Then stop watching it, its a consumer driven market. Jaysonguy

This is a fantastic viewpoint

A soldier doesn't bring in billions, a doctor doesn't bring in billions, a teacher doesn't bring in billions.

Their jobs aren't more valuable then an NFL athlete in any shape or form.

NFL athletes bring in billions and they want their fair share and unlike a soldier or doctor or teacher not just anyone can do it

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]I see it like this a doctor may service 100 a week, and thats an extremely busy doctor. While a football player on Sunday will service well over a million. Entertainers earn there money because they service more people than most. Don't like it? Then stop watching it, its a consumer driven market. Jaysonguy

This is a fantastic viewpoint

A soldier doesn't bring in billions, a doctor doesn't bring in billions, a teacher doesn't bring in billions.

Their jobs aren't more valuable then an NFL athlete in any shape or form.

NFL athletes bring in billions and they want their fair share and unlike a soldier or doctor or teacher not just anyone can do it

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]I see it like this a doctor may service 100 a week, and thats an extremely busy doctor. While a football player on Sunday will service well over a million. Entertainers earn there money because they service more people than most. Don't like it? Then stop watching it, its a consumer driven market. frostybanana

This is a fantastic viewpoint

A soldier doesn't bring in billions, a doctor doesn't bring in billions, a teacher doesn't bring in billions.

Their jobs aren't more valuable then an NFL athlete in any shape or form.

NFL athletes bring in billions and they want their fair share and unlike a soldier or doctor or teacher not just anyone can do it

[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

This is a fantastic viewpoint

A soldier doesn't bring in billions, a doctor doesn't bring in billions, a teacher doesn't bring in billions.

Their jobs aren't more valuable then an NFL athlete in any shape or form.

NFL athletes bring in billions and they want their fair share and unlike a soldier or doctor or teacher not just anyone can do it

i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="frostybanana"] Monetary value and value in relation to necessity are two different forms of value. So the notion that their jobs aren't more valuable than an NFL athlete in any shape or form is an indication that your priorities are screwed up. Honestly, anyone can be a doctor? No, not at all. If you think medical school is just a walk in the park, then you have no idea what you're talking about. Intelligence is just as much a gift as any physical talent. A soldier doesn't bring in billions but he risks his life for yours every day. So don't disrespect someone who would die so you can live. He is more valuable than an NFL athlete any day of the week.frostybanana

Why can't people seem to understand why they get paid so much... value in relationship to necessity does not equate to monetary value. Water, which is essential to human life, is cheaper then things that's aren't really necessary. Not everyone can be a doctor (around 6,000,000 Doctors according to one site), but far less people can be in the NFL. Economics 101- High Demands + Small Supply (of good players) = High Price. Add to that the short careers of most players, the high risk of injury, and them playing in a 5 Billion dollar market... No_Hablo_Ingles

You are misconstruing that argument. That does not mean doctors have a better market, it means the occupation in relation to football is more important. That market not reflecting that is a result of entertainment being a number one priority. That isn't going to change obviously, nor should it because that's how the free market works. But no one said that and I'm not sure why you keep coming back to market value when that was debunked by the responses several times. I think everyone agrees and understands that in relation to the market, they are fairly paid. They are arguing that in relation to other jobs, they are overpaid.

[QUOTE="frostybanana"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] No hes not. Thats why hes a soldier. By large the soldiers of this country and most country's are the scraps, that couldn't do anything else. i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]I disagree, they are not overpaid. Firstly, not many people can do what they do, as well as they do. Secondly, the NFL is a Billion Dollar Market. Thirdly, there is a high risk to injury and permanent damage. These three factors combined makes NFL player not overpaid. darkfox101

No people have to stop comparing professional athletes with everyday workers. There are 60,000+ people that pay well over $100 to see these guys play on a daily basis and their sport's memorabilia sells for a lot more at times. With that being said they make an NFL owner a ton of money so no in the NFL world they are not overpaid in some cases because of the salary cap they are underpaid. Stop trying to compare the two it is a different world. It is a very dangerous sport that can ultimately give these guys a short life span.

The NFL owners want to make an 18 games schedule because fans are complaining that they are paying for 10 games at the same price in which 2 of them don't mean anything. In my opinion fans should stop complaining about it and it wouldn't be an issue or owners can lower the prices of those two games knowing that they don't mean anything. Which the reality is niether is going to happen. So to make up for those 2 games they are now going to have to matter. Which then if that is the case then the players have every right to want to get paid more because now the risk of injury goes up and the fact that those games are now going to mean something to the season. That is the huge hold up with this whole thing. Which I think either the fans should just suck it up or the owners should realize that they have it made in the shade as is and should cut a few dollars off the tickets. I don't know why they are bugging out over two games it is so foolish. Its more on the owners than the players in my opinion. The owners are being extremely greedy and Goodell is pushing hard for it.

[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

This is a fantastic viewpoint

A soldier doesn't bring in billions, a doctor doesn't bring in billions, a teacher doesn't bring in billions.

Their jobs aren't more valuable then an NFL athlete in any shape or form.

NFL athletes bring in billions and they want their fair share and unlike a soldier or doctor or teacher not just anyone can do it

i5750at4Ghz

Former member of the US Air Force here, was a Pararescue apprentice before getting hurt and medically discharged. I come from a middle class family. Gee whiz golly, since I am a scrap, I might as well curl up and die, because I can't do anything else!!

...I think you're ignorance of the facts is staggering, since you seem mildly intelligent. Why do you have the assumption that most people who join the military are worthless in everyday society? It is true that some join the military to escape criminal punishment, but others join for a sense of duty to their country, others, who want an opportunity at higher education and couldn't afford or qualify for other alternatives. Still others, that is what they WANT to do in life. Soldier. That's the category I was in, I WANTED to be an airman. Your premise of a military filled with scum, misfits, and criminals is not only ignorant, but also pompous and flagrantly prejudice toward lower-income families.

For physical talent, try lifting a 50 pound rucksack and marching twenty miles. Do PT (physical training) at 4:00 am in the morning. Special forces have particular physical and mental training to allow them the ability to survive in extreme, brutal conditions. Let your average NFL player try SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) training, see how well he likes that.

Incidentally, do you have any idea how much money and power is as stake when two countries war with one another? Much more than any player in the NFL, much more than all salaries in the NFL combined. But because the 'owners' (countries) don't pay the players (soldiers) enough money, do you think soldiers say, "F*** it, I'm not soldiering next year."?

Don't stand there and tell me the armed service are filled with a bunch of losers. I suspect that the average 'loser' in the military is capable of accomplishing things most people wouldn't even dare to try.

they are fairly paid. They are arguing that in relation to other jobs, they are overpaid.

frostybanana

This isn't a moral discussion, this conversation deals with is the a legitimate reason the Owners would want to cut the pay of the players. The answer is without a doubt no. Everyone needs to stop changing the conversation to players getting paid more then the average person, because that is not what this conversation is about in any way shape or form.

[QUOTE="frostybanana"]they are fairly paid. They are arguing that in relation to other jobs, they are overpaid.

This isn't a moral discussion, this conversation deals with is the a legitimate reason the Owners would want to cut the pay of the players. The answer is without a doubt no. Everyone needs to stop changing the conversation to players getting paid more then the average person, because that is not what this conversation is about in any way shape or form.

I wasn't going to come back to this thread, but some of you don't cease to amaze me. I'll give it one more shot before heading back to the library for work..

No hes not. Thats why hes a soldier. By large the soldiers of this country and most country's are the scraps, that couldn't do anything else. i5750at4Ghz

I think you should know what overpaid means... Overpaid doesn't mean that they are paid more then the average person, it means they are paid more then they are worth.

No_Hablo_Ingles

You just made that up. Again.

Everyone needs to stop changing the conversation to players getting paid more then the average person, because that is not what this conversation is about in any way shape or form.

No_Hablo_Ingles

Actually, I'm sure that's exactly what the conversation was about, seeing as that's the side the OP is on.

[QUOTE="frostybanana"]they are fairly paid. They are arguing that in relation to other jobs, they are overpaid.

No_Hablo_Ingles

This isn't a moral discussion, this conversation deals with is the a legitimate reason the Owners would want to cut the pay of the players. The answer is without a doubt no. Everyone needs to stop changing the conversation to players getting paid more then the average person, because that is not what this conversation is about in any way shape or form.

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]

[QUOTE="frostybanana"]they are fairly paid. They are arguing that in relation to other jobs, they are overpaid.

frostybanana

This isn't a moral discussion, this conversation deals with is the a legitimate reason the Owners would want to cut the pay of the players. The answer is without a doubt no. Everyone needs to stop changing the conversation to players getting paid more then the average person, because that is not what this conversation is about in any way shape or form.

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]

Everyone needs to stop changing the conversation to players getting paid more then the average person, because that is not what this conversation is about in any way shape or form.

GamerForca

Actually, I'm sure that's exactly what the conversation was about, seeing as that's the side the OP is on.

I would have todisagree with you. This has to do with NFL lockout and why it might occur. The reason for this is 4 preseason games that mean nothing to the season and fans having to pay the same price for those tickets as a regular season game. The bottom line in my opinion is the NFL owners make off like bandits while the players do make a lot of money as is, they are in some cases getting underpaid to what the owners are making off of them. My opinion is if you are going to bemaking millions a year off of2 additional games, not just off tickets holders, but off the broadcast companies for hosting your games, then you should sure as heck pay the players more who are putting their health at a higher risk and making those two games now part of the official season.

[QUOTE="GamerForca"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]

Everyone needs to stop changing the conversation to players getting paid more then the average person, because that is not what this conversation is about in any way shape or form.

xscrapzx

Actually, I'm sure that's exactly what the conversation was about, seeing as that's the side the OP is on.

I would have todisagree with you. This has to do with NFL lockout and why it might occur. The reason for this is 4 preseason games that mean nothing to the season and fans having to pay the same price for those tickets as a regular season game. The bottom line in my opinion is the NFL owners make off like bandits while the players do make a lot of money as is, they are in some cases getting underpaid to what the owners are making off of them. My opinion is if you are going to making millions a year of 2 additional games, not just off tickets holders, but off the broadcast companies for hosting your games, then you should sure as heckpay the players more who are putting their health at a higher risk and making those two games now part of the official season.

What makes it so funny is that, people are complaining about players 'asking for more money', when, in truth, they're trying to bring fairness across the board. Part of the proposed CBA that the union has brought up is to LOWER the salaries of rookie players that have gotten out of hand. There's no way in hell that Tebow should be even offered a 10-20 million dollar contract (clarification: 11.2 million) without setting foot on the football field or, even showing he's capable of playing the game. (See: rookie busts. Also, not calling Tebow a bust but, clearly there have been a few and the rookie contracts are rewarding unproven players). And, to clarify my other statement ( "similar percentage of a smaller piece of pie" ): The NFL's Math Problem

The players would be wise to work something out... they have no leverage and everything to lose if they don't deal...

Its not like football stops if the NFL has a lock out... this is not MLB, where there is no popular alternative for fans to go to...

It unfortunate, and I on the players side on this, but the fact of the matter is, the NFL has all the leverage...

The players would be wise to work something out... they have no leverage and everything to lose if they don't deal...

Its not like football stops if the NFL has a lock out... this is not MLB, where there is no popular alternative for fans to go to...

It unfortunate, and I on the players side on this, but the fact of the matter is, the NFL has all the leverage...

heysharpshooter

I think the players have more leverage then we give them credit for. Sure the players don't get paid, however the networks that pay the NFL to show NFL games won't be happy either.No_Hablo_Ingles

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]I think the players have more leverage then we give them credit for. Sure the players don't get paid, however the networks that pay the NFL to show NFL games won't be happy either.bigdcstile

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

The players would be wise to work something out... they have no leverage and everything to lose if they don't deal...

Its not like football stops if the NFL has a lock out... this is not MLB, where there is no popular alternative for fans to go to...

It unfortunate, and I on the players side on this, but the fact of the matter is, the NFL has all the leverage...

bigdcstile

Its not so much the UFL as it is college football... people will just watch more college ball as an alternative... the pro players could go to the UFL, but there are not enough jobs in that leauge for them, and the UFL would be reluctant to sign them if the lockout ended mid UFL season and all the players left for the NFL...

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

The players would be wise to work something out... they have no leverage and everything to lose if they don't deal...

Its not like football stops if the NFL has a lock out... this is not MLB, where there is no popular alternative for fans to go to...

It unfortunate, and I on the players side on this, but the fact of the matter is, the NFL has all the leverage...

heysharpshooter

Its not so much the UFL as it is college football... people will just watch more college ball as an alternative... the pro players could go to the UFL, but there are not enough jobs in that leauge for them, and the UFL would be reluctant to sign them if the lockout ended mid UFL season and all the players left for the NFL...

What makes it so funny is that, people are complaining about players 'asking for more money', when, in truth, they're trying to bring fairness across the board. Part of the proposed CBA that the union has brought up is to LOWER the salaries of rookie players that have gotten out of hand. There's no way in hell that Tebow should be even offered a 10-20 million dollar contract (clarification: 11.2 million) without setting foot on the football field or, even showing he's capable of playing the game. (See: rookie busts. Also, not calling Tebow a bust but, clearly there have been a few and the rookie contracts are rewarding unproven players). And, to clarify my other statement ( "similar percentage of a smaller piece of pie" ): The NFL's Math Problem

bigdcstile

Some rookies do get paid to much unless you're Sam Bradford whos actually doing what hes suppose to (living up to the hype). As for Tebow everyone who has an IQ above 10 know's he can be better than Orton.....hell I've been QQing constantly (since week 2) to please put in Tebow, let him get games under his belt, we spent money on him so please for the love of god let's use him, build him up and hopefully get our money's worth.

The only thing i feel bad for NFL player's and the lockout issue is the possibility of them taking away health insurance from the player's. People who complain about the health risks of NFL players should know for a fact that the NFL try's it's best every season to try to protect the NFL athletes on the field with better equipment, more strict rules and even teaching NFL player's on safer way's of tackling. Compare football when Steve Young was playing to today, that's only about 11-12 years but safety and player health is better today that what it was then,specially if you take a look at the start of football when there was no pads and they where wearing LEATHER caps...

Football is the shortest pro event of the year compared to Hockey,Baseball and the NBA....yet they get paid more, thats why people want 2 more games cause we as a nation love football and we love seeing our team on the field as much as we can but it's very limited to a 16 game season not including if your fav team has a play off birth and a shot at the SB.

Personally the NFL needs to lower the salary cap across the board to all teams and players like for just an example have the cap for a starter in the NFL be like 5 million, a rookie could get something like 2 million and for the vets maybe 6-7 million and the cap being 7-8 million for a player all together so we don't see player's out there getting 15 million a year or 95 million for a 5 year deal *cough* eli "the lesser" manning *cough*. With all that extra money the could put in a better health care system or healp out paying the debts some teams have who have built a new stadium the last few years.

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"]

What makes it so funny is that, people are complaining about players 'asking for more money', when, in truth, they're trying to bring fairness across the board. Part of the proposed CBA that the union has brought up is to LOWER the salaries of rookie players that have gotten out of hand. There's no way in hell that Tebow should be even offered a 10-20 million dollar contract (clarification: 11.2 million) without setting foot on the football field or, even showing he's capable of playing the game. (See: rookie busts. Also, not calling Tebow a bust but, clearly there have been a few and the rookie contracts are rewarding unproven players). And, to clarify my other statement ( "similar percentage of a smaller piece of pie" ): The NFL's Math Problem

Ballroompirate

Some rookies do get paid to much unless you're Sam Bradford whos actually doing what hes suppose to (living up to the hype). As for Tebow everyone who has an IQ above 10 know's he can be better than Orton.....hell I've been QQing constantly (since week 2) to please put in Tebow, let him get games under his belt, we spent money on him so please for the love of god let's use him, build him up and hopefully get our money's worth.

The only thing i feel bad for NFL player's and the lockout issue is the possibility of them taking away health insurance from the player's. People who complain about the health risks of NFL players should know for a fact that the NFL try's it's best every season to try to protect the NFL athletes on the field with better equipment, more strict rules and even teaching NFL player's on safer way's of tackling. Compare football when Steve Young was playing to today, that's only about 11-12 years but safety and player health is better today that what it was then,specially if you take a look at the start of football when there was no pads and they where wearing LEATHER caps...

Football is the shortest pro event of the year compared to Hockey,Baseball and the NBA....yet they get paid more, thats why people want 2 more games cause we as a nation love football and we love seeing our team on the field as much as we can but it's very limited to a 16 game season not including if your fav team has a play off birth and a shot at the SB.

Personally the NFL needs to lower the salary cap across the board to all teams and players like for just an example have the cap for a starter in the NFL be like 5 million, a rookie could get something like 2 million and for the vets maybe 6-7 million and the cap being 7-8 million for a player all together so we don't see player's out there getting 15 million a year or 95 million for a 5 year deal *cough* eli "the lesser" manning *cough*. With all that extra money the could put in a better health care system or healp out paying the debts some teams have who have built a new stadium the last few years.

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"]

What makes it so funny is that, people are complaining about players 'asking for more money', when, in truth, they're trying to bring fairness across the board. Part of the proposed CBA that the union has brought up is to LOWER the salaries of rookie players that have gotten out of hand. There's no way in hell that Tebow should be even offered a 10-20 million dollar contract (clarification: 11.2 million) without setting foot on the football field or, even showing he's capable of playing the game. (See: rookie busts. Also, not calling Tebow a bust but, clearly there have been a few and the rookie contracts are rewarding unproven players). And, to clarify my other statement ( "similar percentage of a smaller piece of pie" ): The NFL's Math Problem

bigdcstile

Some rookies do get paid to much unless you're Sam Bradford whos actually doing what hes suppose to (living up to the hype). As for Tebow everyone who has an IQ above 10 know's he can be better than Orton.....hell I've been QQing constantly (since week 2) to please put in Tebow, let him get games under his belt, we spent money on him so please for the love of god let's use him, build him up and hopefully get our money's worth.

The only thing i feel bad for NFL player's and the lockout issue is the possibility of them taking away health insurance from the player's. People who complain about the health risks of NFL players should know for a fact that the NFL try's it's best every season to try to protect the NFL athletes on the field with better equipment, more strict rules and even teaching NFL player's on safer way's of tackling. Compare football when Steve Young was playing to today, that's only about 11-12 years but safety and player health is better today that what it was then,specially if you take a look at the start of football when there was no pads and they where wearing LEATHER caps...

Football is the shortest pro event of the year compared to Hockey,Baseball and the NBA....yet they get paid more, thats why people want 2 more games cause we as a nation love football and we love seeing our team on the field as much as we can but it's very limited to a 16 game season not including if your fav team has a play off birth and a shot at the SB.

Personally the NFL needs to lower the salary cap across the board to all teams and players like for just an example have the cap for a starter in the NFL be like 5 million, a rookie could get something like 2 million and for the vets maybe 6-7 million and the cap being 7-8 million for a player all together so we don't see player's out there getting 15 million a year or 95 million for a 5 year deal *cough* eli "the lesser" manning *cough*. With all that extra money the could put in a better health care system or healp out paying the debts some teams have who have built a new stadium the last few years.

So you want Player's to get paid more even though they make a **** ton of money?, 58% is alot of revenue for a player. How much revenue do you think other people get in their business, i'm guessing not even 2% most of the time.

As a Broncos fan after watching the Oakland Raiders whooped our *** by 40 some point's I just wanted to spit on those player's cause they played worse than high school football player's and they don't get paid million's of dollar's (in fact they don't get paid at all), if you did a piss poor job say as a mechanic at a garage you get fired or don't get paid, it's funny how some football player's can be so bad at playing football and they get $400,000 + a year or two years. After that game vs Oakland I remember seeing on the news there was a online petition asking the Broncos players to donate their paycheck that game cause they played so freaking bad.

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Some rookies do get paid to much unless you're Sam Bradford whos actually doing what hes suppose to (living up to the hype). As for Tebow everyone who has an IQ above 10 know's he can be better than Orton.....hell I've been QQing constantly (since week 2) to please put in Tebow, let him get games under his belt, we spent money on him so please for the love of god let's use him, build him up and hopefully get our money's worth.

The only thing i feel bad for NFL player's and the lockout issue is the possibility of them taking away health insurance from the player's. People who complain about the health risks of NFL players should know for a fact that the NFL try's it's best every season to try to protect the NFL athletes on the field with better equipment, more strict rules and even teaching NFL player's on safer way's of tackling. Compare football when Steve Young was playing to today, that's only about 11-12 years but safety and player health is better today that what it was then,specially if you take a look at the start of football when there was no pads and they where wearing LEATHER caps...

Football is the shortest pro event of the year compared to Hockey,Baseball and the NBA....yet they get paid more, thats why people want 2 more games cause we as a nation love football and we love seeing our team on the field as much as we can but it's very limited to a 16 game season not including if your fav team has a play off birth and a shot at the SB.

Personally the NFL needs to lower the salary cap across the board to all teams and players like for just an example have the cap for a starter in the NFL be like 5 million, a rookie could get something like 2 million and for the vets maybe 6-7 million and the cap being 7-8 million for a player all together so we don't see player's out there getting 15 million a year or 95 million for a 5 year deal *cough* eli "the lesser" manning *cough*. With all that extra money the could put in a better health care system or healp out paying the debts some teams have who have built a new stadium the last few years.

Ballroompirate

So you want Player's to get paid more even though they make a **** ton of money?, 58% is alot of revenue for a player. How much revenue do you think other people get in their business, i'm guessing not even 2% most of the time.

As a Broncos fan after watching the Oakland Raiders whooped our *** by 40 some point's I just wanted to spit on those player's cause they played worse than high school football player's and they don't get paid million's of dollar's (in fact they don't get paid at all), if you did a piss poor job say as a mechanic at a garage you get fired or don't get paid, it's funny how some football player's can be so bad at playing football and they get $400,000 + a year or two years. After that game vs Oakland I remember seeing on the news there was a online petition asking the Broncos players to donate their paycheck that game cause they played so freaking bad.

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"] Wait, you'd put a lower salary cap on the players? You do know that players, as a whole, make 58% of the revenue? That may seem like a lot, but we're talking a roster of 55 + people taking in that chunk of the pie. Lowering it would mean owners get paid more of the money that players bring in. I, and the majority of the player's union, am fine with 58% of total revenue seeing as 42% (less operating costs and some of those are paid by state taxes!) There's no excuse for owners to not have a better health system in place especially when they're the lone entity making most of the money.bigdcstile

So you want Player's to get paid more even though they make a **** ton of money?, 58% is alot of revenue for a player. How much revenue do you think other people get in their business, i'm guessing not even 2% most of the time.

As a Broncos fan after watching the Oakland Raiders whooped our *** by 40 some point's I just wanted to spit on those player's cause they played worse than high school football player's and they don't get paid million's of dollar's (in fact they don't get paid at all), if you did a piss poor job say as a mechanic at a garage you get fired or don't get paid, it's funny how some football player's can be so bad at playing football and they get $400,000 + a year or two years. After that game vs Oakland I remember seeing on the news there was a online petition asking the Broncos players to donate their paycheck that game cause they played so freaking bad.

Ok see what i underlined what you said, people will agree not every NFL player deserves to have a big paycheck, hence why i mentioned the Denver Broncos playing like crap and they aren't worth the multi million dollars put into them, yes they have bright talent but when people see a blow out and a team doesn't even try to get a 1st down or score point's and people sign a petition for players to donate that check from that game.

Guess what if it wasn't for fan's of the sport and to team's, player's won't have a job, plain and simple.

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

So you want Player's to get paid more even though they make a **** ton of money?, 58% is alot of revenue for a player. How much revenue do you think other people get in their business, i'm guessing not even 2% most of the time.

As a Broncos fan after watching the Oakland Raiders whooped our *** by 40 some point's I just wanted to spit on those player's cause they played worse than high school football player's and they don't get paid million's of dollar's (in fact they don't get paid at all), if you did a piss poor job say as a mechanic at a garage you get fired or don't get paid, it's funny how some football player's can be so bad at playing football and they get $400,000 + a year or two years. After that game vs Oakland I remember seeing on the news there was a online petition asking the Broncos players to donate their paycheck that game cause they played so freaking bad.

Ballroompirate

Ok see what i underlined what you said, people will agree not every NFL player deserves to have a big paycheck, hence why i mentioned the Denver Broncos playing like crap and they aren't worth the multi million dollars put into them, yes they have bright talent but when people see a blow out and a team doesn't even try to get a 1st down or score point's and people sign a petition for players to donate that check from that game.

Guess what if it wasn't for fan's of the sport and to team's, player's won't have a job, plain and simple.