Oh SNAP Kobe says he would STOMP Lefraud in a 1-on-1 game.

I won't get in on the debate, all I'll say is this guy below is The Best/Most Complete basketball player I've ever seen (especially on offense).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyKgaeAoa-g&feature=more_related

Seriously, Kobe is ridiculously talented.

mont13

I never said he wasn't a good defender. I said he was an overrated defender, which is true. He still gets beat way too often and his chasedown blocks and steals totals trick people into thinking he's some kind of all world defensive player. He's not.-Halftime-

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]So many haters here lol. I'm waiting for Kobe fans to bring out the rings argument now :PChiliDragon

[QUOTE="mont13"]

I won't get in on the debate, all I'll say is this guy below is The Best/Most Complete basketball player I've ever seen (especially on offense).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyKgaeAoa-g&feature=more_related

Seriously, Kobe is ridiculously talented.

BaraChat

Yep.

I hadn't watched a career video of Kobe in awhile. The dunks, the moves, the footwork, ball handling, jump shots (with range, in traffic), athleticism (offense and defense), passing, intensity...etc. IMO no other player has had all of that in his game.

Don't know if Kobe would take Lebron now in his 14th-15th season, injuries and all, but to me it's a high tribute to Kobe that he is still being compared to the young stars of today. I can think of no other star that still compared at this stage of his career.

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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]Kobe would make Lebiatch cryLTomlinson21

We must be watching a different sport.

:lol: kobe doesn't quit what about 2006 suns playoffs when bryant decided to stop playing on both ends of the ball in the second half only taking like 3 shots I am pretty sure that is quitting.What about kobe's "fractured finger"(aka jammed finger)as for he can't shoot and or play better.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ludicrous man ludicrous is all i have to say for that.

I don't understand how someone that has led their team to 5 championships, been an all NBA performer, all NBA defender, Finals MVP, and smashed every record or the NBA's most storied franchise can be considered overrated. He's done everything. The only thing left to do is win more titles.-Halftime-

First of people call him overated for making threads like these constantly.He has led a team to 2 championships(Shaq) The fact that they compareKobe Bryant to Micheal Jordan is i think is the best reasoning for calling him overated.He has not done everything.People saying he is better than Mj and stuff like that.What other nba player has been compared like that. I don't think very many.It's funny how all the other legends get ignored and kobe magically becomes a top 2 5 10 or whatever thats why.

The rings argument is just about the stupidest argument you can bring up (no offense of course :P) But to say Adam Morrison is better then Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, LBJ...ect. is just ridiculousbobcheeseball

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]I don't understand how someone that has led their team to 5 championships, been an all NBA performer, all NBA defender, Finals MVP, and smashed every record or the NBA's most storied franchise can be considered overrated. He's done everything. The only thing left to do is win more titles.uefaeuro

First of people call him overated for making threads like these constantly.He has led a team to 2 championships(Shaq) The fact that they compareKobe Bryant to Micheal Jordan is i think is the best reasoning for calling him overated.People saying he is better than Micheal and stuff like that.What other nba player has been compared like that. I don't think very maining.

Kobe's on the wrong side of 30, and his knees have over a thousand games' worth of wear and tear. There are college players who could beat him in one-on-one.

For the record Kobe had 1 assist in the 7th Phoenix game mentioned. Along with Kobe, the Laker the starting line up was:

Smush Parker, Kwame Brown(Bynum played less than 2 minutes), Luke Walton, Lamar Odom! (Really, how did they even make the playoffs?!) In that game the starters and bench players shot:

Smush: 4 of 13, Kwame: 2 of 10, Lamar: 5 of 14, Brian Cook: 4 of 11, Devean George: 0 of 4, Sasha Vujacic: 2 of 6, Turiaf: 1 of 3. The question is, how many assits would Kobe have had if the shots were falling? (The Bench: Cook, Turiaf, George and Vujacic all played double figure minutes)

What Phil Jackson said about the 2nd half... "We wanted to get back in the game so we were running things through other guys"

Kobe: 8 of 16, Luke Walton: 6 of 13 were the only Lakers with good shooting nights

Kobe would lose. I think it would be relatively close if Kobe is hitting his jumpers, but LeBron has size and that counts for a lot. I have played many a jump shooter, but I have always been able to dominate them with my size and strength. LeBron would beat Kobe for sure.

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[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"] Nah, Kobe doesn't quit and also doesn't have mysterious "elbow injuries" that even doctors can't diagnose. Kobe is an overall better player than LeBron and would probably school him one-on-one. LeBron has the power, but he can't shoot and or play better D.-Halftime-

:lol: kobe doesn't quit what about 2006 suns playoffs when bryant decided to stop playing on both ends of the ball in the second half only taking like 3 shots I am pretty sure that is quitting.What about kobe's "fractured finger"(aka jammed finger)as for he can't shoot and or play better.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ludicrous man ludicrous is all i have to say for that.

Theres GamespotSports Forumcredibility :P ?

I don't understand how someone that has led their team to 5 championships, been an all NBA performer, all NBA defender, Finals MVP, and smashed every record or the NBA's most storied franchise can be considered overrated. He's done everything. The only thing left to do is win more titles.-Halftime-

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]The rings argument is just about the stupidest argument you can bring up (no offense of course :P) But to say Adam Morrison is better then Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, LBJ...ect. is just ridiculousChiliDragon

man yall act like 1-on-1 is the same game.

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"] Riiight...because Lebron couldn't do that with a half way decent roster :roll: Kobe is a great player but he almost always has a great cast with him. [QUOTE="ChiliDragon"][QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]The rings argument is just about the stupidest argument you can bring up (no offense of course :P) But to say Adam Morrison is better then Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, LBJ...ect. is just ridiculousbobcheeseball

LeBron was good enough to win 60 games back to back years, there really is no excuse. Everywhere you go you find an excuse for him. People just need to realize that he's a straight up ***** when push comes to shove and he'll always have some kind of excuse. It's funny because no one else but him would go blameless if they had the best record in the league 2 years and failed to win it all. LeBron ASKED for that roster from management. He got it, and was good enough to win 60 with it, TWICE. Excuses, excuses. You put Kobe or Tim Duncan on those teams and they would've been champions.

I'm sensing this is about Kobe daring Lebran and the Heat to make it to the finals next year so he can stomp them chumps for his second 3peat.

MortgageMan007

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I'm sensing this is about Kobe daring Lebran and the Heat to make it to the finals next year so he can stomp them chumps for his second 3peat.

Lostboy1224

Trust me David Stern is drooling in hopes of this for sure.

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I'm sensing this is about Kobe daring Lebran and the Heat to make it to the finals next year so he can stomp them chumps for his second 3peat.

Lostboy1224

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"] I don't recall saying that. -Halftime-

LeBron was good enough to win 60 games back to back years, there really is no excuse. Everywhere you go you find an excuse for him. People just need to realize that he's a straight up ***** when push comes to shove and he'll always have some kind of excuse. It's funny because no one else but him would go blameless if they had the best record in the league 2 years and failed to win it all. LeBron ASKED for that roster from management. He got it, and was good enough to win 60 with it, TWICE. Excuses, excuses. You put Kobe or Tim Duncan on those teams and they would've been champions.

Seriously?

I'm pretty sure Kobe didn't even make the playoffs after Shaq left. And after that they made playoff runs like Lebron but didn't win until he got the best PF in the league in Gasol.

I would love to see him win with the garbage Lebron has to work with.

Kobe would win that no doubt.

you all are digging too deep here. One on One has nothing to do with who is better, it's all about percentages. You want the person who is gonna get the easiest shots. Since their talent is on the same level, i will always go with the bigger and more physical person because you can count on them getting higher percentage shots. Lebron could back Kobe all the way down to the rim because of his size, i'm not sure kobe could do the same to lebron. Does this GUARANTEE that Lebron would win? of course not. But it would increase the percentages.

Think about this one, cause i had an argument similar to this nearly 10 years ago. Take the 2 people's names i'm about to mention, and their popularity, out of consideration. I used to argue that i would take Vlade Divac (circa 2001) vs someone like Allen Iverson (of that same year) because of the quality of shots one would get over the other.And my friends called me crazy. Vlade was a good enough ball handler that he could have backed down Iverson without worrying about getting the ball stolen and shoot nothing but layups, while on D Vlade would just stand in the middle of the paint and force Iverson to shoot Jumpers. Once again does this GUARANTEE that Vlade would win? of course not. But the percentages would be way in his favor. Does this mean Vlade is better? No.

Now the size discrepency between Lebron and Kobe is nowhere near that of Vlade and A.I. but he is taller, heavier, stronger and younger, and those are all things that factor in. And once again that wouldn't make lebron better than kobe if he won or vice versa. Just my 2 cents

Seeee, sixringz, it ain't so bad discussing things with me. I almsot posted a similar comment but decided to sit back and read the posts only

But I think Kobe vs Lebron would come to a back-down contest, with the advantage to the bigger/stronger man (and you know I think Kobe is much more skilled than Lebron).

I'm old enough to remember Dr. J vs Jabbar one on one, Jabbar just backed him down and sky hooked over him. Unless they adjust the rules somehow to allow for more open play it would probably be the same for Kobe/Lebron....but they would have to drag Kobe off the court...he would'nt give up on his own.

you all are digging too deep here. One on One has nothing to do with who is better, it's all about percentages. You want the person who is gonna get the easiest shots. Since their talent is on the same level, i will always go with the bigger and more physical person because you can count on them getting higher percentage shots. Lebron could back Kobe all the way down to the rim because of his size, i'm not sure kobe could do the same to lebron. Does this GUARANTEE that Lebron would win? of course not. But it would increase the percentages.

Think about this one, cause i had an argument similar to this nearly 10 years ago. Take the 2 people's names i'm about to mention, and their popularity, out of consideration. I used to argue that i would take Vlade Divac (circa 2001) vs someone like Allen Iverson (of that same year) because of the quality of shots one would get over the other.And my friends called me crazy. Vlade was a good enough ball handler that he could have backed down Iverson without worrying about getting the ball stolen and shoot nothing but layups, while on D Vlade would just stand in the middle of the paint and force Iverson to shoot Jumpers. Once again does this GUARANTEE that Vlade would win? of course not. But the percentages would be way in his favor. Does this mean Vlade is better? No.

Now the size discrepency between Lebron and Kobe is nowhere near that of Vlade and A.I. but he is taller, heavier, stronger and younger, and those are all things that factor in. And once again that wouldn't make lebron better than kobe if he won or vice versa. Just my 2 cents

sixringz1

I agree 110%! I said something very similar earlier (just from my own experience) and you are totally right. The bigger/stronger person may not win every time, but the percentages favor them. I like the example you give too with Vlade and Iverson. Good stuff!

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I'm just showing how lame the rings argument is.bobcheeseball

LeBron was good enough to win 60 games back to back years, there really is no excuse. Everywhere you go you find an excuse for him. People just need to realize that he's a straight up ***** when push comes to shove and he'll always have some kind of excuse. It's funny because no one else but him would go blameless if they had the best record in the league 2 years and failed to win it all. LeBron ASKED for that roster from management. He got it, and was good enough to win 60 with it, TWICE. Excuses, excuses. You put Kobe or Tim Duncan on those teams and they would've been champions.

Seriously?

I'm pretty sure Kobe didn't even make the playoffs after Shaq left. And after that they made playoff runs like Lebron but didn't win until he got the best PF in the league in Gasol.

I would love to see him win with the garbage Lebron has to work with.

you all are digging too deep here. One on One has nothing to do with who is better, it's all about percentages. You want the person who is gonna get the easiest shots. Since their talent is on the same level, i will always go with the bigger and more physical person because you can count on them getting higher percentage shots. Lebron could back Kobe all the way down to the rim because of his size, i'm not sure kobe could do the same to lebron. Does this GUARANTEE that Lebron would win? of course not. But it would increase the percentages.

Think about this one, cause i had an argument similar to this nearly 10 years ago. Take the 2 people's names i'm about to mention, and their popularity, out of consideration. I used to argue that i would take Vlade Divac (circa 2001) vs someone like Allen Iverson (of that same year) because of the quality of shots one would get over the other.And my friends called me crazy. Vlade was a good enough ball handler that he could have backed down Iverson without worrying about getting the ball stolen and shoot nothing but layups, while on D Vlade would just stand in the middle of the paint and force Iverson to shoot Jumpers. Once again does this GUARANTEE that Vlade would win? of course not. But the percentages would be way in his favor. Does this mean Vlade is better? No.

Now the size discrepency between Lebron and Kobe is nowhere near that of Vlade and A.I. but he is taller, heavier, stronger and younger, and those are all things that factor in. And once again that wouldn't make lebron better than kobe if he won or vice versa. Just my 2 cents

sixringz1

i think lebron would win. he has the size,strenght,speed,etc... in his favor. but of course lebron haters and kobe jock riders will rip apart anybody who says something favorable about lebron.lol anyway i would pay to see those two go head to head. both are some of the best athletes in sports.

at this point Kobe is better, he is older more experienced and is at his prime. Off course he is betterThe_Last_Ride

you all are digging too deep here. One on One has nothing to do with who is better, it's all about percentages. You want the person who is gonna get the easiest shots. Since their talent is on the same level, i will always go with the bigger and more physical person because you can count on them getting higher percentage shots. Lebron could back Kobe all the way down to the rim because of his size, i'm not sure kobe could do the same to lebron. Does this GUARANTEE that Lebron would win? of course not. But it would increase the percentages.

Think about this one, cause i had an argument similar to this nearly 10 years ago. Take the 2 people's names i'm about to mention, and their popularity, out of consideration. I used to argue that i would take Vlade Divac (circa 2001) vs someone like Allen Iverson (of that same year) because of the quality of shots one would get over the other.And my friends called me crazy. Vlade was a good enough ball handler that he could have backed down Iverson without worrying about getting the ball stolen and shoot nothing but layups, while on D Vlade would just stand in the middle of the paint and force Iverson to shoot Jumpers. Once again does this GUARANTEE that Vlade would win? of course not. But the percentages would be way in his favor. Does this mean Vlade is better? No.

Now the size discrepency between Lebron and Kobe is nowhere near that of Vlade and A.I. but he is taller, heavier, stronger and younger, and those are all things that factor in. And once again that wouldn't make lebron better than kobe if he won or vice versa. Just my 2 cents

So...I'm confused how Kobe would win "easily".... Jump Shot-Kobe Speed-Lebron Rebounding-Lebron Athleticism-Lebron Inside Scoring-Lebron Strength-Lebron Steals/Blocks-Lebron Defense-Close but Kobe ....so how does Kobe win again?bobcheeseball

I guess if you're a LeBron hater or a Kobe homer you give it to him... Cuz as you have shown, LeBron is winning in more categories, and this is a 1 on 1 game, not a jumpshot game.

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[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"] I don't recall saying that. bobcheeseball

LeBron was good enough to win 60 games back to back years, there really is no excuse. Everywhere you go you find an excuse for him. People just need to realize that he's a straight up ***** when push comes to shove and he'll always have some kind of excuse. It's funny because no one else but him would go blameless if they had the best record in the league 2 years and failed to win it all. LeBron ASKED for that roster from management. He got it, and was good enough to win 60 with it, TWICE. Excuses, excuses. You put Kobe or Tim Duncan on those teams and they would've been champions.

Seriously?

I'm pretty sure Kobe didn't even make the playoffs after Shaq left. And after that they made playoff runs like Lebron but didn't win until he got the best PF in the league in Gasol.

I would love to see him win with the garbage Lebron has to work with.

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"] I'm just showing how lame the rings argument is.-Halftime-

LeBron was good enough to win 60 games back to back years, there really is no excuse. Everywhere you go you find an excuse for him. People just need to realize that he's a straight up ***** when push comes to shove and he'll always have some kind of excuse. It's funny because no one else but him would go blameless if they had the best record in the league 2 years and failed to win it all. LeBron ASKED for that roster from management. He got it, and was good enough to win 60 with it, TWICE. Excuses, excuses. You put Kobe or Tim Duncan on those teams and they would've been champions.

Seriously?

I'm pretty sure Kobe didn't even make the playoffs after Shaq left. And after that they made playoff runs like Lebron but didn't win until he got the best PF in the league in Gasol.

I would love to see him win with the garbage Lebron has to work with.

[/QUOTE You're comparing Antwan Jamison and Mo Williams to Smush Parker and Kwame Brown:lol: Not even close. Kobe had way worse teammates when the Lakers were bad.

Lol because Antwan Jamison did so well on the Cavs right? :roll: He was good in Washington but he didn't do anything for the Cavs honestly.

Mo Williams and J.J Hickson generally only scored because of Lebron. And the funny thing is, the garbage Lebron had to work with, he still managed to win 60 games with them.

Lol because Antwan Jamison did so well on the Cavs right? :roll: He was good in Washington but he didn't do anything for the Cavs honestly. Mo Williams and J.J Hickson generally only scored because of Lebron. And the funny thing is, the garbage Lebron had to work with, he still managed to win 60 games with them.

bobcheeseball

Funny you say that because Lebron had a pretty dam good defensive squad to work with and Mo Williams was averaging about 17 points and 6 assists while he was with the Bucks WITHOUT LEBRON. Why do you think his stats dropped when he went to the Cavs? because Lebron is the one that handled the ball most of the time. Where was Lebron when Mo Williams was keeping the Cavs in the game in game 6 against the Celtics? Lebron was 3-11 in the first half. where was Lebron in game 5? Lebron didn't hit one shot in the first half, not one!! people always like to blame Lebrons teammates but when you're the superstar of the team and you don't hit one shot in the first half, i'm sorry you're not as good as you think you are. he finished the game 3-14 and he quit on his teammates in the 2nd half. so go ahead and take your "talents" to south beach Lebron because we all know your "talents" are too good for the Cavs, I mean you did spoil them as you say especially by not hitting not a single shot in the first half of game 5 and then quitting in the 2nd half.

How is this 5 pages long? The answer is LeBron

Kobe = 6'6 205
LeBron = 6'8 250

Besides the fact that LeBron could literally go anywhere on the court that he wants because Kobe can't drive him anywhere LeBron is also faster.

So how the heck is someone who's bigger and faster going to lose?

Jim Rome on Kobe vs Lebron 1 on 1

Jim Rome on Kobe vs Lebron 1 on 1

andyboiii

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]Lol because Antwan Jamison did so well on the Cavs right? :roll: He was good in Washington but he didn't do anything for the Cavs honestly. Mo Williams and J.J Hickson generally only scored because of Lebron. And the funny thing is, the garbage Lebron had to work with, he still managed to win 60 games with them.

andyboiii

Funny you say that because Lebron had a pretty dam good defensive squad to work with and Mo Williams was averaging about 17 points and 6 assists while he was with the Bucks WITHOUT LEBRON. Why do you think his stats dropped when he went to the Cavs? because Lebron is the one that handled the ball most of the time.

His stats are nearly identical when he moved the Cavs, except his 3 point FG% went up.

And about the other stuff. I dislike Lebron. He's a jerk for what he did and stuff, but in a 1 on 1 there is really no competition.