Pete Rose could be reinstated as early as friday.

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#1 Alter_Echo
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And would be eligible for the next Hall of Fame session.

Your thoughts?

Personally, they either have to reinstate him or they have to ban everyone associated with steriods. If what he did is cheating or unethical so is everything else.

EDIT : Evidently the whole "as early as friday" part of the article was not substantiated and has since been edited out.

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I think he belongs in the hall,but I do not think he should be allowed anywhere else near baseball. And talking of steroids hank arons hall of fame comments were pretty interesting.
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#3 dodgerblue13
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Even if he is reinstated he may have trouble getting enough votes as hard as that is to believe.
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#4 Oleg_Huzwog
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Rose has no business in the Hall or anywhere else in baseball. What he did was far more damaging to the game than juicing.

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#5 Alter_Echo
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What he did while it is pretty bad has nothing to do with his personal accomplishments as a player. Even if he threw games he still has all those hits.

I think him being in the hall based on his playing is a lot more warranted than a juicer being in there based on theirs.

I dont really agree with him being fully reinstated or having anything to do with baseball, i just think he deserves to at least be eligible to get on a HoF ballot. Even though everyone knows he would never get in.

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#6 NetYankEagle
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He belongs in the hall and i hope he gets in for what he did while playing baseball.
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#7 Doomtime
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He belongs in the hall and i hope he gets in for what he did while playing baseball.NetYankEagle
I agree
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I would vote him in.
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Totally. Taking roid's is so much worse than betting on your own team, not saying betting on your own team is right but it's not nearly as bad as taking steriods

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#10 Oleg_Huzwog
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Totally. Taking roid's is so much worse than betting on your own team, not saying betting on your own team is right but it's not nearly as bad as taking steriods

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What? Rose came just shy of outright throwing games and you say that's not as bad as steroids?

It's not like Rose was betting to win on every game. He picked which games to bet on and then made lineup revisions based upon his selections. He'd do stuff like purposefully NOT bring a good reliever into a tight game so that the pitcher would be fresh for a game he had money riding upon. He may not have intentionally lost games per say... but he definitely was intentionally not trying to win certain games.

That is far worse than juicing.

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#11 murlow12
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I agree that Selig has no other options. Betting on games now seems rather insignificant in this steroid era. While I think it's dispicable to bet on your own team (even if you're only betting to win), Rose has served his pennance. If Vick can play in the NFL again, and Manny can come back with no remorse, then let Rose back into baseball.
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i think he belongs in the hall. i think he should be reinstated. also he still has to get voted in so let that be what it is. and if he makes it on the list for next year it will be a tough choice. there are some good first year eligible players like andres galragga, edgar martinez, fred mcgriff just to name a few.
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i think he belongs in the hall. i think he should be reinstated. also he still has to get voted in so let that be what it is. and if he makes it on the list for next year it will be a tough choice. there are some good first year eligible players like andres galragga, edgar martinez, fred mcgriff just to name a few. xbox360isgr8t
Actually the voting would be up to the veterans comitee.
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]i think he belongs in the hall. i think he should be reinstated. also he still has to get voted in so let that be what it is. and if he makes it on the list for next year it will be a tough choice. there are some good first year eligible players like andres galragga, edgar martinez, fred mcgriff just to name a few. mattykovax
Actually the voting would be up to the veterans comitee.

they wont vote him in. if ron santo cant get in no way rose will.
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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]i think he belongs in the hall. i think he should be reinstated. also he still has to get voted in so let that be what it is. and if he makes it on the list for next year it will be a tough choice. there are some good first year eligible players like andres galragga, edgar martinez, fred mcgriff just to name a few. xbox360isgr8t
Actually the voting would be up to the veterans comitee.

they wont vote him in. if ron santo cant get in no way rose will.

Im not disagreeing I ma just saying it wont be the regular pool of voters.
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Pete Rose among the other Hall of Famers is welcomed, but it all depends if they make it seem that once/if he gets re-instated will that be his 1st year of eligibility and thus being up to the writers, or will they make it seem that he has been on the ballot for 20 years leaving it to the Veterans Committee.
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#17 mattykovax
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Pete Rose among the other Hall of Famers is welcomed, but it all depends if they make it seem that once/if he gets re-instated will that be his 1st year of eligibility and thus being up to the writers, or will they make it seem that he has been on the ballot for 20 years leaving it to the Veterans Committee.Mister__Awesome
Its being reported that it will be up to the veterans comitee,thats why I mentioned it.
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Boston_Boyy"]

Totally. Taking roid's is so much worse than betting on your own team, not saying betting on your own team is right but it's not nearly as bad as taking steriods

What? Rose came just shy of outright throwing games and you say that's not as bad as steroids?

It's not like Rose was betting to win on every game. He picked which games to bet on and then made lineup revisions based upon his selections. He'd do stuff like purposefully NOT bring a good reliever into a tight game so that the pitcher would be fresh for a game he had money riding upon. He may not have intentionally lost games per say... but he definitely was intentionally not trying to win certain games.

That is far worse than juicing.

ALL AS A MANAGER! All his problems came as a manager. He's not Earl Weaver, Joe Torre, Tony Larussa, etc. He wouldn't go into the hall as a MANAGER he'd be going in as a PLAYER. There was never any proof that he did anything wrong as a player. That's like saying if Griffey Jr would retire today and become the manager of the Mariners next year and start betting on his team, then that would in some way take away from what he did on the field. That makes no sense. With that being said, he won't get voted in anytime soon because if i'm not mistaken, since it's so long since he's been retired, his eligibility goes straight to the veteran's committee and they wont vote him in.
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ALL AS A MANAGER! All his problems came as a manager. He's not Earl Weaver, Joe Torre, Tony Larussa, etc. He wouldn't go into the hall as a MANAGER he'd be going in as a PLAYER. There was never any proof that he did anything wrong as a player. That's like saying if Griffey Jr would retire today and become the manager of the Mariners next year and start betting on his team, then that would in some way take away from what he did on the field. That makes no sense. With that being said, he won't get voted in anytime soon because if i'm not mistaken, since it's so long since he's been retired, his eligibility goes straight to the veteran's committee and they wont vote him in. sixringz1

I'm curious as to what part of the process you object to. Is it MLB's placing Rose on the ineligible list? (an action I'd like to point as one that Rose voluntarily accepted.) Is it HOF's rule against players on the ineligible list? Maybe you object to MLB only maintaining a single list?

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[QUOTE="sixringz1"]ALL AS A MANAGER! All his problems came as a manager. He's not Earl Weaver, Joe Torre, Tony Larussa, etc. He wouldn't go into the hall as a MANAGER he'd be going in as a PLAYER. There was never any proof that he did anything wrong as a player. That's like saying if Griffey Jr would retire today and become the manager of the Mariners next year and start betting on his team, then that would in some way take away from what he did on the field. That makes no sense. With that being said, he won't get voted in anytime soon because if i'm not mistaken, since it's so long since he's been retired, his eligibility goes straight to the veteran's committee and they wont vote him in. Oleg_Huzwog

I'm curious as to what part of the process you object to. Is it MLB's placing Rose on the ineligible list? (an action I'd like to point as one that Rose voluntarily accepted.) Is it HOF's rule against players on the ineligible list? Maybe you object to MLB only maintaining a single list?

I'm not one of these "free pete rose" type people. I won't lose any sleep either way,i just think the way the hall of fame is set up, you CAN'T keep him out because ALL of his issues came AFTER his playing career. Anything you do after your career, right or wrong, has NOTHING to do with what you did in your playing days.OJ Simpson murdered two people and got away with it, and is now spending the rest of his life in Jail for another crime, but in no way does that diminish the player he was. It's just the way it is in the Hall of Fame in all sports. You have players, coaches, owners, commissioners, announcers, sports writers, etc. all seperated in the hall whether right or wrong. Joe Torre will go to the Hall of Fame because he was a great MANAGER, not cause he was a great player (and he won an mvp). You can't take the average of the 2 careers and come up with a total sum to decide whether he is "hall worthy". It's just how it is. Pete Rose AS A PLAYER, is a no brainer hall of famer. If his gambling issues were tied to his playing days, then we'd have a completely different argument, but his managing had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his playing career.

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#21 Oleg_Huzwog
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...but his managing had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his playing career.sixringz1

Don't forget he was baseball's last player-manager. His managing most definitely had something to do with his playing career. Hell, one could argue that he was the only manager in the game who was willing to keep sticking him in the lineup long enough for him to break Cobb's record.

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He didn't cheat at the game of baseball, he cheated at gambling. As a player, he's a surefire hall of famer. If he were under consideration as a manager I'd say keep him out, but as a player he absolutely deserves to be in.

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#23 Oleg_Huzwog
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He didn't cheat at the game of baseball, he cheated at gambling. As a player, he's a surefire hall of famer. If he were under consideration as a manager I'd say keep him out, but as a player he absolutely deserves to be in.

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Since when is cheating a reason to keep someone out of the HOF? Gaylord Perry is in.

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[QUOTE="sixringz1"]...but his managing had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his playing career.Oleg_Huzwog

Don't forget he was baseball's last player-manager. His managing most definitely had something to do with his playing career. Hell, one could argue that he was the only manager in the game who was willing to keep sticking him in the lineup long enough for him to break Cobb's record.

Yes but there was never any evidence that he gambled during those years. In the Dawd report, which blew the whistle on this whole thing, it said that there was ZERO evidence of him betting on baseball prior to 1987 (he was player manager 84-86), only evidence of him betting on other sports. Does that mean that it's 100% certain he never bet while player manager, of course not, but that was a very in depth investigation and it found nothing to indicate he bet while still playing. Trust me if there was even a sniff of evidence to suggest he bet while PLAYING, oh there would be all hell being raised. Nobody would want him to get anywhere near the HOF.
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I read in the paper this morning that this is totally false.
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#26 mattykovax
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I read in the paper this morning that this is totally false. Second_Rook
Yup heard that on sports radio today.