Roger Goodell considers having 14 to 16 teams in the playoffs

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Not too sure why so many people want to see people die at an early age but ehhh, ok.....

First of all if you're against this change you haven't watched an NFL game since the 70's when they started expanding the playoff formula so if you have a problem with expanding the playoffs you can kindly shut your mouth, you haven't watched a game in over 4 decades.

What we're seeing is that the NFL season for the most part is a sprint, a three game losing streak destroys your entire season. There's such a need to get players back on the field faster that it significantly impacts their lives while playing and when they're out of football. We're just starting to see the effects of playing professional football in the modern age.

Now there's been talks to extend the season but that doesn't do anything, you're still in that sprint and the players are still going to be rushed back in order to claim a playoff spot.

On the other hand if you increase the number of spots in the postseason you allow teams to rest an injured player, go on that three game losing streak, and still get into the playoffs.

The only reason a player is rushed back is to secure a playoff spot. If that problem is eliminated then instances of rushing a player back onto the field decrease.

Anyone who says this hurts the product or somehow decreases the importance of the regular season doesn't know the sport.

There's always going to be teams that will shoot for the top spot and host the playoffs, there's always going to be that mission for teams.

On the other hand if your star QB or linebacker has a concussion they can stay out until they're completely healthy and your team can still win a championship.

Jaysonguy

I'm sorry you have a problem with facts

Also are you in the bunch that hasn't watched the NFL for the last 40+ years?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Not too sure why so many people want to see people die at an early age but ehhh, ok.....

First of all if you're against this change you haven't watched an NFL game since the 70's when they started expanding the playoff formula so if you have a problem with expanding the playoffs you can kindly shut your mouth, you haven't watched a game in over 4 decades.

What we're seeing is that the NFL season for the most part is a sprint, a three game losing streak destroys your entire season. There's such a need to get players back on the field faster that it significantly impacts their lives while playing and when they're out of football. We're just starting to see the effects of playing professional football in the modern age.

Now there's been talks to extend the season but that doesn't do anything, you're still in that sprint and the players are still going to be rushed back in order to claim a playoff spot.

On the other hand if you increase the number of spots in the postseason you allow teams to rest an injured player, go on that three game losing streak, and still get into the playoffs.

The only reason a player is rushed back is to secure a playoff spot. If that problem is eliminated then instances of rushing a player back onto the field decrease.

Anyone who says this hurts the product or somehow decreases the importance of the regular season doesn't know the sport.

There's always going to be teams that will shoot for the top spot and host the playoffs, there's always going to be that mission for teams.

On the other hand if your star QB or linebacker has a concussion they can stay out until they're completely healthy and your team can still win a championship.

Chutebox

Not too sure why so many people want to see people die at an early age but ehhh, ok.....

First of all if you're against this change you haven't watched an NFL game since the 70's when they started expanding the playoff formula so if you have a problem with expanding the playoffs you can kindly shut your mouth, you haven't watched a game in over 4 decades.

What we're seeing is that the NFL season for the most part is a sprint, a three game losing streak destroys your entire season. There's such a need to get players back on the field faster that it significantly impacts their lives while playing and when they're out of football. We're just starting to see the effects of playing professional football in the modern age.

Now there's been talks to extend the season but that doesn't do anything, you're still in that sprint and the players are still going to be rushed back in order to claim a playoff spot.

On the other hand if you increase the number of spots in the postseason you allow teams to rest an injured player, go on that three game losing streak, and still get into the playoffs.

The only reason a player is rushed back is to secure a playoff spot. If that problem is eliminated then instances of rushing a player back onto the field decrease.

Anyone who says this hurts the product or somehow decreases the importance of the regular season doesn't know the sport.

There's always going to be teams that will shoot for the top spot and host the playoffs, there's always going to be that mission for teams.

On the other hand if your star QB or linebacker has a concussion they can stay out until they're completely healthy and your team can still win a championship.

Jaysonguy

I'm surprised the people against me are actually encouraging deaths.

Very sad

I'm surprised the people against me are actually encouraging deaths.

Very sad

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

I'm surprised the people against me are actually encouraging deaths.

Very sad

Chutebox

I don't see anything funny about making people play until they die

This is one of the only ways they're able to prevent these things from getting worse

This is a black and white issue, you either adapt to a different format that will allow teams to take greater care of the players or you encourage the death toll to rise.

I love how nobody even bothers giving jaysonguy a serious response anymoreJML897

Who is this guy :lol:

I love how nobody even bothers giving jaysonguy a serious response anymoreJML897

Who is this guy :lol:

36Ounces

I'm right so often people get a little "peeved" at me

It's because I post on actual data instead of feelings.

You'll see people in this thread say things like "the players don't want it" and that's all well and good.

Except when you figure in that every person who's spoken against the status quo has been punished no matter what level they are in the sport player/coach/doc

You'll also have people say that expanding the system somehow weakens the system except it's been expanding for the last 4 decades

Then there's the people who don't care if a player lives or dies

Can you teach me? Chutebox

Of course I can.

The sport is at a turning point.

Just like when passing was illegal and significant injuries were happening too often and were too severe

It was either stop playing the sport or change the game.

It's happening all over again now.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

I'm surprised the people against me are actually encouraging deaths.

Very sad

Jaysonguy

I don't see anything funny about making people play until they die

This is one of the only ways they're able to prevent these things from getting worse

This is a black and white issue, you either adapt to a different format that will allow teams to take greater care of the players or you encourage the death toll to rise.

[QUOTE="36Ounces"]

Who is this guy :lol:

Jaysonguy

I'm right so often people get a little "peeved" at me

It's because I post on actual data instead of feelings.

You'll see people in this thread say things like "the players don't want it" and that's all well and good.

Except when you figure in that every person who's spoken against the status quo has been punished no matter what level they are in the sport player/coach/doc

You'll also have people say that expanding the system somehow weakens the system except it's been expanding for the last 4 decades

Then there's the people who don't care if a player lives or dies

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="36Ounces"]

Who is this guy :lol:

sherman-tank1

I'm right so often people get a little "peeved" at me

It's because I post on actual data instead of feelings.

You'll see people in this thread say things like "the players don't want it" and that's all well and good.

Except when you figure in that every person who's spoken against the status quo has been punished no matter what level they are in the sport player/coach/doc

You'll also have people say that expanding the system somehow weakens the system except it's been expanding for the last 4 decades

Then there's the people who don't care if a player lives or dies

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

I'm right so often people get a little "peeved" at me

It's because I post on actual data instead of feelings.

You'll see people in this thread say things like "the players don't want it" and that's all well and good.

Except when you figure in that every person who's spoken against the status quo has been punished no matter what level they are in the sport player/coach/doc

You'll also have people say that expanding the system somehow weakens the system except it's been expanding for the last 4 decades

Then there's the people who don't care if a player lives or dies

Boston_Boyy

needs to go into improving equipment. Chutebox

Yeah......

So the whole "players get hurt more often because they're wearing big suits of armor and throw themselves like trucks at each other" doesn't resonate with you?

You're seriously on the side of everything bad for a player?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="36Ounces"]

Who is this guy :lol:

sherman-tank1

I'm right so often people get a little "peeved" at me

It's because I post on actual data instead of feelings.

You'll see people in this thread say things like "the players don't want it" and that's all well and good.

Except when you figure in that every person who's spoken against the status quo has been punished no matter what level they are in the sport player/coach/doc

You'll also have people say that expanding the system somehow weakens the system except it's been expanding for the last 4 decades

Then there's the people who don't care if a player lives or dies

No they don't, know why they don't?

Because while we know the danger is there we don't have the specs on what today's players will be like in 20 years.

What we know is this, we have players who donate their brains to making the sport safer and what it's taught us so far is that every single generation of player has more brain damage then the last. That's a given.

The players today are basing the risk/reward on data that doesn't include what they're currently doing.

There's also the misconception that bigger helmets and pads will help, or that there's different stages of a concussion, there's too many old wives tales and incomplete data to make a judgment on how bad it is right now.

Things are getting worse and there needs to be a way to curb that without changing the rules, a larger pool of teams in the hunt for a championship does that.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] needs to go into improving equipment. Jaysonguy

Yeah......

So the whole "players get hurt more often because they're wearing big suits of armor and throw themselves like trucks at each other" doesn't resonate with you?

You're seriously on the side of everything bad for a player?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] needs to go into improving equipment. Chutebox

Yeah......

So the whole "players get hurt more often because they're wearing big suits of armor and throw themselves like trucks at each other" doesn't resonate with you?

You're seriously on the side of everything bad for a player?

Your lack of knowledge about the sport is $*(@#$ staggering, when did you start watching? 2010? lol

You're obviously in the group that wants to see people die so you can watch the sport as is, for some reason you like that. So much so that you lose all composuse when other options are presented.

Very sad indeed.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Yeah......

So the whole "players get hurt more often because they're wearing big suits of armor and throw themselves like trucks at each other" doesn't resonate with you?

You're seriously on the side of everything bad for a player?

Jaysonguy

Your lack of knowledge about the sport is $*(@#$ staggering, when did you start watching? 2010? lol

You're obviously in the group that wants to see people die so you can watch the sport as is, for some reason you like that. So much so that you lose all composuse when other options are presented.

Very sad indeed.

The sport is basically people running and hitting other people as hard as they can. You're going to have head injuries unless you change the very fundamentals of how the game is played.JML897

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] needs to go into improving equipment. Chutebox

Yeah......

So the whole "players get hurt more often because they're wearing big suits of armor and throw themselves like trucks at each other" doesn't resonate with you?

You're seriously on the side of everything bad for a player?

[QUOTE="JML897"]The sport is basically people running and hitting other people as hard as they can. You're going to have head injuries unless you change the very fundamentals of how the game is played.-Halftime-

I don't like Goodell at all. What a turrible idea.

Jaysonguy do you like the sport of curling?

Jaysonguy do you like the sport of curling?

Put_in_Kitna

Curling is awesome

Players do get stronger and faster, training improves and genes do as well. Wouldn't be surprised if you started seeing dudes killed on the field, the fact is Jaysonguy that people do love bloodsports, just look at Roman gladiators. Your average football fan doesn't care about anything else but the final score, just like my brother tonight talking mad **** to his Patriots, making racist remarks n such. They deserve props for making it a game, but instead my brother is going around asking for heads to roll. Man, crazy!X360PS3AMD05

Oh I understand that people want to see blood and death, the thing is there's arguments against it on either side.

The "it's not morally right argument" People shouldn't kill other people and we shouldn't encourage that to happen

The "I want to see a sport played well by world class athletes argument" If you kill off your talent pool you're stuck with a crappy sport

There's going to be injuries in any sport, especially football. The problem lies in the fact that no matter how much you "protect" the players with helmets and pads and different synthetic layers the brain is always going to be floating around in fluid and no matter how well cushioned you are from the brunt of a hit the brain does bang around in the skull.

There's a very good argument to be made that players are wearing too much gear these days and we need to strip down the gear they wear so they're not all 250+ pound missiles on the field.

Even with that you're going to have injuries and you can't change the rules because then the sport wont look like football anymore.

What you can do is put less stress on players having to get back in as soon as possible. Give them time to heal while also not destroying their team's season at the same time. An expanded playoff format does that.

Yes, an expanded playoff format does mean that here and there a bad team having a good day will beat a good team having a bad day but is that any different then a wild card team beating a division winner?

For everyone so against this let's imagine that this expanded playoff format is adopted. What about a Superbowl caliber team that loses their star player in week one and doesn't get them back until week 12 and then the team at full strength is playing some of the best football at season's end and gets into the playoffs with a losing record?

Is that a good or bad thing?

I don't like Goodell at all. What a turrible idea.

yokofox33

Lets just make it like MLB is now where half the teams get in and people who played good all year are forced into a sudden death game against a team that wasn't even .500!

Then that team that doesn't even belong in the playoffs can get lucky and win ONE game and completely negate an entire season of well played ball by the other team!

Fvck why even have a season if teams who lost more than they won can get in?

not very good ell is has been irrelevant for a long time and everyone else but him knows there are already too many teams in the post season.

Lets just make it like MLB is now where half the teams get in and people who played good all year are forced into a sudden death game against a team that wasn't even .500!

Then that team that doesn't even belong in the playoffs can get lucky and win ONE game and completely negate an entire season of well played ball by the other team!

Fvck why even have a season if teams who lost more than they won can get in?

Alter_Echo

Weak argument.

So you're saying that a team that's played great all season long can have a bad game against a mediocre team and have it's entire season washed away.

If that same team has a bad game against a good team they still lose, their entire season is still over.

This is why your argument is bad....

There is no situation where a great team plays a bad game and still advances.

And curling is awesome but i only see it during the Olympics.....speaking of which when are the winter x games?X360PS3AMD05

Lets just make it like MLB is now where half the teams get in

Alter_Echo

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

Lets just make it like MLB is now where half the teams get in and people who played good all year are forced into a sudden death game against a team that wasn't even .500!

Then that team that doesn't even belong in the playoffs can get lucky and win ONE game and completely negate an entire season of well played ball by the other team!

Fvck why even have a season if teams who lost more than they won can get in?

Weak argument.

So you're saying that a team that's played great all season long can have a bad game against a mediocre team and have it's entire season washed away.

If that same team has a bad game against a good team they still lose, their entire season is still over.

This is why your argument is bad....

There is no situation where a great team plays a bad game and still advances.

I was actually pointing my frustration at the new wild card format. A format that goes like this...

1. Team 1 plays well all year, is tied for the 3rd best record in all of baseball with wins in the mid 90's but lost the division by 2 games to the team who had the best record overall.

2. Team 2 plays .500 ball all year, is out of the wild card by 10 games and barely finishes with a winning record.

3. Team 1 is forced into a one game playoff with team 2....a team they went 7-0 against during the year and who they are 10 games ahead of.

4. Team 1's rotation is poorly stacked because they were fighting to win the division in the last week of the season. Team 2's rotation is fully rested because they were on "we already lost" mode for the last month.

5. Team 1's 4th starter plays a game against an ace who hasn't pitched in 2 weeks and Team 2 ends up winning 1 game.....ONE game.

So the team who won 90+games, was 4 games out of having the best record in ALL of MLB and who only lost their divison by 2 games and who WOULD have won the wild card by double digits doesn't even get INTO the playoffs AT ALL.

Anyone who supports that setup is a fvcking moron.

How can anyone who is a real fan of baseball NOT object to a one game sudden death system where a bad inning, poor luck or even a damn blown umpiring call can be THE deciding factor on whether your season meant anything or not?

The new format should have been either best of 3, whoever won the season series OR the much worse team should have had to win 2 to get in ( while the team who was vastly better throughout the year only had to win one ).

Selig is a dipsh1t.

TLDR : My main point is that very very soon there will be a situation where a team in the .400s wins the world series because they got in via the 2nd wild card and a mathematical miracle. Any setup where the above is possible is absolutely bogus.

I was actually pointing my frustration at the new wild card format. A format that goes like this...

1. Team 1 plays well all year, is tied for the 3rd best record in all of baseball with wins in the mid 90's but lost the division by 2 games to the team who had the best record overall.

2. Team 2 plays .500 ball all year, is out of the wild card by 10 games and barely finishes with a winning record.

3. Team 1 is forced into a one game playoff with team 2....a team they went 7-0 against during the year and who they are 10 games ahead of.

4. Team 1's rotation is poorly stacked because they were fighting to win the division in the last week of the season. Team 2's rotation is fully rested because they were on "we already lost" mode for the last month.

5. Team 1's 4th starter plays a game against an ace who hasn't pitched in 2 weeks and Team 2 ends up winning 1 game.....ONE game.

So the team who won 90+games, was 4 games out of having the best record in ALL of MLB and who only lost their divison by 2 games and who WOULD have won the wild card by double digits doesn't even get INTO the playoffs AT ALL.

Anyone who supports that setup is a fvcking moron.

How can anyone who is a real fan of baseball NOT object to a one game sudden death system where a bad inning, poor luck or even a damn blown umpiring call can be THE deciding factor on whether your season meant anything or not?

The new format should have been either best of 3, whoever won the season series OR the much worse team should have had to win 2 to get in ( while the team who was vastly better throughout the year only had to win one ).

Selig is a dipsh1t.

TLDR : My main point is that very very soon there will be a situation where a team in the .400s wins the world series because they got in via the 2nd wild card and a mathematical miracle. Any setup where the above is possible is absolutely bogus.

Alter_Echo

You do understand this is an NFL thread right?

TLDR : My main point is that very very soon there will be a situation where a team in the .400s wins the world series because they got in via the 2nd wild card and a mathematical miracle. Any setup where the above is possible is absolutely bogus.

Alter_Echo

I didn't even know this "1906 In the midst of moves to abolish the game of football (18 deaths had been reported during the 1905 season), Theodore Roosevelt personally encouraged reform in the sport. The result of Roosevelt's efforts to eliminate the violent nature of football in 1905 led to two milestone events in the game's history: The formation of the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States -- which is now known as the National Collegiate Athletic Association -- and the forward pass. Dangerous mass formations such as the wedge were also banned, and the distance necessary to attain a first down was extended from five to 10 yards." NFL.comX360PS3AMD05

Yes, I commented on that earlier

Anyone who has a problem with the sport being altered to preserve the life of it's players isn't a fan of football, period.

I didn't even know this "1906 In the midst of moves to abolish the game of football (18 deaths had been reported during the 1905 season), Theodore Roosevelt personally encouraged reform in the sport. The result of Roosevelt's efforts to eliminate the violent nature of football in 1905 led to two milestone events in the game's history: The formation of the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States -- which is now known as the National Collegiate Athletic Association -- and the forward pass. Dangerous mass formations such as the wedge were also banned, and the distance necessary to attain a first down was extended from five to 10 yards." NFL.comX360PS3AMD05

My source is Adam Schefter's facebook. Yay or nay?

sherman-tank1

terrible idea that rewards sucky loser teams and organizations for losing and sucking - punishes winning awesome teams and organizations for winning and being awesome.

I say keep it the way it is!