Should the NBA do something like a redcard, but different to people who flop?

I think flopping is becoming a issue in the NBA. Players are just flopping left and right. Like in Soccer if a player flops they are given a red card. In the I nbawhen a ref thinks a player flopped I think they should charge the player a foul for flopping He's trying to fake a foul why not charge the foul to him for faking.

Yeah make the refs suck even more.

Yeah make the refs suck even more.

Put_in_Kitna

Ya it would make players stop but it really isnt fair to be charged a foul when your only hurting yourself to begin with. When someone flops, yes its cheap, but they're not actually doing anything wrong too the other player.

The refs just need need recognize when someone is flopping which more often than not they don't. Im pretty sure they know though, but because the rules are based so much on acting and over-exaggerating to contact they're gonna call Offesive Fouls more often than not.

Thats why I hate basketball sometimes. Fouls are based way to much on acting and theres so many other things that don't make sense.

only if they also do something about the start and offensive players getting generous calls. i think flopping is a result of offensive player getting the calls more often than not no matter how little contact.

It should be a technical foul. Period. After a first warning, then a technical, then a second technical. Then you're out. Simple as that.

That's why I've stopped following european football (almost). Last year I tried to watch at least one or two games per week (not including Champions League play) and this year I've only watched 2 or 3.

Can't do it. It pisses me off. It's degrading to the beautiful game. And my personal beautiful game being basketball, I don't want it to become spoiled, but it just seems inevitable if no action is taken by David Stern.

David Stern will do nothing about this, they already said they would two seasons ago about flopping, but the officiating was indifferent in regards to this. He wants the Euro softies to get their ways to uphold a better international image for the association... I think it should, but anything that gives more reason for the refs to blow the whistle is also bad I do believe in this rigging thing, imo.

They need some standard rules -

• if one snaps head back intentionally passed 45 degrees and flails arms , it's a flop (foul)
• if one intentionally hits the floor after contact , it's a flop (foul) on them and an automatic point for the other team
• if a flop (foul) is called and a player disputes it , a FLOP card is issued in addition to the penalty (next flop they are gone from the game)
• NBA player with the most flops in a season is given the Vlade Divactrophy and is fined by the league (goes to charity)

Wow, you guys are taking this too far. I hate flopping and drawing cheap fouls but what you guys are saying makes no sense. We dont need anymore nonsense rules in the NBA.

Flopping doesn't hurt the opposing team like flagrants. Theyre just falling over. If anything it just hurts th flopper who throws himself down, and risks getting a blocking foul.

Theres no need for fines or anything like that. Not thatd itd matter. Everyone in the NBA is rich and couldn't care less. Why do you think coaches and players complain so much. Sure you hear theyre fined but it doesn't matter to them.

The solution is simple....refs, just don't give them the call when its obvious they're just falling down on purpose. Anyone can tell when someone is just stepping in or standing with their arms down just waiting to fall over as soon someone touches them.

Just don't call it....problem fixed.

I think some of you don't know the difference between flopping and taking a charge. It's nowhere near as bad as some of you like to think it is.

I think some of you don't know the difference between flopping and taking a charge. It's nowhere near as bad as some of you like to think it is.

Oleg_Huzwog

Oh its bad and imo theres no such thing as "taking a charge". Like 90% of all offesive fouls called are because the defeder just stood there just waiting to go wieghtless and fall back. Its cheap, theres no other way to describe it.

Getting hit or pushed by another player who is being over-aggresive is one thing....but to purposely stand in the way waiting to get hit is just cheap.

You can tell when players are doing it too. They either pretend to fall back just from getting nudged or they stand in the lane with their arms to the side bracing themselves to take a hit and fall down.

The only reason people take a vast amount of charges nowadays is because since the beginning of the 2000's they drastically altered the rules to favor the offensive player and that is practically the only form of defense now. Sure you can play defense with your feet but it's so inconsistent that taking charges is better even if it's 50-50. Gray Payton's hard nosed defense would be considered 'dirty' in todays game. And I think you guys are really underestimating the strength of these basketball players, sure they might add a little acting with waving their arms but when they're going full force at you and you still keep your ground you will probably be knocked down. Besides I think the bigger problem is the "yell flop" that a lot of star players do to get a foul and also when they hook the defensive player, they call it sometimes but they get away with it so many times.

Oh its bad and imo theres no such thing as "taking a charge". Like 90% of all offesive fouls called are because the defeder just stood there just waiting to go wieghtless and fall back. Its cheap, theres no other way to describe it.wildcat2000

If the refs are good, they should notice that the player if flopping and don't call a charging foul on the offensive player.

[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]Oh its bad and imo theres no such thing as "taking a charge". Like 90% of all offesive fouls called are because the defeder just stood there just waiting to go wieghtless and fall back. Its cheap, theres no other way to describe it.II-FBIsniper-II

I'll paste in what I said in my last post:

"Getting hit or pushed by another player who is being over-aggresive is one thing....but to purposely stand in the way waiting to get hit is just cheap."

I don't care what you call it or how you look at it. Its cheap to pretend to get hit.

I'll paste in what I said in my last post:

"Getting hit or pushed by another player who is being over-aggresive is one thing....but to purposely stand in the way waiting to get hit is just cheap."

I don't care what you call it or how you look at it. Its cheap to pretend to get hit.

wildcat2000

Taking a charge is not "pretending". The defender plants his feet, establishes claim to that spot on the floor, and absorbs contact initiated by the man with the ball. Falling over when taking a charge is unavoidable. That's a 200+ lb man running straight into the defender (who can't keep his balance due to keeping his feet planted). That's not cheap. That's good basketball.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="wildcat2000"]Oh its bad and imo theres no such thing as "taking a charge". Like 90% of all offesive fouls called are because the defeder just stood there just waiting to go wieghtless and fall back. Its cheap, theres no other way to describe it.wildcat2000

I'll paste in what I said in my last post:

"Getting hit or pushed by another player who is being over-aggresive is one thing....but to purposely stand in the way waiting to get hit is just cheap."

I don't care what you call it or how you look at it. Its cheap to pretend to get hit.

[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]I'll paste in what I said in my last post:

"Getting hit or pushed by another player who is being over-aggresive is one thing....but to purposely stand in the way waiting to get hit is just cheap."

I don't care what you call it or how you look at it. Its cheap to pretend to get hit.

Oleg_Huzwog

Taking a charge is not "pretending". The defender plants his feet, establishes claim to that spot on the floor, and absorbs contact initiated by the man with the ball. Falling over when taking a charge is unavoidable. That's a 200+ lb man running straight into the defender (who can't keep his balance due to keeping his feet planted). That's not cheap. That's good basketball.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I think some of you don't know the difference between flopping and taking a charge. It's nowhere near as bad as some of you like to think it is.

wildcat2000

Oh its bad and imo theres no such thing as "taking a charge". Like 90% of all offesive fouls called are because the defeder just stood there just waiting to go wieghtless and fall back. Its cheap, theres no other way to describe it.

Getting hit or pushed by another player who is being over-aggresive is one thing....but to purposely stand in the way waiting to get hit is just cheap.

You can tell when players are doing it too. They either pretend to fall back just from getting nudged or they stand in the lane with their arms to the side bracing themselves to take a hit and fall down.

You either don't see the difference between a charge and a flop or you don't appreciate how great a play taking a charge is.

Edit: It's not just you. I finished reading through the thread and there are two types of people: those who appreciate a charge and who know basketball, and those who cannot tell the difference between a charge and a flop and, usually, tend to think that the refs can differentiate the difference with a 100% efficiency rate during a full-speed NBA game.

This is such an awful idea, i won't even go into detail.

No.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I think some of you don't know the difference between flopping and taking a charge. It's nowhere near as bad as some of you like to think it is.

Oh its bad and imo theres no such thing as "taking a charge". Like 90% of all offesive fouls called are because the defeder just stood there just waiting to go wieghtless and fall back. Its cheap, theres no other way to describe it.

Getting hit or pushed by another player who is being over-aggresive is one thing....but to purposely stand in the way waiting to get hit is just cheap.

You can tell when players are doing it too. They either pretend to fall back just from getting nudged or they stand in the lane with their arms to the side bracing themselves to take a hit and fall down.

Lol, everyone disagrees with me. Thats ok. I don't really know how else to explain it. Like you guys said...the player is willing to taking a hit. That means they're willing to fall down.

By keeping their feet planted theyre willingly taking the hit and falling down to drawn the charge. If you're WILLINGLY doing it than you are acting...somewhat at least. I just think its cheap because its like theyre not really defending...I mean anyone can allow themselves to get hit and fall down. Even me. Doesnt even have to be in the game basketball.

I suppose its ok sometimes if you're already in the spot you want, but sometimes I see players run in at the last second to draw a charge while the guy with the ball is running towards the basket or even in the air attempting a dunk. I mean you have to admit it is a bit cheap.

You weren't there in time for the guy with the ball to have enough reaction time. Thats like getting fined for running a Stop sign that wasnt there until your car was half way over the lane and it just magicly appeared. You'd have no reaction time.

Lol, everyone disagrees with me. Thats ok. I don't really know how else to explain it. Like you guys said...the player is willing to taking a hit. That means they're willing to fall down.

By keeping their feet planted theyre willingly taking the hit and falling down to drawn the charge. If you're WILLINGLY doing it than you are acting...somewhat at least. I just think its cheap because its like theyre not really defending...I mean anyone can allow themselves to get hit and fall down. Even me. Doesnt even have to be in the game basketball.

I suppose its ok sometimes if you're already in the spot you want, but sometimes I see players run in at the last second to draw a charge while the guy with the ball is running towards the basket or even in the air attempting a dunk. I mean you have to admit it is a bit cheap.

You weren't there in time for the guy with the ball to have enough reaction time. Thats like getting fined for running a Stop sign that wasnt there until your car was half way over the lane and it just magicly appeared. You'd have no reaction time.

wildcat2000

No, it's more like seeing a traffic light turn yellow and trying/failing to beat the red. These guys don't have tunnel-vision; they're expected to have awareness of the surrounding defenders on the court. If a man has enough time to move over and plant his feet, the other man has enough time to pull back for a jumper or pass the ball to a teammate.

And as for the "not really defending", closing an open lane to disrupt what would otherwise be a high-percentage shot is most definitely defending. Steals and blocks are not the only methods of defending.