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#151 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Guess who one of the crybaby owners was?

Dan Gilbert. :roll:

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.... I would like to thank that douchebag.

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#152 JML897
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This free agency period is crazy.

"Nets have emerged as No. 1 choice for Dwight Howard, multiple sources say. D12 is expected to ask Magic to trade him to NJ."

http://twitter.com/#!/Chris_Broussard/status/145015466182713345

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#153 sergemyster8
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This free agency period is crazy.

"Nets have emerged as No. 1 choice for Dwight Howard, multiple sources say. D12 is expected to ask Magic to trade him to NJ."

http://twitter.com/#!/Chris_Broussard/status/145015466182713345

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WTF? I bet Stern blocks this trade too.
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#154 JML897
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It would only be fair, he'd look like a hypocrite if he doesn't.

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#155 Major_Snake
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eww the Nets? My favorite player can't go to a trash town like that! They already have enough "Giants" playing ball there...

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#156 No_Hablo_Ingles
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eww the Nets? My favorite player can't go to a trash town like that! They already have enough "Giants" playing ball there...

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They are moving to Brooklyn.
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#157 -Halftime-
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Guess who one of the crybaby owners was?

Dan Gilbert. :roll:

"I don't like it that some teams are being run a lot better than my crappy franchise, please stop it David :("

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He is such a whiner.
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#158 Major_Snake
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[QUOTE="Major_Snake"]

eww the Nets? My favorite player can't go to a trash town like that! They already have enough "Giants" playing ball there...

No_Hablo_Ingles

They are moving to Brooklyn.



Hmm... EVEN WORSE!

loljk Just don't go to the Nets and play for their Russian owner and J-Z D:

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#159 JML897
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The more I think about the veto the stupider it seems.

WTF are the Hornets supposed to do with Chris Paul now? He's unhappy, the rumor is that he won't report to camp which lowers his trade value since teams know the Hornets will just be looking for ANYTHING in return at this point. They're not going to get any better trade offers than the one they had. If the league vetoed the Laker trade for being unfair then they have to veto any trade that's even worse.

I don't like the Lakers but I really don't like the precedent this sets where David Stern can punish a team because their GM is smart.

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#160 kozzy1234
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Dan Gilbert still pissed off about Lebron I see

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#161 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Do Chicago fans fear taking a step back?
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#162 JML897
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Do Chicago fans fear taking a step back?No_Hablo_Ingles

I don't think the Bulls will be the 1 seed this year. But there really isn't that much competition in the East - there's the Bulls, Heat, and Celtics. Maybe the Knicks. I think they can at least get to the Eastern Conference Finals again.

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#163 JML897
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Wow....Brandon Roy is expected to announce his retirement today. That sucks. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7335092/brandon-roy-portland-trail-blazers-retire-due-knees-sources-say
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#164 ExoticAnimal
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Just saw that on ESPN. Can't believe he is retiring after 5 seasons. :(
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#165 No_Hablo_Ingles
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I can. Oden is next.
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#166 Conscrumptured
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"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?"

:lol: Good ol' Gilbert.

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#167 JML897
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Good news, NHI: You no longer have to worry about a 6'6" center.
Bad news: I'm not sure you have any center

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#168 Major_Snake
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I saw on ESPN Houston Rockets were one of the teams that met with Howard. I would have no problem if he comes to Texas ;)

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#169 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Good news, NHI: You no longer have to worry about a 6'6" center.
Bad news: I'm not sure you have any center

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... I hate Chuck Hayes. He can go away for all I care. He is shorter than our SG anyway.

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#170 No_Hablo_Ingles
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I saw on ESPN Houston Rockets were one of the teams that met with Howard. I would have no problem if he comes to Texas ;)

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We have his best friend on our team >.> If Howard wears a Rockets jersey... it would be the greatest day ever. Since Yao retired, there is a 7'5 sized hole in my NBA heart... Howard would fill that well enough
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#171 Master_Live
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NBA turns Chris Paul deal into disasterNixed Paul trade shows trouble with NBA owning HornetsStern needs to reverse course, sign off on Paul trade NBA going down the toilet.
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#172 Major_Snake
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Even if the Lakers were to somehow end up with a "super team" with C.Paul and Howard. It is not a guarantee they win the championship. Everyone thought that with the Big 3 in Miami, but that didn't happen. The Lakers would be left with a very thin team. Who knows if Paul and Bryant can run the backcourt well together? Plus Mike Brown is COACH??? LOL.

It was such a great trade for the Hornets, I cannot stress that enough.

But I guess with the NBA it wasn't a basketball decision... it was a money decision for the Hornets. For the very short term too! End of the season Paul is gone anyway.

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#173 No_Hablo_Ingles
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I am starting to think it kind of the small market teams fault that these NBA all stars are able to even play in those large markets....
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#174 Conscrumptured
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It is not a guarantee they win the championship. Everyone thought that with the Big 3 in Miami, but that didn't happen.

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Actually, I remember reading and hearing more "experts" and analysts talk about how it would take Miami one, maybe two, years before they really started coming together as a team and making it to the Finals, winning championships. There were some who spoke of them going all the way their first year, but not more than those who said it would be later. And you're acting like "that didn't happen," like it can't happen. :D They made it to the Finals. Of course, when they got there, they didn't really know what to do, but it was still only one year.
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#175 Major_Snake
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[QUOTE="Major_Snake"]

It is not a guarantee they win the championship. Everyone thought that with the Big 3 in Miami, but that didn't happen.

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Actually, I remember reading and hearing more "experts" and analysts talk about how it would take Miami one, maybe two, years before they really started coming together as a team and making it to the Finals, winning championships. There were some who spoke of them going all the way their first year, but not more than those who said it would be later. And you're acting like "that didn't happen," like it can't happen. :D They made it to the Finals. Of course, when they got there, they didn't really know what to do, but it was still only one year.

Oh it definately can happen. They DID make it to the Finals. I just remember plenty of people handing out the title to the Heat before the season began.

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#176 Major_Snake
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In other News... good for the Knicks to add some defense since I believe they are getting Tyson Chandler

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#177 Master_Live
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I am starting to think it kind of the small market teams fault that these NBA all stars are able to even play in those large markets....No_Hablo_Ingles
How so?
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#178 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]I am starting to think it kind of the small market teams fault that these NBA all stars are able to even play in those large markets....Master_Live
How so?

They do trades and sign and trades, giving them away so they will get something for them. I understand the logic behind it, and in some cases it is a great deal... but is some cases the value doesn't add up and I think it's best to keep the player. When you trade them or do sign in trade deals, not only do you not get equal value for them, but (in the case of CP3 and Melo) you are trading them to a large market team team that would not be capable of getting that player via free agency. In the Laker deal, they would have no shot a getting CP3 in free agency since they have the highest payroll and few expiring contracts. I think if a team is going to lose a star, unless you get equal value you do not trade them. If you are going into rebuilding mode, get a clean start like the Cavs almost have.
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#179 Major_Snake
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Sometimes the players dictate where they want to go. Paul has made it clear that he doesn't want to stay in New Orleans. 'Melo did the same to Denver and Bosh in Toronto.
Then sometimes you see DUMB trades like with Memphis who traded away Gasol for basically nothing.

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#180 Master_Live
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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]I am starting to think it kind of the small market teams fault that these NBA all stars are able to even play in those large markets....No_Hablo_Ingles
How so?

They do trades and sign and trades, giving them away so they will get something for them. I understand the logic behind it, and in some cases it is a great deal... but is some cases the value doesn't add up and I think it's best to keep the player. When you trade them or do sign in trade deals, not only do you not get equal value for them, but (in the case of CP3 and Melo) you are trading them to a large market team team that would not be capable of getting that player via free agency. In the Laker deal, they would have no shot a getting CP3 in free agency since they have the highest payroll and few expiring contracts. I think if a team is going to lose a star, unless you get equal value you do not trade them. If you are going into rebuilding mode, get a clean start like the Cavs almost have.

No more sign trade in new CBA. Maybe the NBA needs to be like baseball in which if you sign a Type A free agent you give your 1st rounder and a sandwich pick to the team loosing the player.
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#181 Master_Live
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Sometimes the players dictate where they want to go.

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But is that right? For player under contracts I mean.
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#182 Major_Snake
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[QUOTE="Major_Snake"]

Sometimes the players dictate where they want to go.

Master_Live

But is that right? For player under contracts I mean.



Well not really I guess, but they can definately not sign an extension so they definately won't stay where they are. Then it's up to the teams to try and get the best deal for them before their contracts are up.

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#183 No_Hablo_Ingles
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That doesn't mean you have to trade them for pennies on the dollar. I, personally, do not like getting taken advantage of. I would never trade $1 for 50 cent because of the fear of losing the dollar for nothing. If the players go to FA, very few large market teams actually have the money to get the Melos and CP3s of the world. Actually most large market teams wouldn't have a chance at all (Celtics, Lakers, etc. are all over the cap). If they hit free agency, they will most likely go to a mid to low tier teams.
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#184 Master_Live
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NBAPA is a joke, MLBPA or the NFLPA would DESTROY the commissioner if he ever pull a stunt like this.

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#185 Master_Live
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I hope Chris Paul does sue the NBA.
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#186 mont13
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All the more reason I don't like David Stern.

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NBA is one giant joke right now. Times like these make me not really care that the Sonics are gone.
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#188 JML897
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Greg Oden's hurt. He might be out for the year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7336972/report-trail-blazers-greg-oden-suffers-setback-miss-entire-season

He might want to just follow Brandon Roy at this point.

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I just want this season to start already. This crap is getting really ugly.

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#190 Conscrumptured
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NBA is one giant joke right now. Times like these make me not really care that the Sonics are gone.monkeytoes61
I know what you mean. But I still miss them. :(
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#191 TheGrat1
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David Stern is my hero right now. PLEASE don't let this trade happen. I'm convinced Jerry West has Leslie Alexander's (Rockets owner) family at gunpoint, it's the only way I can believe it would even be agreed to.

>.> I hate being a Rocket fan. I am going to cry in the corner... then write an angry letter to Rockets management.

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I'm with you brother! :cry:

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#192 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Greg Oden's hurt. He might be out for the year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7336972/report-trail-blazers-greg-oden-suffers-setback-miss-entire-season

He might want to just follow Brandon Roy at this point.

JML897

Wow....Brandon Roy is expected to announce his retirement today. That sucks. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7335092/brandon-roy-portland-trail-blazers-retire-due-knees-sources-sayJML897
I can. Oden is next.No_Hablo_Ingles
And NHI starts the season 1-0!

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#193 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Anyone else realize that the Rockets have 3 first round picks this year?

Anyway...

The talks were revived Friday afternoon after Stern took the stunning step of killing the deal in its previous form in his role as the representative of the 29 owners who took custodianship of the New Orleans franchise in 2010. The goal was to tweak the deal in a way that allowed New Orleans to come away with younger players and more draft picks, the directive issued by the commissioner's office after a trade that would've sent the Hornets three bonafide starters, a solid backup, and a mid-first-round pick was deemed not good enough by Stern....

Where the younger assets would come from was still being negotiated early Saturday, with potential candidates to go to New Orleans being Patrick Patterson, Courtney Lee and an assembly of draft picks, according to an executive briefed on the talks.cbssportscom

When I read this... why does it feel like 'The goal was to tweak the deal in a way that allowed the Rockets to get bent over a table and throughly ****ed by giving up MORE stuff, so the Lakers can can get CP3"

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#194 Chutebox
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David Stern is my hero right now. PLEASE don't let this trade happen. I'm convinced Jerry West has Leslie Alexander's (Rockets owner) family at gunpoint, it's the only way I can believe it would even be agreed to.

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]

>.> I hate being a Rocket fan. I am going to cry in the corner... then write an angry letter to Rockets management.

TheGrat1

I'm with you brother! :cry:

Ok, Lakers will get him next year for nothing...

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#195 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]

David Stern is my hero right now. PLEASE don't let this trade happen. I'm convinced Jerry West has Leslie Alexander's (Rockets owner) family at gunpoint, it's the only way I can believe it would even be agreed to.

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]

>.> I hate being a Rocket fan. I am going to cry in the corner... then write an angry letter to Rockets management.

Chutebox

I'm with you brother! :cry:

Ok, Lakers will get him next year for nothing...

with what Salary cap?
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#196 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]

I'm with you brother! :cry:

No_Hablo_Ingles

Ok, Lakers will get him next year for nothing...

with what Salary cap?

I mean Hornets will get nothing..I'm assuming they'll trade away some of their cap some how
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#197 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Ok, Lakers will get him next year for nothing...

Chutebox

with what Salary cap?

I mean Hornets will get nothing..I'm assuming they'll trade away some of their cap some how

That's what I was discussing earlier. I say it is better not to trade him, unless you get picks/young players. Neither of which the Hornets are really getting. To add to that, they will just be delaying the inevitable. They will be good enough to make a little noise, but NOT good enough to make any real noise. That is NBA hell, too good to get a good chance at a lottery pick-not good enough to make the playoffs.

I ask you this- How did the Thunder become who they are today?

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#198 Master_Live
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] with what Salary cap?No_Hablo_Ingles

I mean Hornets will get nothing..I'm assuming they'll trade away some of their cap some how

That's what I was discussing earlier. I say it is better not to trade him, unless you get picks/young players. Neither of which the Hornets are really getting. To add to that, they will just be delaying the inevitable. They will be good enough to make a little noise, but NOT good enough to make any real noise. That is NBA hell, too good to get a good chance at a lottery pick-not good enough to make the playoffs.

I ask you this- How did the Thunder become who they are today?

Yet, if you are the worst team in the league you aren't assure the 1st pick of the draft. Supposedly this is done to prevent tanking but to no avail.
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#199 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Answers own question, through completely tearing down their team and sucking for a year or 2. They got Kevin Durant with the 2nd pick, and proceeded to suck in order to rebuild. They traded Ray Allen for expiring contracts and Jeff Green (5th overall pick). They then went on to have the WORSE season in franchise history got the 4th overall pick and drafted Russel Westbrooks. The next draft they got the 3rd overall pick and drafted James Harden. The Thunder best players came via sucking and drafting for a few years. Now they are one of the best teams in the NBA.
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#200 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Yet, if you are the worst team in the league you aren't assure the 1st pick of the draft. Supposedly this is done to prevent tanking but to no avail. Master_Live
You don't need to be the worse team. The drop off in talent in the NBA draft usually occurs after the first 1-3 picks. Anyone of top 3 pick can help a franchise rebuild.