What happened to the people who said Kobe was better than Jordan

I felt it would only be right to at least wait til after the finals to ask this question but now that it's over, i have a few questions

A) Were you just too young to remember and really appreciated what jordan actually did?

B) Are you just die hard kobe fans and want to believe that ?

C) Do you really believe that

There was a post less than a month ago entitled "Kobe > Jordan". I laughed ridiculously hard then, and it's not even worthy of a response anymore. Please, some of those who said that Kobe was better than Jordan, please enlighten me on what you were thinking?

Who is Kobe anyway ?

I only know No.34 Paul Pierce.

Who is Kobe anyway ?

I only know No.34 Paul Pierce.

mkurts

Wow dude wow!

How cares what one person says!!! Wow u make it such a big deal! GET OVER IT!!!baseballboy6411

oh no. there may have been one person that made the post, but there were a number of people who hopped all over it and agreed. I'm just amuzed how now it's easier to find a unicorn than it is to find those people. Amazing

This is kind of a moot point. You can't compare players from different generations but since you incist I guess I'll humor you.

1) Jordan was a better teammate

2)Kobe has more raw talent

3)Jordan had six rings being the main man

4)Kobe has led a team that had less talent

5)Jordan took 8 years and was in his mid to late 20's before he won a title.

6)Kobe was drafted out of high school and won 3 titles before his eigth year.

My point is you can go about this all you want but it doesn't make sense to compare players from different eras. It's like me saying Shaq is better than Chamberlin. It only makes sense when they are going head to head. Jordan is considered the best but eventually he won't be. Kobe's career isn't even over so you can't say he is better than Jordan or worse.

I felt it would only be right to at least wait til after the finals to ask this question but now that it's over, i have a few questions

A) Were you just too young to remember and really appreciated what jordan actually did?

B) Are you just die hard kobe fans and want to believe that ?

C) Do you really believe that

There was a post less than a month ago entitled "Kobe > Jordan". I laughed ridiculously hard then, and it's not even worthy of a response anymore. Please, some of those who said that Kobe was better than Jordan, please enlighten me on what you were thinking?

sixringz1

what happened? nothing. as an individual, Kobe is the best SG of the era, and is easily on par with Jordan, if not better. i said it then and i stand by my opinion now. don't worry about me, coz i'm not the one feeling insecure here, knowing that Jordan probably couldn't have done much if put in Kobe's shoes -- possibly couldn't even reach the finals, if you ask me.

don't get me wrong, MJ is up there among the greatest of all time. but he is also immensely privileged ( actually lucky is what i wanted to say ) to play with arguably the best lineup in the 90s. i'm not gonna take the jordan worshippers seriously, not before they stop chanting and start looking at the facts here -- facts like how MJ is really just another poster boy ( which the league has no lack of ) before Pippen joined the team; how statistically a number of current players have surpassed Jordan at the same age; and how MJ really has to wait in line behind more than half a dozen of HoFers for the title of "all time greatest".

This is kind of a moot point. You can't compare players from different generations but since you incist I guess I'll humor you.

1) Jordan was a better teammate (True)

2)Kobe has more raw talent (Close but i'm still giving the overall game to jordan. Jordan's outside shooting percentage, which is often what is brought up in this discussion, is a lot closer to Kobe's than people think. I'm talking just a couple percentage points)

3)Jordan had six rings being the main man (True, and that is the main argument)

4)Kobe has led a team that had less talent (For the second 3 peat yes, but people forget the roster jordan played with in his first 3 peat. Let me run that down and tell me how talented you think they were. Jordan, Pippen, Grant, BJ Armstrong, Paxon, Cartwright. There bench Stacey King, Craig Hansen, Cliff Levingston, Craig Hodges. Other than Jordan and Pippen that team SUCKED. Jordan made everyone of them far better than they were. That roster has no business winning a championship let alone 3. Every night they lined up they were outmatched at every position other than Jordan's and Pippen's, and they won 3 rings

5)Jordan took 8 years and was in his mid to late 20's before he won a title. (True)

6)Kobe was drafted out of high school and won 3 titles before his eigth year. (True, but shaq won those titles, kobe was just there to give some assistance when need be)

My point is you can go about this all you want but it doesn't make sense to compare players from different eras. It's like me saying Shaq is better than Chamberlin. It only makes sense when they are going head to head. Jordan is considered the best but eventually he won't be. Kobe's career isn't even over so you can't say he is better than Jordan or worse.

Correyov31

of course i can. Why can't I. I agree you can't compare people from different generations who have had similar accompishment throughout their career (ie, shaq and wilt). But it's not like Kobe and MJ are 30 years apart. Their career's were right after one another and kobe hasn't come close to accomplishing what MJ did. I would have no problem with the comparisons when Kobe is retired and you have a full body of work to compare it to. But what in the world has Kobe Bryant done to this point to be thought of in the same breath as Jordan

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I felt it would only be right to at least wait til after the finals to ask this question but now that it's over, i have a few questions

A) Were you just too young to remember and really appreciated what jordan actually did?

B) Are you just die hard kobe fans and want to believe that ?

C) Do you really believe that

There was a post less than a month ago entitled "Kobe > Jordan". I laughed ridiculously hard then, and it's not even worthy of a response anymore. Please, some of those who said that Kobe was better than Jordan, please enlighten me on what you were thinking?

Jinroh_basic

what happened? nothing. as an individual, Kobe is the best SG of the era, and is easily on par with Jordan, if not better. i said it then and i stand by my opinion now. don't worry about me, coz i'm not the one feeling insecure here, knowing that Jordan probably couldn't have done much if put in Kobe's shoes -- possibly couldn't even reach the finals, if you ask me.

don't get me wrong, MJ is up there among the greatest of all time. but he is also immensely privileged ( actually lucky is what i wanted to say ) to play with arguably the best lineup in the 90s. i'm not gonna take the jordan worshippers seriously, not before they stop chanting and start looking at the facts here -- facts like how MJ is really just another poster boy ( which the league has no lack of ) before Pippen joined the team; how statistically a number of current players have surpassed Jordan at the same age; and how MJ really has to wait in line behind more than half a dozen of HoFers for the title of "all time greatest".

Best lineup in the 90's. Do you know there roster from there first 3 championships. If you tell me that was the best roster of the 90's please let me know what you are smoking cause i need that. And comparing accomplishment by someone's age shows your lack of knowledge. You can't compare the ages of players that come out of HIGH SCHOOL to players that play 3 YEARS IN COLLEGE. You can only compare by total games played. And as far as your insecure comment, you might want to check that. I asked a simple question. I never critisized Kobe or anything, i just asked a simple question. Now you are all salty with your response. It's ok bud maybe next year.

nah, i'm all good here. oh by the way, comparing ages is perfectly logical -- if a player is already doing better than another at the same age, in all probability he is gonna accumulate a better stats when he retires. it's not rocket science, bud. ;) and the 1st 3 peat...well, you go and think over what i said about Pippen. i really can't afford to restate facts every time somebody just argues for the sake of argument, sorry.

You are absolutley correct! In addition, Jordan never went to NBA Finals and lost. Kobe has lost twice...

He shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence after his last few gamesepic_pets

How cares what one person says!!! Wow u make it such a big deal! GET OVER IT!!!baseballboy6411

Somebody's upset...it's all good in tha Bean!! Buy Kobe is not better than Jordan...no way, no how...you can't listen to people in these forums anyway...

I don't know about better than Jordan, but just because the dude didn't win the title this year doesn't mean he's somehow now a worse player. Jordan didn't win every year and nobody was moaning about how "oh well he stinks!".

Anyway the NBA is WAY too focused on Jordan in terms of what a great player is. I know some fan's can't accept even the suggestion but there are players who were arguably better than Jordan...

I don't know about better than Jordan, but just because the dude didn't win the title this year doesn't mean he's somehow now a worse player. Jordan didn't win every year and nobody was moaning about how "oh well he stinks!".

Anyway the NBA is WAY too focused on Jordan in terms of what a great player is. I know some fan's can't accept even the suggestion but there are players who were arguably better than Jordan...

duxup

That may be true, but like it or not Jordan has set the standard!

I don't know about better than Jordan, but just because the dude didn't win the title this year doesn't mean he's somehow now a worse player. Jordan didn't win every year and nobody was moaning about how "oh well he stinks!".

Anyway the NBA is WAY too focused on Jordan in terms of what a great player is. I know some fan's can't accept even the suggestion but there are players who were arguably better than Jordan...

duxup

Actually in terms of finals appearance yes he did. every time he was in the finals he won PERIOD. And against phoenix and the second run against utah, the bulls didn't have home court advantage so believe it or not they weren't the prohibited favorite in every finals. I have no problem with people getting compared to jordan if it is deserved like oscar, bird or magic, but in this argument, or lack there of, it's not worth mentioning.

I felt it would only be right to at least wait til after the finals to ask this question but now that it's over, i have a few questions

A) Were you just too young to remember and really appreciated what jordan actually did?

B) Are you just die hard kobe fans and want to believe that ?

C) Do you really believe that

There was a post less than a month ago entitled "Kobe > Jordan". I laughed ridiculously hard then, and it's not even worthy of a response anymore. Please, some of those who said that Kobe was better than Jordan, please enlighten me on what you were thinking?

sixringz1

A) I was a little young when MJ won all those titles. I did get to watch the 1997 finals which were awesome. I wasn't into basketball that much back then because I loved baseball so much more, but even to this day I appreciate what MJ did.

B) I have been and still am a die hard Kobe fan. However, he is the MJ of this era hands down. If you don't agree with that, well then, I won't even reply because I try to stay as far away from ignorant people.

C) Yes, I do believe that he is the MJ of this era. I mean c'mon, who else has dropped 81 points in a game before? I know Wilt has, but no one else but Kobe after that. That feat itself deserves merit.

Also, I think MJ handed down his baton to Kobe in his last game at LA back in 2003 I believe. Didn't Kobe drop 55 points that game?

Kobe is the heir to the great Michael Jordan. I won't say he's better, because Kobe is still young and has a lot of basketball left to play, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe ended up right alongside Jordan when it is all said and done.

[QUOTE="sixringz1"]

I felt it would only be right to at least wait til after the finals to ask this question but now that it's over, i have a few questions

A) Were you just too young to remember and really appreciated what jordan actually did?

B) Are you just die hard kobe fans and want to believe that ?

C) Do you really believe that

There was a post less than a month ago entitled "Kobe > Jordan". I laughed ridiculously hard then, and it's not even worthy of a response anymore. Please, some of those who said that Kobe was better than Jordan, please enlighten me on what you were thinking?

IAmLegend7

A) I was a little young when MJ won all those titles. I did get to watch the 1997 finals which were awesome. I wasn't into basketball that much back then because I loved baseball so much more, but even to this day I appreciate what MJ did.

B) I have been and still am a die hard Kobe fan. However, he is the MJ of this era hands down. If you don't agree with that, well then, I won't even reply because I try to stay as far away from ignorant people.

C) Yes, I do believe that he is the MJ of this era. I mean c'mon, who else has dropped 81 points in a game before? I know Wilt has, but no one else but Kobe after that. That feat itself deserves merit.

thanks. you are the first one who answered the question. Nobody gave the reason as to why they felt that way before you, and they automatically went into kobe defense mode. I guess their insecurities got the best of them. I'm not here to change anybody's opinion i just want to hear their rational for it. And with your answer to A) i fully understand how you feel about Kobe. He's a hell of a player, and definitely the best that you've been able to fully pay attention to and appreciate.

bam i have balls, kobe is more talented than jordan, its not kobes fault gasol and odom played less than they are capable of and forced him to try and score on the best defense in the nba by himself. Give kobe guys like pippen and rodman and even paxson and kerr he would have won this title in 5 gamesGomezH2O

Give Jordan Shaq, D.Fisher,Rick Fox, Glen Rice, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, or even Robert Horry, and the Bulls go undefeated every season, your point is moot son.

I felt it would only be right to at least wait til after the finals to ask this question but now that it's over, i have a few questions

A) Were you just too young to remember and really appreciated what jordan actually did?

No, I was young, but I still loved to watch him play even at an early age although I didn't start watching Bball until the early 90s. He was my favorite player to watch.

B) Are you just die hard kobe fans and want to believe that ?

No. I truly believe that Kobe is a better basketball player.

C) Do you really believe that

Above.

There was a post less than a month ago entitled "Kobe > Jordan". I laughed ridiculously hard then, and it's not even worthy of a response anymore. Please, some of those who said that Kobe was better than Jordan, please enlighten me on what you were thinking?

Jordan is still the best to ever play in the NBA, but I think when Kobe's career is over he will surpass Jordan. Right now I think Kobe is already a better basketball player, he just needs to add some rings and mvp awards. All credentials aside, and just basing this off of basketball skill, talent and IQ, I think Kobe is better than Jordan. I am not a Lakers fan either; I just go off what i see. Sure MJ has all the rings and awards, but if you just look at talent, there is no way you can't say that Kobe is at the very least on MJ's level.

sixringz1

OMG!!! sixringz1 and it-is-i, is it really you!?? Wow, Thought you guys would totally give it up after that whoppin' I put on you months ago : ), hey, I'm just kidding......come on fellas! Bet you guys are havin' some fun now though, huh, considering the Lakers loss?

Too bad you're looking at it all wrong, once again!!!! But ya know, since I'm a nice guy I'm going to let you all have your fun, especially since I wasn't one of those who said Kobe was better. I said the comparison is not ridiculous and that Kobe is just as skilled as MJ.

By the way , it-is-i, it really is youwho can't stay away from this subject, huh? :shock:

OMG!!! sixringz1 and it-is-i, is it really you!?? Wow, Thought you guys would totally give it up after that whoppin' I put on you months ago : ), hey, I'm just kidding......come on fellas! Bet you guys are havin' some fun now though, huh, considering the Lakers loss?

Too bad you're looking at it all wrong, once again!!!! But ya know, since I'm a nice guy I'm going to let you all have your fun, especially since I wasn't one of those who said Kobe was better. I said the comparison is not ridiculous and that Kobe is just as skilled as MJ.

By the way , it-is-i, it really is youwho can't stay away from this subject, huh? :shock:

mont13

Wow this topic got brought back a week later. I had ended this a while ago. But since i am getting called out i feel i need to respond. First off i don't recall the whoopin you put on me, in fact i'm not really familiar with you, but hey i'm game. I asked a simple question with no critisizism towards kobe and if you read through this post you will see a lot of angry and defensive responses from the "Kobe is god" fan club. The bottom line is that you can never say a person who is halfway done their career is better than, what the majority feels, is the best player to ever play the sport. This isn't a game of projections. "Kobe is only 30, wait 6-7 years and he'll have all the accomplishments Jordan did". How do you know that? That turned out well for Griffey didn't. As stated above, at this point why is this a discussion. What has Kobe done better than Jordan. Fewer rings, Fewer MVP's, Fewer finals MVP's, fewer points per game, rbs, assists, defensive first teams, Defensive player of the year, etc., etc., etc. If this comparison wants to be brought up the day Kobe announces his retirement than that would be fair, but until then you are just embarassing Kobe because he is falling short in every meaninful category.

Oh yea as for that comment of people having fun now because Kobe and Lakers lost, yeah you're right i do kind of get a kick out of that because that was something Jordan never experienced. Jordan wouldn't allow his team to lose a 24 point lead at home. 6-6 in the finals with 6 MVP's. Guess you can add another check to Jordan :)

All i say is be careful what you wish for. He wanted Shaq gone. He wanted to be "the man". And the sad truth is that in the most important 2 weeks of his professional career, your boy laid an egg and point blank choked - PERIOD. Don't tell me about the defense either. Kobe has been in this league for over a decade, don't tell me he's never seen a double or triple team, a halfcourt trap, or an extra defender spying him wherever he goes. He had no problem being a great player through his career fighting through all those defenses, but when it counted in the finals he didn't. He had his chance and he blew it, deal with it.

kobe will be better than jordan, but not yet.

i think kobe can do everything jordan did as far as individualy. i think hes a far better offensive player and more physically gifted.

BUT kobe isn't as smart as jordan. kobe doesn't know how to use his skills to get easier shots. in the finals he struggled to get those points. but he'll learn. hes not even 30 yet. he'll hit his stride. when his mental game catches up, watch out

and this is coming from a guy who hates kobe and the lakers. but i cant bs and say hes garbage...homie can play

How cares what one person says!!! Wow u make it such a big deal! GET OVER IT!!!baseballboy6411

One person? Lawl, it's all over the internet and in all discussions about Kobe, so it definitely wasn't just one person.

"I asked a simple question with no critisizism towards kobe and if you read through this post you will see a lot of angry and defensive responses from the "Kobe is god" fan club".

Not as many "angry and defensive responses" we get from the "MJ is god" fan club when Kobe's name is mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan.

I assume most of your post in directed, in general towards, the Kobe fan club because I never said Kobe is better or would be better than MJ. We agree in that people should wait til Kobe's career is over to compare them. Only God knows what Kobe will do. He may never win another ring or may go on a "5 in a row Title run", or anywhere in between. The problem is many in the Jordan camp mercilessly bash Kobe every time he has a set back, which he didn't this year! The Lakers overacheived!!

As far as "Jordan wouldn't allow his team to lose a 24pt lead at home", you can think that, you can believe that, you can say that but if you are a fair person you will admit that its "speculation", because it is. You can't possibly "know" that, unles you are God. There are too many variables to say anything "for sure " concerning Kobe and MJ. MJ got to finals in his 7th year after being booted out of the playoffs 6 years straight. But if MJ was good enough to get a young, inexperienced, somewhat soft team to the finals in his 4th year as Kobe did (it was Kobe's 4th year with a team built around him), and had that MJ team played one of the best defensive teams in years, with 3 hungry veteran stars desperate for a rings, then MJ may have gotten crushed at home and in the final game. We don't and won't know because Kobe's and MJ's paths are different. It's all speculation.

So for Kobe to receive all the "hate" that he does, maybe not from you, but you know does, is just wrong. There are reasons why MJ's accomplishment list is like it is, and its not because he was soooo much more talented than Kobe. MJ's path was different. One example, MJ has 10 scoring titles not because he's a better scorer than Kobe, but because he had the green light from day 1 on a bad team. Kobe came into the NBA on a good team that didn't need to play an 18yr old rookie. But if Kobe was on a sad team from day 1(and didn't have to share with a dominant center), most likely he would have 10+ scoring titles.

Being crushed by Boston was not a failure on Kobe's part, the miricale is that his young got there through the toughest western conf, ever, thanks to kobe. But they are building something in L.A. !

If it weren't for the 81 point game, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Kobe has done nothing in his career, other than that one game, to put him in the same league as Jordan. By every other measure, Jordan was the better basketball player, hands down. He shot a higher percentage, averaged more points, more rebounds, more assists, and was just a better winner than Kobe is. Gamer556

HAHAHAHA you think it was the 81 point game that started the comparisons to Jordan? :lol: please kid, have you been watching the NBA at all? people have been comparing Kobe to Jordan for a long long time. and to think those 81 points were the only great thing he did in his career is very funny and laughable so therefore i'm going to have to educate you. were you to young to remember the 2000 finals when Shaq dissapeared and portland was up 15 going into the 4th quarter of the western conference finals? shaq had 9 points going into the 4th quarter, at one point in a timeout phil jackson told the team to not give the ball down to shaq because he was playing so bad. Kobe carried that team in game 7 with 25pts 11 rebouds(team high) 7asts and 4blks and is the reason they even went on to the finals that year. In that same year and playoffs Kobe carried the team when shaq fouled out in the 4th and basically took reggie miller to school the entire 12 minutes he was on the floor. I could go on what he has accomplished offensively and defensively forever. 8 all nba defensive teams, 5 straight 50 point games, 12 3 pointers in one game, 60 points in 3 quarters against the mavericks, the list goes on. but here's some links to the 2000 playoffs and some other accomplishments he has achieved so far in his career because you seem to think he hasn't accomplished anything other then that 81 point game.

Game 7 2000 Playoffs - (kobe 25pts and had game high 11rbds 7asts 4blks)

Game 4 2000 Finals - (Shaq fouls out in 4th Kobe takes over)

Kobe 55 points against the Wizards and Jordan

Kobe 12 3 pointers including 9 straight (set the record)

Kobe 8 time all defensive teams

Kobe scores 62 in 3 quarters against Mavericks (doesn't play in 4th)

come back to me after watching all that and tell me with a straight face he has done nothing in his career