Why does no one think Tebow can be an NFL QB?

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#1 monkeytoes61
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From what I have seen, he has the tools. He is very athletic, and very accurate. Plus, he has that fire, that competitive spirit that pumps everyone up. Why is he not being taken seriously?

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#2 Fizzman
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Because he would get destroyed by an NFL defense.

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He doesn't have the ability to pick apart an NFL defense. Am I saying that all 32 starting QBs can? Nope. Am I saying he wouldn't be inside the top 32 QBs in the league? Nope. It's been documented how low he brings the ball when he passes and his feet are somewhat jittery before he throws. These can all be worked on and improved, but with the work he needs, he can't be considered a top QB from this draft class as he is now. Also, his running ability makes him more than just a running quarterback, because he does it so well. He can run over, around, and past defenders and his threat to run makes the passing lanes open up for him. No NFL defense is going to bite on a step towards the line of scrimmage to collapse for fear of a run. NFL linebackers can stick with him and bring him down, so his running ability won't be as useful at the next level. Lastly, he takes just about every single snap from shotgun. I know that more and more plays start from the 'gun in the NFL now, but he won't be able to get away with a shotgun read on a defense every snap. I hope he doesn't flame out in the NFL; I respect him and hope he does well, but I don't think he'll ever be a top 10 QB. Top 15...maybe.
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#4 geaux321
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It's been documented how low he brings the ball when he passes and his feet are somewhat jittery before he throws. dodgerblue13
This. He takes longer to get rid of the ball than Byron Leftwich.
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#6 -Halftime-
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He's a classic example of great college QB, bust in the NFL(Most likely) He doesn't run a pro style offense, his mechanics are bad, and his running will not be nearly as effective in the NFL. He was a helluva college QB, but IDK how he'll do at the NFL level, but I wouldn't bet on him being great.
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#7 Tjeremiah1988
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All I hear is that hes a Jesus freak and has a long delay. BUT to think because of his delay he cant be a good QB in the NFL is a bit harsh. Why? Because theres really no telling if he would improve on the delays or go on a team with a decent O-Line. The bottom line is that you never know, give him a chance, i think he can do well. Sport "experts" always get laughed at.
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#8 duxup
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Because it is SOOOO easy to predict how college quarterbacks will do in the NFL. /sarcasm
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#9 dodgerblue13
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Sport "experts" always get laughed at. Tjeremiah1988
That's because everyone will jump all over an "expert" for getting one wrong. People don't question the experts who favored Peyton Manning. Those who suggested Ryan Leaf? Not the same case. People just expect these people to be right all the time. When a prediction pans out, no one will give credit. I'm sure there were plenty of non-experts ridiculing the Texans for taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush, too.
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#10 spinoff
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Considering he's projected to be a second round pick, I think it's pretty hard to say he isn't receiving serious consideration. He will probably be the third if not second QB taken in the draft due to his raw physical ability and work ethic.

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#11 X360PS3AMD05
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Because he can't.
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I think Tebow will be an ok QB at the next level for this reason. He's one of the rare QB's that would be able to play the regular QB position passing the ball... AND with his speed and size he could run a Wildcat style offense and become a double threat! He could totally give defenses headaches in a Wildcat formation because he's big enough to keep the ball and run... and he also could pull up and air it out deep. Some team will take a chance on him because of this rare combination of abilities in a Wildcat type formation.
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#13 MURDA_B
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Because he plays like a fullback that can throw the ball...that wont work in the nfl he will take alot of big hits and hits in the nfl are worser than in college football the players are bigger and stronger

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Because it is SOOOO easy to predict how college quarterbacks will do in the NFL. /sarcasmduxup

peyton manning was pretty much a sure bet, lol

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#15 geaux321
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Considering he's projected to be a second round pick, I think it's pretty hard to say he isn't receiving serious consideration. He will probably be the third if not second QB taken in the draft due to his raw physical ability and work ethic.

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The only reason he would be the second QB taken would be Jacksonville taking him so they can sell tickets. Clausen and Bradford are 1-2 easily, but it makes me cringe, because I don't think either are that good.
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#16 nickdastick
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Considering he's projected to be a second round pick, I think it's pretty hard to say he isn't receiving serious consideration. He will probably be the third if not second QB taken in the draft due to his raw physical ability and work ethic.

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He's not getting much serious consideration for being a QB in the NFL. He's obviously athletic so that's why he may go 2nd or 3rd round. He could be something else, I mean, he could run the wildcat... He could very well end up being a decent QB, but he's not getting much consideration from teams to actually play that position.

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#17 TaCoDuDe
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Well his mechanics are not good for one things. As far as taking snaps under center, it's a matter of learning the 3, 5, and 7 step drops and the timing that goes along with them, which can be harder than it sounds. There are questions regarding his accuracy. But, as it's been mentioned, it's hard to gauge how college qb's will make the transition.

Honestly, there aren't a lot of solid quarterback options in this years draft. Bradford and Clausen are the only ones who should get first-round consideration, and Clausen is arguable.

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#18 Los9090
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Why? Eric Crouch pretty much ruined the chances of scrambler quarterbacks from college making it in the NFL.

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#19 Jaysonguy
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Why? Eric Crouch pretty much ruined the chances of scrambler quarterbacks from college making it in the NFL.

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#20 dodgerblue13
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[QUOTE="Los9090"]

Why? Eric Crouch pretty much ruined the chances of scrambler quarterbacks from college making it in the NFL.

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Vick was all right until the whole debacle.
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#21 nickdastick
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Los9090"]

Why? Eric Crouch pretty much ruined the chances of scrambler quarterbacks from college making it in the NFL.

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Vick was all right until the whole debacle.

I still think Vick could get back to being a solid QB if he is given the chance to start for a team. And McNabb used to be a really good scrambling QB (he stays in the pocket more now).

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#22 geaux321
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think NFL teams gave Crouch the chance to be a QB in the NFL. I know he tried out as WR in some places.
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#23 squitsquat
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Because he is a scrambling QB. Scrambling QB's do not make good NFL QB's. There have only been a handful of good scrambling QB's because most of the time they rely to much on their running ability and not enough on their passing ability.

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Because he is a scrambling QB. Scrambling QB's do not make good NFL QB's. There have only been a handful of good scrambling QB's because most of the time they rely to much on their running ability and not enough on their passing ability.

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Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Doug Flutie.
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[QUOTE="duxup"]Because it is SOOOO easy to predict how college quarterbacks will do in the NFL. /sarcasmCDUB316

peyton manning was pretty much a sure bet, lol

So were a lot of other QBs... who sank.
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If I'm not mistaken, he has the slowest delivery. It takes him too damn long to get rid of the ball, plus he's more of a running qb
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#27 CDUB316
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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]Because it is SOOOO easy to predict how college quarterbacks will do in the NFL. /sarcasmduxup

peyton manning was pretty much a sure bet, lol

So were a lot of other QBs... who sank.

that's why i only named peyton....LMAO

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[QUOTE="squitsquat"]

Because he is a scrambling QB. Scrambling QB's do not make good NFL QB's. There have only been a handful of good scrambling QB's because most of the time they rely to much on their running ability and not enough on their passing ability.

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Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Doug Flutie.

Pat White, Charlie Frye, Alex Smith, Vince Young, Michael Vick, every QB from Texas Tech and all the converted wide receivers from Missouri. I can name bad scramblers too. Just because a few made it does not change the fact scrambling QB's in general are busts. and only 2 of those guys were truly great: Flutie and Zron were average at best.

However, Tebows problem is his delivery, which is so much like Byron Leftwitch's that its almost a given he will fail. Also, his arm is average, his accuracy is bad(that pick in the endzone he threw against Alabama speaks volumes about his NFL throwing ability: Hernandez was wide open, and Tebow couldn't hit him.), he comes out of a gimmicky offense, and his athletic ability and speed will not allow him to escape NFL caliber linebackers.

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[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="squitsquat"]

Because he is a scrambling QB. Scrambling QB's do not make good NFL QB's. There have only been a handful of good scrambling QB's because most of the time they rely to much on their running ability and not enough on their passing ability.

heysharpshooter

Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Doug Flutie.

Pat White, Charlie Frye, Alex Smith, Vince Young, Michael Vick, every QB from Texas Tech and all the converted wide receivers from Missouri. I can name bad scramblers too. Just because a few made it does not change the fact scrambling QB's in general are busts. and only 2 of those guys were truly great: Flutie and Zron were average at best.

However, Tebows problem is his delivery, which is so much like Byron Leftwitch's that its almost a given he will fail. Also, his arm is average, his accuracy is bad(that pick in the endzone he threw against Alabama speaks volumes about his NFL throwing ability: Hernandez was wide open, and Tebow couldn't hit him.), he comes out of a gimmicky offense, and his athletic ability and speed will not allow him to escape NFL caliber linebackers.

When do Texas Tech QB's run?
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#30 heysharpshooter
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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"] Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Doug Flutie.geaux321

Pat White, Charlie Frye, Alex Smith, Vince Young, Michael Vick, every QB from Texas Tech and all the converted wide receivers from Missouri. I can name bad scramblers too. Just because a few made it does not change the fact scrambling QB's in general are busts. and only 2 of those guys were truly great: Flutie and Zron were average at best.

However, Tebows problem is his delivery, which is so much like Byron Leftwitch's that its almost a given he will fail. Also, his arm is average, his accuracy is bad(that pick in the endzone he threw against Alabama speaks volumes about his NFL throwing ability: Hernandez was wide open, and Tebow couldn't hit him.), he comes out of a gimmicky offense, and his athletic ability and speed will not allow him to escape NFL caliber linebackers.

When do Texas Tech QB's run?

Its more a comment on spread-option QB's, and guess what, Texas Tech run a spread offense. They don't runas a rule , but they do run the ball more than the running back does.

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Tebow Struggles at Senior Bowl with Taking Snaps Under Center, Throwing NFL Routes. Scouts are extremely unimpressed.

Well, there you go.

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Tebow Struggles at Senior Bowl with Taking Snaps Under Center, Throwing NFL Routes. Scouts are extremely unimpressed.

Well, there you go.

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Really, on the first day. At least give him a chance.
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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Tebow Struggles at Senior Bowl with Taking Snaps Under Center, Throwing NFL Routes. Scouts are extremely unimpressed.

Well, there you go.

geaux321

Really, on the first day. At least give him a chance.

Its basic stuff. Taking snaps, throwing the ball. They are not asking him to throw routes under pressure or scramble and throw a forzen rope down field to a receiver thats being double covered. They are asking him to take snaps from center and throw practice routes most NFL QB's could throw in their sleep, and he is struggling to even do that. JaMarcus Russell put on a clinic at the Senior Bowl.

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A) He is only good in the shotgun B) He has problems taking a direct snap C) He will not be able to handle a NFL defense.
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Because he is a scrambling QB. Scrambling QB's do not make good NFL QB's. There have only been a handful of good scrambling QB's

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#36 Tjeremiah1988
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[QUOTE="geaux321"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Tebow Struggles at Senior Bowl with Taking Snaps Under Center, Throwing NFL Routes. Scouts are extremely unimpressed.

Well, there you go.

heysharpshooter

Really, on the first day. At least give him a chance.

Its basic stuff. Taking snaps, throwing the ball. They are not asking him to throw routes under pressure or scramble and throw a forzen rope down field to a receiver thats being double covered. They are asking him to take snaps from center and throw practice routes most NFL QB's could throw in their sleep, and he is struggling to even do that. JaMarcus Russell put on a clinic at the Senior Bowl.

Its the first day...of practice. Give the guy a break, really.
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FB playing as QB in NFL?! No way.
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#38 heysharpshooter
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FB playing as QB in NFL?! No way.Bloodseeker23

Maybe a tight end, if he runs a decent 40 time...

at 6'3, 245he's built like a linebacker... but I doubt he could make that transistion.

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Because he would get destroyed by an NFL defense.

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Exactly, same as Curtis Painter, he is terrible maybe the Rams will accept him :P

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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="CDUB316"]

peyton manning was pretty much a sure bet, lol

CDUB316

So were a lot of other QBs... who sank.

that's why i only named peyton....LMAO

Even then, there was a lot of debate in the media over whether or not the Colts made the right choice by picking Manning over Leaf.

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#41 Jaysonguy
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Well now it comes out

The reason he didn't do that well is that he's been playing with a temp over 100 and strep throat

Today his temp reached 103 and he had to go to the hospital

Let's see what he does when he's healthy

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did u see his delivery? His throwing motion? he cant even throw a slant route with that delivery or a quick out or in. I like the fiery attitude he has and he can be a leader, but he has too much to change to even be an average qb in the nfl. Running over kids in college aint gonna fly in the nfl. He could be a fullback but he too slow to be a tight end.

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#43 geaux321
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did u see his delivery? His throwing motion? he cant even throw a slant route with that delivery or a quick out or in. I like the fiery attitude he has and he can be a leader, but he has too much to change to even be an average qb in the nfl. Running over kids in college aint gonna fly in the nfl. He could be a fullback but he too slow to be a tight end.

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He runs around a 4.7, 40 which is right around what TE's run.
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Well, he was sick while he struggled with the elementary QB skills. I'm pulling for him to do something in the league. I really don't think he can be a quarterback, but I'd love for him to have a nice career in the NFL. He's too good a kid to wish ill upon him.
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So maybe he can't be a full time starting QB. But, he could be a serious weapon all over the field, Michael Vick or Pat White style. If the Seahawks took a chance on him, I would be happy.
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I could see him having a career like Jesse Palmer, pretty boy who will always be a backup...gets a lucky break on being on the Bachelor, then gets a job at ESPN as college football analyst.
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So maybe he can't be a full time starting QB. But, he could be a serious weapon all over the field, Michael Vick or Pat White style. If the Seahawks took a chance on him, I would be happy.monkeytoes61
I'm having a hard time seeing him as a serious threat. Brad Smith is a weapon because he can run against an NFL defense -- I really don't think Tebow can. Smith doesn't really throw much, but because he can run, he was able to hook up a nice pass against the Colts. I guess I just don't see Tebow's speed being too much of a threat. His size will be far less effective in the NFL, and his throwing isn't going to win him many snaps. I guess the combination of running, size, and passing will make him a question mark as to what he will be doing, but it'll be based more on the element of surprise than his talent causing problems at the next level. I hope that's clear...
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#48 InterpolWilco
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So maybe he can't be a full time starting QB. But, he could be a serious weapon all over the field, Michael Vick or Pat White style. If the Seahawks took a chance on him, I would be happy.monkeytoes61
Completely disagree. Michael Vick and Pat White are elusive. Tebow runs for contact. He runs INTO defenders, not away from them. I think if he tried that on an NFL Linebacker he'd get knocked into next millennium.
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[QUOTE="duxup"]Because it is SOOOO easy to predict how college quarterbacks will do in the NFL. /sarcasmCDUB316

peyton manning was pretty much a sure bet, lol

So was Ryan Leaf... Oh wait.
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#50 monkeytoes61
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Maybe he can find a starting job in the UFL. If Brooks Bolinger can be the best QB in that league, Tebow can be successful