From what I have seen, he has the tools. He is very athletic, and very accurate. Plus, he has that fire, that competitive spirit that pumps everyone up. Why is he not being taken seriously?
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From what I have seen, he has the tools. He is very athletic, and very accurate. Plus, he has that fire, that competitive spirit that pumps everyone up. Why is he not being taken seriously?
Sport "experts" always get laughed at. Tjeremiah1988That's because everyone will jump all over an "expert" for getting one wrong. People don't question the experts who favored Peyton Manning. Those who suggested Ryan Leaf? Not the same case. People just expect these people to be right all the time. When a prediction pans out, no one will give credit. I'm sure there were plenty of non-experts ridiculing the Texans for taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush, too.
The only reason he would be the second QB taken would be Jacksonville taking him so they can sell tickets. Clausen and Bradford are 1-2 easily, but it makes me cringe, because I don't think either are that good.Considering he's projected to be a second round pick, I think it's pretty hard to say he isn't receiving serious consideration. He will probably be the third if not second QB taken in the draft due to his raw physical ability and work ethic.
spinoff
Considering he's projected to be a second round pick, I think it's pretty hard to say he isn't receiving serious consideration. He will probably be the third if not second QB taken in the draft due to his raw physical ability and work ethic.
spinoff
He's not getting much serious consideration for being a QB in the NFL. He's obviously athletic so that's why he may go 2nd or 3rd round. He could be something else, I mean, he could run the wildcat... He could very well end up being a decent QB, but he's not getting much consideration from teams to actually play that position.
Well his mechanics are not good for one things. As far as taking snaps under center, it's a matter of learning the 3, 5, and 7 step drops and the timing that goes along with them, which can be harder than it sounds. There are questions regarding his accuracy. But, as it's been mentioned, it's hard to gauge how college qb's will make the transition.
Honestly, there aren't a lot of solid quarterback options in this years draft. Bradford and Clausen are the only ones who should get first-round consideration, and Clausen is arguable.
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Why? Eric Crouch pretty much ruined the chances of scrambler quarterbacks from college making it in the NFL.
Jaysonguy
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Vick was all right until the whole debacle.[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Los9090"]
Why? Eric Crouch pretty much ruined the chances of scrambler quarterbacks from college making it in the NFL.
dodgerblue13
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Vick was all right until the whole debacle.I still think Vick could get back to being a solid QB if he is given the chance to start for a team. And McNabb used to be a really good scrambling QB (he stays in the pocket more now).
Because he is a scrambling QB. Scrambling QB's do not make good NFL QB's. There have only been a handful of good scrambling QB's because most of the time they rely to much on their running ability and not enough on their passing ability.
Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Doug Flutie.Because he is a scrambling QB. Scrambling QB's do not make good NFL QB's. There have only been a handful of good scrambling QB's because most of the time they rely to much on their running ability and not enough on their passing ability.
squitsquat
[QUOTE="squitsquat"]Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Doug Flutie.Because he is a scrambling QB. Scrambling QB's do not make good NFL QB's. There have only been a handful of good scrambling QB's because most of the time they rely to much on their running ability and not enough on their passing ability.
monkeytoes61
Pat White, Charlie Frye, Alex Smith, Vince Young, Michael Vick, every QB from Texas Tech and all the converted wide receivers from Missouri. I can name bad scramblers too. Just because a few made it does not change the fact scrambling QB's in general are busts. and only 2 of those guys were truly great: Flutie and Zron were average at best.
However, Tebows problem is his delivery, which is so much like Byron Leftwitch's that its almost a given he will fail. Also, his arm is average, his accuracy is bad(that pick in the endzone he threw against Alabama speaks volumes about his NFL throwing ability: Hernandez was wide open, and Tebow couldn't hit him.), he comes out of a gimmicky offense, and his athletic ability and speed will not allow him to escape NFL caliber linebackers.
Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Doug Flutie.[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="squitsquat"]
Because he is a scrambling QB. Scrambling QB's do not make good NFL QB's. There have only been a handful of good scrambling QB's because most of the time they rely to much on their running ability and not enough on their passing ability.
heysharpshooter
Pat White, Charlie Frye, Alex Smith, Vince Young, Michael Vick, every QB from Texas Tech and all the converted wide receivers from Missouri. I can name bad scramblers too. Just because a few made it does not change the fact scrambling QB's in general are busts. and only 2 of those guys were truly great: Flutie and Zron were average at best.
However, Tebows problem is his delivery, which is so much like Byron Leftwitch's that its almost a given he will fail. Also, his arm is average, his accuracy is bad(that pick in the endzone he threw against Alabama speaks volumes about his NFL throwing ability: Hernandez was wide open, and Tebow couldn't hit him.), he comes out of a gimmicky offense, and his athletic ability and speed will not allow him to escape NFL caliber linebackers.
When do Texas Tech QB's run?[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"] Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Doug Flutie.geaux321
Pat White, Charlie Frye, Alex Smith, Vince Young, Michael Vick, every QB from Texas Tech and all the converted wide receivers from Missouri. I can name bad scramblers too. Just because a few made it does not change the fact scrambling QB's in general are busts. and only 2 of those guys were truly great: Flutie and Zron were average at best.
However, Tebows problem is his delivery, which is so much like Byron Leftwitch's that its almost a given he will fail. Also, his arm is average, his accuracy is bad(that pick in the endzone he threw against Alabama speaks volumes about his NFL throwing ability: Hernandez was wide open, and Tebow couldn't hit him.), he comes out of a gimmicky offense, and his athletic ability and speed will not allow him to escape NFL caliber linebackers.
When do Texas Tech QB's run?Its more a comment on spread-option QB's, and guess what, Texas Tech run a spread offense. They don't runas a rule , but they do run the ball more than the running back does.
Tebow Struggles at Senior Bowl with Taking Snaps Under Center, Throwing NFL Routes. Scouts are extremely unimpressed.
Well, there you go.
[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]Really, on the first day. At least give him a chance.Tebow Struggles at Senior Bowl with Taking Snaps Under Center, Throwing NFL Routes. Scouts are extremely unimpressed.
Well, there you go.
geaux321
Its basic stuff. Taking snaps, throwing the ball. They are not asking him to throw routes under pressure or scramble and throw a forzen rope down field to a receiver thats being double covered. They are asking him to take snaps from center and throw practice routes most NFL QB's could throw in their sleep, and he is struggling to even do that. JaMarcus Russell put on a clinic at the Senior Bowl.
:?Because he is a scrambling QB. Scrambling QB's do not make good NFL QB's. There have only been a handful of good scrambling QB's
squitsquat
Really, on the first day. At least give him a chance.[QUOTE="geaux321"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]
Tebow Struggles at Senior Bowl with Taking Snaps Under Center, Throwing NFL Routes. Scouts are extremely unimpressed.
Well, there you go.
heysharpshooter
Its basic stuff. Taking snaps, throwing the ball. They are not asking him to throw routes under pressure or scramble and throw a forzen rope down field to a receiver thats being double covered. They are asking him to take snaps from center and throw practice routes most NFL QB's could throw in their sleep, and he is struggling to even do that. JaMarcus Russell put on a clinic at the Senior Bowl.
Its the first day...of practice. Give the guy a break, really.FB playing as QB in NFL?! No way.Bloodseeker23
Maybe a tight end, if he runs a decent 40 time...
at 6'3, 245he's built like a linebacker... but I doubt he could make that transistion.
So were a lot of other QBs... who sank.[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="CDUB316"]
peyton manning was pretty much a sure bet, lol
CDUB316
that's why i only named peyton....LMAO
Even then, there was a lot of debate in the media over whether or not the Colts made the right choice by picking Manning over Leaf.
did u see his delivery? His throwing motion? he cant even throw a slant route with that delivery or a quick out or in. I like the fiery attitude he has and he can be a leader, but he has too much to change to even be an average qb in the nfl. Running over kids in college aint gonna fly in the nfl. He could be a fullback but he too slow to be a tight end.
He runs around a 4.7, 40 which is right around what TE's run.did u see his delivery? His throwing motion? he cant even throw a slant route with that delivery or a quick out or in. I like the fiery attitude he has and he can be a leader, but he has too much to change to even be an average qb in the nfl. Running over kids in college aint gonna fly in the nfl. He could be a fullback but he too slow to be a tight end.
blakgodofwar
So maybe he can't be a full time starting QB. But, he could be a serious weapon all over the field, Michael Vick or Pat White style. If the Seahawks took a chance on him, I would be happy.monkeytoes61I'm having a hard time seeing him as a serious threat. Brad Smith is a weapon because he can run against an NFL defense -- I really don't think Tebow can. Smith doesn't really throw much, but because he can run, he was able to hook up a nice pass against the Colts. I guess I just don't see Tebow's speed being too much of a threat. His size will be far less effective in the NFL, and his throwing isn't going to win him many snaps. I guess the combination of running, size, and passing will make him a question mark as to what he will be doing, but it'll be based more on the element of surprise than his talent causing problems at the next level. I hope that's clear...
So maybe he can't be a full time starting QB. But, he could be a serious weapon all over the field, Michael Vick or Pat White style. If the Seahawks took a chance on him, I would be happy.monkeytoes61Completely disagree. Michael Vick and Pat White are elusive. Tebow runs for contact. He runs INTO defenders, not away from them. I think if he tried that on an NFL Linebacker he'd get knocked into next millennium.
[QUOTE="duxup"]Because it is SOOOO easy to predict how college quarterbacks will do in the NFL. /sarcasmCDUB316
peyton manning was pretty much a sure bet, lol
So was Ryan Leaf... Oh wait.Please Log In to post.
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