Square-Enix is not destroying the Final Fantasy series
To start off, I'd like to remind each and every one of you (not just the ones whining) that Square-Enix is a company. What are companies main goal, children? That's right, good, to make money. Now, if Square-Enix milks their series, are they not doing what they are supposed to be doing? I mean hell, as long as they don't stray to far from the series staples (deep storyline, innovation of the battle system, and best of all, Chocobos, Moogles, and big swords), then why should we consider that Square-Enix is "destroying" the series, when they are merely evolving it, and getting the most out of what they have the right to do: get money off of it.
Everyone thinks of video game companies as companies for the fans, and the fans only. And while those of you who believe this have a small point, it hardly matters. Yes, without the fans, there would be no company. But I know damn well that all of us would still buy a Final Fantasy game if it had Power Rangers as the main characters, a flaming bunny rabbit as the main boss, and Barney the Dinosaur as a summon. Obviously I'm not being serious, but if Square-Enix did do something as drastic as that, I guarantee you the series and that game would still be in the top 5 games worldwide in sales at the time, no doubt about that. That said, why should we revolt if they're simply trying to evolve it, not destroy it?
There is somewhat of a sorrowful attitude towards milking a game and/or series, considering it shows that either A) the company is going to out, and they're trying to get back on their feet or B) they're becoming greedy (or even more greedy than they already are). I think in this case it's a little of B and a little of Square-Enix simply wanting the fans to get the most out of what they bring to us: fun. A lot of you seem to know jack-squat about managing a company, and that's to be expected as a lot of you are under 16 and haven't worked a day in your life (besides pushing a lawn mower, but some of you probably haven't even done that much), so I'm not ranting on you for that. What I am ranting about is how you criticize how Square-Enix runs their company, when if you were in their position, you'd remake Final Fantasy VII and say "done".
I'm simply trying to show those of you ranting about how Square-Enix is destroying the Final Fantasy series that in reality, their bringing more Final Fantasy to us, and like I've said 3 times already, evolving the series. Do you want the series to stay the same? If yes, go back to the early 90's and relive it over and over and over, and let us who are sane get the new and innovative games, not a rehash of what we've already played. But some of you will never be satisfyed, you want something that has the same feeling, yet something brand new, and that's what Square-Enix is trying to do. Yet when they release this information, we hear "APOCALYPSE" in the streets of geeks, why? Who knows? Not me. Main point: Stop whining and let Square-Enix be a business, not a fan-boy generator. I'd apologize for the long post, but I think most of you are used to my "essays" by now, heh.
That's a pretty strong statement there, with the Final Fantasy games (recent ones) being "horrendous". But first off, this discussion isn't directed at that, that's a whole other topic in itself, but about Square-Enix "milking" the series, and changing it with XII and obviously XIII. Let's save that quality comment for another thread.
I understand that they're trying to make money. But, I'm just saddened at how SE is using the shotgun like Capcom. I don't know why, I just hate that.
GSZX
What do you mean by "using the shotgun"? I know what you mean by what Capcom is doing, and they are similar a little in their methods, but I have no idea what you're talking about with that shotgun comment.
I understand that they're trying to make money. But, I'm just saddened at how SE is using the shotgun like Capcom. I don't know why, I just hate that.
GSZX
What do you mean by "using the shotgun"? I know what you mean by what Capcom is doing, and they are similar a little in their methods, but I have no idea what you're talking about with that shotgun comment.
They are using the "shotgun method"
I understand that they're trying to make money. But, I'm just saddened at how SE is using the shotgun like Capcom. I don't know why, I just hate that.
GSZX
What do you mean by "using the shotgun"? I know what you mean by what Capcom is doing, and they are similar a little in their methods, but I have no idea what you're talking about with that shotgun comment.
They are using the "shotgun method"
Ah, I see. Well, once again, it's a mere business, but they are starting to take it to another level. I don't think that it's quite there yet. Personally, I think they'll stop using this method once the XIII compilation is over.
i think square-enix is doing fine.i don't mind what they do even if they steal somethnig from capcom.its not as severe as stealing the idea of motion sensor from Nintendo like Sony did.they are only making Capcom look good.think of it as a compliment
-Alchemist15-
Let's stay on topic. I don't want a whole other discussion about Sony stealing and such, I'm tired of that crap still from E3.
i think square-enix is doing fine.i don't mind what they do even if they steal somethnig from capcom.its not as severe as stealing the idea of motion sensor from Nintendo like Sony did.they are only making Capcom look good.think of it as a compliment
-Alchemist15-
Let's stay on topic. I don't want a whole other discussion about Sony stealing and such, I'm tired of that crap still from E3.
Well, first off IT'S COMPLETLY DIFFERENT! And anyway, they're taking the shotgun method to the same extreme that Capcom did. I posted this in the Squeenix is crazy topic. I''l put a link to that here.
How will i begin? Square-Enix in my opinion is doing it half and half. They are kinda Destroying the Final Fantasy Series but also in a way they are Expanding it to new levels and increasing the popularity and also the raw urge for the new Additions to the Series with the Fans (Customers).
Their main focus is making Profits and that could be there downfall but then again it might work. Well it has worked so far but in the long run, who knows. What their main focuses should be are: Customer Satisfaction, Quality and Good Products, Provision of a Service and Profit Maximisation (Making a profit) (all in a Semi-order). They should have Profit Maximisation at the top of there list all of the time. I agree that Making a Profit is Essential but for a High Powered and Rich Organisation like Square-Enix, well, there is a little Problem with that.
As for Additions to the Final Fantasy Series, well im all for it but not in such an extent to go and buy all or even half of the new Final Fantasy's that will be released from now and in the year 2007 and you all know that Square-Enix will be introducting a lot more Final Fantasy game before Final Fantasy XIII is Released. It is a good and almost well thoughtout Business Strategy but i dont think they thought it out completely. I think that if Final Fantasy XII is a Failure for most Fans (which i really dont think it will be) then people will lose faith in Square-Enix and the new Releases soon to come.
Also Axel. Everyone here at The Final Fantasy Union has differnet opinions and are entitled to those opinions no matter how silly, kiddy or wrong they are. You just have to accept it. But that aside. Nice Topic and i hope to reading more of your Great Work.
I think this is a Great Topic for Discussion so i will participate as usual.
How will i begin? Square-Enix in my opinion is doing it half and half. They are kinda Destroying the Final Fantasy Series but also in a way they are Expanding it to new levels and increasing the popularity and also the raw urge for the new Additions to the Series with the Fans (Customers).
Their main focus is making Profits and that could be there downfall but then again it might work. Well it has worked so far but in the long run, who knows. What their main focuses should be are: Customer Satisfaction, Quality and Good Products, Provision of a Service and Profit Maximisation (Making a profit) (all in a Semi-order). They should have Profit Maximisation at the top of there list all of the time. I agree that Making a Profit is Essential but for a High Powered and Rich Organisation like Square-Enix, well, there is a little Problem with that.
As for Additions to the Final Fantasy Series, well im all for it but not in such an extent to go and buy all or even half of the new Final Fantasy's that will be released from now and in the year 2007 and you all know that Square-Enix will be introducting a lot more Final Fantasy game before Final Fantasy XIII is Released. It is a good and almost well thoughtout Business Strategy but i dont think they thought it out completely. I think that if Final Fantasy XII is a Failure for most Fans (which i really dont think it will be) then people will lose faith in Square-Enix and the new Releases soon to come.
Also Axel. Everyone here at The Final Fantasy Union has differnet opinions and are entitled to those opinions no matter how silly, kiddy or wrong they are. You just have to accept it. But that aside. Nice Topic and i hope to reading more of your Great Work.
ffxjunky06
Eh, yes I know they are, but that's not a one way street, I'm entitled to mine, also. It's just that it just so happens that my opinion might be a little more dramatic, though out, and not as "whiny" as others, but either way, it's all the same in the end I suppose.
I think this is a Great Topic for Discussion so i will participate as usual.
How will i begin? Square-Enix in my opinion is doing it half and half. They are kinda Destroying the Final Fantasy Series but also in a way they are Expanding it to new levels and increasing the popularity and also the raw urge for the new Additions to the Series with the Fans (Customers).
Their main focus is making Profits and that could be there downfall but then again it might work. Well it has worked so far but in the long run, who knows. What their main focuses should be are: Customer Satisfaction, Quality and Good Products, Provision of a Service and Profit Maximisation (Making a profit) (all in a Semi-order). They should have Profit Maximisation at the top of there list all of the time. I agree that Making a Profit is Essential but for a High Powered and Rich Organisation like Square-Enix, well, there is a little Problem with that.
As for Additions to the Final Fantasy Series, well im all for it but not in such an extent to go and buy all or even half of the new Final Fantasy's that will be released from now and in the year 2007 and you all know that Square-Enix will be introducting a lot more Final Fantasy game before Final Fantasy XIII is Released. It is a good and almost well thoughtout Business Strategy but i dont think they thought it out completely. I think that if Final Fantasy XII is a Failure for most Fans (which i really dont think it will be) then people will lose faith in Square-Enix and the new Releases soon to come.
Also Axel. Everyone here at The Final Fantasy Union has differnet opinions and are entitled to those opinions no matter how silly, kiddy or wrong they are. You just have to accept it. But that aside. Nice Topic and i hope to reading more of your Great Work.
ffxjunky06
Eh, yes I know they are, but that's not a one way street, I'm entitled to mine, also. It's just that it just so happens that my opinion might be a little more dramatic, though out, and not as "whiny" as others, but either way, it's all the same in the end I suppose.
Hey its all good m8. You have Strong opinions and passion for business and also Square-Enix and i believe your opinions really count, just liek everyone elses. You can express your thoughts in a way that most people cant and with that, you can point out particular things that most cant. I would value that if i was the same.
I don't think SE is messing up the series.GoPhins123Could you explain your answer please.
Well Sqaure Enix did say that their main business plan is to focus on the FF and DQ series and not make any original titles. This is a reasonable business decision concidering that original titles sell next to nothing (Rogue Galaxy anyone) and that Sqaure Enix is not as rich as most people think to be able to invest millions of dollars on an original title. So Sqaure Enix has no choice but milk the FF and DQ series. Is that a bad thing? Like Axel argued, it is not. Sqaure Enix is delivering quality games to the table year after year.
My main problem with Sqaure Enix is that it's getting rid of it's best developers. For example, they got rid of Sakaguchi (FF creator), Matsuno, (man behind FFT, Vagrant Story, and FFXII), and the man behind Xenogears and Xenosaga. So in that sense, Sqaure Enix is destroying the FF series by getting rid of the key developers.
Yes but there is a Difference between Success and Greed (if you get the picture). Square-Enix will get too greed and will continue to invest in what they are Producing and losing money in the Process (hasnt happened but at the moment there is a big risk). But a valid point that you brought up there xVxObliVioNxVx.Well Sqaure Enix did say that their main business plan is to focus on the FF and DQ series and not make any original titles. This is a reasonable business decision concidering that original titles sell next to nothing (Rogue Galaxy anyone) and that Sqaure Enix is not as rich as most people think to be able to invest millions of dollars on an original title. So Sqaure Enix has no choice but milk the FF and DQ series. Is that a bad thing? Like Axel argued, it is not. Sqaure Enix is delivering quality games to the table year after year.
xVxObliVioNxVx
Yes this is a big Problem that Square-Enix has brought on themselves and i now that it will back fire in the long run. With the loss of these people, this can arise in different and unsuccessful differences to the Final Fantasy Series (which we are already witnessing). I just hope that Square-Enix knows what they are doing.My main problem with Sqaure Enix is that it's getting rid of it's best developers. For example, they got rid of Sakaguchi (FF creator), Matsuno, (man behind FFT, Vagrant Story, and FFXII), and the man behind Xenogears and Xenosaga. So in that sense, Sqaure Enix is destroying the FF series by getting rid of the key developers.
xVxObliVioNxVx
P.S. Thanx for your Quality Input xVxObliVioNxVx. I hope to be hearing from you in the future (or sooner).
@ Junky and Oblivion:
I agree with both of your opinions, but in a slightly different way. With Junky, I thank you for your compliment on being able to express my opinions well, thank you. And your comment on Square-Enix becoming greedy is very important, because I also happen to think it's already happening, but I don't think it's quite at that point yet. But like you said, I think it could get there if they don't take a step back and look at their situation from afar and ask themselves what they're doing with their best (and almost only) series, this brings me to Oblivion's post:
I completely agree with everything you've said, especially with the fact that it was a horrible decision to let go many of their best developers and minds, that was a bad move. But then again, we most likely don't even know half the story, and what we do know is probably a lie, publicity is never what it seems, especially these days. Anyway, that's life, and I think Square-Enix will do alright, at least I hope they do.
I completely agree with everything you've said, especially with the fact that it was a horrible decision to let go many of their best developers and minds, that was a bad move. But then again, we most likely don't even know half the story, and what we do know is probably a lie, publicity is never what it seems, especially these days. Anyway, that's life, and I think Square-Enix will do alright, at least I hope they do.
XIIAxelCrossIIX
Indeed publicity is a lie. For example, Sqaure Enix said in August of last year that Yasumi Matsuno dropped his position from FFXII because he was ill. This was in fact not true. At that time, Sqaure Enix has disbanded the PDD4 team (FFXII team). The character designer was moved to the FFIII DS team to do character designs for that game and other team members where moved aswell. Only like 30 people were left to finish up the game. Right now everyone is keeping silent on this whole situation. There has been rumours that Matsuno has moved to Mistwalker. Another rumour states that he still working at SE on the new Orge Battle game (doubt it). What ever the case, Matsuno has not been seen since the team was disbanded.
As for Sakaguchi's case. Well everyone thought that he left the company out of free will. Actually he was forced out of the company. They could no fire Sakaguchi since he had a contract but a lot of people were blaming him for the reason SE went bankrupt. Thus, Sakaguchi was forced to leave the company. If he wanted to, he could bring Sqaure Enix down to its knees.
There's definitely things going on behind closed doors at SE. The great things though is we can still enjoy games from those people who worked on great games at SE who aren't there anymore. I think SE will continue to thrive. I'm sure they'll get the next big developers & directors & new ideas will be produced. Their name alone will draw in the talent they need to continue to successed. But I am curious to what's all the internal "problems" they're having. This might be their downfall. It won't be if the quality of the product is good but if they will have the talent to create the product. If I was a hot shot, would I want to go to a place where there's so many rumors of back stabbing & a stressful work atmosphere. We'll see as time goes on. I hope SE get's their sh....stuff straight.
I think that Square-Enix is concentrating more on profit than quality, like usually making a lot of garbage games and rarely making good ones.
I like the fact that they are increasing their limits now and are expanding to more gaming systems, not only PS.
I didnt like the fact that they did a bad sequel to FFX.
I did like FF7:Advent Children but no more sequel games.
I think that Squeenix progress now is 50/50.
i think square-enix is doing fine.i don't mind what they do even if they steal somethnig from capcom.its not as severe as stealing the idea of motion sensor from Nintendo like Sony did.they are only making Capcom look good.think of it as a compliment
-Alchemist15-
Let's stay on topic. I don't want a whole other discussion about Sony stealing and such, I'm tired of that crap still from E3.
i didn't think it was off topic i was only relating it to that to show the situation.that was my way of showing my opinion.ease up dude:)anyways back on topic
Both had come out with very good game franchises. Capcom: Mega Man Square: FF
Both companies have expanded on these series. Capcom, MMX, MMZ, MMBN, MMZX, MML Square, FF Mystic Quest FFX-2, FFVII sequels
Both series have dwindled in their game quality. Especially Capcom
Both companies ignore their other series and their fans.(not quite to that extreme in some cases)
Both companies are constantly remaking games. Capcom, MM Anniversary collection, MMX collection Square FF PSX ports, FF GBA ports, and FFIII for the DS
Both companies have made pointless additions to each series. Capcom: MM Soccer, MMXCM, MMNCC(might not be right letters) Square: FF Mystic Quest, FFXI(IMO), FFT
And finally both companies franchises are in constant demand(see next post for what I mean.
That's just some stuff that I noticed.
I dont believe SE is destroying FF whatsoever.
When a fan sees its favorite gaming company make a not-so-succesful game, they panic and think that the company is ruined. Thats pathetic. Just because FFX-2 didnt make much success doesnt mean the whole company is going to fall with it.
SE didnt put much effort into FFX-2, and as Nomura stated, FFX-2 only took them half the time they useally take to make a normal FF title. And you can kinda tell, the game had the same graphics as FFX and they didnt work too much on the storyline(cuz basicly, FFX-2 was made just so fans could see Yuna and Tidus together).
Like the topic creator said: they are only evolving into other "dimensions".(which is something Capcom failed to do with Megaman X. Capcom still stands today, only because of MMBN, MMZ and die-hard fans)
And another thing. Stop complaining(and worrying) about what SE do. I love the fact that they are taking everything to a new level. That's how they were successful in the first place, didnt you know?
Well let me tell you: in the late 80's/early 90's, Final Fantasy games were all known to be very good RPGs, which all took place in a European Medieval world. Square didnt want that, they wanted to change that reputation, so what do they do? I'll tell you what: they release Final Fantasy VII, an RPG taking place in a world completely different than its predecessors, becoming the most succesful RPG ever!
My point is: being original and taking risks at the same time is only way to live!^_^
I hope I made myself clear on this post.
I hope no one minds but, I'm gonna make a list of similarities between Capcom and Square/SE.
Both had come out with very good game franchises. Capcom: Mega Man Square: FF
Both companies have expanded on these series. Capcom, MMX, MMZ, MMBN, MMZX, MML Square, FF Mystic Quest FFX-2, FFVII sequels
Both series have dwindled in their game quality. Especially Capcom
GSZX
FF Mystic Quest was designed to teach people how to play RPG games thus the reason the game has a weak plot and easy gameplay mechanics.
FF X-2, along with FF Tactics Advanced, were forcefully designed to get the company back on track. Due to the huge amount of money that the company lost of off FF: TSW, Sqaure Enix had to find a way to make some money fast. FF X-2 and FF Tactics Advanced where made in about a year, cheaply. Because of these two games, the company was able to make all those FFVII spin-offs, otherwise it wouldn't have the money to invest in those projects and FFVII:AC would have only been 20 mins like it originally was planned to be. FFXII would have forcefully been released much early which would mean that FFXII would have sucked if it was released that early. But because Matsuno was given more time to finish the game (thanks to FFX-2 and FFTA) he was able to create one of the best FF games ever (it's the only FF game that recieved a 40/40 from Famitsu). So you decide, would rather have Sqaure Enix not make FFX-2 and FFTA and then have to play downgraded version of FFXII, or have them make it and allow FFXII to be further developed so it becomes a perfect game.
As for FFVII. Fans have been screaming for sequels of FFVII. If you don't like the FFVII spin-offs then blame the fans. Plus I don't see how the quality in those FFVII spin-offs hae dwindled? FFVII:AC was an amazing movie. Dirge of Cerberus has recieve bad reviews in Japan, but that is reasonable considering this is the first time SE tried to make FPS game, a field that is unknown to them. Plus, you have not played non of the spin-offs to judge wether they are in low quality or not.
Both companies ignore their other series and their fans.(not quite to that extreme in some cases)
Both companies are constantly remaking games. Capcom, MM Anniversary collection, MMX collection Square FF PSX ports, FF GBA ports, and FFIII for the DSGSZX
FF PSX ports and FF GBA porst where re-releases. It gave new comers to the series a chance to enjoy the early FF games. Try and find a NES or SNES version of a FF game. Without these re-releases, we wouldn't be able to experience FFVI and other FF games. Don't you think that Sqaure Enix should continue to re-release FF games in the future so future genereation get to play games like FFVII, FFIX, FFX and so on.
As for FFIII for the DS. FFIII was never released outside of Japan. I think it's about time that we get to play it thus the reason they are remaking it. Thank you Sqaure Enix.
Both companies have made pointless additions to each series. Capcom: MM Soccer, MMXCM, MMNCC(might not be right letters) Square: FF Mystic Quest, FFXI(IMO), FFT
And finally both companies franchises are in constant demand(see next post for what I mean.
That's just some stuff that I noticed.
GSZX
Without FFXI, the series would have not been able to move forward.
FFT is considered as one of the greatest FF games ever made. Pointless? Maybe for you, but most people consider that game to be legendary, even games has named it as "One of the Greatest Games Ever" in their "Greatest Games Ever" features.
[QUOTE="GSZX"]I hope no one minds but, I'm gonna make a list of similarities between Capcom and Square/SE.Both had come out with very good game franchises. Capcom: Mega Man Square: FF
Both companies have expanded on these series. Capcom, MMX, MMZ, MMBN, MMZX, MML Square, FF Mystic Quest FFX-2, FFVII sequels
Both series have dwindled in their game quality. Especially Capcom
xVxObliVioNxVx
FF Mystic Quest was designed to teach people how to play RPG games thus the reason the game has a weak plot and easy gameplay mechanics.
FF X-2, along with FF Tactics Advanced, were forcefully designed to get the company back on track. Due to the huge amount of money that the company lost of off FF: TSW, Sqaure Enix had to find a way to make some money fast. FF X-2 and FF Tactics Advanced where made in about a year, cheaply. Because of these two games, the company was able to make all those FFVII spin-offs, otherwise it wouldn't have the money to invest in those projects and FFVII:AC would have only been 20 mins like it originally was planned to be. FFXII would have forcefully been released much early which would mean that FFXII would have sucked if it was released that early. But because Matsuno was given more time to finish the game (thanks to FFX-2 and FFTA) he was able to create one of the best FF games ever (it's the only FF game that recieved a 40/40 from Famitsu). So you decide, would rather have Sqaure Enix not make FFX-2 and FFTA and then have to play downgraded version of FFXII, or have them make it and allow FFXII to be further developed so it becomes a perfect game.
As for FFVII. Fans have been screaming for sequels of FFVII. If you don't like the FFVII spin-offs then blame the fans. Plus I don't see how the quality in those FFVII spin-offs hae dwindled? FFVII:AC was an amazing movie. Dirge of Cerberus has recieve bad reviews in Japan, but that is reasonable considering this is the first time SE tried to make FPS game, a field that is unknown to them. Plus, you have not played non of the spin-offs to judge wether they are in low quality or not.
Uuum, I was saying that expanding was a good thing.
[QUOTE="GSZX"]
Both companies ignore their other series and their fans.(not quite to that extreme in some cases)
Both companies are constantly remaking games. Capcom, MM Anniversary collection, MMX collection Square FF PSX ports, FF GBA ports, and FFIII for the DSxVxObliVioNxVx
FF PSX ports and FF GBA porst where re-releases. It gave new comers to the series a chance to enjoy the early FF games. Try and find a NES or SNES version of a FF game. Without these re-releases, we wouldn't be able to experience FFVI and other FF games. Don't you think that Sqaure Enix should continue to re-release FF games in the future so future genereation get to play games like FFVII, FFIX, FFX and so on.
As for FFIII for the DS. FFIII was never released outside of Japan. I think it's about time that we get to play it thus the reason they are remaking it. Thank you Sqaure Enix.
I saying this as a neutral fact, every console generation both companies remake their games.
[QUOTE="GSZX"]
Both companies have made pointless additions to each series. Capcom: MM Soccer, MMXCM, MMNCC(might not be right letters) Square: FF Mystic Quest, FFXI(IMO), FFT
And finally both companies franchises are in constant demand(see next post for what I mean.
That's just some stuff that I noticed.
xVxObliVioNxVx
Without FFXI, the series would have not been able to move forward.
FFT is considered as one of the greatest FF games ever made. Pointless? Maybe for you, but most people consider that game to be legendary, even games has named it as "One of the Greatest Games Ever" in their "Greatest Games Ever" features.
I'll admit two things,
1. Ever since my addiction to Everquest and WOW I've hated MMORPGs.
2. I really hate the FFT games. I don't know why. I just do.
And also I think that FFXI should have been a spin-off like Mystic quest.EDIT: I fixed my quotes.
Uuum, I was saying that expanding was a good thing.GSZX
Umm, no you didn't. You only stated that the companies where expanding on the series. You failed to mention if you saw it as a good thing or bad thing. However, you did state that the quality of the series was dwindling. My argument was not about wether the company was expanding, but it was about the reasons why the quality of the series of FF has degraded over the past few years.
[QUOTE="GSZX"] Uuum, I was saying that expanding was a good thing.
xVxObliVioNxVx
Umm, no you didn't. You only stated that the companies where expanding on the series. You failed to mention if you saw it as a good thing or bad thing. However, you did state that the quality of the series was dwindling. My argument was not about wether the company was expanding, but it was about the reasons why the quality of the series of FF has degraded over the past few years.
I meant for it to sound like a good thing. But for the dwindling quality I was talking about the GS scores. VII-9.5 VIII-9.5 IX-8.5 X-9.3 and so on. The recent X360 game got a 6.3 I think.
I agree with xVxObliVioNxVx on this matter. If we didnt have the Final Fantasy PSX Ports and the Final Fantasy GBA Ports then us earlier gamer wouldnt have the chance to play the earlier released titles for Final Fantasy, thus, losing out in the Experience that holds within each game. This is one of few (in my opinion) Great Decision by Square-Enix and has payed off. This was a well Structured and thoughtout plan and i give Square-Enix a Bow for that. Yes and, thank you Square-Enix.FF PSX ports and FF GBA porst where re-releases. It gave new comers to the series a chance to enjoy the early FF games. Try and find a NES or SNES version of a FF game. Without these re-releases, we wouldn't be able to experience FFVI and other FF games. Don't you think that Sqaure Enix should continue to re-release FF games in the future so future genereation get to play games like FFVII, FFIX, FFX and so on.
As for FFIII for the DS. FFIII was never released outside of Japan. I think it's about time that we get to play it thus the reason they are remaking it. Thank you Sqaure Enix.
xVxObliVioNxVx
I think that Square-Enix is concentrating more on profit than quality, like usually making a lot of garbage games and rarely making good ones.
I like the fact that they are increasing their limits now and are expanding to more gaming systems, not only PS.
I didnt like the fact that they did a bad sequel to FFX.
I did like FF7:Advent Children but no more sequel games.
I think that Squeenix progress now is 50/50.
LoneRex
That's not true really at all. Give a few examples of games they've made that weren't that good. Sure, some aren't as good as Square can produce, but they have many games yet to come out in the US, such as FFXII that's going to probably be amazing. Hell, it's gotten nothing but positive reviews.
isnt square soft still in charge?killer_shadow1
Currently, Enix and Sqaure are in charge of the company together. However, Enix has holds more shares of the company then Sqaure thus the reason Enix has a upper hand. But you have to remember that this a merger between Enix and Sqaure and not a take over Sqaure by Enix. In Japan, take overs are viewed very negitiviley thus the reason the merger accured.
[QUOTE="xVxObliVioNxVx"][QUOTE="GSZX"] Uuum, I was saying that expanding was a good thing.
GSZX
Umm, no you didn't. You only stated that the companies where expanding on the series. You failed to mention if you saw it as a good thing or bad thing. However, you did state that the quality of the series was dwindling. My argument was not about wether the company was expanding, but it was about the reasons why the quality of the series of FF has degraded over the past few years.
I meant for it to sound like a good thing. But for the dwindling quality I was talking about the GS scores. VII-9.5 VIII-9.5 IX-8.5 X-9.3 and so on. The recent X360 game got a 6.3 I think.
"The people always speak louder than critics", I always say.
Look at those reviews again and check out what voters think in "You say".
[QUOTE="killer_shadow1"]isnt square soft still in charge?xVxObliVioNxVx
Currently, Enix and Sqaure are in charge of the company together. However, Enix has holds more shares of the company then Sqaure thus the reason Enix has a upper hand. But you have to remember that this a merger between Enix and Sqaure and not a take over Sqaure by Enix. In Japan, take overs are viewed very negitiviley thus the reason the merger accured.
Really? I thought Square was the higher-up.
[QUOTE="xVxObliVioNxVx"][QUOTE="killer_shadow1"]isnt square soft still in charge?IceDefenseGod
Currently, Enix and Sqaure are in charge of the company together. However, Enix has holds more shares of the company then Sqaure thus the reason Enix has a upper hand. But you have to remember that this a merger between Enix and Sqaure and not a take over Sqaure by Enix. In Japan, take overs are viewed very negitiviley thus the reason the merger accured.
Really? I thought Square was the higher-up.
From the information that i have gathred, Square was going Bankrupt and Enix Mergered with Square inorder to get the profits from the Final Fantasy Series (and also other great titles) (not only the profits but the fans too and many other reasons) which in the long run helped Enix gain a lot of Money/Profits which, in my opinion was a very good and well thoughtout Business Strategy.O_O Wow! Square was gonna go bankrupt?!? They merged right after FFX! That was major profits!IceDefenseGodRemember what i said though. "From the Information that i have gathered", i am not entirely sure but this is what i have heard from time to time. I have also heard that Square-Enix has went Bankrupt quite a few times.
My opinions on this topic have been said a couple of times already and I am not changing them. First off I agree with the statement that Square-Enix are not "destroying" the series. It would take a lot more than a couple of bad entries in the series to make me say something as rash as that. But in my view, there is no denying that the quality has gone down. Ever since Square and Enix merged, the Final Fantasy games moved onto the Playstation 2 and key developers (as Oblivion stated) left, the series just hasn't been up to scratch. Yes, I do know that Square needed the money and fine, I accept that. But first off I think that a Final Fantasy VII remake was what fans hav been crying for. I don't remember FFVII fans asking for (what is it now?) six games in a Final Fantasy VII compilation. Moving some of the games to the mobile platform is not a move that I would personally make if I wanted to make bundles of money either.
We have seen flashes of brilliance in mediocre games over the past couple of years (Final Fantasy X-2s gameplay for example) and now, Square need to prove that they can still make games as good as they could in the hayday of Final Fantasy games. Final Fantasy XII is the game for Square Enix to blow skeptics away - this needs to revitalise the series and completely wash out the doubts surrounding certain people's minds.  To end, I'm going to presume that Square Enix have stepped out of their bankruptcy and are now fine; correct me if I'm wrong. Then to me, I don't see the need to make yet another compilation of a game that has not even been released yet and no one actually knows what it's like: Final Fantasy XIII. I see only one motive for doing this and that is, as said, greed.
Do you mean Final Fantasy XIII Compilation?My opinions on this topic have been said a couple of times already and I am not changing them. First off I agree with the statement that Square-Enix are not "destroying" the series. It would take a lot more than a couple of bad entries in the series to make me say something as rash as that. But in my view, there is no denying that the quality has gone down. Ever since Square and Enix merged, the Final Fantasy games moved onto the Playstation 2 and key developers (as Oblivion stated) left, the series just hasn't been up to scratch. Yes, I do know that Square needed the money and fine, I accept that. But first off I think that a Final Fantasy VII remake was what fans hav been crying for. I don't remember FFVII fans asking for (what is it now?) six games in a Final Fantasy VII compilation. Moving some of the games to the mobile platform is not a move that I would personally make if I wanted to make bundles of money either.
Somegamer
Yes i agree that it is for pure greed. i dont think they really care about making the fans happy anymore, maybe in the past but not now. I dont know why the want more money, they are earning enough if you ask me but that is the problem with most large businesses, they cant keep grip of the thing that matters most and that is the fans.We have seen flashes of brilliance in mediocre games over the past couple of years (Final Fantasy X-2s gameplay for example) and now, Square need to prove that they can still make games as good as they could in the hayday of Final Fantasy games. Final Fantasy XII is the game for Square Enix to blow skeptics away - this needs to revitalise the series and completely wash out the doubts surrounding certain people's minds. To end, I'm going to presume that Square Enix have stepped out of their bankruptcy and are now fine; correct me if I'm wrong. Then to me, I don't see the need to make yet another compilation of a game that has not even been released yet and no one actually knows what it's like: Final Fantasy XIII. I see only one motive for doing this and that is, as said, greed.
Somegamer
Square-Enix really need to get a grip or they will have a few problems that coudl have been prevented sooner.
No, I did mean a Final Fantasy VII compilation consisting of:
Dirge of Cerberus
Dirge of Cerberus: Lost Episode
Advent Children
Before Crisis
Crisis Core
[QUOTE="IceDefenseGod"]O_O Wow! Square was gonna go bankrupt?!? They merged right after FFX! That was major profits!ffxjunky06Remember what i said though. "From the Information that i have gathered", i am not entirely sure but this is what i have heard from time to time. I have also heard that Square-Enix has went Bankrupt quite a few times.
Actually, Sqaure only went bankrupt once. They were close to bankruptcy back in the late 80s before FF. But Sakaguchi (FF creator) saved the company by saying "I want to make a RPG or else..." and so he made FF and saved the company from being another Sega acrade style gaming joke.
The comapany first went bankrupt at the end of 2001 when the movie FF: Spirits Within came out. That movie cost them $130 million to make. They only made a $30 million of off it and went into bunkruptcy. In 2002, Enix and Sqaure merged, however even though they merged they were still in financial trouble. Sony came in and helped them out by buying about 9% of the companies shares (Sony is the 4th biggest Sqaure Enix shareholder right now). The company then started development on FFX-2 and FFTactics Advanced to get themselves out of the financial crisis.
Then to me, I don't see the need to make yet another compilation of a game that has not even been released yet and no one actually knows what it's like: Final Fantasy XIII. I see only one motive for doing this and that is, as said, greed.
Somegamer
Actually greed has nothing to do with it. I agree with you that they should have not made so many FFVII spin-offs but that is what the developers wanted to do. Kitase wanted to make Dirge of Cerberus because he loved Half Life 2 and he wanted to make FPS game. Nomura wanted to make a FFVII movie. Tabata wanted to make FFVII phone game. And then they wanted to make Crisis Core too because they wanted to finish the FFVII story and in order to do that they would need to tell the story of Zack.
As for FFXIII. FFXIII was originially in development for the PS2. Last year, when they made the FFVII tech demo, they liked the PS3's power so much that they switched development of FFXIII to the PS3. Then 6 months ago when Nomura finished KH2, he wanted to make FF game. So they came up with the idea of the Febula Nova Crystallis and allowed Nomura to make FF Versus XIII, his own FF game. Then Tabata came, and he and his team just finished FFVII: Before Crisis and where close to finishing Dirge of Cerbereus: Lost Chapters, and so they were wondering what to do next. Tabata wanted to do a mobile FFXIII game so they allowed him to that too.
There is no greed what so ever, it's just what the developers want to do, and Sqaure Enix allows them to do it.
[QUOTE="Somegamer"]No, I did mean a Final Fantasy VII compilation consisting of:
Dirge of Cerberus
Dirge of Cerberus: Lost Episode
Advent Children
Before Crisis
Crisis CorePs3fanboy
Add the Final Fantsy Unlimited(?) anime to that list. Its a anime movie on Final fantasy VII
FF: Unlimited is a stand alone anime series with FF themes. The anime you are talking about is FFVII: Last Order which goes along with Crisis Core.
Remember what i said though. "From the Information that i have gathered", i am not entirely sure but this is what i have heard from time to time. I have also heard that Square-Enix has went Bankrupt quite a few times.[QUOTE="ffxjunky06"] [QUOTE="IceDefenseGod"]O_O Wow! Square was gonna go bankrupt?!? They merged right after FFX! That was major profits!xVxObliVioNxVx
Actually, Sqaure only went bankrupt once. They were close to bankruptcy back in the late 80s before FF. But Sakaguchi (FF creator) saved the company by saying "I want to make a RPG or else..." and so he made FF and saved the company from being another Sega acrade style gaming joke.
The comapany first went bankrupt at the end of 2001 when the movie FF: Spirits Within came out. That movie cost them $130 million to make. They only made a $30 million of off it and went into bunkruptcy. In 2002, Enix and Sqaure merged, however even though they merged they were still in financial trouble. Sony came in and helped them out by buying about 9% of the companies shares (Sony is the 4th biggest Sqaure Enix shareholder right now). The company then started development on FFX-2 and FFTactics Advanced to get themselves out of the financial crisis.
Ah, now i see. I heard that they went Bankrupt Twice or more. Thank you for clearing that up for me Oblivion. Sounds like Square and Enix had a little trouble for a while. Well my hat goes off to Sony and to Final Fantasy X2 (Which i love that game anyways) and Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced. There wouldnt really be a Square-Enix without any of that.Actually greed has nothing to do with it. I agree with you that they should have not made so many FFVII spin-offs but that is what the developers wanted to do. Kitase wanted to make Dirge of Cerberus because he loved Half Life 2 and he wanted to make FPS game. Nomura wanted to make a FFVII movie. Tabata wanted to make FFVII phone game. And then they wanted to make Crisis Core too because they wanted to finish the FFVII story and in order to do that they would need to tell the story of Zack.
As for FFXIII. FFXIII was originially in development for the PS2. Last year, when they made the FFVII tech demo, they liked the PS3's power so much that they switched development of FFXIII to the PS3. Then 6 months ago when Nomura finished KH2, he wanted to make FF game. So they came up with the idea of the Febula Nova Crystallis and allowed Nomura to make FF Versus XIII, his own FF game. Then Tabata came, and he and his team just finished FFVII: Before Crisis and where close to finishing Dirge of Cerbereus: Lost Chapters, and so they were wondering what to do next. Tabata wanted to do a mobile FFXIII game so they allowed him to that too.
There is no greed what so ever, it's just what the developers want to do, and Sqaure Enix allows them to do it.
xVxObliVioNxVx
Ok, thanks for clearing that up Oblivion I stand corrected. But even so, I think I would have been happy with a sequel (Advent Children) and a prequel (Crisis Core) which more or less wraps up the whole Final Fantasy VII saga. I don't see the need for any other entries in the compilation. Also, if Tabata wanted to make an FPS did Square really need to slap the FFVII name on it so they would get guaranteed sales? Ok, good business strategy or whatever but to me it looks like Square are basically taking advantage of the name "Final Fantasy VII" and I personally don't like that. It seems many companies actually do take this approach of name sales, which disappoints me. With the Fabula Nova Crystallis series, it was the first I'd actually heard that Nomura and Tabata wanted to participate in the development. But that doesn't necessarily explain the decision to make three more games in the compilation. I may be wrong, but it looks to me that Square have become more and more money hungry after their rise from bankruptcy to the point where we start getting five spin offs for entries in the main series.
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