Which SE game you think should be better publicized???

Hahahahaha. I didn't bring it up really, however one could look at it like that. I blame Cecil! hahahaha! Oh, andhello Fatboi! :) You should get a character ASAP so we can call you something much more appealing! Click here Fatboi! Be sure to ask Aeris for one, and be VERY persistant-she does the best jobs around here. Yeah, I'm looking at you Celes! Hahahaha. Just kidding! :D *wink*Andraxal

OK, thanks. I am going to hold back on anything that I could say because I really don't want to start anything. I'm getting quite sick of the pointless arguing that's been going on recently.

And come on guys - let's not insult others by calling eachother names? This is getting rather silly.

I kinda liked that one of the FF XII trailers was played in movie theaters before it came out.

I would really like it if Parasite Eve would get more attention. There's alot of potential to bring out and expandin that series. Maybe Front Mission too. Im not a big fan of strategy games, but the 5th game in that series looks like very interesting, and it's a little suprising it gets little-to-no attention.

I do research games thats the only way you can have an opinion and next let s stop all of this pointless talk or whatever you win i don t care anymore moving on... I would love to see Saga Frontier. I think they just put that game together and didn t spend anytime on it except for the second one. But if the game was done right and had good promotion it could indeed become a hitJayvon215

I don't care if I win or not. I wasn't trying to make it a contest.

The Valkryie Profile series should get better PR. That's a great game.

Yea Valkyrie Profile was a great game that deseves more credit than it gets. I wish they promote it betterJayvon215

But they will just continue to promote FF7:(

[QUOTE="Jayvon215"]Yea Valkyrie Profile was a great game that deseves more credit than it gets. I wish they promote it betterIpodHero176

But they will just continue to promote FF7:(

... and for TEN more years! Run to the hills! :D

[QUOTE="IpodHero176"]

[QUOTE="Jayvon215"]Yea Valkyrie Profile was a great game that deseves more credit than it gets. I wish they promote it bettermichelle_moraes

But they will just continue to promote FF7:(

... and for TEN more years! Run to the hills! :D

*Starts running*

You're very welcome. :)

If they promoted The Bouncer better could it have been better???? Or how about Einhinder and Vagrant Stories... they were some of the greastest games created and they get no promo or love what s up with that????

How many of us here have played the DrakenGard gameS? My god those games were MASTERPIECES I really don't see how so many fans of Square Enix have not played them. Has anyone else played the earlier games released by Squaresoft? Andraxal

I did as you well know :P, but only the first one, It was a blast riding your dragon while shooting enemys in the air, I didn't play the second because I didn't find the characters very interesting(and there was this blond girl with really creepy eyes xD)

If they promoted The Bouncer better could it have been better???? Or how about Einhinder and Vagrant Stories... they were some of the greastest games created and they get no promo or love what s up with that????

Jayvon215

I played The Bouncer, and I really didn't like it one bit. Vagrant on the other hand was quite cool, and I find it even cooler now that is "part" of the Ivallice Alliance.

[QUOTE="Andraxal"]How many of us here have played the DrakenGard gameS? My god those games were MASTERPIECES I really don't see how so many fans of Square Enix have not played them. Has anyone else played the earlier games released by Squaresoft? Fenian_lostsoul

I did as you well know :P, but only the first one, It was a blast riding your dragon while shooting enemys in the air, I didn't play the second because I didn't find the characters very interesting(and there was this blond girl with really creepy eyes xD)

If they promoted The Bouncer better could it have been better???? Or how about Einhinder and Vagrant Stories... they were some of the greastest games created and they get no promo or love what s up with that????

Jayvon215

I played The Bouncer, and I really didn't like it one bit. Vagrant on the other hand was quite cool, and I find it even cooler now that is "part" of the Ivallice Alliance.

I've played all of the games mentioned except The Bouncer.

Vagrant Story is simply brilliant and I highly recommend it to any RPG fan: The game is a work of art.

Drakengard is average; It gets very repetitive very quickly due to the combat consisting of little more than rhymically tapping a button and watching the enemies fall down. It had a lot of potential, but sadly it wasn't realised.

Drakengard 2 is also average; Even more repetitive, button mashy combat with a camera that is too close to the main character and too low to the ground. The dragon sections were far less enjoyable than they could (and should) have been due to some unresponsive controls and a short draw distance. Has potential like it's predecessor, but just like it, it hasn't been realised.

Einhander is a fairly average shoot 'em up that falls into the trap of making the backgounds too colourful so that the bullets can't be seen clearly. It does nothing new, which isn't a crime in itself, but when it's been done better a million times before, it is.

I'd go with a couple of golden oldies that few seem to talk about these days (except me ;) ): Secret of Mana and Terranigma for the SNES.S_Jake

Agreed there:D

I'd go with a couple of golden oldies that few seem to talk about these days (except me ;) ): Secret of Mana and Terranigma for the SNES.S_Jake

OK, this is quite the noobish question but I don't care. Secret of Mana was on the SNES right? And it did get released in the US right?

[QUOTE="S_Jake"]I'd go with a couple of golden oldies that few seem to talk about these days (except me ;) ): Secret of Mana and Terranigma for the SNES.queen_valentine

OK, this is quite the noobish question but I don't care. Secret of Mana was on the SNES right? And it did get released in the US right?

Yes, it did.

[QUOTE="queen_valentine"]

[QUOTE="S_Jake"]I'd go with a couple of golden oldies that few seem to talk about these days (except me ;) ): Secret of Mana and Terranigma for the SNES.IpodHero176

OK, this is quite the noobish question but I don't care. Secret of Mana was on the SNES right? And it did get released in the US right?

Yes, it did.

OK, thanks! :)

I've never heard of Terraanigma, what is it about? See this is another example of games that aren't publicized very well! :( Andraxal

It never even got a US release, though it enjoyed European and Australian ones. It was released around 1995-96 (depending on the region). The game itself is an Action RPG with fairly simple RPG mechanics and a greater focus on the action itself. The main character (Ark) had about half-a-dozen moves, some of which were more effective against different types of enemy.

One of the games best features was the way in which the main character could influence the growth of a city, which was ambitious (not to mention groundbreaking) at the time, though I'll spare the precise details in case someone decides to play it. ;)

As for the plot, well I'll not giving the story away, but I will say it's a "boy coming of age" type of story (though it is more compelling and complex than this suggests) and the game had one of the finest endings I've ever seen in an RPG.

[QUOTE="crushgoil"]secret of mana could be released again.. that'd be nice.. since I've never played it and sadly don't own a snes at the moment.IpodHero176

You could get it on ROM;)

:lol: Or pray that it makes an unlikely appearance on the Wii VC.

If they promoted The Bouncer better could it have been better???? Or how about Einhinder and Vagrant Stories... they were some of the greastest games created and they get no promo or love what s up with that????

Jayvon215

Vagrant Story, definitely! By the way, I'm having a hard time finding this game! SE could make some more Greatest Hits... XD

[QUOTE="Andraxal"]I've never heard of Terraanigma, what is it about? See this is another example of games that aren't publicized very well! :( S_Jake

It never even got a US release, though it enjoyed European and Australian ones. It was released around 1995-96 (depending on the region). The game itself is an Action RPG with fairly simple RPG mechanics and a greater focus on the action itself. The main character (Ark) had about half-a-dozen moves, some of which were more effective against different types of enemy.

One of the games best features was the way in which the main character could influence the growth of a city, which was ambitious (not to mention groundbreaking) at the time, though I'll spare the precise details in case someone decides to play it. ;)

As for the plot, well I'll not giving the story away, but I will say it's a "boy coming of age" type of story (though it is more compelling and complex than this suggests) and the game had one of the finest endings I've ever seen in an RPG.

Wow that sounds really good. I am sure that European/Australian copies of this game wouldn't work on an American system right?

I might go looking for that Mana game, while my SNES still works.

I really wished I got a copy of FFII and Secret of Mana for the SNES when I had it. :( However they weren't very publicized when they came out.

To me, FFII (IV) was really a magical adventure for me. It was my very first game to have a great soundtrack, and I didn't really know what was going on. It left me with that: "Oooooh, this is soo cool, I've never played another game like this" feel. It was truly a magical game that would leave me yearning for more. :( I unfortunately rented it, and I never remembered the name of the game until several years later. I also miss Ogre Battle 64, but that is a topic for another time.

I really wished I got a copy of FFII and Secret of Mana for the SNES when I had it. :( However they weren't very publicized when they came out.

(...)Andraxal

I feel exactly the same way, and would also add FFVI (III) to that list! However,I'd ratherhave the japanese version of FFII, because the american was dumbed down A LOT, had censored stuff and even scenes taken off....

Ah SNES... that was my golden era!

[QUOTE="Jayvon215"]

If they promoted The Bouncer better could it have been better???? Or how about Einhinder and Vagrant Stories... they were some of the greastest games created and they get no promo or love what s up with that????

michelle_moraes

Vagrant Story, definitely! By the way, I'm having a hard time finding this game! SE could make some more Greatest Hits... XD

...Really? It's so easy to find around me. I just figured SE was still releasing copies because of it's cult status...

I think Einhander didn't get promoted much because it was probably a "risk" title that SE may not have been to proud of (which reminds me of an article Celes posted about Nomura's DS game -that was a cool find by the way-). I loved it though and the soundtrack was catchy. The Bouncer (as much as Ienjoyed it)needed more development though...The gameplay took a step backwards from the first real-time trailer of enemies gettingknocked through tables and railings.

[QUOTE="S_Jake"]

[QUOTE="Andraxal"]I've never heard of Terraanigma, what is it about? See this is another example of games that aren't publicized very well! :( queen_valentine

It never even got a US release, though it enjoyed European and Australian ones. It was released around 1995-96 (depending on the region). The game itself is an Action RPG with fairly simple RPG mechanics and a greater focus on the action itself. The main character (Ark) had about half-a-dozen moves, some of which were more effective against different types of enemy.

One of the games best features was the way in which the main character could influence the growth of a city, which was ambitious (not to mention groundbreaking) at the time, though I'll spare the precise details in case someone decides to play it. ;)

As for the plot, well I'll not giving the story away, but I will say it's a "boy coming of age" type of story (though it is more compelling and complex than this suggests) and the game had one of the finest endings I've ever seen in an RPG.

Wow that sounds really good. I am sure that European/Australian copies of this game wouldn't work on an American system right?

I might go looking for that Mana game, while my SNES still works.

I'm afraid so. You'd need some sort of device to convert it being PAL (I used to have one that allowed me to play NTSC games on my PAL SNES). The ROM is IDSA protected too, so downloading that would definitely be illegal (if that sort of thing does indeed bother you).

Good luck finding Secret of Mana, if indeed you go looking for it.

[QUOTE="Andraxal"]

I really wished I got a copy of FFII and Secret of Mana for the SNES when I had it. :( However they weren't very publicized when they came out.

(...)michelle_moraes

I feel exactly the same way, and would also add FFVI (III) to that list! However,I'd ratherhave the japanese version of FFII, because the american was dumbed down A LOT, had censored stuff and even scenes taken off....

Ah SNES... that was my golden era!

Mine too. :) I think that games are a lot less fun these days: There's much less reason to revisit them when they've been completed.

[QUOTE="michelle_moraes"][QUOTE="Jayvon215"]

If they promoted The Bouncer better could it have been better???? Or how about Einhinder and Vagrant Stories... they were some of the greastest games created and they get no promo or love what s up with that????

Kenshin18

Vagrant Story, definitely! By the way, I'm having a hard time finding this game! SE could make some more Greatest Hits... XD

...Really? It's so easy to find around me. I just figured SE was still releasing copies because of it's cult status...

I think Einhander didn't get promoted much because it was probably a "risk" title that SE may not have been to proud of (which reminds me of an article Celes posted about Nomura's DS game -that was a cool find by the way-). I loved it though and the soundtrack was catchy. The Bouncer (as much as Ienjoyed it)needed more development though...The gameplay took a step backwards from the first real-time trailer of enemies gettingknocked through tables and railings.

I think the reason that Einhander wasn't well marketed was because the halcyon days of the scrolling shoot 'em up were about 10 years past at this point, so the game was only going to have limited appeal. Besides, it wasn't a particularly good example of the genre anyway (it wasn't especially bad either, just ordinary).

If you're interested in this type of game, you really should check out the following:

R-Type and R-Type III, Gradius II, Gradius III, Gradius Gaiden and Gradius V, Salamander, X-Multiply (Arcade version, NOT the PS version), Thunderforce IV and Super Aleste.

This genre was my favourite before it fell out of fashion in the early '90s :cry:. If anyone has any questions about a particular game in this list, drop me a line. If there's a game of this type that you'd like an honest opinion on, then you can also PM me because there's a fair chance that I'll at least know something about it. ;)

[QUOTE="Jayvon215"]

If they promoted The Bouncer better could it have been better???? Or how about Einhinder and Vagrant Stories... they were some of the greastest games created and they get no promo or love what s up with that????

michelle_moraes

Vagrant Story, definitely! By the way, I'm having a hard time finding this game! SE could make some more Greatest Hits... XD

I had to get it (Vagrant Story) from Amazon, almost had to get Xenogears that way too but I found it used for $30.00 at GStop (Used for 30!! The game is nearly 10 yeras old and its still that much!) But, I was expecting it to be that much, Xenogears almost wasn't released in the US at all...due to its story, but I'm sure glad SE did it anyway! :D

I am glad I managed to get the SNES versions of FFIV and FFVI. I looove playing them on the SNES, since the screen is bigger (than the DS) and the sound isn't screwed up. But I think mostly for the nostalgia. I remember the first time I ever played VI was when I rented it and I almost didn't keep playing it 'cause I thought the Magitek Armour was so weird. When I saw the "III" in the game I thought it was a continuation of FFIV (I didn't know anything about games, OK?) and so I was expecting to see Cecil & Co. And then I turned it on and saw some green-haired girl on some weird machine thing...I was so lost. But I am super glad I continued to play it anyway...now it's my favourite! :)

I feel exactly the same way, and would also add FFVI (III) to that list! However,I'd ratherhave the japanese version of FFII, because the american was dumbed down A LOT, had censored stuff and even scenes taken off....

Ah SNES... that was my golden era!

michelle_moraes

Speaking of censored stuff...why did SE decide to censor Celes' torture scene in the GBA release? It makes no sense.

I'm afraid so. You'd need some sort of device to convert it being PAL (I used to have one that allowed me to play NTSC games on my PAL SNES). The ROM is IDSA protected too, so downloading that would definitely be illegal (if that sort of thing does indeed bother you).

Good luck finding Secret of Mana, if indeed you go looking for it.

S_Jake

:( That's too bad.

I might go looking for it. Probably the sooner the better. Although right now I really can't afford to buy anything as I am planning on paying my car off in a few months so I can switch schools by January! :D

I had to get it (Vagrant Story) from Amazon, almost had to get Xenogears that way too but I found it used for $30.00 at GStop (Used for 30!! The game is nearly 10 yeras old and its still that much!) But, I was expecting it to be that much, Xenogears almost wasn't released in the US at all...due to its story, but I'm sure glad SE did it anyway! :D

kryu88

Is Xenogears in any way shape or form like Xenosaga? 'Cause I'm all about trying new games, but if it's like Xenosaga....then I'm going to pass it up.queen_valentine

Not really, I personally consider it a standalone game. It has a fantastic story (much better than Xenosaga's), excellent music and the visuals are okay, despite the 2D sprites looking a bit rough against the 3D backgrounds (this is easily forgiven, though). The battle system works like a turn-based ATB, complete with the gauges, but the action stops for a character's turn.

Overall, the game is absolutely brilliant except for the fact that it clearly wasn't finished (as evidenced by the second disk), but it's well worth buying regardless.

[QUOTE="queen_valentine"]Is Xenogears in any way shape or form like Xenosaga? 'Cause I'm all about trying new games, but if it's like Xenosaga....then I'm going to pass it up.S_Jake

Not really, I personally consider it a standalone game. It has a fantastic story (much better than Xenosaga's), excellent music and the visuals are okay, despite the 2D sprites looking a bit rough against the 3D backgrounds (this is easily forgiven, though). The battle system works like a turn-based ATB, complete with the gauges, but the action stops for a character's turn.

Overall, the game is absolutely brilliant except for the fact that it clearly wasn't finished (as evidenced by the second disk), but it's well worth buying regardless.

Thanks for the insight there! I really disliked Xenosaga (just for how slow the pacing of the storytelling was....sooooo many cutscenes) so I didn't know if Xenogears was like it too - in that sense.

It sounds good otherwise - but what do you mean that it wasn't finished? Is the story not properly ended? Does it just cut off?

Hahaha, sorry for all the questions there... :oops:

[QUOTE="S_Jake"]

[QUOTE="queen_valentine"]Is Xenogears in any way shape or form like Xenosaga? 'Cause I'm all about trying new games, but if it's like Xenosaga....then I'm going to pass it up.queen_valentine

Not really, I personally consider it a standalone game. It has a fantastic story (much better than Xenosaga's), excellent music and the visuals are okay, despite the 2D sprites looking a bit rough against the 3D backgrounds (this is easily forgiven, though). The battle system works like a turn-based ATB, complete with the gauges, but the action stops for a character's turn.

Overall, the game is absolutely brilliant except for the fact that it clearly wasn't finished (as evidenced by the second disk), but it's well worth buying regardless.

Thanks for the insight there! I really disliked Xenosaga (just for how slow the pacing of the storytelling was....sooooo many cutscenes) so I didn't know if Xenogears was like it too - in that sense.

It sounds good otherwise - but what do you mean that it wasn't finished? Is the story not properly ended? Does it just cut off?

Hahaha, sorry for all the questions there... :oops:

Well...Xenogears was originally supposed to be a 6-part game series, so, because only one game was released and then the team left Squaresoft, they sorta had no choice but drop the original Xenogears story, andstart over with Xenosaga. But, you could enjoy the game on it's own. I'd say the only similarity to Xenosaga is certain family names, familiar faces, and some (not alot) or the dialogue/cut-scenes can be long. Any long cutscene in Xenogears is most likely going to dwell deep into philosophy and religion (again, these are rare compared to Xenosaga).

[QUOTE="queen_valentine"][QUOTE="S_Jake"]

[QUOTE="queen_valentine"]Is Xenogears in any way shape or form like Xenosaga? 'Cause I'm all about trying new games, but if it's like Xenosaga....then I'm going to pass it up.Kenshin18

Not really, I personally consider it a standalone game. It has a fantastic story (much better than Xenosaga's), excellent music and the visuals are okay, despite the 2D sprites looking a bit rough against the 3D backgrounds (this is easily forgiven, though). The battle system works like a turn-based ATB, complete with the gauges, but the action stops for a character's turn.

Overall, the game is absolutely brilliant except for the fact that it clearly wasn't finished (as evidenced by the second disk), but it's well worth buying regardless.

Thanks for the insight there! I really disliked Xenosaga (just for how slow the pacing of the storytelling was....sooooo many cutscenes) so I didn't know if Xenogears was like it too - in that sense.

It sounds good otherwise - but what do you mean that it wasn't finished? Is the story not properly ended? Does it just cut off?

Hahaha, sorry for all the questions there... :oops:

Well...Xenogears was originally supposed to be a 6-part game series, so, because only one game was released and then the team left Squaresoft, they sorta had no choice but drop the original Xenogears story, andstart over with Xenosaga. But, you could enjoy the game on it's own. I'd say the only similarity to Xenosaga is certain family names, familiar faces, and some (not alot) or the dialogue/cut-scenes can be long. Any long cutscene in Xenogears is most likely going to dwell deep into philosophy and religion (again, these are rare compared to Xenosaga).

You mean Xeno series.

Yeah, a lot of the other off name games don't even get recognized. It's kinda sad really. Most fans will never know about some of the more rarer games made by them. It kinda makes you wonder what in the world the publicist is doing, doesn't it? :( I mean how do they sell some of their off brand titles without any publicity? Andraxal

I know.

[QUOTE="queen_valentine"][QUOTE="S_Jake"]

[QUOTE="queen_valentine"]Is Xenogears in any way shape or form like Xenosaga? 'Cause I'm all about trying new games, but if it's like Xenosaga....then I'm going to pass it up.Kenshin18

Not really, I personally consider it a standalone game. It has a fantastic story (much better than Xenosaga's), excellent music and the visuals are okay, despite the 2D sprites looking a bit rough against the 3D backgrounds (this is easily forgiven, though). The battle system works like a turn-based ATB, complete with the gauges, but the action stops for a character's turn.

Overall, the game is absolutely brilliant except for the fact that it clearly wasn't finished (as evidenced by the second disk), but it's well worth buying regardless.

Thanks for the insight there! I really disliked Xenosaga (just for how slow the pacing of the storytelling was....sooooo many cutscenes) so I didn't know if Xenogears was like it too - in that sense.

It sounds good otherwise - but what do you mean that it wasn't finished? Is the story not properly ended? Does it just cut off?

Hahaha, sorry for all the questions there... :oops:

Well...Xenogears was originally supposed to be a 6-part game series, so, because only one game was released and then the team left Squaresoft, they sorta had no choice but drop the original Xenogears story, andstart over with Xenosaga. But, you could enjoy the game on it's own. I'd say the only similarity to Xenosaga is certain family names, familiar faces, and some (not alot) or the dialogue/cut-scenes can be long. Any long cutscene in Xenogears is most likely going to dwell deep into philosophy and religion (again, these are rare compared to Xenosaga).

What Kenshin says is correct, but I was referring to the fact that Xenogears blatantly wasn't finished (have I said this somewhere else recently?). On disk two, there's loads of text to read instead of things to actually do (I was wondering where the rest of the game was at this point ;) ) and what few areas and battles there are feel like some odds-and-ends that have been haphazardly tossed together in place of the actual game (which had been quite brilliant up to this point).

Don't let this put you off buying the actual game though, because it's very good nonetheless. :)

[QUOTE="Kenshin18"][QUOTE="queen_valentine"][QUOTE="S_Jake"]

[QUOTE="queen_valentine"]Is Xenogears in any way shape or form like Xenosaga? 'Cause I'm all about trying new games, but if it's like Xenosaga....then I'm going to pass it up.S_Jake

Not really, I personally consider it a standalone game. It has a fantastic story (much better than Xenosaga's), excellent music and the visuals are okay, despite the 2D sprites looking a bit rough against the 3D backgrounds (this is easily forgiven, though). The battle system works like a turn-based ATB, complete with the gauges, but the action stops for a character's turn.

Overall, the game is absolutely brilliant except for the fact that it clearly wasn't finished (as evidenced by the second disk), but it's well worth buying regardless.

Thanks for the insight there! I really disliked Xenosaga (just for how slow the pacing of the storytelling was....sooooo many cutscenes) so I didn't know if Xenogears was like it too - in that sense.

It sounds good otherwise - but what do you mean that it wasn't finished? Is the story not properly ended? Does it just cut off?

Hahaha, sorry for all the questions there... :oops:

Well...Xenogears was originally supposed to be a 6-part game series, so, because only one game was released and then the team left Squaresoft, they sorta had no choice but drop the original Xenogears story, andstart over with Xenosaga. But, you could enjoy the game on it's own. I'd say the only similarity to Xenosaga is certain family names, familiar faces, and some (not alot) or the dialogue/cut-scenes can be long. Any long cutscene in Xenogears is most likely going to dwell deep into philosophy and religion (again, these are rare compared to Xenosaga).

What Kenshin says is correct, but I was referring to the fact that Xenogears blatantly wasn't finished (have I said this somewhere else recently?). On disk two, there's loads of text to read instead of things to actually do (I was wondering where the rest of the game was at this point ;) ) and what few areas and battles there are feel like some odds-and-ends that have been haphazardly tossed together in place of the actual game (which had been quite brilliant up to this point).

Don't let this put you off buying the actual game though, because it's very good nonetheless. :)

Hmm....I am still not convinced. Don't worry, it's not you guys's brillaint explaining :) It's just that I was REALLY put off by the ridiculous amount of extremely long cutscenes in Xenosaga. If Xenogears has any of that, I will not play the game. I don't have the patience to watch all that when all I wanna do is play the darn game already! :P

Hmm....I am still not convinced. Don't worry, it's not you guys's brillaint explaining :) It's just that I was REALLY put off by the ridiculous amount of extremely long cutscenes in Xenosaga. If Xenogears has any of that, I will not play the game. I don't have the patience to watch all that when all I wanna do is play the darn game already! :P

queen_valentine

Well, S Jake bought up something in another forum that slipped my mind. At some point in the second disc, the game becomes very text-heavy. You may even find yourself reading for a good 20 min or so...S Jake said it's probably because the game was rushed before the developers were able to finish. It can be off putting, but, overall the game is worth the risk. Just try to find it for at least $20 if a part of you starts to consider it.

btw, I didn't know it was just called the Xeno series, Ipod. I just figured when they decided to start from the beginning, by the time they'd reach episodes 4-6, they may bring some new changes to make Xenogears blend into Xenosaga more, to make Xenosaga be a stand alone series. heh, learned somethin' new today.