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#51 Nedemis
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[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="proof11102"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]:lol:

sure thing bud....how about you actually post some gameplay shots
there? better yet, I'll do it for ya seeing how all you
have is that batch of CGI shots...:lol: btw....don't ever use your screen name as ownage.....:lol:

proof11102



Using blury shot to try to pove a point wont help you in this matter.

Just look at Forza 2 if you want any indication of what an exclusive racer built specifically with the power of xbox360 in mind can acheive after 2 year. In comparison to what PS3 has produced already after 41/2 months on the market...it ain't much. and I was only using F1 as an example, it was by no means a limit. Those (the graphics you saw in that PS3 image) my desperate little lemming friend is what you should understand is the current state of PS3 rendering PS3 is producing at this time...here let me give you another example.



It's sad that you fly into fits of damage control already by posting low res pic of PS3 screens. The PS3 has only been out for 4 months, what will you do after a year? And just for your information and education, since you want to post low rez pics of this awsome looking game, I'll post a direct link to High rez video of GAMEPLAY so you will have full understanding...and xbox360 has nothing like it.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16987&type=mov&pl=game



I guess it should not surprise me that yet once again, you post a screen shot that isn't ACTUAL gameplay. :lol: all you cows are the same...:lol: replay videos and screen shots are you're only saving grace. Never have any of you actually posted REAL gameplay screens or videos....:lol: keep up the DC my friend, it's quite hillarious actually....:lol:

:| Did you even look at the link the direct link I gave you to F1 gameplay footage? Ya know the game that you posted those blury screens for...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16987&type=mov&pl=game

****ing m**** all you can do is make retaded coments with absolutly no proof to back up any of what you say, you and the dimwits who back you up. The whole lot of you lead credence to why someone would think you xbox fans were drons (lemmings) Because to follow someone who made the idiotic comments as you did...they'd have to be brainless.


i did check it out and while it looks incredible, it doesn't look close to the pictures you posted. I just decided to go to the other extreme end of the spectrum.
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#52 jonesy1911
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[QUOTE="proof11102"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="proof11102"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]:lol:

sure thing bud....how about you actually post some gameplay shots
there? better yet, I'll do it for ya seeing how all you
have is that batch of CGI shots...:lol: btw....don't ever use your screen name as ownage.....:lol:

Nedemis



Using blury shot to try to pove a point wont help you in this matter.

Just look at Forza 2 if you want any indication of what an exclusive racer built specifically with the power of xbox360 in mind can acheive after 2 year. In comparison to what PS3 has produced already after 41/2 months on the market...it ain't much. and I was only using F1 as an example, it was by no means a limit. Those (the graphics you saw in that PS3 image) my desperate little lemming friend is what you should understand is the current state of PS3 rendering PS3 is producing at this time...here let me give you another example.



It's sad that you fly into fits of damage control already by posting low res pic of PS3 screens. The PS3 has only been out for 4 months, what will you do after a year? And just for your information and education, since you want to post low rez pics of this awsome looking game, I'll post a direct link to High rez video of GAMEPLAY so you will have full understanding...and xbox360 has nothing like it.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16987&type=mov&pl=game



I guess it should not surprise me that yet once again, you post a screen shot that isn't ACTUAL gameplay. :lol: all you cows are the same...:lol: replay videos and screen shots are you're only saving grace. Never have any of you actually posted REAL gameplay screens or videos....:lol: keep up the DC my friend, it's quite hillarious actually....:lol:

:| Did you even look at the link the direct link I gave you to F1 gameplay footage? Ya know the game that you posted those blury screens for...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16987&type=mov&pl=game

****ing m**** all you can do is make retaded coments with absolutly no proof to back up any of what you say, you and the dimwits who back you up. The whole lot of you lead credence to why someone would think you xbox fans were drons (lemmings) Because to follow someone who made the idiotic comments as you did...they'd have to be brainless.


i did check it out and while it looks incredible, it doesn't look close to the pictures you posted. I just decided to go to the other extreme end of the spectrum.

Have you played the retail version of motorstorm?
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#53 Rifle76
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[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="proof11102"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]:lol:

sure thing bud....how about you actually post some gameplay shots
there? better yet, I'll do it for ya seeing how all you
have is that batch of CGI shots...:lol: btw....don't ever use your screen name as ownage.....:lol:

jonesy1911



Using blury shot to try to pove a point wont help you in this matter.

Just look at Forza 2 if you want any indication of what an exclusive racer built specifically with the power of xbox360 in mind can acheive after 2 year. In comparison to what PS3 has produced already after 41/2 months on the market...it ain't much. and I was only using F1 as an example, it was by no means a limit. Those (the graphics you saw in that PS3 image) my desperate little lemming friend is what you should understand is the current state of PS3 rendering PS3 is producing at this time...here let me give you another example.



It's sad that you fly into fits of damage control already by posting low res pic of PS3 screens. The PS3 has only been out for 4 months, what will you do after a year? And just for your information and education, since you want to post low rez pics of this awsome looking game, I'll post a direct link to High rez video of GAMEPLAY so you will have full understanding...and xbox360 has nothing like it.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16987&type=mov&pl=game



I guess it should not surprise me that yet once again, you post a screen shot that isn't ACTUAL gameplay. :lol: all you cows are the same...:lol: replay videos and screen shots are you're only saving grace. Never have any of you actually posted REAL gameplay screens or videos....:lol: keep up the DC my friend, it's quite hillarious actually....:lol:

:| Did you even look at the link the direct link I gave you to F1 gameplay footage? Ya know the game that you posted those blury screens for...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16987&type=mov&pl=game

****ing m**** all you can do is make retaded coments with absolutly no proof to back up any of what you say, you and the dimwits who back you up. The whole lot of you lead credence to why someone would think you xbox fans were drons (lemmings) Because to follow someone who made the idiotic comments as you did...they'd have to be brainless.


i did check it out and while it looks incredible, it doesn't look close to the pictures you posted. I just decided to go to the other extreme end of the spectrum.

Have you played the retail version of motorstorm?

More likely has he played Motorstorm at all
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#54 xxThyLordxx
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correct me if I'm wrong, this thread is about Burnout 5, right? and not PS3 vs 360.
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#55 DaysAirlines
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correct me if I'm wrong, this thread is about Burnout 5, right?xxThyLordxx
We need to learn how to harness fanboy energy into something productive.
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#56 Rifle76
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correct me if I'm wrong, this thread is about Burnout 5, right?xxThyLordxx
yep they are getting way of track
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#57 Fusible
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LOL! you mean that story that came out on gamepro.com that n4g.com read on. Was actually the 360 build. LOL. It since has been pulled at the request of EA. Why because it was to early to show the 360 pics, or for that matter the PS3 ones. LINK
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#58 jonesy1911
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correct me if I'm wrong, this thread is about Burnout 5, right?xxThyLordxx
Yes but the fact that the guy comes in and says the motorstorm images are not in game because they are taken without the hud in the pause menu is stupid, i say this because i know he's never touched the game other wise he'd know you could do this, and the burnout 5 issuse speaks for itself, they are using ps3 as the base platform, what more can we say,....
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#59 Nedemis
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[QUOTE="Rifle76"][QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="Nedemis"] I did check it out and while it looks incredible, it doesn't look close to the pictures you posted. I just decided to go to the other extreme end of the spectrum.

Have you played the retail version of motorstorm?

More likely has he played Motorstorm at all

yes, i have. A co-worker of mine is a huge Sony fan and he camped out for his PS3. I check his PS3 out roughly a month ago and to be honest with you, the games are not better or worse than the 360's launch offerings. I can't stand the SIXAXIS cause it's way too light and feels cheaply made. The horrible triggers don't help the feel of the controller at all as well. Motorstorm was fun, but I can see it getting old VERY quick. Awesome crashes, but even they got old after a while. R:FOM really didn't do anything amazing other than some pretty sweet physics. I probably spent more time shooting signs then I did actually advancing through the level. :|
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#61 hazbazz
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Looks great, I'll pick it up when I get a 360
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#62 Nedemis
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BTW: Nedemis, here's the GAMEPLAY footage of Motorstom you were crying about so go ahead and **** youself now because you argument has just been vaporized.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17029&type=mov

proof11102
now, now.....that sort of language doesn't need to be used....calm down :|
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#63 SuperVegeta518
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Anyone else expecting a little more?
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#64 proof11102
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correct me if I'm wrong, this thread is about Burnout 5, right? and not PS3 vs 360.xxThyLordxx

This is System wars...when is it ever NOT about PS3 vs 360? 

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Wow, this game has very nice road textures and shadows.
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#66 DementedDragon
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Anyone else expecting a little more?SuperVegeta518

*raises hand*

I'm not that impressed so far; but good things come to those who wait.

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#67 proof11102
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Wow, this game has very nice road textures and shadows.BioShockOwnz

True PS3 has alread shown example so advanced shadows and realistic settings in other racers as well.  This will probably one of the first multiplat games to take advantage of PS3's specific advantges.  I'll be excited to see what they do.

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#68 gander448
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maybe its just me, but that looks pretty bad (graphics wise) the game is still gonna be awesome tho
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#69 fyre577
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This game looks amazing! o.o. But, like always, Gran Turismo 5 probably (and better) will beat out this game in graphics, it has hapened before, and it will happen again. But meh..I am looking forward to this so that when I get my 360 (whenever that happens, since I just got a new PC with a 500 watt power supply and a 8800 GTS), I can get this, GTA IV, and Halo 3.
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#70 DaysAirlines
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It looks great to me, I don't think there is a bad screenshot in there.
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#71 proof11102
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[QUOTE="proof11102"]

BTW: Nedemis, here's the GAMEPLAY footage of Motorstom you were crying about so go ahead and **** youself now because you argument has just been vaporized.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17029&type=mov

 

Nedemis



now, now.....that sort of language doesn't need to be used....calm down :|

Well from now on dont ever attack me calling me a blind cow or whatever it is that you said when I made my post.  I only post facts or opinions that are supported with Proof.  You'll never see a post made me which I've stated as a fact that I can not back up proof.  Being a fanboy you walked right into it trying to call me out, and you made matters ever werse by calling me a names.

This is something you should know, not everyone BS's and not everyone can be owned with nonsence arguments.  For future refrence, you should know that I'm one of those individuals.  If you (anyone) ever decide to try to argue with me on a subject I'm spaking on, or call me a lie on any information I have stated you'd better be on you **** or you WILL get owned!

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#72 DaysAirlines
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[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

BTW: Nedemis, here's the GAMEPLAY footage of Motorstom you were crying about so go ahead and **** youself now because you argument has just been vaporized.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17029&type=mov

 

proof11102



now, now.....that sort of language doesn't need to be used....calm down :|

Well from now on dont ever attack me calling me a blind cow or whatever it is that you said when I made my post.  I only post facts or opinions that are supported with Proof.  You'll never see a post made me which I've stated as a fact that I can not back up proof.  Being a fanboy you walked right into it trying to call me out, and you made matters ever werse by calling me a names.

This is something you should know, not everyone BS's and not everyone can be owned with nonsence arguments.  For future refrence, you should know that I'm one of those individuals.

So what you are saying is that those shots are good because they are from the PS3 version right?
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#73 _AsasN_
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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"][QUOTE="Lanto"]Is this supposed to be on next gen consoles? :question:xjet039



No these shots are from the PS3 version.

yet this game will look better on the 360 and play better like all other multiplats.

Riiiiight! You just keep trying to convince yourself. The rest of us are going to be enjoying games on the PS3 and the 360.
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#74 DaysAirlines
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Wow, this game has very nice road textures and shadows.BioShockOwnz
Yeah those shots are great.
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#75 blacktorn
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Mmm it looks a little bit better than pgr3,i will probs get it seeing as 3 was so much fun
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#76 proof11102
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[QUOTE="proof11102"][QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

BTW: Nedemis, here's the GAMEPLAY footage of Motorstom you were crying about so go ahead and **** youself now because you argument has just been vaporized.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17029&type=mov

 

DaysAirlines



now, now.....that sort of language doesn't need to be used....calm down :|

Well from now on dont ever attack me calling me a blind cow or whatever it is that you said when I made my post.  I only post facts or opinions that are supported with Proof.  You'll never see a post made me which I've stated as a fact that I can not back up proof.  Being a fanboy you walked right into it trying to call me out, and you made matters ever werse by calling me a names.

This is something you should know, not everyone BS's and not everyone can be owned with nonsence arguments.  For future refrence, you should know that I'm one of those individuals.



So what you are saying is that those shots are good because they are from the PS3 version right?

NO!

I'm saying they are PS3 shots because they resimble what has been produced for PS3 in graphics so far (only slightly below...probably becuse it's multiplat), but yeah.  More PS3 than 360.  PS3 graphics are slighly more realistic, xbox360 graphics are what I would accociate with somethimg more cartoonish.  

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the roads looks cool and the buidlings. the cars look to shiny but still prettty good looking.alfy13
LOL, you're kidding, right? The dev for this game already stated that the focus of their developement for it is on PS3. More work on PS3 version = best version.
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#78 Nedemis
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[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

BTW: Nedemis, here's the GAMEPLAY footage of Motorstom you were crying about so go ahead and **** youself now because you argument has just been vaporized.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17029&type=mov

proof11102



now, now.....that sort of language doesn't need to be used....calm down :|

Well from now on dont ever attack me calling me a blind cow or whatever it is that you said when I made my post. I only post facts or opinions that are supported with Proof. You'll never see a post made me which I've stated as a fact that I can not back up proof. Being a fanboy you walked right into it trying to call me out, and you made matters ever werse by calling me a names.

This is something you should know, not everyone BS's and not everyone can be owned with nonsence arguments. For future refrence, you should know that I'm one of those individuals. If you (anyone) ever decide to try to argue with me on a subject I'm spaking on, or call me a lie on any information I have stated you'd better be on you **** or you WILL get owned!

better double check where I came in buddy. You attacked me first.
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#79 DaysAirlines
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[QUOTE="alfy13"]the roads looks cool and the buidlings. the cars look to shiny but still prettty good looking.Timstuff
LOL, you're kidding, right? The dev for this game already stated that the focus of their developement for it is on PS3. More work on PS3 version = best version.

I would assume that.
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#80 darkshadow64
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For Wii? LOL. Yet another hot and cool game sheep gonna miss out on.Ninten007
Im getting tired of this series to be honest.
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#81 proof11102
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[QUOTE="proof11102"][QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

BTW: Nedemis, here's the GAMEPLAY footage of Motorstom you were crying about so go ahead and **** youself now because you argument has just been vaporized.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17029&type=mov

 

Nedemis



now, now.....that sort of language doesn't need to be used....calm down :|

Well from now on dont ever attack me calling me a blind cow or whatever it is that you said when I made my post. I only post facts or opinions that are supported with Proof. You'll never see a post made me which I've stated as a fact that I can not back up proof. Being a fanboy you walked right into it trying to call me out, and you made matters ever werse by calling me a names.

This is something you should know, not everyone BS's and not everyone can be owned with nonsence arguments. For future refrence, you should know that I'm one of those individuals. If you (anyone) ever decide to try to argue with me on a subject I'm spaking on, or call me a lie on any information I have stated you'd better be on you **** or you WILL get owned!



better double check where I came in buddy. You attacked me first.

you mean this?

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Apr 5, 2007 6:28 pm GMT mmogoon wrote:proof11102 wrote:Pretty sure those are PS3 shots. I haven't seen those kinds of semi-realistic graphics from the 360 as of yet. The team also mentioned that they were focusing on the PS3 as the base sysetm for development and would be utilizing the Cell for such things as physics and amount of objects seen on the screen.

You have to be kidding me
my thoughts exactly....so far the 360 seems to be the ONLY system that has put out graphics of that level or better....

 

Is that not you questioning the credibility of my post? And then you went on to say that the 360 is the ONLY system to produce those graphics or better...but yeah, you're kinda right.  I werent' the one to call me a blind cow.  Sry bout that.

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#82 DaysAirlines
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I think the 360 could handle some of that graphical fidelity.
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#83 proof11102
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[QUOTE="proof11102"][QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

BTW: Nedemis, here's the GAMEPLAY footage of Motorstom you were crying about so go ahead and **** youself now because you argument has just been vaporized.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17029&type=mov

 

DaysAirlines



now, now.....that sort of language doesn't need to be used....calm down :|

Well from now on dont ever attack me calling me a blind cow or whatever it is that you said when I made my post.  I only post facts or opinions that are supported with Proof.  You'll never see a post made me which I've stated as a fact that I can not back up proof.  Being a fanboy you walked right into it trying to call me out, and you made matters ever werse by calling me a names.

This is something you should know, not everyone BS's and not everyone can be owned with nonsence arguments.  For future refrence, you should know that I'm one of those individuals.



So what you are saying is that those shots are good because they are from the PS3 version right?

See this is what I was talking about.  Look at the updated screens you posted.  Some of those screens have a "realistic" sheen or look to them that has only been seen for games made exclusively for PS3 so far.  These other screens have that "cartoonish" look I was refering to the lets identify if I'm looking at a xbox360 game. 

Here let me show you what a mean...

realistic probably...PS3

cartoonish...probably xbox360

realistic...probaly PS3

cartoonish...probably xbox360

realistic...probaly PS3

cartoonish...probably xbox360

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#84 007ybse04
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There are some Burnout Revenge shots :) (Brown screens)
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#85 DaysAirlines
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There are some Burnout Revenge shots :) (Brown screens)007ybse04
Yah I had them in there. No one noticed and argued about how the 360 couldn't handle the game.
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#86 OpticalCanine
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if u sed that the 360 cant handle this your a bind fanboy who is only mad bc ur stuck posting about games that u wish u had instead of actually playing good games like 360 owners. the graphicks are OK nothing amazing, they look like carbon or something.
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#87 AcidRonen
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as long as this burnout contains the same great gameplay the last 2 did than its a buy for me
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#88 Kahuna_1
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Nedemis, you never resonded to proof's comment where he showed you the link saying that the PS3 is the lead unit for this game after you said only the 360 has produced this level of graphics.
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#89 Kikouken
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Looks really good.
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#90 A-LEGEND
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once again, cows you should really understand what you post before you post. Frankly everyone has stopped caring about what you guys post.

We are well aware that the PS3 can do physics better out of the consoles, but that has nothing to do with graphics which the 360 clearly has the upper hand and most likely will continue to do so thanks to the BETTER GPU. and no the cell cannot empower its GPU. the PS3 DOES have the upper hand in physics but that is about it. The 360 has it in Graphics and AI. yet we still have Battle field bad company coming a completly destructable environment that looks stunning.

if you dont like the way things have turned out for you this gen, you can go cry and nobody will listen. this goes especialy to your proof, posting dumb screenshots to prove your false points.

 

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

i advise you to shut your mouth.

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#91 -L-U-I-S-
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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"][QUOTE="Lanto"]Is this supposed to be on next gen consoles? :question:xjet039



No these shots are from the PS3 version.

yet this game will look better on the 360 and play better like all other multiplats.

We will wait until its out to see
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#92 Ninja-Vox
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Man, the road textures look just as bad as the last game they released on the 360. This looks like a pretty lazy game, to be honest.
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#93 Ninja-Vox
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[QUOTE="xjet039"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"][QUOTE="Lanto"]Is this supposed to be on next gen consoles? :question:-L-U-I-S-



No these shots are from the PS3 version.

yet this game will look better on the 360 and play better like all other multiplats.


We will wait until its out to see



He's wrong. The team made the game predominantly for the PS3, as the series was once a PS2 exclusive and they've become accustomed to Sony's development tools. It was on Gamespot a few days ago.
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#94 Ninja-Vox
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proof11102, you do realise that you fell for his incredibly obvious attempt for somebody to make themselves look stupid, as all of the shots you say "cartoonish... must be a 360 game" are from LAST YEAR'S Xbox-port "Burnout Revenge". Nice job.
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#95 GTSaiyanjin2
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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"][QUOTE="proof11102"][QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

BTW: Nedemis, here's the GAMEPLAY footage of Motorstom you were crying about so go ahead and **** youself now because you argument has just been vaporized.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17029&type=mov

 

proof11102



now, now.....that sort of language doesn't need to be used....calm down :|

Well from now on dont ever attack me calling me a blind cow or whatever it is that you said when I made my post. I only post facts or opinions that are supported with Proof. You'll never see a post made me which I've stated as a fact that I can not back up proof. Being a fanboy you walked right into it trying to call me out, and you made matters ever werse by calling me a names.

This is something you should know, not everyone BS's and not everyone can be owned with nonsence arguments. For future refrence, you should know that I'm one of those individuals.



So what you are saying is that those shots are good because they are from the PS3 version right?

See this is what I was talking about. Look at the updated screens you posted. Some of those screens have a "realistic" sheen or look to them that has only been seen for games made exclusively for PS3 so far. These other screens have that "cartoonish" look I was refering to the lets identify if I'm looking at a xbox360 game.

Here let me show you what a mean...

realistic probably...PS3

cartoonish...probably xbox360

realistic...probaly PS3

cartoonish...probably xbox360

realistic...probaly PS3

cartoonish...probably xbox360

WTF some of those shots are from Burnout Revenge for PS2/360. I can easily tell I have both games