20 MIllion + players for Halo Infinite -- 18 Million for Forza Horizon 5

whats the point your getting at?

Thanks for confirming that Sony First Party's one and done games has a completion rate well below 50%. Thanks for proving they are a failure!

As for your question, don't know never played or cared for any Halo or Forza game but pretty sure those have much higher retention rates than that of any of Sony First Party title since many of them are still played to this day even if I find it ironic.

Impressive numbers, but also meaningless without some sort of context added to them. It could be 20 million people who played for 100 hours or 20 million people who played one match and quit.

@pc_rocks: you cared that’s why you commented on it, I asked a simple question and you didn’t answer i could care less about completion rate, games sold and subscription services is a big difference, did the game cause a spike in subscription, if completion rate is low will they just cancel production of the series or cause to less focus on the series, what is the plan here, ps i hate subscription services they teach people to lower their standards and quality just sucks

@thedork_knight: just trying to understand, games sold vs subscription services is big difference people are more likely to complete the game, if completion rate is low will MS cancel the series focus less on it, make games 5 hours long or release it episode style

I have completed more games since owning gamepass than I did before gamepass. I buy games and use the GP service. (complete does not mean 100% achievements for me but that I completed the story)

Impressive from FH, would have guessed Halo numbers would have been better.

No, you didn't ask a question but thrown a tantrum which if I were to guess was because you were b*tthurt! Now thanks for confirming that completion rate for Sony games are way less than 50% hence were a total failure.

Ohh i guess you can brag about studio acquisitions? I'd probably wait till they actually produce decent games though.

@silentchief: lol… if you think a future acquisition of COD is alI i’m referring to, you must really have been living under a rock…..Lems have been living the life of Riley since launch.

That is very impressive, and good news to see the franchise still has some strong legs! But let's not gloss over the many platforms and F2P that surely contributed to this stat.

I contributed to Forza's 15 million, but didn't play more than a few hours. Engagement is good, regardless.

Lol with what games? Halo and Forza?

@pc_rocks: why am i b*utthurt, how is it failure, and why do you care about completion rate so much i only asked a simple question and typical Xbox fanboy starts defending,

@regnaston: ok

Forza Horizon 5
Age of Empires 4
Halo Infinite
Flight Simulator
Psychonauts 2

That was last year alone, and I must say... pretty damn good output, considering how several of those were GOTY contenders in their own right.

Well, you were the one harping about the completion rate so thanks for confirming that completion rate for Sony games are way less than 50% hence were a total failure.

Goodness no. Being happy with a console choice is about so much more than just games.
It’ll be a rather long response, but for me there’s so many reasons why Xbox has had a better launch and start than Ps5.

Xbox have been they’re own worst enemy in the past, and many Cows here were confident that MS would pull the plug if and when problems arose again….maybe Sony thought that too.

Pre-launch, MS promised to target games. On that front Halo and Forza have been swallowed up by gamers as the figures here show. On top of that there’s been the acquisitions of not only Activision but also Zenimax.
They also pushed their commitment to BC, promised upgrades to last gen MS games would be free and kept to their word as with Hivebusters, the Gears DLC. They spoke about improvements to Gamepass and increased the amount of games available to nearly 400 and included day 1 3rd party releases, cross gen compatible controllers and improvements and expansions to Xcloud.

Sony told us they believe in generations. That games made for the ps5 couldn’t be done on PS4. That changed almost instantly. They spoke about the wondrous SSD, and how next gen it was. It’s since shown there’s hardly any difference in some cases and the reverse in some. They tried to charge for upgrades of PS4 games, then had to swallow pride and reverse the decision for launch games. Worse, they announced HZD as a launch game, then tried to charge for the upgrade when it was delayed because it was no longer a launch title. All future games will cost 10 bucks to upgrade. They’ve raised the prices of 1st party games - charging $70 for Returnal even surprised the Devs who had created budget games until then.

MS have launched a smaller, more powerful, quieter, better looking console that has a game plan going forward. Sony launched the PS5 with the same strategy (1st party exclusives) at a higher price….but by putting those games on PC, pulling PSNow and promising an answer to Gamepass it looks like they’re already in full damage control as they try to figure out how to answer “All they got”.

@firedrakes: I didn't experience any bugs for FH5.

@pc_rocks: ok fanboy

Nice try, Xboy. PS fans wasn't even in the thread, yet you Xbabies, provoke PS fans first and foremost. Looks like you do not know what to do instead.

Damn, MS has 40 million people playing those games in the past 2 months? Good god. And now that they own COD and will have exclusive rights to that game (since it's their first party game) after next year, it's gonna be a blood bath.

You literally just made up that Xbox fans equate player numbers with sales. :-S

And no one provoked you, you felt threatened for some reason is what happened.

The only baby in this thread is you but you are too much of a baby to realize.😂🤣

Glad I could help you see that completion rate for Sony games are way less than 50% hence were a total failure.

@pc_rocks: ok fanboy

Glad I could help you see that completion rate for Sony games are way less than 50% hence were a total failure.

@pc_rocks: Please explain, in detail, how a completion rate under a certain percentage (you can even decide that number) makes the game a "total failure".

@mowgly1: because this is System Wars.

Ask your fellow cow who suggested that in the first place, my dear cow who's stuck with a 720psub 30FPS in 2022.

@pc_rocks: Afraid to answer...I didn't expect much else from you. Lmfao 😅

To each their own, however i see a little different scenario. The positive's you named for Microsoft were already being done. They were already committed to gamepass before the Series X and their work on backwards compatibility started far before the Series X came out. Although i will commend them on this i think they did a good job on that. However that's where the positives end.

As much as Xbox fans wan't to rip Sony for backtracking in generations facts or facts. Cross platform games hold back current gen games. Their is no denying this. Regardless the PS5 in it's first full year at launch has launched 4 graphically impressive GOTY contenders in Spiderman MM , Demon Souls, Ratchet and Clank Rift apart and Returnal. The more they bitch about paying $70 for a game the more i realize they deserve the budget trash they are getting. You could take your loved one out to eat, spend 2 hours out and easily spend $200. Take your wife to a movie for 2 and a half hours and you will have a hard time dropping less then $40. So how is a game that provides anywhere from 20 to 70 hours of entertainment over priced at $70? I saw on this very forum people trying to say Gunk would be on par with Ratchet and Clank. Sorry but they are worlds apart.

Now we get into the hardware. As much as Sony overhyped the SSD at the end of the day it is a massive leap over the previous gen. When all is said and done it's one of the biggest leaps this generation has to offer. But you want to talk about overhyped? Let's talk about " TEH POWAH" of the Series X. Here we are over a year later and the PS5 still wins half it's head to heads. If it's the more powerful console it shouldn't be a coin flip which system has the better version. Not to mention in 2021 it was the PS5 that unanimously won best graphics with with a game that was " exclusive" to PS5. Meaning Sony was right that T flops weren't everything and cross gen does hold your games back. On top of that we have a high end VR coming and the best controller on the market.

As far as the Gamepass clone it's doubtful it will do what GP does. The rumor is it would combine PS now and PS+. I for one fear subscription services will degrade quality and so far iv'e seen nothing that proves this wrong. There is no reason for Sony to follow MS as they out sold MS more then 2 to 1 last gen. You say Sony is panicking but it's MS who dropped 80 billion dollars the past 3 years just so they could compete.

Nope :

Not my fault you don't have the mental capacity to understand the answer because you're still stuck playing at 720p/subs 30 FPS in 2022.

@mowgly1: No one in this thread said that though.

twitter is a cesspool. You'll find the worst filth there.

Even then, that tweet doesn't mention sales, only player count.

Latest GOW figure for PS4 was 20 mil. sold, not player counts. So, he implied sales numbers = sales. Anyway, need to check my post history because i know that i've mentioned here before to someone player counts = sales

Those cow tears...

Bro, 20 million people have played Halo. You can sit there and armchair quarter back how MS makes it's money, but I am pretty sure they know what they are doing more than you do.

20 million people playing Halo. 18 million people playing Forza Horizon 5. Suck it up buddy, MS is on a roll.

@silentchief: @sheep99: @vfighter: Hey, can you guys keep posting? I need some more salt for my french fries.

@dabear: garlic salt or pepper salt

@dabear: Yea, subscription numbers don't make me salty lol.

From what we have seen so far, Game Pass subscription INCREASES quality. We are already seeing that Game Pass games are outscoring PS games. No wonder Sony is looking at doing similar, and moving all their games on to Microsoft Windows PC.

In this case:

Free > $70

Then why are you here?

Look, you cannot apply the metric of "physical copies sold" to a subscription service model. It doesn't work that way. It's all about getting the game in peoples' hands, and getting them to sign up for Game Pass. That's it - that's Microsoft's end game. Every successful game launch on XBox means more and more Game Pass subscriptions. That's why 3 months ago, everyone was saying "they only have 18 million subscribers!", and now they have 24-25 million - that's at least $240 million a month (probably closer to $350, because Ultimate is quite popular).

If they keep that number where it's is (which is highly unlikely, the trend is up), that between $2.8 and $4.2 billion dollars a year in subscription revenues alone. If they get to their golden number of 100m Game Pass subscribers, that could be up to $1.5 trillion a year.

I wouldn't be surprised if MS uses CoD to try and force Sony to put Game Pass on Playstation.

No their not. Not in the same genres.

And i think they said specifically they wouldn't move all their games to PC.

$15 a month isn't free and it's doubtful it will stay at $15 a month.

No i just think it's a weird thing to gloat about. Revenue doesn't mean profit and i'm curious if they will spend the money to make the kind of games i like. However i agree they would love to get GP on PS but not sure how that would work out.

But Xbox Games Studios is releasing quality games..

look at a multiplatform game like Psychonauts 2.. available day-one on Game Pass.. Next, look at an Xbox exclusive like Forza Horizon 5.. available day-one on Game Pass.. Halo Infinite has a 9/10 on Gamespot, a 9/10 on IGN, and a 87% on Metacritic.. Day-one on Game Pass.. How about Flight Simulator?..

Now, please explain how these games have "degraded quality" due to Game Pass.. 😐

This is just baseless concern trolling as a damage control tactic.. plain and simple.. Game Pass is proving to be a valuable service for Xbox customers and, currently, Sony doesn't have a service that's competing on the same level.. that's the only "fear" i see here..

A F2P game and a Gamepass downloads. Naaah, i'll pass.

Yes, they are.

Sony plans to move all their games to PC and closer to the release dates. Hence why they are buying these PC port companies.

Wait, so it's $15 a month this week. Next week it will be free? I need the calendar please, everyone keep changing how much Game Pass costs weekly, if not daily. Some days you say it's free and MS has to give away their games. Then you say it's a $1.00 for 3 years. Then you say it's $10 a month. Now today, all of a sudden Xbox Game Pass costs $15 a month. When did MS raise the price of Game Pass for Xbox? And then you say subscriptions effect quality, and yet Xbox has had the BEST rated games ever, and they are all on Game Pass.

I can't keep up with you guys.

Nope.

And no they don't. You think one port studio could move all their exclusives? Enjoy paying full price for 2 to 3 year old games.

I don't know you tell me? MS keeps changing it and they will continue to do so till your hooked. And no you don't have the highest scoring games. You got exclusives on GP that are 94+ this gen Because if you don't you have no clue what your talking about.

Well here's the Steam Player Counts.

https://steamcharts.com/app/1240440

Definitely dropped a lot...

Not sure on actual Xbox Numbers

apparently Sea of Thieves is at 25 millions players and 5 million sold on Steam.. wow..