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1. Price is high/waiting for a price drop

2. Satisfied by DS/DSi

3. Worried about eye strain

4. Worried about getting sick from the screen

5. Few launch titles

6. Will buy once a game I want is released

7. Satisfied by cell phone and smartphone games

8. Satisfied by PSP

9. The battery is weak

10. It's heavy and I don't feel like carrying it with me

11. Can't play Game Boy Advance games

12. The color I want isn't available

13. Can't play Game Boy games

14. I'll save my money for NGP, thank you very much

15. Waiting for a version with a larger screen

16. Because you can't move your DSi Points over

17. The buttons layout looks hard to use

18. No Famicom/NES in the Virtual Console

19. The zoom view for DS games is hard on the eyes

20. Waiting until my friend buys it

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/01/goo_3ds_survey/

personal comment: looking at the option like "Satisfied by cell phone and smartphone games" "It's heavy and I don't feel like carrying it with me". it obvious that smarthphone gaming is effected greatly on 3DS demographic

bytheway the survey seem aim at casula crowd at the start (more female).

NGP obviously low becouse we had yet see many thing about it like price and game

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They seem to be fair points. Most likely, with the release of games like Kid Icarus, Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Paper Mario, Animal Crossing, Metal Gear Solid 3D, Kingdom Hearts (all due for release this year) and with the launch of the eShop and browser, we will see sales of this system shoot up appreciably worldwide.
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1 - 20: No gaems
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personal comment: looking at the option like "Satisfied by cell phone and smartphone games" "It's heavy and I don't feel like carrying it with me". it obvious that smarthphone gaming is effected greatly on 3DS demographic

bytheway the survey seem aim at casual crowd at the start (more female).

NGP obviously low becouse we had yet see many thing about it like price and game

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Points 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 and 15 apply to me. I will want the system later on, but I have no need for it right now.

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personal comment: looking at the option like "Satisfied by cell phone and smartphone games" "It's heavy and I don't feel like carrying it with me". it obvious that smarthphone gaming is effected greatly on 3DS demographic

bytheway the survey seem aim at casual crowd at the start (more female).

NGP obviously low becouse we had yet see many thing about it like price and game

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If the 3DS is affected by smartphones, then the NGP will too. Like I have said numerous times, we should not expect any handheld to replicate the success of the DS again, the market has changed too much for that. However, I do think that PSP to GBA levels of cumulative sales (that is, 60-85 million units sold) is about right, and that is what I expect the 3DS to hit, once the games start rolling in. Luckily for us, and for Nintendo, the games start rolling in this month.
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Most consoles launch with a not-so-good games lineup.

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Nintendo just took the last remnants of the market, at least they are going to take some of the invested money back.

Sony in the other hand, seems to have a shady future ahead.

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#9 Bread_or_Decide
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Pretty much. Yeah.

Glasses free 3D was not enough. Seems like Nintendo grossly over estimated the appeal of this feature.

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I hope more devs concentrate on bringing more quality games to iOS and Android. If smartphones want to be the new handheld gaming devices then they need a few more killer apps.
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No games .... and the PSP .... sooner that will change, but the arrival of NGP will again affect 3Ds.

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sorta goes on the theory that 3d gaming is just a gimmick. that and there are no outstanding games for it. also take into account ppl still have their ds lites and ds xls and ds with cameras.
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If the 3DS is affected by smartphones, then the NGP will too. Like I have said numerous times, we should not expect any handheld to replicate the success of the DS again, the market has changed too much for that. However, I do think that PSP to GBA levels of cumulative sales (that is, 60-85 million units sold) is about right, and that is what I expect the 3DS to hit, once the games start rolling in. Luckily for us, and for Nintendo, the games start rolling in this month.charizard1605

nope smartphone generally effected 3DS demographic (which is casual market)

asphalt 3D $40 (3DS)

3d

asphalt 6 $5 (smartphone)

6

guess which one more apealing

yes you can say this game suck and 3Ds have better game like MGS3D. but if you hardcore non nintendo fanboy gamer. which one do you think more apealling. 3DS or NGP?

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]If the 3DS is affected by smartphones, then the NGP will too. Like I have said numerous times, we should not expect any handheld to replicate the success of the DS again, the market has changed too much for that. However, I do think that PSP to GBA levels of cumulative sales (that is, 60-85 million units sold) is about right, and that is what I expect the 3DS to hit, once the games start rolling in. Luckily for us, and for Nintendo, the games start rolling in this month.r12qi

yes you can say this game suck and 3Ds have better game like MGS3D. but if you hardcore non nintendo fanboy gamer. which one do you think more apealling. 3DS or NGP?

If I'm a non Nintendo fanboy unbiased hardcore gamer, then which system is more interesting depends ONLY ON THE GAMES ANNOUNCED FOR THE SYSTEM. Right now, the 3DS has more first party AND third party support than the NGP. If you're only about the tech of a system (which is rumored to be downgraded in the NGP anyway), then yeah, go for the NGP. However, if games are what you go by, then as of right now, the 3DS still remains the more appealing option.

Also, the 3DS does not appeal ONLY to the casual market. It ALSO appeals to the casual market, but like the DS< it also appeals to the core market.

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[QUOTE="r12qi"]

personal comment: looking at the option like "Satisfied by cell phone and smartphone games" "It's heavy and I don't feel like carrying it with me". it obvious that smarthphone gaming is effected greatly on 3DS demographic

bytheway the survey seem aim at casual crowd at the start (more female).

NGP obviously low becouse we had yet see many thing about it like price and game

charizard1605
If the 3DS is affected by smartphones, then the NGP will too. Like I have said numerous times, we should not expect any handheld to replicate the success of the DS again, the market has changed too much for that. However, I do think that PSP to GBA levels of cumulative sales (that is, 60-85 million units sold) is about right, and that is what I expect the 3DS to hit, once the games start rolling in. Luckily for us, and for Nintendo, the games start rolling in this month.

I think you're right to a certain degree, but the NGP will be offering something that a lot more people are interested in besides 3D: Superior graphics and hardware capabilities. Other than 3D and Mario Bros there's not much the 3DS can do that smartphones can't while the NGP will at least have the technical prowess to offer a superior gaming experience. Just saying.
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[QUOTE="r12qi"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]If the 3DS is affected by smartphones, then the NGP will too. Like I have said numerous times, we should not expect any handheld to replicate the success of the DS again, the market has changed too much for that. However, I do think that PSP to GBA levels of cumulative sales (that is, 60-85 million units sold) is about right, and that is what I expect the 3DS to hit, once the games start rolling in. Luckily for us, and for Nintendo, the games start rolling in this month.charizard1605

yes you can say this game suck and 3Ds have better game like MGS3D. but if you hardcore non nintendo fanboy gamer. which one do you think more apealling. 3DS or NGP?

If I'm a non Nintendo fanboy unbiased hardcore gamer, then which system is more interesting depends ONLY ON THE GAMES ANNOUNCED FOR THE SYSTEM. Right now, the 3DS has more first party AND third party support than the NGP. If you're only about the tech of a system (which is rumored to be downgraded in the NGP anyway), then yeah, go for the NGP. However, if games are what you go by, then as of right now, the 3DS still remains the more appealing option.

Also, the 3DS does not appeal ONLY to the casual market. It ALSO appeals to the casual market, but like the DS< it also appeals to the core market.

I don't think the games library is a good thing to use in arguing which is going to be more appealing seeing as how we're months away for the NGP launch and still not sure on what they're bringing to the table while already months into the 3DS launch and it still hasn't gotten a killer app.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="r12qi"]

personal comment: looking at the option like "Satisfied by cell phone and smartphone games" "It's heavy and I don't feel like carrying it with me". it obvious that smarthphone gaming is effected greatly on 3DS demographic

bytheway the survey seem aim at casual crowd at the start (more female).

NGP obviously low becouse we had yet see many thing about it like price and game

MrSelf-Destruct
If the 3DS is affected by smartphones, then the NGP will too. Like I have said numerous times, we should not expect any handheld to replicate the success of the DS again, the market has changed too much for that. However, I do think that PSP to GBA levels of cumulative sales (that is, 60-85 million units sold) is about right, and that is what I expect the 3DS to hit, once the games start rolling in. Luckily for us, and for Nintendo, the games start rolling in this month.

I think you're right to a certain degree, but the NGP will be offering something that a lot more people are interested in besides 3D: Superior graphics and hardware capabilities. Other than 3D and Mario Bros there's not much the 3DS can do that smartphones can't while the NGP will at least have the technical prowess to offer a superior gaming experience. Just saying.

Superior graphics and technology? Wasn't the last generation indication enough that graphics do not matter, and especially in the handheld market? If graphics were all that mattered, shouldn't the PSP have had all the sales and third party support of the DS, while the DS languished at the bottom of the heap? And there is a lot that the 3DS can do that smartphones can't... namely, it can play games, real, deep gaming experiences, that smartphones can't. With games like Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Pokemon, Mario Kart, Kid Icarus, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Assassin's Creed etc all announced on the 3DS, you know where you want to go if you want to play proper games. Finally, the NGP provides a superior gameplay experience... to what? Smartphones? So does the 3DS! So is it superior to the 3DS? No, we have no way of knowing. I'm just saying, people's collective memories seem to be very short. This seems to be a scene by scene repeat of 2004, where everybody was proclaiming the PSP to be the winner, and the DS to be dead, and look how that turned out. Seriously, guys... never underestimate Nintendo in the handheld market.
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The main reason I'm not buying it is that NGP is on the way.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="r12qi"]

yes you can say this game suck and 3Ds have better game like MGS3D. but if you hardcore non nintendo fanboy gamer. which one do you think more apealling. 3DS or NGP?

MrSelf-Destruct

If I'm a non Nintendo fanboy unbiased hardcore gamer, then which system is more interesting depends ONLY ON THE GAMES ANNOUNCED FOR THE SYSTEM. Right now, the 3DS has more first party AND third party support than the NGP. If you're only about the tech of a system (which is rumored to be downgraded in the NGP anyway), then yeah, go for the NGP. However, if games are what you go by, then as of right now, the 3DS still remains the more appealing option.

Also, the 3DS does not appeal ONLY to the casual market. It ALSO appeals to the casual market, but like the DS< it also appeals to the core market.

I don't think the games library is a good thing to use in arguing which is going to be more appealing seeing as how we're months away for the NGP launch and still not sure on what they're bringing to the table while already months into the 3DS launch and it still hasn't gotten a killer app.

That is exactly how it was with the DS, it took the DS a year and a half to get a killer app, and its first killer app was Nintendogs, for crying out loud! The first proper killer app the DS got was Mario Kart DS and Advance Wars Dual Strike, and that was still later. The 3DS will already have a robust library consisting of names like Metal Gear Solid, Kingdom Hearts, Resident Evil, Dead or Alive, Street Fighter, Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart and Kid Icarus by the time the NGP hits... are you seriously telling me the NGP won't have trouble facing off against a library like that? Again, I'd like to say, never underestimate Nintendo in the handheld market.
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[QUOTE="r12qi"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]If the 3DS is affected by smartphones, then the NGP will too. Like I have said numerous times, we should not expect any handheld to replicate the success of the DS again, the market has changed too much for that. However, I do think that PSP to GBA levels of cumulative sales (that is, 60-85 million units sold) is about right, and that is what I expect the 3DS to hit, once the games start rolling in. Luckily for us, and for Nintendo, the games start rolling in this month.charizard1605

yes you can say this game suck and 3Ds have better game like MGS3D. but if you hardcore non nintendo fanboy gamer. which one do you think more apealling. 3DS or NGP?

If I'm a non Nintendo fanboy unbiased hardcore gamer, then which system is more interesting depends ONLY ON THE GAMES ANNOUNCED FOR THE SYSTEM. Right now, the 3DS has more first party AND third party support than the NGP. If you're only about the tech of a system (which is rumored to be downgraded in the NGP anyway), then yeah, go for the NGP. However, if games are what you go by, then as of right now, the 3DS still remains the more appealing option.

Also, the 3DS does not appeal ONLY to the casual market. It ALSO appeals to the casual market, but like the DS< it also appeals to the core market.

DS appeals to the core market ?!! may be if you mean it's as appealing as the Wii to the core market, then yeah.

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17. The button layout looks hard to use.

Looks like the exact same button layout from the past DS to me.

18. No NES/Famicom on the VC.

I'm sorry, but what kind of reason is that? Sure, Nintendo (and other companies) put games from the 8-bit era on GBA and heck I'm playing a Sega Genesis/Mega Drive collection of Sonic games on my DS, but Nintendo confirmed only a HANDHELD VC (Gameboy Games) for 3DS, did they not?

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="r12qi"]

yes you can say this game suck and 3Ds have better game like MGS3D. but if you hardcore non nintendo fanboy gamer. which one do you think more apealling. 3DS or NGP?

omho88

If I'm a non Nintendo fanboy unbiased hardcore gamer, then which system is more interesting depends ONLY ON THE GAMES ANNOUNCED FOR THE SYSTEM. Right now, the 3DS has more first party AND third party support than the NGP. If you're only about the tech of a system (which is rumored to be downgraded in the NGP anyway), then yeah, go for the NGP. However, if games are what you go by, then as of right now, the 3DS still remains the more appealing option.

Also, the 3DS does not appeal ONLY to the casual market. It ALSO appeals to the casual market, but like the DS< it also appeals to the core market.

DS appeals to the core market ?!! may be if you mean it's as appealing as the Wii to the core market, then yeah.

Please. Comparing the Wii to the DS is just one of the most ignorant things I have ever read. Have you seen the DS's library and the sheer number of quality games, first party AND third party, that it got? Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver, Pokemon Black/White, Dragon Quest IV, Dragon Quest V, Dragon Quest VI, Dragon Quest IX, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2, Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings, Final Fantasy: 4 Warriors of Light, Advance Wars: Dual Strike, Advance Wars: Day of Ruin, The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks, Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time, Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, New Super Mario Bros., Metroid Prime: Hunters, Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin, Castlevania: Order of Eclescia, Professor Layton and the Curious Village, Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box, Professor Layton and the Unwound Future, Mario Kart DS, Contra 4, Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars, Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword, The World Ends With You, Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor, Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey, Okamiden, Golden Sun: Dark Dawn, Scribblenauts, Super Scribblenauts, Ghost Trick, Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, Call of Duty: World at War, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare: Mobilized, Call of Duty: Black Ops, Dementium: The Ward, Dementium 2, Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon, Elite Beat Agents, Kirby's Canvas Curse... Seriously, what are you even talking about?
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[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]If the 3DS is affected by smartphones, then the NGP will too. Like I have said numerous times, we should not expect any handheld to replicate the success of the DS again, the market has changed too much for that. However, I do think that PSP to GBA levels of cumulative sales (that is, 60-85 million units sold) is about right, and that is what I expect the 3DS to hit, once the games start rolling in. Luckily for us, and for Nintendo, the games start rolling in this month.charizard1605
I think you're right to a certain degree, but the NGP will be offering something that a lot more people are interested in besides 3D: Superior graphics and hardware capabilities. Other than 3D and Mario Bros there's not much the 3DS can do that smartphones can't while the NGP will at least have the technical prowess to offer a superior gaming experience. Just saying.

Superior graphics and technology? Wasn't the last generation indication enough that graphics do not matter, and especially in the handheld market? If graphics were all that mattered, shouldn't the PSP have had all the sales and third party support of the DS, while the DS languished at the bottom of the heap? And there is a lot that the 3DS can do that smartphones can't... namely, it can play games, real, deep gaming experiences, that smartphones can't. With games like Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Pokemon, Mario Kart, Kid Icarus, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Assassin's Creed etc all announced on the 3DS, you know where you want to go if you want to play proper games. Finally, the NGP provides a superior gameplay experience... to what? Smartphones? So does the 3DS! So is it superior to the 3DS? No, we have no way of knowing. I'm just saying, people's collective memories seem to be very short. This seems to be a scene by scene repeat of 2004, where everybody was proclaiming the PSP to be the winner, and the DS to be dead, and look how that turned out. Seriously, guys... never underestimate Nintendo in the handheld market.

but NGP do more than 3DS can in term of gaming AND multi device like dual analog stick and multitouch screen.

entire reason why DS sell more than PSP is becouse the price. now 3DS is on 249 and if rumor indicate NGP will on 299-249. and now PSP is HOT thing in japan. it will be easy too attarck people buying NGP

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] I think you're right to a certain degree, but the NGP will be offering something that a lot more people are interested in besides 3D: Superior graphics and hardware capabilities. Other than 3D and Mario Bros there's not much the 3DS can do that smartphones can't while the NGP will at least have the technical prowess to offer a superior gaming experience. Just saying. r12qi

Superior graphics and technology? Wasn't the last generation indication enough that graphics do not matter, and especially in the handheld market? If graphics were all that mattered, shouldn't the PSP have had all the sales and third party support of the DS, while the DS languished at the bottom of the heap? And there is a lot that the 3DS can do that smartphones can't... namely, it can play games, real, deep gaming experiences, that smartphones can't. With games like Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Pokemon, Mario Kart, Kid Icarus, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Assassin's Creed etc all announced on the 3DS, you know where you want to go if you want to play proper games. Finally, the NGP provides a superior gameplay experience... to what? Smartphones? So does the 3DS! So is it superior to the 3DS? No, we have no way of knowing. I'm just saying, people's collective memories seem to be very short. This seems to be a scene by scene repeat of 2004, where everybody was proclaiming the PSP to be the winner, and the DS to be dead, and look how that turned out. Seriously, guys... never underestimate Nintendo in the handheld market.

but NGP do more than 3DS can in term of gaming AND multi device like dual analog stick and multitouch screen.

entire reason why DS sell more than PSP is becouse the price. now 3DS is on 249 and if rumor indicate NGP will on 299-249.

What is it that the NGP can do that the 3DS cannot, in terms of multimedia? They can both do the exact same things... The DS sold more than the PSP BECAUSE OF THE GAMES. IT HAD BETTER GAMES SO IT SOLD MORE. Seriously, get this into your heads, people! And if the rumored NGP specs are true, then there is no way Sony can sell it for $299, let alone $249.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]If the 3DS is affected by smartphones, then the NGP will too. Like I have said numerous times, we should not expect any handheld to replicate the success of the DS again, the market has changed too much for that. However, I do think that PSP to GBA levels of cumulative sales (that is, 60-85 million units sold) is about right, and that is what I expect the 3DS to hit, once the games start rolling in. Luckily for us, and for Nintendo, the games start rolling in this month.r12qi

nope smartphone generally effected 3DS demographic (which is casual market)

asphalt 3D $40 (3DS)

3d

asphalt 6 $5 (smartphone)

6

guess which one more apealing

yes you can say this game suck and 3Ds have better game like MGS3D. but if you hardcore non nintendo fanboy gamer. which one do you think more apealling. 3DS or NGP?

That's a perfect argument.

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Superior graphics and hardware capabilities. Other than 3D and Mario Bros there's not much the 3DS can do that smartphones can't while the NGP will at least have the technical prowess to offer a superior gaming experience. Just saying. MrSelf-Destruct

People were bragging about the very same thing right before the ps3 launched, and look how well it went for sony. In top of that, they will not only have to deal with a razed market, but they also need to set an affordable price, and if the hardware specs are anything to go by that's not going to be an easy task.

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The system isn't selling in Japan?

I agree with some of the points the tc has made, but others not so much. One point that was missed is that Japan is BIG on portable games. Big as in it is not uncommon to see a plethora of people playing games on a train. It is certainly possible that people find that a train ride hinders the experience of 3d on the 3ds--which is a very logical point, one that I didn't think of when buying mine.

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[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] If I'm a non Nintendo fanboy unbiased hardcore gamer, then which system is more interesting depends ONLY ON THE GAMES ANNOUNCED FOR THE SYSTEM. Right now, the 3DS has more first party AND third party support than the NGP. If you're only about the tech of a system (which is rumored to be downgraded in the NGP anyway), then yeah, go for the NGP. However, if games are what you go by, then as of right now, the 3DS still remains the more appealing option.

Also, the 3DS does not appeal ONLY to the casual market. It ALSO appeals to the casual market, but like the DS< it also appeals to the core market.

charizard1605

DS appeals to the core market ?!! may be if you mean it's as appealing as the Wii to the core market, then yeah.

Please. Comparing the Wii to the DS is just one of the most ignorant things I have ever read. Have you seen the DS's library and the sheer number of quality games, first party AND third party, that it got? Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver, Pokemon Black/White, Dragon Quest IV, Dragon Quest V, Dragon Quest VI, Dragon Quest IX, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2, Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings, Final Fantasy: 4 Warriors of Light, Advance Wars: Dual Strike, Advance Wars: Day of Ruin, The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks, Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time, Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, New Super Mario Bros., Metroid Prime: Hunters, Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin, Castlevania: Order of Eclescia, Professor Layton and the Curious Village, Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box, Professor Layton and the Unwound Future, Mario Kart DS, Contra 4, Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars, Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword, The World Ends With You, Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor, Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey, Okamiden, Golden Sun: Dark Dawn, Scribblenauts, Super Scribblenauts, Ghost Trick, Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, Call of Duty: World at War, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare: Mobilized, Call of Duty: Black Ops, Dementium: The Ward, Dementium 2, Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon, Elite Beat Agents, Kirby's Canvas Curse... Seriously, what are you even talking about?

I am talking about what you were talking about in the post before this, hardcore ..... I know the titles, most of these are barely hardcore, they are just either remakes, watered down console games, or kiddy JRPGs, mario, pokemon, all in poor gfx.....etc, you apparantly are too casual to see the difference between the two kinds.

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Why wasn't 'everything i own was obliterated by a tsunami, i don't have money spare for a 3DS' on that list?
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There are only two crucial reasons: 1. lack of good software 2. fukushima
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I am talking about what you were talking about in the post before this, hardcore ..... I know the titles, most of these are barely hardcore, they are just either remakes, watered down console games, or kiddy JRPGs, mario, pokemon, all in poor gfx.....etc, you apparantly are too casual to see the difference between the two kinds.

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If games like Castlevania, Contra, Professor Layton, Dragon Quest IX, Final Fantasy IV, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun... these are all casual, watered down, or kiddy JRPGs? Really? Poor graphics? :lol: You clearly have no idea what you are taking about. Or maybe your definition of hardcore games means that there has to be hyper realistic blood, gore, swearing, cursing and sex in a game. Yeah. In that case, maybe I shouldn't be having this discussion with you, since you're too much of a casual gamer to understand the difference.
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I would of thought limited number of quality games would of made the list.
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[QUOTE="omho88"]

I am talking about what you were talking about in the post before this, hardcore ..... I know the titles, most of these are barely hardcore, they are just either remakes, watered down console games, or kiddy JRPGs, mario, pokemon, all in poor gfx.....etc, you apparantly are too casual to see the difference between the two kinds.

charizard1605

If games like Castlevania, Contra, Professor Layton, Dragon Quest IX, Final Fantasy IV, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun... these are all casual, watered down, or kiddy JRPGs? Really? Poor graphics? :lol: You clearly have no idea what you are taking about. Or maybe your definition of hardcore games means that there has to be hyper realistic blood, gore, swearing, cursing and sex in a game. Yeah. In that case, maybe I shouldn't be having this discussion with you, since you're too much of a casual gamer to understand the difference.

I like the 3DS, but he's somewhat right. We are still yet to see a really advanced game, graphically, on the 3DS. When smartPHONES are competing with a dedicated gaming machine graphically, that can be a problem to some. It's fair for someone to think that as well. Personally I'm fine with the graphics of the 3DS, but it is a fact that people like to see a marked improvement. Sure, the 3ds is a big step up from the DS, but the ds is such an old system that the 3ds should almost be compared to smartphones--as it is a rather new platform for games that arrived after the ds.

The positive side of this "lack of graphics" on the 3ds is that it leads me to believe nintendo still knows how to win in the portable market, which is ultimately the games. I expect some real killer apps that put the smartphone market to shame. Nintendo does have the best game designers in the world, afterall. People can throw $1 this and $5 that, but the fact of the matter is most of those games are utter garbage. And if they weren't those people would be working at companies like Nintendo, selling their work for more money.

As far as NGP goes, I'm starting to dig the machine. It reminds me of a cross between a tablet and a game machine. I do think sony made a big mistake in the size of the system, though. With a screen of 5inches, its a little too big. At that point they should have made it 7inches so that tablet browsing would be more efficient.

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High price point, lack of games, TSUNAMI

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13. But the DS couldn't play GameBoy games either...
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21- Lacks good games Those are all fair points.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="omho88"]

I am talking about what you were talking about in the post before this, hardcore ..... I know the titles, most of these are barely hardcore, they are just either remakes, watered down console games, or kiddy JRPGs, mario, pokemon, all in poor gfx.....etc, you apparantly are too casual to see the difference between the two kinds.

Heirren

If games like Castlevania, Contra, Professor Layton, Dragon Quest IX, Final Fantasy IV, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun... these are all casual, watered down, or kiddy JRPGs? Really? Poor graphics? :lol: You clearly have no idea what you are taking about. Or maybe your definition of hardcore games means that there has to be hyper realistic blood, gore, swearing, cursing and sex in a game. Yeah. In that case, maybe I shouldn't be having this discussion with you, since you're too much of a casual gamer to understand the difference.

I like the 3DS, but he's somewhat right. We are still yet to see a really advanced game, graphically, on the 3DS. When smartPHONES are competing with a dedicated gaming machine graphically, that can be a problem to some. It's fair for someone to think that as well. Personally I'm fine with the graphics of the 3DS, but it is a fact that people like to see a marked improvement. Sure, the 3ds is a big step up from the DS, but the ds is such an old system that the 3ds should almost be compared to smartphones--as it is a rather new platform for games that arrived after the ds.

The positive side of this "lack of graphics" on the 3ds is that it leads me to believe nintendo still knows how to win in the portable market, which is ultimately the games. I expect some real killer apps that put the smartphone market to shame. Nintendo does have the best game designers in the world, afterall. People can throw $1 this and $5 that, but the fact of the matter is most of those games are utter garbage. And if they weren't those people would be working at companies like Nintendo, selling their work for more money.

As far as NGP goes, I'm starting to dig the machine. It reminds me of a cross between a tablet and a game machine. I do think sony made a big mistake in the size of the system, though. With a screen of 5inches, its a little too big. At that point they should have made it 7inches so that tablet browsing would be more efficient.

He's talking about the DS, so I fail to see how he is right at all. And I'm looking forward to the NGP too... but what I don't like is how people are just brushing the 3DS aside. As for a really graphically advanced game on the 3DS? Resident Evil: Mercenaries? Resident Evil: Revelations? Metal Gear Solid 3D? Beyond the Labyrinthe? Nano Assault? Kid Icarus Uprising?
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[QUOTE="omho88"]

I am talking about what you were talking about in the post before this, hardcore ..... I know the titles, most of these are barely hardcore, they are just either remakes, watered down console games, or kiddy JRPGs, mario, pokemon, all in poor gfx.....etc, you apparantly are too casual to see the difference between the two kinds.

charizard1605

If games like Castlevania, Contra, Professor Layton, Dragon Quest IX, Final Fantasy IV, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun... these are all casual, watered down, or kiddy JRPGs? Really? Poor graphics? :lol: You clearly have no idea what you are taking about. Or maybe your definition of hardcore games means that there has to be hyper realistic blood, gore, swearing, cursing and sex in a game. Yeah. In that case, maybe I shouldn't be having this discussion with you, since you're too much of a casual gamer to understand the difference.

I didn't know there was a universal definition for hardcore gaming, but yeah, blood and gore can be a part of it...... anyway as far as I am concerned, the games you mentioned aren't it ....... and I find it funny that you lol'd at the poor gfx comment .... makes me wonder if you have anything but a DS or may be a Wii.

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[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] If games like Castlevania, Contra, Professor Layton, Dragon Quest IX, Final Fantasy IV, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun... these are all casual, watered down, or kiddy JRPGs? Really? Poor graphics? :lol: You clearly have no idea what you are taking about. Or maybe your definition of hardcore games means that there has to be hyper realistic blood, gore, swearing, cursing and sex in a game. Yeah. In that case, maybe I shouldn't be having this discussion with you, since you're too much of a casual gamer to understand the difference.charizard1605

I like the 3DS, but he's somewhat right. We are still yet to see a really advanced game, graphically, on the 3DS. When smartPHONES are competing with a dedicated gaming machine graphically, that can be a problem to some. It's fair for someone to think that as well. Personally I'm fine with the graphics of the 3DS, but it is a fact that people like to see a marked improvement. Sure, the 3ds is a big step up from the DS, but the ds is such an old system that the 3ds should almost be compared to smartphones--as it is a rather new platform for games that arrived after the ds.

The positive side of this "lack of graphics" on the 3ds is that it leads me to believe nintendo still knows how to win in the portable market, which is ultimately the games. I expect some real killer apps that put the smartphone market to shame. Nintendo does have the best game designers in the world, afterall. People can throw $1 this and $5 that, but the fact of the matter is most of those games are utter garbage. And if they weren't those people would be working at companies like Nintendo, selling their work for more money.

As far as NGP goes, I'm starting to dig the machine. It reminds me of a cross between a tablet and a game machine. I do think sony made a big mistake in the size of the system, though. With a screen of 5inches, its a little too big. At that point they should have made it 7inches so that tablet browsing would be more efficient.

He's talking about the DS, so I fail to see how he is right at all. And I'm looking forward to the NGP too... but what I don't like is how people are just brushing the 3DS aside. As for a really graphically advanced game on the 3DS? Resident Evil: Mercenaries? Resident Evil: Revelations? Metal Gear Solid 3D? Beyond the Labyrinthe? Nano Assault? Kid Icarus Uprising?

Sorry, I missed the DS part:).

I own a 3DS, but I can understand the frustration people are having with the system. Most of the initial games shown, those that people got excited about A YEAR AGO at E3, are still not available, the eSHOP is still a no show, and all the games you mentioned are not in the hands of the consumer to judge. I'm on your side as far as having faith in nintendo with the 3ds, but I can also relate to peoples frustration with the 3ds as well. I'm actually a little worried that Nintendo rushed the system out, realized they made some launch mistakes, and then will proceed to rush out games that otherwise wouldn't be pushed to shelves.

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13. But the DS couldn't play GameBoy games either...ThePlothole
That and there is soon going to be a GameBoy Virtual Console. :|

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

I like the 3DS, but he's somewhat right. We are still yet to see a really advanced game, graphically, on the 3DS. When smartPHONES are competing with a dedicated gaming machine graphically, that can be a problem to some. It's fair for someone to think that as well. Personally I'm fine with the graphics of the 3DS, but it is a fact that people like to see a marked improvement. Sure, the 3ds is a big step up from the DS, but the ds is such an old system that the 3ds should almost be compared to smartphones--as it is a rather new platform for games that arrived after the ds.

The positive side of this "lack of graphics" on the 3ds is that it leads me to believe nintendo still knows how to win in the portable market, which is ultimately the games. I expect some real killer apps that put the smartphone market to shame. Nintendo does have the best game designers in the world, afterall. People can throw $1 this and $5 that, but the fact of the matter is most of those games are utter garbage. And if they weren't those people would be working at companies like Nintendo, selling their work for more money.

As far as NGP goes, I'm starting to dig the machine. It reminds me of a cross between a tablet and a game machine. I do think sony made a big mistake in the size of the system, though. With a screen of 5inches, its a little too big. At that point they should have made it 7inches so that tablet browsing would be more efficient.

Heirren

He's talking about the DS, so I fail to see how he is right at all. And I'm looking forward to the NGP too... but what I don't like is how people are just brushing the 3DS aside. As for a really graphically advanced game on the 3DS? Resident Evil: Mercenaries? Resident Evil: Revelations? Metal Gear Solid 3D? Beyond the Labyrinthe? Nano Assault? Kid Icarus Uprising?

Sorry, I missed the DS part:).

I own a 3DS, but I can understand the frustration people are having with the system. Most of the initial games shown, those that people got excited about A YEAR AGO at E3, are still not available, the eSHOP is still a no show, and all the games you mentioned are not in the hands of the consumer to judge. I'm on your side as far as having faith in nintendo with the 3ds, but I can also relate to peoples frustration with the 3ds as well. I'm actually a little worried that Nintendo rushed the system out, realized they made some launch mistakes, and then will proceed to rush out games that otherwise wouldn't be pushed to shelves.

Oh yes, the system was rushed to launch. A poor launch lineup, key features not ready at launch, an empty launch slate until two MONTHS AFTER the launch... they really should have launched this in August-September.

Thankfully, things seem to be looking up. The eShop+Browser go online in five days, games have already started to trikle in (with more lined up for release this year), and on the whole, the outlook is good.

People need to remember that this is how it was with the DS too... it had no games for the first year and a half, it was consistently being outsold by the PSP, it's library was barren... and look how that turned out. In fact, even the PS3 went through something similar for its first two years on the market. Today, the PS3 is awesome.

All I'm saying is, at least give the system some time before you rush out and proclaim it a failure. But then, for some reason, critics have always been more tha eager to pounce on Nintendo's hardware and pronounce it a failure.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="omho88"]

I am talking about what you were talking about in the post before this, hardcore ..... I know the titles, most of these are barely hardcore, they are just either remakes, watered down console games, or kiddy JRPGs, mario, pokemon, all in poor gfx.....etc, you apparantly are too casual to see the difference between the two kinds.

omho88

If games like Castlevania, Contra, Professor Layton, Dragon Quest IX, Final Fantasy IV, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun... these are all casual, watered down, or kiddy JRPGs? Really? Poor graphics? :lol: You clearly have no idea what you are taking about. Or maybe your definition of hardcore games means that there has to be hyper realistic blood, gore, swearing, cursing and sex in a game. Yeah. In that case, maybe I shouldn't be having this discussion with you, since you're too much of a casual gamer to understand the difference.

I didn't know there was a universal definition for hardcore gaming, but yeah, blood and gore can be a part of it...... anyway as far as I am concerned, the games you mentioned aren't it ....... and I find it funny that you lol'd at the poor gfx comment .... makes me wonder if you have anything but a DS or may be a Wii.

What IN BLUE BLAZES do you think hardcore means?!!?!? You apparently are going by some made up definition that no one but yourself uses. If you don't think Castlevania and Contra are hardcore you are insane.

Wait a minute... I just fell for your trolling didn't I?

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sales will obviously pick up once the games come in...

Remember the ds? It had the same problems with launch titles...

Now look how well the ds has done

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10,11,12,13,17

Are all dumb reasons. 2. also strikes me since after a while DS/DSi will not being getting anymore titles. A short while.

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Well after it's all said and done, it's just an advanced DS with no real point of shelling out $250 for it. The biggest upcoming games for the system are remakes, the battery life is poor, the 3D has been coming off as a gimmik, it's kind of large (will also be a problem for the NGP), it has to compete against cheap cell-phone games, and when it's all said and done, the game outlook for the whole thing isn't the greatest.

The GBA did extremely well because it was a good graphical update to the GBC, but really it had excellent battery life, was nice and portable, and had a lot of good games quickly after launch. The DS was also a great sequel as it brought 3D graphics to the system and a unique dual-screen/touch screen component that made it super portable. The 3DS is coming off as a bulky, expensive DS with a gimmik.

Seriously with the rise of Android and iPhones the 3DS and the upcoming NGP are going to really have a tough time. NGP will really suffer since their target market seems to be going after people with these smart phones. They'll need to open the platform and allow custom apps and whatnot if they want to stand a chance. At least Nintendo has the kid market, but parent's aren't going to just shell out $250 bucks for something that is easily broken in the hands of kids. Remember, this isn't a gaming console, this thing is literally in the hands of the kids. I wouldn't give my kids a $250 toy that is easily broken.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="r12qi"]

personal comment: looking at the option like "Satisfied by cell phone and smartphone games" "It's heavy and I don't feel like carrying it with me". it obvious that smarthphone gaming is effected greatly on 3DS demographic

bytheway the survey seem aim at casual crowd at the start (more female).

NGP obviously low becouse we had yet see many thing about it like price and game

MrSelf-Destruct

If the 3DS is affected by smartphones, then the NGP will too. Like I have said numerous times, we should not expect any handheld to replicate the success of the DS again, the market has changed too much for that. However, I do think that PSP to GBA levels of cumulative sales (that is, 60-85 million units sold) is about right, and that is what I expect the 3DS to hit, once the games start rolling in. Luckily for us, and for Nintendo, the games start rolling in this month.

I think you're right to a certain degree, but the NGP will be offering something that a lot more people are interested in besides 3D: Superior graphics and hardware capabilities. Other than 3D and Mario Bros there's not much the 3DS can do that smartphones can't while the NGP will at least have the technical prowess to offer a superior gaming experience. Just saying.

That didn't help Sony in the last race, and that's not going to help them on NGP either. Sony doesn't know handhelds, period. They think that the key to succcess on a handheld is taking your current gen tech and folding it down into a handheld and that will get enough people. People who will pick up handhelds are looking for little dinky games to play on the go and not full on console experiences in their hand. I have a PSP which I don't play much, and i don't buy the more complex games for, because things like God of War, Daxter, and Resistance suit the home console better. Not on the go gaming sessions. I don't need power in a handheld, not so much that it rivals my home console, and I don't need full on games.

That's how Nintendo dominated the market for decades now, they know that he key to something as low maintenence as a handheld isn't to try and jam so much power into it that you can rival the home console market, it's to deliver these little games that can be played on the go and you can probably beat on the go. This is why DS was succesful, because with games like NSMB and Mario Kart DS, they're made around the notion that you want a quick game to play. Mario Kart DS is a simple, pick a Racing Cup, play four races that take about a minute or two to complete and will be done by the end of my bus ride, train ride, car ride, or sitting in the doctor's office or DMV. On a handheld I don't want full on Drake, Killzone, Halo, or something like that, I don't even want the lastest Zelda with the latest tech on their unless it's built around a handheld lile Spirit Tracks. Imagine if Skyward Sword was on a handheld, I would not pick it up. Ocarina, a game that's over ten years old now is an example of how to let something sit around and then bring it back and tailor it around a hanheld, it's not so big anymore and is good for a handheld.

This is why Nintendo always stays a notch back in power for their handhelds. Gamesboy = NES, Gameboy Advance = SNES, DS = N64, 3DS = Gamecube.

Sony goes right for jamming current power of a home console dumbed down into a handheld, PSP = PS2(dumbed down), NGP = a dumbed down PS3.

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.. To me my problem with the 3ds is the price.. And the fact that this price seems to be boosted all around the 3d feature.. Which looks ok, but hardly is something ground breaking.. To me I would rather just buy a cheaper version of the system with out the 3d but with the same kind of hardware power and capabilities.
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Will people also stop with this hardcore crap. It's nothing but the Blast Processing and Extreme of the 21st century/naughts. A buzz word created by gaming journalist to make themselves and PS3 and 360 gamers feel like big boys. Hardcore is not what you play, it's how you play. And if you ask me Super Mario Galaxy 2 is way more difficult than some linear shooter on the Xbox 360. Stop falling for some lame marketing ploy to make you feel better than what you actually are.

Again, Hardcore is not what you play it's how you play, playing Gears, GTA, Call Of Duty, or and of the guns and blows grim-dark titles today don't make you a hardcore gamer at all. It's your knowledge of gaming, how much time and how much you play. Not "Duur I play CoD, is I hardcore?"

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Will people also stop with this hardcore crap. It's nothing but the Blast Processing and Extreme of the 21st century/naughts. A buzz word created by gaming journalist to make themselves and PS3 and 360 gamers feel like big boys. Hardcore is not what you play, it's how you play. And if you ask me Super Mario Galaxy 2 is way more difficult than some linear shooter on the Xbox 360. Stop falling for some lame marketing ploy to make you feel better than what you actually are.

Again, Hardcore is not what you play it's how you play, playing Gears, GTA, Call Of Duty, or and of the guns and blows grim-dark titles today don't make you a hardcore gamer at all. It's your knowledge of gaming, how much time and how much you play. Not "Duur I play CoD, is I hardcore?"

DazedDarkness
But gears of war has a "hardcore mode" haha.