2008 a software sales slump for the wii..? think differently

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3854/npd_behind_the_numbers_october_.php

As the Wii dominates in hardware sales, so it also dominates in software, with an estimated 38 million units of software in the first 10 months of the year. In other words, Nintendo has sold over 2.5 times as much Wii software this year as it did during the same period in 2007. 

SSBB and Mario Kart Wii on the first places (but but but :cry: :cry: :cry: the Wii only sells shovelware :cry: )

GTAIV - expected.

Wii Fit - expected

Wii Play - eh... thank the WiiMote, I guess. 

Now compare 3rd party sales....Kratos_OMEGA

Why? 

Now compare 3rd party sales....Kratos_OMEGA

"I actually think that given the number of comments made from industry executives at E3 (or thereabouts) about how they didn't put enough resources against development of Wii games that the industry has realized that the old adage of 'only first-party games sell on Nintendo systems' is absolutely incorrect. I think you're right that the data will cause a few eyebrows to lift." - NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier

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This is 360/PS3 wars, not system wars.

This is 360/PS3 wars, not system wars.

-General_Ram-

[QUOTE="Kratos_OMEGA"]Now compare 3rd party sales....HarlockJC

"I actually think that given the number of comments made from industry executives at E3 (or thereabouts) about how they didn't put enough resources against development of Wii games that the industry has realized that the old adage of 'only first-party games sell on Nintendo systems' is absolutely incorrect. I think you're right that the data will cause a few eyebrows to lift." - NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier

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I just want to draw people attention to the fact that after 12 months, 3rd party sales for the Wii skyrocketed.

Nobody is contesting that the Wii is a sales machine.

People ARE saying it has a very low quality of games. Anytime anyone brings up the fact that the Wii is in a serious quality slump a Nintendo fanboy will ramble on and on about sales, even though no one was talking about them.

No one disputes the Wii sells the most. They say it has the worst library.

Only Nintendo can sell a console without producing games for it.

Yes I have a Wii, No I didn't buy any games for it this year. Go Nintendo.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Kratos_OMEGA"]Now compare 3rd party sales....Tylendal

"I actually think that given the number of comments made from industry executives at E3 (or thereabouts) about how they didn't put enough resources against development of Wii games that the industry has realized that the old adage of 'only first-party games sell on Nintendo systems' is absolutely incorrect. I think you're right that the data will cause a few eyebrows to lift." - NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier

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I just want to draw people attention to the fact that after 12 months, 3rd party sales for the Wii skyrocketed.

It's probably because of the Game Party/Cruisin' bundle at Gamestop. It's a fifty-dollar value! Slam dunk, baby!

[QUOTE="Kratos_OMEGA"]Now compare 3rd party sales....HarlockJC

"I actually think that given the number of comments made from industry executives at E3 (or thereabouts) about how they didn't put enough resources against development of Wii games that the industry has realized that the old adage of 'only first-party games sell on Nintendo systems' is absolutely incorrect. I think you're right that the data will cause a few eyebrows to lift." - NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier

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Indeed.

I thought GTA sold 3.2 Million on day one alone. It never sold a single copy after that?Mau-Justice

His numbers are from NPD not the world 

Nobody is contesting that the Wii is a sales machine.

People ARE saying it has a very low quality of games. Anytime anyone brings up the fact that the Wii is in a serious quality slump a Nintendo fanboy will ramble on and on about sales, even though no one was talking about them.

No one disputes the Wii sells the most. They say it has the worst library.

RuprechtMonkey

In reality, the fact that the Wii is selling so much software must mean that it is providing something to those that choose to buy it. The fact of the matter is, the Wii offers many games that the 360 and PS3 don't, as well as a bigger variety in genres outside of the big gaming areas of shooters, sports, and racers. Different does not = worse.

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Nobody is contesting that the Wii is a sales machine.

People ARE saying it has a very low quality of games. Anytime anyone brings up the fact that the Wii is in a serious quality slump a Nintendo fanboy will ramble on and on about sales, even though no one was talking about them.

No one disputes the Wii sells the most. They say it has the worst library.

shadowcat2576

Only Nintendo can sell a console without producing games for it.

Yes I have a Wii, No I didn't buy any games for it this year. Go Nintendo.

Mau-Justice

[QUOTE="shadowcat2576"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Nobody is contesting that the Wii is a sales machine.

People ARE saying it has a very low quality of games. Anytime anyone brings up the fact that the Wii is in a serious quality slump a Nintendo fanboy will ramble on and on about sales, even though no one was talking about them.

No one disputes the Wii sells the most. They say it has the worst library.

RuinedMachine

It all comes down to opinion so for some yes for others no.

There is a reason why a movie or song is most popular.

[QUOTE="Mau-Justice"]

Only Nintendo can sell a console without producing games for it.

Yes I have a Wii, No I didn't buy any games for it this year. Go Nintendo.

shadowcat2576

Yet its the same few games made by the same company

Third-party must be loving Nintenod getting all the sales

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"][QUOTE="shadowcat2576"] This is where the makebelieve world or System Wars and the Real World run into problems. In the real world, most people would say that the games that are selling the most must be the best because that's what people are buying and enjoying.

HarlockJC

It all comes down to opinion so for some yes for others no.

There is a reason why a movie or song is most popular.

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Nobody is contesting that the Wii is a sales machine.

People ARE saying it has a very low quality of games. Anytime anyone brings up the fact that the Wii is in a serious quality slump a Nintendo fanboy will ramble on and on about sales, even though no one was talking about them.

No one disputes the Wii sells the most. They say it has the worst library.

shadowcat2576

In reality, the fact that the Wii is selling so much software must mean that it is providing something to those that choose to buy it. The fact of the matter is, the Wii offers many games that the 360 and PS3 don't, as well as a bigger variety in genres outside of the big gaming areas of shooters, sports, and racers. Different does not = worse.

So in the real world 50 Cent Bulletproof was one of the best games of previous generation?

The truth is a huge portion of the Wii's demographic are "non-gamers" (people who didn't play games prior to the release of the Wii. They are highly swayed by marketing. In reality, they sell despite their poor quality, not because of it.

There's a reason so many Wii games are reviewed so poorly. Or, you can just continue to ignore it.

I will raise my eyebrow indeed...and then say

how the **** is wii software sales for 3rd party so high and the support so atrocious? Maybe i'm missing something here...are there games secretly sellign not in the chartS? al i see is 1st party stuff selling..wii fit, wiiplay and mario games in every chart. 

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]


So in the real world the most popular movies and songs are the best? I didn't know that... Neither do the music and movie critics and awards... Strange.RuinedMachine

It all comes down to opinion so for some yes for others no.

There is a reason why a movie or song is most popular.

Yeah because where I live even though Star Wars and Beatles are popular they are both still good.

[QUOTE="Kratos_OMEGA"]Now compare 3rd party sales....HarlockJC

"I actually think that given the number of comments made from industry executives at E3 (or thereabouts) about how they didn't put enough resources against development of Wii games that the industry has realized that the old adage of 'only first-party games sell on Nintendo systems' is absolutely incorrect. I think you're right that the data will cause a few eyebrows to lift." - NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier

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Seriously, this has been debunked countlesss times

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

It all comes down to opinion so for some yes for others no.

There is a reason why a movie or song is most popular.

 

HarlockJC

Yeah because where I live even though Star Wars and Beatles are popular they are both still good.

what marketing? i dont know about you all, but i havent seen a new wii system commercial in months. meanwhile, i see one of those creepy 360 ads with the people with holes in their heads or a ps3 ad every other day. and the game commercials? the only ones ive seen lately are for.....that star wars lightsaber game and carnival games minigolf. out of all the games on the wii, only a handful really get commercials, half of which dont even sell that well.redmetal86

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

It all comes down to opinion so for some yes for others no.

There is a reason why a movie or song is most popular.

HarlockJC

Yeah because where I live even though Star Wars and Beatles are popular they are both still good.

Who said being popular automatically equates to a lack of quality?

Beatles, popular, good. yep. Jonas Brothers, very popular, very bad.

The Wii has so many poor games that are big sellers, a few of them are both great and good sellers (Galaxy, etc.)

The Wii simply has a lower quality library. This generation has made it perfectly clear that non-gamers will be almost anything given the proper marketing.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]


lol you live in a world where marketing doesn't exist.

 

RuinedMachine

Yeah because where I live even though Star Wars and Beatles are popular they are both still good.

I love how you try to narrow down things to fit your point of view. I am too old to care about what is big now. When I was in high school Korn, Metallica, Guns and Rose and MegaDeath were big. I don't stay with what current most people do not. Recent movie Transformers, Spider-Ma, Batman and Iron Man have all been big movies. All of which are great movies.

[QUOTE="shadowcat2576"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Nobody is contesting that the Wii is a sales machine.

People ARE saying it has a very low quality of games. Anytime anyone brings up the fact that the Wii is in a serious quality slump a Nintendo fanboy will ramble on and on about sales, even though no one was talking about them.

No one disputes the Wii sells the most. They say it has the worst library.

RuprechtMonkey

In reality, the fact that the Wii is selling so much software must mean that it is providing something to those that choose to buy it. The fact of the matter is, the Wii offers many games that the 360 and PS3 don't, as well as a bigger variety in genres outside of the big gaming areas of shooters, sports, and racers. Different does not = worse.

So in the real world 50 Cent Bulletproof was one of the best games of previous generation?

The truth is a huge portion of the Wii's demographic are "non-gamers" (people who didn't play games prior to the release of the Wii. They are highly swayed by marketing. In reality, they sell despite their poor quality, not because of it.

There's a reason so many Wii games are reviewed so poorly. Or, you can just continue to ignore it.

[QUOTE="redmetal86"]what marketing? i dont know about you all, but i havent seen a new wii system commercial in months. meanwhile, i see one of those creepy 360 ads with the people with holes in their heads or a ps3 ad every other day. and the game commercials? the only ones ive seen lately are for.....that star wars lightsaber game and carnival games minigolf. out of all the games on the wii, only a handful really get commercials, half of which dont even sell that well.FirstDiscovery

and how will the non gamers see this image if there arent many commericals for it? 

[QUOTE="redmetal86"]what marketing? i dont know about you all, but i havent seen a new wii system commercial in months. meanwhile, i see one of those creepy 360 ads with the people with holes in their heads or a ps3 ad every other day. and the game commercials? the only ones ive seen lately are for.....that star wars lightsaber game and carnival games minigolf. out of all the games on the wii, only a handful really get commercials, half of which dont even sell that well.FirstDiscovery

Again if they are playing and buying games they are not non-gamers.... 

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

 

Yeah because where I live even though Star Wars and Beatles are popular they are both still good.

 

HarlockJC

I love how you try to narrow down things to fit your point of view. I am too old to care about what is big now. When I was in high school Korn, Metallica, Guns and Rose and MegaDeath were big. I don't stay with what current most people do not. Recent movie Transformers, Spider-Ma, Batman and Iron Man have all been big movies. All of which are great movies.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]

Beatles are good, yes. They have also been dead for a long time now. What's popular now?

Recent Star Wars is good? lol okRuinedMachine

I love how you try to narrow down things to fit your point of view. I am too old to care about what is big now. When I was in high school Korn, Metallica, Guns and Rose and MegaDeath were big. I don't stay with what current most people do not. Recent movie Transformers, Spider-Ma, Batman and Iron Man have all been big movies. All of which are great movies.

So you pick out one thing out of my list and say it was not good. Then say I have bad taste. I am sure many people here would agree that Transformers was a good movie also.

Nobody is contesting that the Wii is a sales machine.

People ARE saying it has a very low quality of games. Anytime anyone brings up the fact that the Wii is in a serious quality slump a Nintendo fanboy will ramble on and on about sales, even though no one was talking about them.

No one disputes the Wii sells the most. They say it has the worst library.

RuprechtMonkey

oh teh noes mario galaxy teh worst game eva 

no library ever is remotely as bad as the PS3 lineup 

[QUOTE="RuinedMachine"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

 

I love how you try to narrow down things to fit your point of view. I am too old to care about what is big now. When I was in high school Korn, Metallica, Guns and Rose and MegaDeath were big. I don't stay with what current most people do not. Recent movie Transformers, Spider-Ma, Batman and Iron Man have all been big movies. All of which are great movies.

 

HarlockJC

So you pick out one thing out of my list and say it was not good. Then say I have bad taste. I am sure many people here would agree that Transformers was a good movie also.

That whole list is pretty lukewarm when you have so many movies to chose from to define what a great movie is. Do you watch any non superhero movies?

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="RuinedMachine"]


Transformers was a great movie?


Maybe you just have bad taste afterall...RuinedMachine

So you pick out one thing out of my list and say it was not good. Then say I have bad taste. I am sure many people here would agree that Transformers was a good movie also.

That whole list is pretty lukewarm when you have so many movies to chose from to define what a great movie is. Do you watch any non superhero movies?

Yes.....Sci-Fi, Anime, History and Science shows

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Kratos_OMEGA"]Now compare 3rd party sales....FirstDiscovery

"I actually think that given the number of comments made from industry executives at E3 (or thereabouts) about how they didn't put enough resources against development of Wii games that the industry has realized that the old adage of 'only first-party games sell on Nintendo systems' is absolutely incorrect. I think you're right that the data will cause a few eyebrows to lift." - NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier

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Seriously, this has been debunked countlesss times

How was it debunked?  How can you debunk facts?  So because it was the first 19 months it means that those sales don't count?  

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

 

 

anything that makes the wii look good is debunked 

"I actually think that given the number of comments made from industry executives at E3 (or thereabouts) about how they didn't put enough resources against development of Wii games that the industry has realized that the old adage of 'only first-party games sell on Nintendo systems' is absolutely incorrect. I think you're right that the data will cause a few eyebrows to lift." - NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier

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Zhengi

Seriously, this has been debunked countlesss times

How was it debunked?  How can you debunk facts?  So because it was the first 19 months it means that those sales don't count?  

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

"I actually think that given the number of comments made from industry executives at E3 (or thereabouts) about how they didn't put enough resources against development of Wii games that the industry has realized that the old adage of 'only first-party games sell on Nintendo systems' is absolutely incorrect. I think you're right that the data will cause a few eyebrows to lift." - NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier

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Zhengi

Seriously, this has been debunked countlesss times

How was it debunked? How can you debunk facts? So because it was the first 19 months it means that those sales don't count?

i was in that so called debunked thread where thats all that was going all people that did not know how to read a chart

it does not count to those that dont know how to read a chart because they think it trys to "trick" people in to thinking the 360 has been out as long as the other systems

 

i was in that so called debunked thread where thats all that was going all people that did not know how to read a chart

surrealnumber5

What people don't realize that charts that show total preformance aren't that meaningful.  It's the ones like this, that show how things preformed in a comparable time period.

This thread is quite useful for people like -Mad_Rhetoric-. It would prevent posts such as the following:

how is that surprising, 3rd party software sells terribly in wii

the 360 sells the most software 

-Mad_Rhetoric-

This thread is quite useful for people like -Mad_Rhetoric-. It would prevent posts such as the following:

[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]

how is that surprising, 3rd party software sells terribly in wii

the 360 sells the most software

Hexagon_777

i dont know why any one would make a game for the ps3 where it cost the most and will sell the least but i guess thats why business go under.. for being bad at their jobs

here is the probable source of the perception problem of wii sales

most of the wii games sell on the lower chart no.s and not in the top 10..

that means the titles sell slower.. but not necessarily less because the 360 or PS3 software usually dissapears from the top 10 after 1 month