3 reasons Dragons Dogma is a triumph of design over Skyrim

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#1 ispeakfact
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Article

The guy pretty much hits the nail on the head ( Before the hate, and jelly comes :cool:, I have both games, hundreds of hours in both, and platinumed Skyrim on PS3)

He goes into good detail on the 3 main reasons, but the biggest reason, and this is still something Bethesda just can't seem to get right, is the fighting/gameplay.

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#2 platniumgamer
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can't play skyrim on ps3... resorted to playing dragons dogma. :P

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#3 tenaka2
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Article

The guy pretty much hits the nail on the head ( Before the hate, and jelly comes :cool:, I have both games, hundreds of hours in both, and platinumed Skyrim on PS3)

He goes into good detail on the 3 main reasons, but the biggest reason, and this is still something Bethesda just can't seem to get right, is the fighting/gameplay.

ispeakfact

Did you make this thread because skyrim is crap on the PS3?

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#4 freedomfreak
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My major complaint is no fast travel. The world also lacks the charm Skyrim has. The combat is great though. Taking on monsters is very exciting.
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#5 glez13
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The problem with Dragon's Dogma is that it is full of what are apparently good ideas and concepts but hardly any of them is well implemented.

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#6 silversix_
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Had fun playing DD for 327 hours and i couldn't stand Skyrim after 100h. DD is a better game.
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#7 ispeakfact
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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]

Article

The guy pretty much hits the nail on the head ( Before the hate, and jelly comes :cool:, I have both games, hundreds of hours in both, and platinumed Skyrim on PS3)

He goes into good detail on the 3 main reasons, but the biggest reason, and this is still something Bethesda just can't seem to get right, is the fighting/gameplay.

tenaka2

Did you make this thread because skyrim is crap on the PS3?

Did you comment because DD isn't on pc? ;)
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#8 ispeakfact
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Had fun playing DD for 327 hours and i couldn't stand Skyrim after 100h. DD is a better game.silversix_
I wouldn't say I couldn't stand Skyrim, because I did enjoy it, but agree, DD is the better game simply because...it's just more fun to play.
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#9 rilpas
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wish this game was on PC I'd get the console versions but meh, I've heard they have issues
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#11 LostProphetFLCL
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So are Cows going to start hating on Skyrim because of their butthurt over how much of a mess it is on the PS3? :lol:

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#12 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]

Article

The guy pretty much hits the nail on the head ( Before the hate, and jelly comes :cool:, I have both games, hundreds of hours in both, and platinumed Skyrim on PS3)

He goes into good detail on the 3 main reasons, but the biggest reason, and this is still something Bethesda just can't seem to get right, is the fighting/gameplay.

ispeakfact

Did you make this thread because skyrim is crap on the PS3?

Did you comment because DD isn't on pc? ;)

To be honest I didnt realise it wasn't, but didnt it score pretty average in any case?:cool:

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#13 timmy00
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Yeah DD is much better than Skyrim imo (no sh*t) though both got some problems.

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#14 Heil68
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I didn't like the demo of DD, maybe I'll give it a chance when its under $20.
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#15 ispeakfact
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Yeah DD is much better than Skyrim imo (no sh*t) though both got some problems.

timmy00
Would agree. DD isn't perfect either.
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#16 almasdeathchild
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jelly?

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#17 Chutebox
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So are Cows going to start hating on Skyrim because of their butthurt over how much of a mess it is on the PS3? :lol:

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The game sucks dude. Worst gameplay I've seen in a long time...
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#18 LostProphetFLCL
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

So are Cows going to start hating on Skyrim because of their butthurt over how much of a mess it is on the PS3? :lol:

Chutebox

The game sucks dude. Worst gameplay I've seen in a long time...

Actually it was easily better than anything else put out last year.

Love the butthurt though!

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#19 Giancar
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Did you make this thread because skyrim is crap on the PS3?

tenaka2
Come on man, he is making a non PS3 thread and you bring this. And no, after the last patches Skyrim is fine on PS3, I am 60 h + and I have a lot to do sitll X_X No, it´s not as slick as the PC version, but it plays fine as for the topic: I have only played Skyrim, not beaten yet. The pacing is horrendous, some quests are really borinnggg and long. The story is uninteresting. But you have tons of good things, lots of freedom, and some really cool Quests like the Daedric.
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#20 locopatho
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Hand to hand combat is an area the Elder Scrolls desperately needs to improve. I usually use bows, poisons and magic to fight (which are all great fun) That's an area games like Dragon's Dogma and Dark Souls really excel in.
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#21 bbkkristian
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jelly?

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lol cows am cry
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#22 Ross_the_Boss6
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I really want to get back into Skyrim because I love exploring the world Bethesda created, but the combat is just too stale and unsatisfying to hold my interest. I'll have to explore some mods that might help this.

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#23 lazerface216
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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Did you make this thread because skyrim is crap on the PS3?

tenaka2

Did you comment because DD isn't on pc? ;)

To be honest I didnt realise it wasn't, but didnt it score pretty average in any case?:cool:

so did stalker, but that doesn't stop pc fanboys from squirting all over it...

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#24 parkurtommo
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wish this game was on PC I'd get the console versions but meh, I've heard they have issuesrilpas
I've played the ps3 demo... omg dat 20 fps and weird stuttering.
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#25 lazerface216
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[QUOTE="rilpas"]wish this game was on PC I'd get the console versions but meh, I've heard they have issuesparkurtommo
I've played the ps3 demo... omg dat 20 fps and weird stuttering.

nonsense, the ps3 demo ran perfectly fine.

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#26 heretrix
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A triumph. Hmph. Choosing which faults you can tolerate in DD over Skyrim is hardly a triumph, it's just a matter of taste.

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#27 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"] Did you comment because DD isn't on pc? ;)lazerface216

To be honest I didnt realise it wasn't, but didnt it score pretty average in any case?:cool:

so did stalker, but that doesn't stop pc fanboys from squirting all over it...

You will never understand STALKER, you are a peasant.

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#28 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="rilpas"]wish this game was on PC I'd get the console versions but meh, I've heard they have issueslazerface216

I've played the ps3 demo... omg dat 20 fps and weird stuttering.

nonsense, the ps3 demo ran perfectly fine.

lies
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#29 lazerface216
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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

To be honest I didnt realise it wasn't, but didnt it score pretty average in any case?:cool:

tenaka2

so did stalker, but that doesn't stop pc fanboys from squirting all over it...

You will never understand STALKER, you are a peasant.

mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmm

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#30 lazerface216
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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] I've played the ps3 demo... omg dat 20 fps and weird stuttering.parkurtommo

nonsense, the ps3 demo ran perfectly fine.

lies

truths

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#31 ispeakfact
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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

To be honest I didnt realise it wasn't, but didnt it score pretty average in any case?:cool:

tenaka2

so did stalker, but that doesn't stop pc fanboys from squirting all over it...

You will never understand STALKER, you are a peasant.

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#32 platniumgamer
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]nonsense, the ps3 demo ran perfectly fine.

lazerface216

lies

truths

ps3 can only do 20fps... sometimes 25 fps, but that's pushing it.

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#33 GamingGod999
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

So are Cows going to start hating on Skyrim because of their butthurt over how much of a mess it is on the PS3? :lol:

LostProphetFLCL

The game sucks dude. Worst gameplay I've seen in a long time...

Actually it was easily better than anything else put out last year.

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#34 rilpas
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

so did stalker, but that doesn't stop pc fanboys from squirting all over it...

ispeakfact

You will never understand STALKER, you are a peasant.

who are they surrendering to?

that reminds me, we're in September and the PS3 still doesn't have a single AA or AAA retail exclusive... is the PS3 dead?

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#35 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] liesplatniumgamer

truths

ps3 can only do 20fps... sometimes 25 fps, but that's pushing it.

Most games hit 15 to be fair :)

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#36 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] The game sucks dude. Worst gameplay I've seen in a long time...GamingGod999

Actually it was easily better than anything else put out last year.

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#37 megadeth1117
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I'll agree, DD has a great combat system, but praising the atrocious dialog and bland, barren world is just insane.

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#38 Supabul
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I heard it takes 10 times longer to finish Skyrim on PS3

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Skyrim seems to have a better world and atmosphere but everything inside that world is boring and bland with cardboard characters that only spring to life when you talk to them. Like when you leave a town and come back it's like the people weren't living when you were away and the world doesn't carry on without you. Dragon's Dogma has better content inside its world but the world itself is rather dull to look at.

Combine both and you would have something cool

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#40 timmy00
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[QUOTE="timmy00"]

Yeah DD is much better than Skyrim imo (no sh*t) though both got some problems.

ispeakfact

Would agree. DD isn't perfect either.

My probably real big complaint is the lackluster NG+. Would've been sweet if the game got harder each time you completed it. Still I wouldn't mind replaying it again. It's still a lot of fun and the combat is fun. I can't say the same for Skyrim. It's all right but eh...I just can't get into it.

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#41 GamingGod999
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Dark Souls says hi.parkurtommo

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#42 dommeus
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I agree with his first point, and his second is sort of a non issue for either (since the dialogue in both games is bad). However, I would strongly disagree with his third point about exploration being rewarded.

When I rented the game, I often found that my early attempts to go off the beaten path were met with swift death due to my underleveled party. Even just following mission markers was often a lottery, since some of the missions dolled out earlier on are all but impossible to complete without grinding levels.

This wouldn't be an issue if the quests were graded based on difficulty, or if there was a fast travel system implemented at the beginning. However, when I played the game (about a month or two ago) neither of these systems existed. Therefore I would often trek for 15-45 minutes toward a quest, only to be mercilessly slaughtered and sent all the way back to an auto save in the city I initially left.

Even saving on the road makes little difference, since you still have to track back if you are hitting a difficulty wall, and try and find a quest that is actually on par with your level. I really tried to enjoy the game, and look past its shortcomings, but after about 10 hours or so I just got fed up of all the time I was wasting attempting quests only to die or retreat, backtrack and then try another.

I am aware that later on you can buy objects that allow you to fast travel, but they should just allow it throughout the entire game. They should also grade the quests, since then you know what you're getting into, and your first time through the game you can easily follow the path the developers laid out for you.

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#43 FastEddie2121
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Well, it does have great combat. However this point from the article, "Dialogue in Dragons Dogma is brief, informative, and of consequence" is fail. At least it was "brief." For example, the sudden random love interest part of the story was horribad. At that point I gave up on this rpg having a good story and just enjoyed it for the combat despite the grind of having to run everywhere facing the same respawning baddies and enduring the mindless banter of your pawns. The day one dlc is best put in the category of 'shovel-ware' along with later releases.
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#44 LostProphetFLCL
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] The game sucks dude. Worst gameplay I've seen in a long time...GamingGod999

Actually it was easily better than anything else put out last year.

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That was indeed a fantastic game but Skyrim was still better. Lots more playtime value.

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#45 arto1223
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]

Article

The guy pretty much hits the nail on the head ( Before the hate, and jelly comes :cool:, I have both games, hundreds of hours in both, and platinumed Skyrim on PS3)

He goes into good detail on the 3 main reasons, but the biggest reason, and this is still something Bethesda just can't seem to get right, is the fighting/gameplay.

ispeakfact

Did you make this thread because skyrim is crap on the PS3?

Did you comment because DD isn't on pc? ;)

So is that a yes? You didn't give an answer, all you did was ask a question.

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#46 GreenGoblin2099
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I don't understand why people says good things about DD's combat... I tried the demo and what turned me down completely was the combat TBH.

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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]My major complaint is no fast travel. The world also lacks the charm Skyrim has. The combat is great though. Taking on monsters is very exciting.

ive only played a little of it and i agree. the game is really ugly too. at least it is early on, the armor is ugly, the world is ugly, the characters are ugly. the monsters look bad ass though
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#48 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]Hand to hand combat is an area the Elder Scrolls desperately needs to improve. I usually use bows, poisons and magic to fight (which are all great fun) That's an area games like Dragon's Dogma and Dark Souls really excel in.

see, the combat never bothered me in skyrim because i used bows in any game that lets me. its so rewarding to fire an arrow from far away and watch the kill cam nail the enemy in the head. the sword combat is nothing special but good enough imo
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#49 mems_1224
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I don't understand why people says good things about DD's combat... I tried the demo and what turned me down completely was the combat TBH.

GreenGoblin2099
the combat is pretty good. i hate games like this though that dont have a lock on, its really annoying.
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#50 GreenGoblin2099
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

I don't understand why people says good things about DD's combat... I tried the demo and what turned me down completely was the combat TBH.

mems_1224

the combat is pretty good. i hate games like this though that dont have a lock on, its really annoying.

Indeed... it felt way too hack n slash (at least in the demo) but in a bad way. I managed to take down the chimera in seconds and with zero strategy involved, just mashing the hit button.