30,000 + 220+ 170+ 70= Heavy Rain.

[QUOTE="deathtoallgods"]Interactive movie? No thank you.XanderZane

So, it's a good thing for lost odyssey have 30 hour of cutscenes and 15 hours of gameplay, while it's a bad thing for heavy rain to blend both of the element into one?CaptainChi3f

I think the major complaint is that Heavy Rain, as far as we have seen, doesn't actually have any gameplay - I've only seen quick-time events interwoven into cutscenes so far. Their last game was almost totally lacking, puzzle-wise, so I guess that this one probably will be, too.

*edit* Oh, ok, and context-sensitive actions, and what looks to be the return of Fahrenheit's terrible stealth sequences.

PC exclusive Alan Wake will be owned by Heavy Rain next year.Hitman533

With any luck, Gray Matter should smash them both. :P

And since when are so many people interested in adventure games?

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yeah thanks, dragon lair did this perfect years ago - i don't think it translates to this gen at all. there's a reason FMV games failed in the 80s / 90s.

InsaneBasura

A minor major improvement is that the button prompts are attached to objects within the game world, so you will actually be looking at the action as it unfolds rather than staring at brightly colored buttons popping up in the middle of the screen.

They'll be more interactive in the sense that you'll get to choose where to go. Apparently you'll be able to run around the entire house in the demonstration at will, with various crap to interact with. This is presumably how you'll get to find the gun, and shoot the dude in his stupid face. And yeah, you can fail so the guy kills you instead and the story goes on. So possible storybending during these things, no linear, no no.

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="deathtoallgods"]Interactive movie? No thank you.Ren_eko

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[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

yeah thanks, dragon lair did this perfect years ago - i don't think it translates to this gen at all. there's a reason FMV games failed in the 80s / 90s.

3picuri3

A minor major improvement is that the button prompts are attached to objects within the game world, so you will actually be looking at the action as it unfolds rather than staring at brightly colored buttons popping up in the middle of the screen.

They'll be more interactive in the sense that you'll get to choose where to go. Apparently you'll be able to run around the entire house in the demonstration at will, with various crap to interact with. This is presumably how you'll get to find the gun, and shoot the dude in his stupid face. And yeah, you can fail so the guy kills you instead and the story goes on. So possible storybending during these things, no linear, no no.

lmao.

i loved fahrenheit, was awesome.

if you were informed you'd know that Heavy Rain isn't the same in terms of the way it plays... but hey, what do i know, i've only been following this game and reading interviews for about 6 months now :P

Fahrenheit is an amazing game , they already said they removed the "fantasy" stuff from Fahrenheit to Heavy Rain(most people didnt like it in Fahrenheit) , i dont care what everibody else thinks about the adventure genre being dead, but i enjoyed Fahrenheit(beat it about 15 times) and will most certainly enjoy this game, i am certain although that most of the people that hype its graphics wont even buy it , they just want ammo for the fanboy war.Ren_eko

if you guys knew ANYTHING about Quantum you'd know they describe their games openly as 'interactive cinema'... so seriously, stop pretending you know everything and i know nothing :P go read up on it some more.

[QUOTE="Ren_eko"]Fahrenheit is an amazing game , they already said they removed the "fantasy" stuff from Fahrenheit to Heavy Rain(most people didnt like it in Fahrenheit) , i dont care what everibody else thinks about the adventure genre being dead, but i enjoyed Fahrenheit(beat it about 15 times) and will most certainly enjoy this game, i am certain although that most of the people that hype its graphics wont even buy it , they just want ammo for the fanboy war.3picuri3

EDIT: I never said it wasnt like interactive cinema , hell the menu in Fahrenheit is shaped like it was a DVD movie , but being interactive cinema doesnt take away from it being a great videogame experience...

You're spewing stuff out of your ass without having any real knowledge of what you're talking about. Fahrenheit was quite clearly a traditional adventure game with some cinematic elements thrown in, which is what Heavy Rain will be. It's not an FMV or anything similar. Silent-Hal

From my memory (which could easily be wrong - I could only tolerate two playthroughs of the game), Fahrenheit was roughly 40% quick-time events (basically interactive movies), 30% simplistic context-sensitive adventure gameplay, and 30% dodgy timed/stealth sequences.

It wasn't much of a 'traditional' adventure game, in the same way that Dreamfall is less of an adventure game than The Longest Journey.

Interactive movie? No thank you.deathtoallgods

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Ren_eko"]Fahrenheit is an amazing game , they already said they removed the "fantasy" stuff from Fahrenheit to Heavy Rain(most people didnt like it in Fahrenheit) , i dont care what everibody else thinks about the adventure genre being dead, but i enjoyed Fahrenheit(beat it about 15 times) and will most certainly enjoy this game, i am certain although that most of the people that hype its graphics wont even buy it , they just want ammo for the fanboy war.Ren_eko

EDIT: I never said it wasnt like interactive cinema , hell the menu in Fahrenheit is shaped like it was a DVD movie , but being interactive cinema doesnt take away from it being a great videogame experience...

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"] You're spewing stuff out of your ass without having any real knowledge of what you're talking about. Fahrenheit was quite clearly a traditional adventure game with some cinematic elements thrown in, which is what Heavy Rain will be. It's not an FMV or anything similar. Planeforger

From my memory (which could easily be wrong - I could only tolerate two playthroughs of the game), Fahrenheit was roughly 40% quick-time events (basically interactive movies), 30% simplistic context-sensitive adventure gameplay, and 30% dodgy timed/stealth sequences.

It wasn't much of a 'traditional' adventure game, in the same way that Dreamfall is less of an adventure game than The Longest Journey.

always confuses me when people talk about dreamfall and the longest journey in one breath because Dreamfall was called 'dreamfall: the longest journey', but there is another game just called 'the longest journey' that is an excellent example of a pure adventure game in the vein of king's quest, etc.

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[QUOTE="3picuri3"] i love Fahrenheit, Heavy Rain is not like Fahrenheit. go read some dev diaries ffs. 3picuri3

EDIT: I never said it wasnt like interactive cinema , hell the menu in Fahrenheit is shaped like it was a DVD movie , but being interactive cinema doesnt take away from it being a great videogame experience...

So, it's a good thing for lost odyssey have 30 hour of cutscenes and 15 hours of gameplay, while it's a bad thing for heavy rain to blend both of the element into one?CaptainChi3f

[QUOTE="CaptainChi3f"]So, it's a good thing for lost odyssey have 30 hour of cutscenes and 15 hours of gameplay, while it's a bad thing for heavy rain to blend both of the element into one?Planeforger

I think the major complaint is that Heavy Rain, as far as we have seen, doesn't actually have any gameplay - I've only seen quick-time events interwoven into cutscenes so far. Their last game was almost totally lacking, puzzle-wise, so I guess that this one probably will be, too.

*edit* Oh, ok, and context-sensitive actions, and what looks to be the return of Fahrenheit's terrible stealth sequences.

It certainly has gameplay, don't be silly. But it's more of an experience than a challenge. I guess that's the catalyst for differing opinions.

3picuri3, what you're saying makes no sense to me. Quantic Dream has stated multiple times that they've taken what they've learned from making Fahrenheit, and are improving on it. The demonstration is very much like a good scene out of Fahrenheit. And with more interaction if anything. In Fahrenheit there was a similar scene where you had to climb in through a window. To do this you went up to it and started mashing buttons. In Heavy Rain you have to puzzle a bit with cans to reach the window, though admittedly this looks retarded, as in it takes like forever to move the bloody thing. Once inside there's more things for you to interact with. And I'm not sure if this is true, but supposedly the guy will notice if you've left the fridge open for instance and come searching for you immediately. Then you're forced to evade him and get out. If he finds you the QTE's are more interactive and make more sense.

But despite of the improvements I'm also hoping there won't be too many QTE's, because no matter what they will always feel less involved than you having direct control of the character. And I much preferred the detectivey parts of Fahrenheit. Btw, you can skip the QTE in the house entirely by successfully sneaking out of the house without being noticed.

As for the size of the sets, this is one set. Fahrenheit had many that were similarly sized. Maybe some were smaller and some bigger. Maybe some will be in Heavy Rain as well.

We will see how this turns out. I don't really know what to think of it right now. It's sounding like, to me, an extremely shallow adventure game. -Master_St3ve-

I still have left over popcorn from MGS4, so I'm ready.

It looks like it's going to have a compelling story, so can't wait to see how it plays out. The graphics are amazing too.

The game looks interesting but am not hyped about it.... surely devs are working hard to produce a great gaming experience but guess i'll wait for more details, gameplay vids and feedback from gamers/media before deciding whether to get the game or not...

But am happy devs such as QD are trying to do something different....

Tried the Fahrenheit/Indigo demo?
Yeah i think it will be extremely shallow in some way. You'll have some choices and some influence but yeah.
I figure You could find lots of things to nag about even in that short demo. Like limited movement (invisible walls), limited interactivity, overabundance of timed button sequences, etc. But still, it was an awesome experience.
Think it was because of the coolness factor. It was something different and some really cool stuff happens to You. The mouse controls were like a pre-wii control method, pretty slick. There was the sense of actually having to make important splitsecond choices. Picture in picture gameplay really added to the tension, was pretty new back then.
In short i think it was really wrong for a game as we know it, but it did a lot of (new and cool) things right as well.KungfuKitten

Yeah, but this one is PS3 only, with Xbox 360/PC fans given the middle finger, ditto for the Wii witch is the dominant console, and many PS2 fans/customers still not buying/owning a PS3.

It's gonna be a flop.

This is the one game that really makes me want to buy a PS3 asap.

I absolutely loved Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy.

I really hope it turns out to be a phenomenal game.

30,000 words of non linear dialogue.HAZE-Unit

Somewhere WARP is wishing they never left the gaming business.

This is really a return to the interactive movies of the mid 90s on the saturn and playstation.

Anyways, I'm interested to see where this will go.