3060 Ti>2080 Super and only $399 (Out tomorrow)

$399 and only 10% slower than the RTX 3070. Could this be the console killer GPU?

Hermits are so desperate to get noticed. It's just sad at this point.

I swear you can still update an unactivated windows 10 PC. The only thing you can't change on an unactivated one is the shitty watermark and some visual customizations. Everything else is par for the course.

A Cow posting in a PC thread with nothing more to add, could be seen as desperate for attention...

This isn't even factoring in DLSS. The RTX 2060 Super was actually running Watch Dogs Legion somewhat better than the Xbox Series X since it ran it at native 4k with some dips below 30 while the Series X would drop down to 1440p in demanding scenes on the same settings. With DLSS on 4k quality mode the 2060 Super can play the game at Ultra settings at 30 fps. Call Of Duty Cold War shows that in 4K performance mode you can get an 85% performance boost giving you nearly double the framerate. Nvidia claims you can go up to 120% performance boost.

It should be safe to also assume that most major titles that aren't AMD sponsored will support DLSS in the future. Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be the biggest game this year and next for quiet some time and the RTX 3060 is going to make the consoles look real bad when it runs the game with better graphics and frame rates thanks to DLSS.

@NoodleFighter: Yeah, DLSS is a serious consideration and I hope it gets more and more adoption. Fantastic feature.

For sale, all 50 units around the world. The rest sold to miners.

@ocinom: Miners are hardly a thing anymore. The people that still are aren't looking for 3060TI's.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-allegedly-sold-175-million-worth-ampere-geforce-rtx-30-gpus-to-miners/

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/76468/cant-buy-new-ampere-gpu-thats-because-nvidia-sold-them-to-miners/index.html

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1274151-nvidia-sold-175-million-worth-of-geforce-rtx-30-gpus-to-crypto-miners/

Fake news then?

Yes.

@ocinom: $175 million of $2.27 billion isn't exactly an insane amount.

The rest were bought by bots.

"$175 Million however is no small figure and that would mean a large chunk of GeForce RTX 30 GPU series which were dedicated for gaming purposes were sold out to miners. The demand from the mining community is on the rise as Bitcoin.com suggests that Ethereum V2.0 is just around the corner and as such demand for more efficient hardware has increased."

And? That's nothing compared to the Pascal days. You have given pure speculation articles based off information from sources like MLID. This is nothing unless you have something with actual confirmed numbers that are way higher.

@fedor:

Doesn't matter if true or not. It might be a contributing factor. They still released crap low stocks, then sold majority to miners.

It doesn't matter if it's true? What? Also even if the numbers were true (they most likely aren't) it wouldn't even account for the majority. This just seems like you being bitter about not getting your Ampere GPU.

I would say if you already have a system with a good CPU and Ram for a few years or less and only need to upgrade the GPU and you prefer the advantages of playing on PC like I do, then it is a smart purchase and I personally don't need anything more more powerful, it is a great upgrade from a GTX 1060 or even a GTX 1070, but if others do, they can spend more and get something much above the consoles performance.

It's the majority of their stocks. All 2000 of them. I dont need to be bitter about a product that you need to line outside a store to get one.

um native means all asset where done in said rez. if not.. its not native.

Nah, why would you pay 25% extra for 15% more performace? Makes no sense. It's pretty much 3060Ti or 3080, if you have the money. 3070 is kind of pointless now.

Didn't want to address you because it's fun watching you get rekt from the sidelines but since you are desperate for attention, let me bite. :D

It's cute you think people read your angry rants. We just go by the legth of your posts and knowing you it's not hard to deduce the bu*thurt and anger from it, cow. It's par for the course where you coming in chest thumping only to be bitch slapped by everyone. ROFLMAO!

I know you will like to dispute it and wouldn't be able to back anything you have so far claimed in this thread but I can link at least three other threads where you were bitch slapped hard and had to run with your panties down after literally everyone called you on your anger issues. ROFLMAO!

Nevertheless, keep writing. I have my pop-corn here to watch you. Tata! :D

Everyone yesterday: It's out tomorrow!!!

Everyone today: I blinked and it's sold out....

Expected, but not while 3070s and 3080s still fly off the shelves.

I wanted to be nice towards 3070 but yeah, I look at it between the 2 with RTX 3080=4K & RTX 3060Ti=1080p/60fps+ to 1440p/60fps+ is a better value for whatever resolution you are going for. Hell, the 3060Ti can easily run Cyberpunk 2077 as the specs recommending 3070.

Bots win again. Thought i had a shot on best buy since they are releasing them a little at a time. Got it to cart and then booted out and cart empty,. Worked to get a ps5. Not this time. F bots/scalpers.

I wonder if 3070 owners felt they just got ripped off with the 3060Ti being out similar to how 2080Ti owners felt over 3070. I mean 15% slower at 4k for $100 less has got to hurt at least a little. I definitely see the RTX 3060Ti being a popular card on the Steam survey and for people that want budget build PCs that can run games at 4k with a mix of max and high settings.

The 2080 Ti owners have a card that was the top dog for 2 years. The 3060 Ti got released less than two months after the 3070. Not really comparable.

3070 is a weird card. It'd be worth the premium over the 3060 Ti if it had say 10GB of VRAM vs 8GB.

Welp, apparently the 3060 Ti stock was like "3070, 3080 and 3090 combined," and still sold out.

Hoping this might shift demand and free up some 3070s for me. Not holding my breath, but one can always dream.

What's the RayTracing performance like?

$400 USD - will probably be like $1000 CDN

A bit faster than the 2080S, just like the rest of the card.

I've seen it for $540 CAD.

Seems about right.

I'm surprised anyone even bothers trying to purchase one of these online. Your only chance of actually getting one is waiting in a line at a store that sells them. I put myself on a wait list with EVGA for a 3080 a few weeks ago. I had already conceded that I wouldn't be able to buy one of the new cards until 2021 anyway after the initial supply sold instantly. No big deal, have patience.

Unless your GPU fails on you then that could force a person's hand, but I think I could still hold out against paying over MSRP.

It certainly is, just as well for you that you're going with an Nvidia card. Not so good news is the fact both Nvidia and AMD AIB's are claiming MSRP prices are completely unrealistic. This is where we find out if you're going to be dishonest the entire way through this thing...

We need a link to a 3060 Ti as close to MSRP as you can get it. The cards were launched today, so give us the card you're choosing for your build. We both know the FE versions pretty much don't exist we need something people have a vague chance of buying so IF you're honest you'll link us to the current best deal available for this card that isn't something only tech reviewers will ever see.

It doesn't matter if it's out of stock (so are the consoles) a pre-order will do. It shouldn't be as bad as the AMD fiasco in terms of pricing but we'll leave you to find out exactly where things sit. I had a quick look and prices for a 3060 Ti on Amazon, Overclockers and Scan are WAY over MSRP, all more expensive than the MSRP of the 3070. Anyway yeah, have fun with that.

We still need a valid copy of Windows (no watermarks on either console as far as I know), a wi-fi solution and a 4K bluray player. We can leave it till the end of the week if you want to wait for prices on the GPU side of things to settle. I'm busy at the moment and it will give me time to get the 'actual' specs needed to match a Series X, along with sources.

You're free to just ignore me and that's completely fine I'll just price up your parts myself (with everything included) and go ahead with the vote. If you respond with yet another random insult I'll just go ahead and do exactly that. You will get full credit for your 'work' please don't doubt that!

You haven't seen me bitch slapped in any thread, ever. You did this last time, just made shit up over and over again thinking if you keep saying it, it might come true.

You just admitted you didn't even read the post you just typed 'long angry rant' without even thinking, same as the drivel you typed above. This is exactly what you did last time I sent you packing, just made up all sorts of stuff and kept repeating it. You haven't even been following this thread either, just posting without reading anything or you would know exactly who is getting wrecked here (clue: it's not me).

A little fangirl for the losing side, lol, awww that's cute. I'll stop here, you're famous on here for running to teacher every time you get completely ruined (which is nearly every time you post). You need to stick to cheerleading IMO.

@blueinheaven: Dude go sleep and take the L. Not reading your tl:dr.

Not a problem, you posted your garbage PC I'll run with that, add Windows etc and price up a 3060 Ti. You're done here, see you at the weekend for the vote.

A 3060 is not going to beat next gen consoles. I know it and you know it, forget historical precedents man that reeks of desperation a 3070 will beat a PS5 and match or beat a Series X we don't know yet as I keep telling you. We'll revisit this when all is said and done and all hands have been shown.

@Juub1990: You are having a blast.

'we don't know yet as I keep telling you'. Read the original thread. I said that more than once. I even said 'EVEN if the 3060 matches next gen consoles the consoles will be the price of the card alone' acknowledging it was a possibility.

I get that reading isn't your strong suit, more than a paragraph makes your head hurt. Your problem not mine, but you really need to read before posting.

Also, the real gist of the whole thing was 'I can build a PC that matches or beats next gen consoles and represents better value' and OMFG are you going to get your sorry ignorant ass kicked from here to the moon.

You better believe it. Folks around these parts are so easily triggered.

The price point was the argument, not the name of the card. NVIDIA hasn't released a 60 Ti card in a while. I had assumed 3060 at $399, instead it's a 3060 Ti at the same price. It beats both consoles, and a 3070 which is on par with a 2080 Ti as NVIDIA claimed, crushes them both. The 3060 will be a step below and likely at $299 and be around the performance of the consoles.

I said the console were still an incredible deal in that very thread but summarized that PC was making a serious claim as a value proposition (then you went all mad cow mode to defend the honor of your plastic box) because factoring online, you could build a system that outclasses them which is exactly what is happening right now.

There's nothing more to be had.

Your exact claim was building a PC that matches or beats next gen consoles and represents better value. I'm guessing you said that not having any idea whatsoever what it costs to build a PC or because you're just generally clueless about PC's, whatever your reasons, that was your claim.

We both agreed we'd revisit it when everything releases. I knew you had an impossible task on your hands and would look a complete idiot when it came down to it and even decided to leave it be, I honestly saw no value in embarrassing you and didn't want to drag it up again but you attacked me in another thread so I said f*** it let's see his bargain PC and compare it.

Like it or not these consoles are start of the art consoles (that was my wording, hey it's that reading problem again) and have much better parts than we've seen in recent gens compared to PC.

Anyway it's not my problem anymore, it's not yours either since you flatly refuse to complete pricing knowing your ass is well and truly kicked before we even start but we're going to see this through, if for no other reason than to show people the true cost of a good PC that competes with these consoles.

And again with the 'mad cow' thing, I'm more a PC gamer than you'll ever be as we are proving right here and now, if you even play games. See you at the vote.

Why do you lie?

These were my words:

Don't get me wrong, consoles have their places and a $399 PS5 is an absolute steal and I will get one but PC this gen has risen to be a cut above the rest.

And this:

You'll be able to build a PS5-tier PC for about $800 so of course, the PS5 is still a great value but that price really isn't unreasonable especially when you factor PS Plus is still paid so that $150-300 adds up to $550-700(digital) or $650-800(disc) over 5 years. That's dangerously close. Not to mention the 3060 will likely outstrip the PS5 in power. You get access to Game Pass, all Xbox exclusives too.

Even as a value proposition, PC is making a serious claim.

My claim was that PC was challenging consoles as a value proposition. You went full retard and on a tangent about a bunch of nonsense like you always do. A PC matching a console is inherently a better value because the PC does a billion things the console does not, including and excluding gaming.

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And again with the 'mad cow' thing, I'm more a PC gamer than you'll ever be as we are proving right here and now, if you even play games. See you at the vote.

a 3070 will beat a PS5 and match or beat a Series X we don't know yet

I think PC is a better value than console even if it costs $300 more as I like the advantages of gaming on PC many times more and I can do way more on it at than I can do on a console. So I don't care if a console costs less or not for the same main performance specs, to me PC will always be a much better value. This whole argument is silly to me as I feel PC is just better and that makes pricing irrelevant. This is just how I feel, I understand other people like consoles and that is fine, game on what you like best.

That terrible realisation that childish laughing gifs are literally all you've got...

'Even as a value proposition, PC is making a serious claim.'

And you said you'd give us a build that matches or beats next gen consoles to prove it. So let's see it. And btw that's only one of a few threads where we discussed this whole thing, good job at trying to cherry pick and re-write the whole narrative.

PC as a value proposition is in itself absolutely hilarious compared to next gen consoles. We've already seen from your totally garbage PC that you're approaching three times the cost of a digital PS5 (including OS and wi-fi) even if people do what you did and just pile the most shit cheap components they can find on the entire internet into a case and NO PC GAMER DOES THAT.

The real cost for a decent PC is much higher. No way in hell are you building a PC that matches PS5 digital for $800, again you're showing you literally haven't got the slightest clue what you're talking about.

Whatever, we'll put your comedy build up for the vote v next gen consoles and see what forum members consider to be better value. If I have time I'll put an 'actual' proper decent PC build with comparable specs into the mix as well.

You're not squirming out of this. Post a few gifs to cheer yourself up.

@blueinheaven: I’m sorry for hurting your fragile ego. This is just a forum bro. I made you look foolish and you were wrong about the $399 GPU not matching consoles. Happens to everyone. You keep going on and on and on about this with long ass posts I don’t actually read. I can tell you feel defeated because no one who is in the right fights so hard. I hurt your soul. I didn’t know it hurt you that bad.

No hard feelings on my end. Take it easy.

Nice try :) See you at the vote, I'd like to think there will be no hard feelings but my crystal ball sees many salty tears in your future.

Open up a discussion like I did. A vote is meaningless because we know you will vote for whatever favors you or try to convince people to vote for you. Post a thread like I did and let the knowledgeable posters speak, but you're probably too afraid to do that because you'd get laughed out the building and need your fellow mad cows for validation. Just like in this thread, really.

@Juub1990: I don't know why he claims you chose poor quality parts it looks like you chose Asus MB , Corsair PSU and Crucial SSD, all good quality brands, only the ram was a lesser known brand and TEAM has been pretty stable in my experience, I have built hundreds of computers and am a PC tech and IT pro for 20 years so I am not sure what the issue is and I think the console hardware is not the quality that some think it is. Also many people on youtube where laughing at Colteastwood for including a UHD bluray drive in his PC build to compare to consoles, so yes many myself included think that is silly to have to include it when it is not needed for gaming to inflate the price to fit their agenda.

The console parts are not quality at all. They're made cheaply. The PS5 has a cheap-ass PSU which produces coil whine. Now other users are reporting loud fans as well because there are two different models. The CPU is not equivalent to an Ryzen 3700X. It's an APU with a much smaller cache. The GPU gets demolished by a 2060S in RTX workloads, and I'm not even sure either actually matches even a 2070S (when I had previously speculated they were 2070S-2080 level).

Yet this guy calls them "state of the art" in a world where the Ryzen 5900X/10900K and RTX 3090 exist.

They do exceptionally well for $399-499 boxes, but are constrained by their price points.