3080 > XSX > 2080 > 2070 > PS5

Simple breakdown in power and what to expect from PC and consoles.

https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-series-x-gpu-may-be-more-powerful-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-and-other-pc-gpus#:~:text=Microsoft%20revealed%20that%20the%20Xbox,that%20should%20also%20be%20considered.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/ps5-performance-could-be-trounced-by-a-decent-gaming-pc

3060 > XSX = 2080 > 2070 S = PS5

FTFY

Maybe not a 3060 but likely a 3070 > XSX

And it's been mostly said that the XSX beats a standard 2080 and the XSX is more closer to a 2080TI not beat the TI but closer to the TI

And depending the PC with CPU and Ram and being the PS5 has variable clocks and down clocks as low as mid 9 tflops the 2070 with good PC parts likely pulls ahead of the PS5.

That entirely depends on how well the 3060 performs in scenarios with RTX on. If it's an enormous leap putting AMD to shame then it just might beat out an SX in overall performance when ray tracing is included. Otherwise, I don't see its raster performance beating out a 2080-class GPU. At most I see it beating out a 2070S.

It most definitely isn't closer to the 2080 Ti. In the only direct comparison we have, it trailed behind the 2080 by a tiny amount. It's either neck and neck with the 2080 or 2080S which puts it closer to them than the 2080 Ti unless you believe it beats those cards by >10%

My thoughts as well.

I haven't seen any source saying it's close to a 2080TI. DF directly compares it to a 2080. Hopefully it is, means Big Navi will be a beast.

We need to keep in mind that the XSX is early in dev kits and MS is notorious for not releasing big performance gain dev kit updates until around launch and shortly after launch. This is how MS kinda fooled devs months ago and likely Sony also with having the XSX kits running slow then more recently we obviously see some dev kit updates then all devs kinda changed their tone on now saying wow the XSX is more power.

Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed Valhalla will hit "at least" 30 FPS at 4K resolutions on the Xbox Series X

XSX>2080 my ass

LMAO! Series X will not match a 2080 Super. This is AMD GPU tech we’re talking about here.

What's the power per price ratio?

No one knows as prices haven't been announced for the next gen consoles.

To be fair he never indicated Super.

Nvidia TFLOPS does not equal AMD TFLOPS. AMD currently has around a 24% performance TFLOP deficit vs Nvidia with RDNA 1.0. Even if we take AMD's claims as fact of RDNA 2.0 being 50% faster per watt than v1.0, RDNA 2.0 with 36cu is only going to be around 20% faster than a Nvidia Turing gpu with equal TFLOP numbers.

Now at the same time Nvidia real world boost clock TFLOP numbers are never calculated. Nvidia uses the base default boost clock to get its numbers. A 1.86ghz 2070S has 8.5 TFLOPS or RTX 2080 can see upto 11.3 TFLOP at 1.89ghz and RTX 2080ti can see 15.8 TFLOPS with 1.8ghz boost clock.

With Ampere improvements and nvidia going to 7nm from 12nm. There is going to be a proper generational leap over 16nm/12nm gpus from the last 4 years.

Get real the new AC game is going to be cross gen so base PS4 and Xbox One need to play it. Use better common sense.

@i_own_u_4ever: So what? XSX still is not >2080. Try harder next time with other trash post

You should use common sense....... all that extra horse power and only will target 4k 30 fps? With all that unused power they could have targeted 60 fps easily unless the game is an un-optimized mess. Or its not as strong as people claim.

Wow you really are that clueless. First of all we don't have final conformation on any of this yet. Also devs aren't going to commit millions of extra dollars in development for cross gen games just to boost one version to 60fps. It's not likely just based on the money and dev time needed. Wait about a year and pretty much all games will be running at 60fps on both PS5 and XSX.

Use common sense.

Most devs say it is or at worst equal to it but we are so early in the dev kit cycle for the XSX. After launch the XSX will get big performance boost with updates.

Well the XSX actually is comparable to the Super this is why it's closer to the TI rather then a standard 2080.

The 2080 S is much closer to a 2080 than it is to a TI. Also you are speculating without any proof.

Lame. PS4 and Xbox one launch titles are optimized from the start of the gen. Therefore XSX is not>2080.

1.8GHz boost clock is still nothing. Most 2080 Ti easily sustain 1900Mhz with the average probably being in the 1980MHz-2000Mhz range. Mine sustains 2085Mhz but boosts up to 2100Mhz.

Your the one who is clueless... all you need to do is change the fps cap and not lock it to 30. You do not have to comment millions of dollars ......but one person with not even 5 minutes of work to change the number 30 to 60 in a config file...... If you have the processing power available you can hit that number easily without having to spend all that time and money optimizing. XSX is no different than PC in this regard in having the resources in being able to drive 60 fps even with current gen limits.

Why not? It has 54 CU's at 1825MHz. The 5700XT with 36 CU's and 2GHz comes reasonably close to the 2070S. More CU's scale better than higher clocks so it's really not hard to believe the SX can match the 2080S which isn't even that much faster than the regular 2080 anyway. We're talking a 5-10% difference. The demo of GOW5 already has the SX coming within spitting distance of a 2080 so a 2080S is definitely something it could beat by a tiny amount if we go by what we know.

You really have no idea what you are saying. Consoles nowadays get updates and yes they get performance updates through the life cycle of the system. You're either trolling really bad or really have no idea what you are saying.

No amount of console patches can make a game go from 30fps to 60fps. XSX not>2080

Ugh I can't imagine running at console fps.

Sigh why do I even bother with you. Not if devs from the start of development chose to offer higher fidelity and graphical effects to the game and if the game was designed around 30fps in mind. Can devs possible offer 60fps for the XSX well possibly this is why Ubisoft has said they haven't finished development yet. But again if the devs from the onset of development went with a 30fps in mind being it's cross gen and they wanted to go for higher fidelity then that's what we are likely getting.

lol

So much for "Next gen"

Exactly with this many CU's and future performance updates the XSX has some leg stretching capabilities.

The "Next Gen" XSX Experience Checklist:

30-40fps
4k but mixed medium and high Settings

lol

I know you guys are semi-trolling but let's not pretend this is because of the SX. That's a design decision enforced by Ubisoft. A 2080-class GPU is nothing to scoff at and the machine overall is beautifully engineered(except for that split RAM which makes me grimace).

lol... really? if they are making a cross platform game they will be using the same assets as PC version would. And yet PC isnt limited to a 30 fps cap..... Nor should the XSX. There is only few reason why if their sticking to 30 fps.

1.Keeping parity throughout the consoles.

2. Shoddy work, creating a un-optimized version for XSX/PS5 not leveraging the unused potential.

Imagine having the latest 4k HDR 240hz monitor just to play a game that can't even run beyond 50fps. LOL

Come on man stop being dumb and twisting. Now everyone on here is seeing you get owned. Now your trying to twist. Nobody said the patches will make it go to 60fps I clearly stated several times that it's what the devs intended with the development. We were talking about the new AC and because you looked foolish you're now attempting to twist this to the general topic. I never said anything about patched going from 30-60. I clearly said patched talking about general system performance boost. The only time 30-60 was mentioned was in regards to the new AC game, and I clearly laid out reasons to your foolish BS in regards to AC and the XSX.

Now we all can see again your twisting and fake BS.

So it still can't perform better than a 2080. Fail

Provide a link saying it can't you fail

Clueless you are you have no idea about development and money and resources.

Provide a link that it can. fail

Sadly this is likely a closer representation to what we will get on PS5

nope, also on XSX. Don't flatter yourself

Apparently you dont ....

because if you did you would know the Xbox and PC share many of the same development tools and other aspects so the work and money needed is negligible. They are only dealing with three specs when it comes Xbox and three with Sony's consoles vs PC 's slew of configs.

Which benchmark put XSX better than 2080/S?

The gears 5 port job, which resulted 2080 like performance with little optimizing.

So, nothing at all. Have said it countless times that Gears 5 isn't a best benchmark to judge it and that too under controlled settings.

It was a nearly a straight up copy and paste job from x1x and the xsx gpu was able to perform as well as a 2080 did on same settings . Its not hard to believe in the fact that we know a 40CU RX 5700xt is able to compete with a RTX 2070 and why is so hard to believe that a 52CU RDNA 2.0 gpu would not match or beat a 2080/2080S? We are talking like 25% more CU's without even taking into account architecture improvements. a 52 CU RX 5700 would be in 2080 range as is.

Because we haven't seen anything about the RT/ML capabilities. How much die is dedicated to that? Also, if Epic's now deleted video about MaxQ performing better than PS5 for the UE5 demo is anything to go by, it doesn't paint a very good picture of XSX either.

Gears 5 wasn't even the most demanding game on PC. RDR 2 would have been a far better candidate to judge it.

Not saying it's impossible just there's not enough data on either side.

Why doesn't this guy just buy a 2080, goes on about it a lot.

@pc_rocks: No such thing as a RTX 2080 Max Q performing as well as a PS5. The Max Q model is a piece of crap compared to even a regular desktop 2070.