3080 > XSX > 2080 > 2070 > PS5

Because we haven't seen anything about the RT/ML capabilities. How much die is dedicated to that? Also, if Epic's now deleted video about MaxQ performing better than PS5 for the UE5 demo is anything to go by, it doesn't paint a very good picture of XSX either.

Gears 5 wasn't even the most demanding game on PC. RDR 2 would have been a far better candidate to judge it.

Not saying it's impossible just there's not enough data on either side.

Simple breakdown in power and what to expect from PC and consoles.

https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-series-x-gpu-may-be-more-powerful-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-and-other-pc-gpus#:~:text=Microsoft%20revealed%20that%20the%20Xbox,that%20should%20also%20be%20considered.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/ps5-performance-could-be-trounced-by-a-decent-gaming-pc

I know you guys are semi-trolling but let's not pretend this is because of the SX. That's a design decision enforced by Ubisoft. A 2080-class GPU is nothing to scoff at and the machine overall is beautifully engineered(except for that split RAM which makes me grimace).

Imagine having the latest 4k HDR 240hz monitor just to play a game that can't even run beyond 50fps. LOL

In pure rasterization performance we can do an educated guess in what to expect.And that the gears 5 is a good peak into what to expect.

The only RT performance info we have is the minecraft RT demo. But at the same time AMD in one of their RDNA 2.0 slides said " select lighting effects for real time gaming" Which tells me that AMD's RT will be singular effect just like current RTX cards do. Not being able to do multiple RT effects at the same time. But I suspect that AMD's solution wont stall their shader processors like RTX does not being utilized when RT is on, which Ampere is suppose to fix.

What's the split RAM about that you mentioned?

AFAIK the current consoles, Xbox One and PS4, also use split RAM between GPU and CPU.

Because we haven't seen anything about the RT/ML capabilities. How much die is dedicated to that? Also, if Epic's now deleted video about MaxQ performing better than PS5 for the UE5 demo is anything to go by, it doesn't paint a very good picture of XSX either.

Gears 5 wasn't even the most demanding game on PC. RDR 2 would have been a far better candidate to judge it.

Not saying it's impossible just there's not enough data on either side.

I don't think that's possible. The whole point of RT cores was to accelerate the ray/triangle intersection and BVH. It's not like RT couldn't be done using compute but it's slower. You can have a separate RT section on the die or you can bundle it inside the CUDA/CUs, you will still be dedicating silicon to that which will be stalled unless they really put a rabbit out of their hats.

No. Current consoles don't have a split RAM unless you count Pro's 1 GB DDR3 dedicated to OS and Original X1's 32MB ESRAM which is like a fast cache for GPU.

Also XSX don't have a split RAM either. It's just One pool of RAM is faster while the other is slower. As long as you can fit your assets in the faster pool you're fine but see decreased performance when it exceeds. Kinda like GTX 970 0.5GB.

What's the split RAM about that you mentioned?

AFAIK the current consoles, Xbox One and PS4, also use split RAM between GPU and CPU.

Also XSX don't have a split RAM either. It's just One pool of RAM is faster while the other is slower. As long as you can fit your assets in the faster pool you're fine but see decreased performance when it exceeds. Kinda like GTX 970 0.5GB.

@i_own_u_4ever:

Bu bu but pc gamers say the xbsx will be mid gen when the new card comes out

Mid gen my hoop

HAH

Apparently you dont ....

because if you did you would know the Xbox and PC share many of the same development tools and other aspects so the work and money needed is negligible. They are only dealing with three specs when it comes Xbox and three with Sony's consoles vs PC 's slew of configs.

For the last time your troll game is really weak and also if the engine is based off of being made for 30fps with higher fidelity then that's what they will do because in the console world most don't care only the hardcore even know what it's like to have 60fps. Don't question my tech knowledge i'm far beyond you I used to build PC'

s and gaming PC's for work. This is why I'm not even going to get drug into a weak troll rant with you because you butthurt your PS5 getting stomped by the XSX.

And yet the engine isnt capped on PC..... only because current consoles cant handle it. the fact that their still keeping the cap at 30 fps is a slap in the face for anyone how buys the game and play it on XSX or PS5. 4k 30 fps is a joke on high end hardware that could handle the workload.

well the RTX 2070 Super costs more than an entire PS5 will, so not really surprising. Now factor in an 8 core CPU, 4K blu-ray, NVMe.2 SSD etc. Great value.

No. Current consoles don't have a split RAM unless you count Pro's 1 GB DDR3 dedicated to OS and Original X1's 32MB ESRAM which is like a fast cache for GPU.

Also XSX don't have a split RAM either. It's just One pool of RAM is faster while the other is slower. As long as you can fit your assets in the faster pool you're fine but see decreased performance when it exceeds. Kinda like GTX 970 0.5GB.

No it's likely because to save money and time they are just going to keep it parity across the board on console.

Maybe it was the Xbox 360 and PS3 that had shared RAM between CPU and GPU, or maybe I'm just misremembering lol.

Anyway thank you for the explanation. Wasn't really too thrilled that the GTX 970 did that, but still a banging GPU for its price.

That's exactly what split RAM is.

They never really said it ran better then PS5. The PS5 was capped at 30 Tim Sweeney said it could ho well above that. But I have never seen them cap a game at 40 on consoles it's either 30 or 60.

Nope. Split RAM is where CPU or GPU can't access one pool. Both the CPU and GPU access the same pool of RAM simultaneously. It's just that both pools differ in speed.

Maybe it was the Xbox 360 and PS3 that had shared RAM between CPU and GPU, or maybe I'm just misremembering lol.

Anyway thank you for the explanation. Wasn't really too thrilled that the GTX 970 did that, but still a banging GPU for its price.

Yeah and the DRAM is different ie split. Split RAM allocation/pool. That's literally what they call it.

What Im talking about isnt about the size or how much room being for dedicated hardware for RT nor if their going to utilize the CU's along with it... but the fact that their architecture may not stall shader cores like what happens with RTX 2000 series. Which is why performance tanks in games so much on current RTX cards. Nvidia's ampere is suppose to fix the low gpu usage on the "normal" shader processors while RT is on.

Also the XSX's two speed ram config will not have the same affect as GTX 970's 512mb pool only having 24gb/s.

360 had a unified memory pool but PS3 was split in half between CPU and GPU.

Well, we are really arguing semantics now. I think what R4gn4r0k meant was if the memory is split between CPU and GPU which it isn't. I think dedicated RAM is probably a better word for what I'm describing.

The demo was up to 1440, meaning it was dropping resolution and we don't know how much. So, no it wouldn't have gone above 30FPS at all.

The engineer specifically said the same demo ran at 40+FPS on a year old laptop.

Simple breakdown in power and what to expect from PC and consoles.

https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-series-x-gpu-may-be-more-powerful-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-and-other-pc-gpus#:~:text=Microsoft%20revealed%20that%20the%20Xbox,that%20should%20also%20be%20considered.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/ps5-performance-could-be-trounced-by-a-decent-gaming-pc

save money..... is an excuse, it does not hardly any effort to port X1X to XSX. Hell Epic ported over gears 5 in a demo within a week with little to no optimization and had it performing on par with 2080..... Yet you repeated what I suggested before with "parity"......

We need to keep in mind that the XSX is early in dev kits and MS is notorious for not releasing big performance gain dev kit updates until around launch and shortly after launch. This is how MS kinda fooled devs months ago and likely Sony also with having the XSX kits running slow then more recently we obviously see some dev kit updates then all devs kinda changed their tone on now saying wow the XSX is more power.

Most devs say it is or at worst equal to it but we are so early in the dev kit cycle for the XSX. After launch the XSX will get big performance boost with updates.

Because we haven't seen anything about the RT/ML capabilities. How much die is dedicated to that? Also, if Epic's now deleted video about MaxQ performing better than PS5 for the UE5 demo is anything to go by, it doesn't paint a very good picture of XSX either.

Gears 5 wasn't even the most demanding game on PC. RDR 2 would have been a far better candidate to judge it.

Not saying it's impossible just there's not enough data on either side.

Okay, then I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about those RT cores also being able to help with rasterization performance. Yeah, it might be possible to not stall the GPU when RT is enabled. The other units can start working on a different frame while the RT is being calculated. That sounds plausible. Nevertheless, RT will have impact on the overall performance and we don't yet know the capabilities of PS5 and XSX GPU.

As for XSX different RAM speed, I never claimed it will hamper it so much or the other way. Just explained it's KINDA like 970.

What's the split RAM about that you mentioned?

AFAIK the current consoles, Xbox One and PS4, also use split RAM between GPU and CPU.

@i_own_u_4ever:

Bu bu but pc gamers say the xbsx will be mid gen when the new card comes out

Mid gen my hoop

HAH

For the last time your troll game is really weak and also if the engine is based off of being made for 30fps with higher fidelity then that's what they will do because in the console world most don't care only the hardcore even know what it's like to have 60fps. Don't question my tech knowledge i'm far beyond you I used to build PC's and gaming PC's for work. This is why I'm not even going to get drug into a weak troll rant with you because you butthurt your PS5 getting stomped by the XSX.

@fedor:

Erm nope

HaH

@xantufrog:

DF claim the XBSX is on par with the 2080,WC claim better than a 2080 super these are not a mid range grafix card now and won’t be when the 3080 hits shelves

But keep the laughs coming

Hermits HaH

Were di you pull this shit^? we know for sure DX12 improved shit on xbox one,and what MS really gain on the xbox one performance wise is because they gave back system reserved resources that were in place for Kinect,and the win was so little literaly nothing changed.

Please provide link to that bold part.

Dude the Max Q is not even better than the 5700 let alone the 5700XT,so common sense tell me the PS5 would beat it without problems.

This is one of the reason i say you are a console hater period,i don't think the PS5 will have problems topping the 5700 you do some how.

Nope. Split RAM is where CPU or GPU can't access one pool. Both the CPU and GPU access the same pool of RAM simultaneously. It's just that both pools differ in speed.

This thread definitely delivered.

With having 52cu's the XSX will have far superior RT over PS5 with that many cores they have the leg room and dedicated cores to clearly have the better RT solution. We will likely see in just about every DF comparison between PS5 and XSX that the XSX wins probably every time in RT as well as texture detail and resolution.

With further updates the OG X1 was able to have far more 1080p games. The Kinect power given back helped also but clearly MS released numerous performance updates this is why we started seeing many more games at 1080p on the OG X1.

Yes a bunch of miss information which i am find odd that you haven't question yet.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dude i would love to see this so call far superior which you pulled from deep deep down your buns.

In fact RT is a freaking demanding process if you abuse it on xbox series X you run the risc of having to lower resolution and frames well bellow the PS5,RT is expensive even on the top dog card on the market in fact hard enough to send the 2080TI into 1080p,so yeah i think that can be a scenario which may hurt the xbox,and before you say shit look at RE3 remake and how the xbox one X version had considerably worse frames than the PS4 Pro because Capcom try to push 4k or nothing,the gap was patch to improve frames and yeah resolution was drop closer to the Pro and the xbox one X version improved greatly,and that is a machine with 45% more power 4GB more of memory and faster memory as well.

The series X is just 18% stronger with the same amount of memory and with asymetrical memory speeds.

At the same resolution the xbox series X should have little better RT than the PS5,if they push RT to be much better on the series X something will have to be trade period,either frames or resolution.

No it did not stop inventing shit most games on xbox one simply aren't 1080p,many are not even 900p.

No the PS4 mantained its lead over the xbox without problem all generation long and no sdk changed that.

By the way were is the link to prove this thread information as non of your links prove that.

Yes a bunch of miss information which i am find odd that you haven't question yet.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dude i would love to see this so call far superior which you pulled from deep deep down your buns.

In fact RT is a freaking demanding process if you abuse it on xbox series X you run the risc of having to lower resolution and frames well bellow the PS5,RT is expensive even on the top dog card on the market in fact hard enough to send the 2080TI into 1080p,so yeah i think that can be a scenario which may hurt the xbox,and before you say shit look at RE3 remake and how the xbox one X version had considerably worse frames than the PS4 Pro because Capcom try to push 4k or nothing,the gap was patch to improve frames and yeah resolution was drop closer to the Pro and the xbox one X version improved greatly,and that is a machine with 45% more power 4GB more of memory and faster memory as well.

The series X is just 18% stronger with the same amount of memory and with asymetrical memory speeds.

At the same resolution the xbox series X should have little better RT than the PS5,if they push RT to be much better on the series X something will have to be trade period,either frames or resolution.

No it did not stop inventing shit most games on xbox one simply aren't 1080p,many are not even 900p.

No the PS4 mantained its lead over the xbox without problem all generation long and no sdk changed that.

By the way were is the link to prove this thread information as non of your links prove that.

Yes a bunch of miss information which i am find odd that you haven't question yet.¯\_(ツ)_/¯