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#1 phonemug
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Big names have come and gone. It was once Rare, Team Ninja, Naughty Dog, Crytek... but now the emerging name in the industry for graphical showcases is 343 Industries. MS has dug deep in their deep pockets to buy the most advanced graphics engines ever created which will be seen Halo 4. They are the ones to watch out for.

Youtube 343 special:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UL63Zo-uo

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Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.
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#3 Chrome-
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Yes with Halo 4 already becoming the new graphics king I cannot wait to see what 343 comes up with next gen.
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Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.FPSfan1985

Good thing that the next generation of consoles is coming this year.

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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.peterw007

Good thing that the next generation of consoles is coming this year.

Wii U is hardly next gen.
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#6 phonemug
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Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.FPSfan1985
Even the best looking PC games are usually only upported console games.

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#7 DeadMan1290
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Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.FPSfan1985

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#8 Ugalde-
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Who cares about graphics?
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#9 ShadowDeathX
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Meh....
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#10 phonemug
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.DeadMan1290

Yes really.

Crysis 2, BF3, Far Cry 3... all upported console games

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#11 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.phonemug

Even the best looking PC games are usually only upported console games.

How does that change anything? So somehow consoles getting the waterdown versions of games is a positive thing...?
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#12 HaloinventedFPS
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looks worse than Half life 2

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Personally I'm more interested in what Heavy Rain makers are working on, from the looks of it they totally showed up the guys who made project Noir. It's a shame they said Kara wont be a actual game and just a awesome demo of their capabillities.

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#14 phonemug
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looks worse than Half life 2

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:|

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#15 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.phonemug

Yes really.

Crysis 2, BF3, Far Cry 3... all upported console games

Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, and Far Cry 3 are all PC-lead games that were downported to consoles. Of course the game design of these games are limited by consoles, hence why it isn't PC-centric, but games are developed for PC first and later downported to consoles.

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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.FPSfan1985

Good thing that the next generation of consoles is coming this year.

Wii U is hardly next gen.

And you know this how?

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big names in graphics industry were and are ID,crytek,Epic at least they were until UT2k4 ( Unreal 1998 blew me away like no other game ), DICE and lately CD-Projekt
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WRINKLING KING AM CONFIRMED?

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#19 HaloinventedFPS
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Personally I'm more interested in what Heavy Rain makers are working on, from the looks of it they totally showed up the guys who made project Noir. It's a shame they said Kara wont be a actual game and just a awesome demo of their capabillities.

Jynxzor

there next game wont look like that unless its on PS4

the heavy rain tech demo looked much better than the final game

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#20 gamebreakerz__
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Yes really.

Crysis 2, BF3, Far Cry 3... all upported console games

phonemug

BF3 is native DX11 which consoles don't support.... So no, it was downported to console, same goes for TW2. Crysis 2 is designed with consoles in mind but the graphics on PC are still 10x better than the consoles. And anyway, who cares? Lems always claim ownage at 360 being better than PS3 at multiplats when in reality the differences are negligible compared to the huge advantage the PC has over both.

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#21 phonemug
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[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"]

ShadowDeathX

Yes really.

Crysis 2, BF3, Far Cry 3... all upported console games

Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, and Far Cry 3 are all PC-lead games that were downported to consoles. Of course the game design of these games are limited by consoles, hence why it isn't PC-centric, but games are developed for PC first and later downported to consoles.

That pretty much destroys PC gaming right there. Very few exclsuive engines specifically to take advantage of the hardware. Console versions are always kept in mind.

360 was the lead platform for most games this gen btw.

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#22 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

Good thing that the next generation of consoles is coming this year.

peterw007

Wii U is hardly next gen.

And you know this how?

The dozen or so statements from Nintendo like "We do not focus on technology specs".
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Looks good. Need to buy halo reach, and get back to halo series.

looks worse than Half life 2

HaloinventedFPS

But does hl2 have face wrinkling?

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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

looks worse than Half life 2

phonemug

:|

Half Life 2 + Mods:
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#25 ShadowMoses900
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You mispelled Naughty Dog wrong TC. I doubt Halo 4 will look on the same level as Killzone, not saying it's going to be a bad game but there I wouldn't hold my breath for it in the graphics department.

This is just like when Lems think Gears looks just as good as Uncharted 3, it's hilarious to watch people lie to themselves for comfort.

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#26 HaloinventedFPS
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]Yes really.

Crysis 2, BF3, Far Cry 3... all upported console games

phonemug

Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, and Far Cry 3 are all PC-lead games that were downported to consoles. Of course the game design of these games are limited by consoles, hence why it isn't PC-centric, but games are developed for PC first and later downported to consoles.

That pretty much destroys PC gaming right there. Very few exclsuive engines specifically to take advantage of the hardware. Console versions are always kept in mind.

guess that explains Serious Sam, Arma , Total War, Civ, MMO/RTS in general

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#27 Jynxzor
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there next game wont look like that unless its on PS4the heavy rain tech demo looked much better than the final gameHaloinventedFPS
Like I said I'm interested in the tech they are working with. They recreated the actress damn near picture perfectly. I'm very excited to see the day when people with real acting skill are required to make convincing characters due to motion and facial capture going to the next level.
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#28 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]Yes really.

Crysis 2, BF3, Far Cry 3... all upported console games

phonemug

Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, and Far Cry 3 are all PC-lead games that were downported to consoles. Of course the game design of these games are limited by consoles, hence why it isn't PC-centric, but games are developed for PC first and later downported to consoles.

That pretty much destroys PC gaming right there. Very few exclsuive engines specifically to take advantage of the hardware. Console versions are always kept in mind.

But yet they still look much better. I'm failing to see your point.
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#29 Rocker6
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Am I supposed to be impressed with something here? :|

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#31 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]Yes really.

Crysis 2, BF3, Far Cry 3... all upported console games

phonemug

Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, and Far Cry 3 are all PC-lead games that were downported to consoles. Of course the game design of these games are limited by consoles, hence why it isn't PC-centric, but games are developed for PC first and later downported to consoles.

That pretty much destroys PC gaming right there. Very few exclsuive engines specifically to take advantage of the hardware. Console versions are always kept in mind.

360 was the lead platform for most games this gen btw.

Who actually gives a crap? The games are significantly better in every aspect on the PC. You are getting a hugely downgraded experience and you seem perfectly fine with that, which is strange because like LoosingENDS it seems your #1 activity you enjoy is gaming and you are content with an average experience.
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#32 peterw007
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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] Wii U is hardly next gen.FPSfan1985

And you know this how?

The dozen or so statements from Nintendo like "We do not focus on technology specs".

They also said that when the GameCube was released, and it turned out to be one of the most powerful consoles released in the gen.

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#33 HaloinventedFPS
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Am I supposed to be impressed with something here? :|

Rocker6

No

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#34 phonemug
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You mispelled Naughty Dog wrong TC. I doubt Halo 4 will look on the same level as Killzone, not saying it's going to be a bad game but there I wouldn't hold my breath for it in the graphics department.

This is just like when Lems think Gears looks just as good as Uncharted 3, it's hilarious to watch people lie to themselves for comfort.

ShadowMoses900

Killzone? :lol:

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#35 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

And you know this how?

peterw007

The dozen or so statements from Nintendo like "We do not focus on technology specs".

They also said that when the GameCube was released, and it turned out to be one of the most powerful consoles released in the gen.

Gamecube was also release after the only peice of hardware it was more powerful than. If the specs for the next xbox are anywhere near true, the Wii U is already lost. It will have two GPUS, not in SLI, but working on two separate frames at once. That will destroy even PCs. I have high hopes for the next xbox if any of the leaked info is true. Thats what I expect from a next gen console. Or else I see no reason to upgrade. Not going to spend money on old tech.
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#36 Nohtnym
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Am I supposed to be impressed with something here? :|

Rocker6

No. 1:55, nothing impressive (looks good though). Animations are jerky too.

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#37 millerlight89
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Am I supposed to be impressed with something here? :|

Rocker6
I think so, but I'm not.
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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] The dozen or so statements from Nintendo like "We do not focus on technology specs".FPSfan1985

They also said that when the GameCube was released, and it turned out to be one of the most powerful consoles released in the gen.

Gamecube was also release after the only peice of hardware it was more powerful than. If the specs for the next xbox are anywhere near true, the Wii U is already lost. It will have two GPUS, not in SLI, but working on two separate frames at once. That will destroy even PCs. I have high hopes for the next xbox if any of the leaked info is true. Thats what I expect from a next gen console. Or else I see no reason to upgrade. Not going to spend money on old tech.

6670 is what is acrually uses, that rumor was from some fanboy xbox site

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You mispelled Naughty Dog wrong TC. I doubt Halo 4 will look on the same level as Killzone, not saying it's going to be a bad game but there I wouldn't hold my breath for it in the graphics department.

This is just like when Lems think Gears looks just as good as Uncharted 3, it's hilarious to watch people lie to themselves for comfort.

phonemug

Killzone? :lol:

From GS review "Killzone 3 is immediately striking for its gorgeous landscapes and glowing lighting, which provide a hostile, not-quite-familiar backdrop to the heart-pounding first-person firefights that often occur on the planet of Helghan" it also received the technically proficient graphics award, which no Halo game has ever gotten and Gears 3 did not get.
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#40 Joedgabe
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yeah.. well.. I always thought people that worked on graphics for movie industries where the real graphics pro. So nothing consoles dish out will impress me. Game graphics are irrelevant.... bring out good games for me to care more.

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#41 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] The dozen or so statements from Nintendo like "We do not focus on technology specs".FPSfan1985

They also said that when the GameCube was released, and it turned out to be one of the most powerful consoles released in the gen.

Gamecube was also release after the only peice of hardware it was more powerful than. If the specs for the next xbox are anywhere near true, the Wii U is already lost. It will have two GPUS, not in SLI, but working on two separate frames at once. That will destroy even PCs. I have high hopes for the next xbox if any of the leaked info is true. Thats what I expect from a next gen console. Or else I see no reason to upgrade. Not going to spend money on old tech.

If those rumors are true you are going to be dropping A LOT of cash for the nextbox. Either way a 4 core AMD APU with another graphics card won't come close to the most high end PC's, and will be obsolete less than halfway into the gen like the 360 was this gen.
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#42 phonemug
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[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"] Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, and Far Cry 3 are all PC-lead games that were downported to consoles. Of course the game design of these games are limited by consoles, hence why it isn't PC-centric, but games are developed for PC first and later downported to consoles.

gamebreakerz__

That pretty much destroys PC gaming right there. Very few exclsuive engines specifically to take advantage of the hardware. Console versions are always kept in mind.

360 was the lead platform for most games this gen btw.

Who actually gives a crap? The games are significantly better in every aspect on the PC. You are getting a hugely downgraded experience and you seem perfectly fine with that, which is strange because like LoosingENDS it seems your #1 activity you enjoy is gaming and you are content with an average experience.

Nonsense. The games are built with the same engines and the differences are minimal. 10 x better is a complete and utter nonsense fabrication.

Vastly better looking games can only be created on vastly better engines. Not the same engies with better IQ.

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#43 R4gn4r0k
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Am I supposed to be impressed with something here? :|

Rocker6

I don't know :?

How is this the new graphics king lemmings ?

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#44 phonemug
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

They also said that when the GameCube was released, and it turned out to be one of the most powerful consoles released in the gen.

gamebreakerz__

Gamecube was also release after the only peice of hardware it was more powerful than. If the specs for the next xbox are anywhere near true, the Wii U is already lost. It will have two GPUS, not in SLI, but working on two separate frames at once. That will destroy even PCs. I have high hopes for the next xbox if any of the leaked info is true. Thats what I expect from a next gen console. Or else I see no reason to upgrade. Not going to spend money on old tech.

If those rumors are true you are going to be dropping A LOT of cash for the nextbox. Either way a 4 core AMD APU with another graphics card won't come close to the most high end PC's, and will be obsolete less than halfway into the gen like the 360 was this gen.

Why do PC gamers always fail to neglect that consoles have closed box architectures and get much better performance than PC's with equal spec as a result?

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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="phonemug"]That pretty much destroys PC gaming right there. Very few exclsuive engines specifically to take advantage of the hardware. Console versions are always kept in mind.

360 was the lead platform for most games this gen btw.

phonemug

Who actually gives a crap? The games are significantly better in every aspect on the PC. You are getting a hugely downgraded experience and you seem perfectly fine with that, which is strange because like LoosingENDS it seems your #1 activity you enjoy is gaming and you are content with an average experience.

Nonsense. The games are built with the same engines and the differences are minimal. 10 x better is a complete and utter nonsense fabrication.

Vastly better looking games can only be created on vastly better engines. Not the same engies with better IQ.

Yeah.... No. Consoles have 0x or 2x AA, PC's have up to 16x. Consoles have 0xAF, PC's have 32xAF, consoles have 720p (but usually less), PC's have 1080p (and often more) which has more than 2x the amount of pixels and therefore maximum detail that can be displayed. Not to mention many lighting effects and physics effects that simply could not be used on consoles due to graphics limitations. How about you get a gaming PC with a good gaming monitor (laptop or crap monitors do not do PC gaming screens justice) then make a judgement. Unlike the vast majority of hermits, console fanboys do not own both gaming PC's and consoles.
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] Gamecube was also release after the only peice of hardware it was more powerful than. If the specs for the next xbox are anywhere near true, the Wii U is already lost. It will have two GPUS, not in SLI, but working on two separate frames at once. That will destroy even PCs. I have high hopes for the next xbox if any of the leaked info is true. Thats what I expect from a next gen console. Or else I see no reason to upgrade. Not going to spend money on old tech.phonemug

If those rumors are true you are going to be dropping A LOT of cash for the nextbox. Either way a 4 core AMD APU with another graphics card won't come close to the most high end PC's, and will be obsolete less than halfway into the gen like the 360 was this gen.

Why do PC gamers always fail to neglect that consoles have closed box architectures and get much better performance than PC's with equal spec as a result?

PC gamers also fail to realize that careful optimization can make games released on consoles with abysmal specs (Xbox 360, PS3), quite respectable in terms of visuals.

It's amazing what the current consoles are able to do, considering how absolutely ancient their tech is.

Even if the specs for consoles are not that great next gen, they'll still be able to achieve incredible things.

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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] Gamecube was also release after the only peice of hardware it was more powerful than. If the specs for the next xbox are anywhere near true, the Wii U is already lost. It will have two GPUS, not in SLI, but working on two separate frames at once. That will destroy even PCs. I have high hopes for the next xbox if any of the leaked info is true. Thats what I expect from a next gen console. Or else I see no reason to upgrade. Not going to spend money on old tech.phonemug

If those rumors are true you are going to be dropping A LOT of cash for the nextbox. Either way a 4 core AMD APU with another graphics card won't come close to the most high end PC's, and will be obsolete less than halfway into the gen like the 360 was this gen.

Why do PC gamers always fail to neglect that consoles have closed box architectures and get much better performance than PC's with equal spec as a result?

But it's not even close to equal spec.
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#48 adamosmaki
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] Gamecube was also release after the only peice of hardware it was more powerful than. If the specs for the next xbox are anywhere near true, the Wii U is already lost. It will have two GPUS, not in SLI, but working on two separate frames at once. That will destroy even PCs. I have high hopes for the next xbox if any of the leaked info is true. Thats what I expect from a next gen console. Or else I see no reason to upgrade. Not going to spend money on old tech.phonemug

If those rumors are true you are going to be dropping A LOT of cash for the nextbox. Either way a 4 core AMD APU with another graphics card won't come close to the most high end PC's, and will be obsolete less than halfway into the gen like the 360 was this gen.

Why do PC gamers always fail to neglect that consoles have closed box architectures and get much better performance than PC's with equal spec as a result?

and why console gamers fail to neglect no matter how you optimize your game a 7800gt or in the case of xbox an X1900 wont become a $130 gtx460 let alone a gtx680. Heck it wont even come close to something like a 4year old 8800gt . Optimize it as much as you want but it will never come close to something that offers at least 3x its performance ( and thats an 8800gtx i'm not even gonna discuss how much faster a gtx460 or better gpus are )
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#49 phonemug
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[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] If those rumors are true you are going to be dropping A LOT of cash for the nextbox. Either way a 4 core AMD APU with another graphics card won't come close to the most high end PC's, and will be obsolete less than halfway into the gen like the 360 was this gen.gamebreakerz__

Why do PC gamers always fail to neglect that consoles have closed box architectures and get much better performance than PC's with equal spec as a result?

But it's not even close to equal spec.

It's not even close to equal performance either.

That's why a cheap 6 year old Xbox can run the Witcher 2 on better than medium settings.

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#50 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] If those rumors are true you are going to be dropping A LOT of cash for the nextbox. Either way a 4 core AMD APU with another graphics card won't come close to the most high end PC's, and will be obsolete less than halfway into the gen like the 360 was this gen.peterw007

Why do PC gamers always fail to neglect that consoles have closed box architectures and get much better performance than PC's with equal spec as a result?

PC gamers also fail to realize that careful optimization can make games released on consoles with abysmal specs (Xbox 360, PS3), quite respectable in terms of visuals.

It's amazing what the current consoles are able to do, considering how absolutely ancient their tech is.

Even if the specs for consoles are not that great next gen, they'll still be able to achieve amazing things.

So? Just get as much raw power as possible and that's not an issue. Point is you CAN upgrade your PC to get the best, with consoles you can't. I don't care if I spend more on hardware, I want the best gaming experience because I like gaming, and console gamers are missing out.