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#101 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] Let's just say for the sake of argument it becomes console graphics king. Nobody cares, it still looks crap.

Doesn't look anything like such, why are you fighting fanboyism with fanboyism? :[

Because I can't stand console games with the whole jaggy fest going on. No matter how good the textures and lighting are, low res+no AA looks like garbage to me.
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#102 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] Let's just say for the sake of argument it becomes console graphics king. Nobody cares, it still looks crap.

Doesn't look anything like such, why are you fighting fanboyism with fanboyism? :[

Because I can't stand console games with the whole jaggy fest going on. No matter how good the textures and lighting are, low res+no AA looks like garbage to me.

Well, that's just silly.
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#103 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] Doesn't look anything like such, why are you fighting fanboyism with fanboyism? :[

Because I can't stand console games with the whole jaggy fest going on. No matter how good the textures and lighting are, low res+no AA looks like garbage to me.

Well, that's just silly.

I never really noticed it before I started gaming on PC, but when I did I just can't go back.
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#104 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="phonemug"] It's basically Kinect 2. Plus there is no way it will have more power than an 8 core, dual GPU setup. Unless you want to pay $1000+ for your next console, they can't optimize it perfectly with launch games.

I don't know if the leak is true or not. But what I will say is that if they are, it will crush a SLI setup. Two GPUs working interdependently of one another is something PC gamers have wanted since SLI first came out, and would completely change the amount of detail a game could hold. It would completely crush your average PC. FOr how long, that depends completely on how powerful those GPUS are. Which are RUMORED to be the new AMD chipsets.

you do know by the time 720 comes out that "new" amd GPU wont be so new anymore? Also have them work how ever you want a 7670 or something similar in power ( which is the most likely MS will go to if they dont want 720 to cost $600 and have rrod problems again ) along with an APU wont magically turn into a 7850 or something better or whatever mid-range Gpu's are gonna be in the market by the time 720 will come out ( i'm not gonna even mention high end gpus like 7970/gtx 680 )

I don't think you understand the significance in have two gpus working independently of one another. If that were possible in PCs today you would see people with two 8800gt maxing out BF3.
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#105 phonemug
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The flood of jealous hermits in this thread is humorous.

PC gamers are jealous that all the top graphic talent in the industry are busy making exclusive titles for consoles while they all get shafted with multiplat engines because the PC gaming market is so small.

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#106 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] Let's just say for the sake of argument it becomes console graphics king. Nobody cares, it still looks crap.

Doesn't look anything like such, why are you fighting fanboyism with fanboyism? :[

Because I can't stand console games with the whole jaggy fest going on. No matter how good the textures and lighting are, low res+no AA looks like garbage to me.

I can deal with that, what I can't deal with is the 30FPS. Having been playing on a 120hz monitor the last year, going back to 30FPS is a nightmare.
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#107 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] I don't know if the leak is true or not. But what I will say is that if they are, it will crush a SLI setup. Two GPUs working interdependently of one another is something PC gamers have wanted since SLI first came out, and would completely change the amount of detail a game could hold. It would completely crush your average PC. FOr how long, that depends completely on how powerful those GPUS are. Which are RUMORED to be the new AMD chipsets.

you do know by the time 720 comes out that "new" amd GPU wont be so new anymore? Also have them work how ever you want a 7670 or something similar in power ( which is the most likely MS will go to if they dont want 720 to cost $600 and have rrod problems again ) along with an APU wont magically turn into a 7850 or something better or whatever mid-range Gpu's are gonna be in the market by the time 720 will come out ( i'm not gonna even mention high end gpus like 7970/gtx 680 )

I don't think you understand the significance in have two gpus working independently of one another. If that were possible in PCs today you would see people with two 8800gt maxing out BF3.

No, because even 2 GPU's wouldn't double performance because you are not doubling CPU/RAM etc. Even if they did you wouldn't see two 8800gt hitting 60FPS+ on BF3 on Ultra, which is maxing out.
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#108 FPSfan1985
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The flood of jealous hermits in this thread is humorous.

PC gamers are so jealous that all the top graphic talent in the industry are busy making exclsuive titles for consoles while they all get shafted with multiplat engines because the PC gaming market is so small.

phonemug
Meh, I'll take The Creative Assembly over every other dev out there anyday.
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#109 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] Doesn't look anything like such, why are you fighting fanboyism with fanboyism? :[

Because I can't stand console games with the whole jaggy fest going on. No matter how good the textures and lighting are, low res+no AA looks like garbage to me.

I can deal with that, what I can't deal with is the 30FPS. Having been playing on a 120hz monitor the last year, going back to 30FPS is a nightmare.

Yeah I just got a 120Hz monitor and it's crazy smooth.
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#110 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] you do know by the time 720 comes out that "new" amd GPU wont be so new anymore? Also have them work how ever you want a 7670 or something similar in power ( which is the most likely MS will go to if they dont want 720 to cost $600 and have rrod problems again ) along with an APU wont magically turn into a 7850 or something better or whatever mid-range Gpu's are gonna be in the market by the time 720 will come out ( i'm not gonna even mention high end gpus like 7970/gtx 680 )

I don't think you understand the significance in have two gpus working independently of one another. If that were possible in PCs today you would see people with two 8800gt maxing out BF3.

No, because even 2 GPU's wouldn't double performance because you are not doubling CPU/RAM etc. Even if they did you wouldn't see two 8800gt hitting 60FPS+ on BF3 on Ultra, which is maxing out.

Yes you would having the option for one to work on post prepossessing and the other actually rendering the frame. How it works now it would be impossible.
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The flood of jealous hermits in this thread is humorous.

PC gamers are jealous that all the top graphic talent in the industry are busy making exclusive titles for consoles while they all get shafted with multiplat engines because the PC gaming market is so small.

phonemug

lol you really want some attention don't ya?

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#112 adamosmaki
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] I don't know if the leak is true or not. But what I will say is that if they are, it will crush a SLI setup. Two GPUs working interdependently of one another is something PC gamers have wanted since SLI first came out, and would completely change the amount of detail a game could hold. It would completely crush your average PC. FOr how long, that depends completely on how powerful those GPUS are. Which are RUMORED to be the new AMD chipsets.

you do know by the time 720 comes out that "new" amd GPU wont be so new anymore? Also have them work how ever you want a 7670 or something similar in power ( which is the most likely MS will go to if they dont want 720 to cost $600 and have rrod problems again ) along with an APU wont magically turn into a 7850 or something better or whatever mid-range Gpu's are gonna be in the market by the time 720 will come out ( i'm not gonna even mention high end gpus like 7970/gtx 680 )

I don't think you understand the significance in have two gpus working independently of one another. If that were possible in PCs today you would see people with two 8800gt maxing out BF3.

Then explain us . Do you even know what you are talking about? Sli and Crossfire have come a long way and in some games when using 2 gpus you can see 80-90% performance increase . So how exactly 2 gpus working independently are gonna offer more than 100% performance increase over 1 gpu ? Is it magic or something ? Enlighten us please
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#113 gamebreakerz__
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The flood of jealous hermits in this thread is humorous.

PC gamers are jealous that all the top graphic talent in the industry are busy making exclusive titles for consoles while they all get shafted with multiplat engines because the PC gaming market is so small.

phonemug
343 is not anywhere near top talent. That goes to CDPR as far as I'm concerned, who are very much still PC centric developers.
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#114 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] I don't think you understand the significance in have two gpus working independently of one another. If that were possible in PCs today you would see people with two 8800gt maxing out BF3.

No, because even 2 GPU's wouldn't double performance because you are not doubling CPU/RAM etc. Even if they did you wouldn't see two 8800gt hitting 60FPS+ on BF3 on Ultra, which is maxing out.

Yes you would having the option for one to work on post prepossessing and the other actually rendering the frame. How it works now it would be impossible.

You simply cannot get more than a 100% increase. The inefficiencies always mean you can't. Plus once again the CPU still has to do work you can't offload to a GPU and it's only a quad core AMD which is not that great.
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The flood of jealous hermits in this thread is humorous.

PC gamers are jealous that all the top graphic talent in the industry are busy making exclusive titles for consoles while they all get shafted with multiplat engines because the PC gaming market is so small.

phonemug

No, they're not. I'm generally a console gamer, while play few games on my PC, I have say that PC games definitely looks better, even when they're console ports. Have you seen Crysis running on PC, GTA IV with graphic mods? And not to mention some of the games looks a lot better if they're developed primarily for PC.

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#116 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] you do know by the time 720 comes out that "new" amd GPU wont be so new anymore? Also have them work how ever you want a 7670 or something similar in power ( which is the most likely MS will go to if they dont want 720 to cost $600 and have rrod problems again ) along with an APU wont magically turn into a 7850 or something better or whatever mid-range Gpu's are gonna be in the market by the time 720 will come out ( i'm not gonna even mention high end gpus like 7970/gtx 680 )

I don't think you understand the significance in have two gpus working independently of one another. If that were possible in PCs today you would see people with two 8800gt maxing out BF3.

Then explain us . Do you even know what you are talking about? Sli and Crossfire have come a long way and in some games when using 2 gpus you can see 80-90% performance increase . So how exactly 2 gpus working independently are gonna offer more than 100% performance increase over 1 gpu ? Is it magic or something ? Enlighten us please

It's due to how SLI and Crossfire work. All they are doing is splitting an entire frame in half(There are many ways to do this) and having one card render one half while the other renders the other have. But with the next xbox is the rumors are true you could have one card worry about just the most taxing features, while the other renders the basic frame. There would be no wasted time. Unlike with SLI and Crossfire.
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#117 phonemug
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[QUOTE="phonemug"]

The flood of jealous hermits in this thread is humorous.

PC gamers are jealous that all the top graphic talent in the industry are busy making exclusive titles for consoles while they all get shafted with multiplat engines because the PC gaming market is so small.

gamebreakerz__

343 is not anywhere near top talent. That goes to CDPR as far as I'm concerned, who are very much still PC centric developers.

lol CDPR is a low buget, small time polish operation that have ditched PC gamers like a bad habit as soon as they got any recognition and WB stepped in to publish their games.

Comparing them to a mega budget studio like 343 is laughable.

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thats not impressive....
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[QUOTE="phonemug"]

The flood of jealous hermits in this thread is humorous.

PC gamers are jealous that all the top graphic talent in the industry are busy making exclusive titles for consoles while they all get shafted with multiplat engines because the PC gaming market is so small.

gamebreakerz__

343 is not anywhere near top talent. That goes to CDPR as far as I'm concerned, who are very much still PC centric developers.

Is this a joke? Have you seen who actually works at 343i? There is 250 guys there, and studios they come from is this : Retro, ND, SSM, GG, iD, Rockstar, Bungie, Pandemic, Kojima, Pixar, Gearbox, T10, Bethesda, EA, Ubisoft, Raven,Sony Pictures Imageworks, Square Enix, 2K Marinetc. They are most talent packed studio in the world

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#121 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] No, because even 2 GPU's wouldn't double performance because you are not doubling CPU/RAM etc. Even if they did you wouldn't see two 8800gt hitting 60FPS+ on BF3 on Ultra, which is maxing out.

Yes you would having the option for one to work on post prepossessing and the other actually rendering the frame. How it works now it would be impossible.

You simply cannot get more than a 100% increase. The inefficiencies always mean you can't. Plus once again the CPU still has to do work you can't offload to a GPU and it's only a quad core AMD which is not that great.

CPU will be fine. CPU are taxed nearly as hard as GOUs in gaming. Unless you're talking about something like a RTS/MMO, where it's having to calculate hundreds/thousands of object positions at once.
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#122 adamosmaki
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] I don't think you understand the significance in have two gpus working independently of one another. If that were possible in PCs today you would see people with two 8800gt maxing out BF3.

Then explain us . Do you even know what you are talking about? Sli and Crossfire have come a long way and in some games when using 2 gpus you can see 80-90% performance increase . So how exactly 2 gpus working independently are gonna offer more than 100% performance increase over 1 gpu ? Is it magic or something ? Enlighten us please

It's due to how SLI and Crossfire work. All they are doing is splitting an entire frame in half(There are many ways to do this) and having one card render one half while the other renders the other have. But with the next xbox is the rumors are true you could have one card worry about just the most taxing features, while the other renders the basic frame. There would be no wasted time. Unlike with SLI and Crossfire.

i'm gonna say it again. SLI and crossifre came to point where they offer 80-90% increase in performance in alot of games. How much more does this new way you are saying is gonna go 90-95% ( beacuse no tech is 100% efficient ). So how exactly a low/mid end gpu like a 7670 that a 720 will most likely have with an APU are gonna destroy a card like a 7870 ( let alone 79xx and gtx680 and let alone whatever new nvidia/amd card are gonna be out by the time 720 comes out )
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="phonemug"]

The flood of jealous hermits in this thread is humorous.

PC gamers are jealous that all the top graphic talent in the industry are busy making exclusive titles for consoles while they all get shafted with multiplat engines because the PC gaming market is so small.

phonemug

343 is not anywhere near top talent. That goes to CDPR as far as I'm concerned, who are very much still PC centric developers.

lol CDPR is a low buget, small time polish operation that have ditched PC gamers like a bad habit as soon as they got any recognition and WB stepped in to publish their games.

Comparing them to a mega budget studio like 343 is laughable.

They're not that small.

CD Projekt RED has 112+ people in their development staff.

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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="phonemug"]

The flood of jealous hermits in this thread is humorous.

PC gamers are jealous that all the top graphic talent in the industry are busy making exclusive titles for consoles while they all get shafted with multiplat engines because the PC gaming market is so small.

Bus-A-Bus

343 is not anywhere near top talent. That goes to CDPR as far as I'm concerned, who are very much still PC centric developers.

Is this a joke? Have you seen who actually works at 343i? There is 250 guys there, and studios they come from is this : Retro, ND, SSM, GG, iD, Rockstar, Bungie, Pandemic, Kojima, Pixar, Gearbox, T10, Bethesda, EA, Ubisoft, Raven,Sony Pictures Imageworks, Square Enix, 2K Marinetc. They are most talent packed studio in the world

No that's ND again, sorry. Only thing 343 has done was an HD remake with some new grapics, they didn't even bother to ge the MP right either. It's not origonal Halo MP it's just Reach MP. I think MS is just going to milk Halo like COD, wait for Halo 5 to come out next year, then Halo 6 the following year, then Halo 7 and so on....

Hopefully that won't be the case, but hyping Halo 4 for graphics is just going to fail. They should be hyping it for gameplay, let's just hope the campaign is good like Reach and not boring like Halo 3.

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#125 phonemug
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[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] 343 is not anywhere near top talent. That goes to CDPR as far as I'm concerned, who are very much still PC centric developers.ShadowMoses900

Is this a joke? Have you seen who actually works at 343i? There is 250 guys there, and studios they come from is this : Retro, ND, SSM, GG, iD, Rockstar, Bungie, Pandemic, Kojima, Pixar, Gearbox, T10, Bethesda, EA, Ubisoft, Raven,Sony Pictures Imageworks, Square Enix, 2K Marinetc. They are most talent packed studio in the world

No that's ND again, sorry. Only thing 343 has done was an HD remake with some new grapics, they didn't even bother to ge the MP right either. It's not origonal Halo MP it's just Reach MP. I think MS is just going to milk Halo like COD, wait for Halo 5 to come out next year, then Halo 6 the following year, then Halo 7 and so on....

Hopefully that won't be the case, but hyping Halo 4 for graphics is just going to fail. They should be hyping it for gameplay, let's just hope the campaign is good like Reach and not boring like Halo 3.

You're the guy who has been hyping Killzone graphics. Killzone 3 is an ugly mess by todays standards.

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#126 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] Then explain us . Do you even know what you are talking about? Sli and Crossfire have come a long way and in some games when using 2 gpus you can see 80-90% performance increase . So how exactly 2 gpus working independently are gonna offer more than 100% performance increase over 1 gpu ? Is it magic or something ? Enlighten us please

It's due to how SLI and Crossfire work. All they are doing is splitting an entire frame in half(There are many ways to do this) and having one card render one half while the other renders the other have. But with the next xbox is the rumors are true you could have one card worry about just the most taxing features, while the other renders the basic frame. There would be no wasted time. Unlike with SLI and Crossfire.

i'm gonna say it again. SLI and crossifre came to point where they offer 80-90% increase in performance in alot of games. How much more does this new way you are saying is gonna go 90-95% ( beacuse no tech is 100% efficient ). So how exactly a low/mid end gpu like a 7670 that a 720 will most likely have with an APU are gonna destroy a card like a 7870 ( let alone 79xx and gtx680 and let alone whatever new nvidia/amd card are gonna be out by the time 720 comes out )

Because they aren't restricted in the same ways two cards in SLI are. So not only will you have two cards working at 100% consistently, they will also work more efficiently. On top of that the games will be made with only those cards in mind further increasing efficiency.
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[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] 343 is not anywhere near top talent. That goes to CDPR as far as I'm concerned, who are very much still PC centric developers.ShadowMoses900

Is this a joke? Have you seen who actually works at 343i? There is 250 guys there, and studios they come from is this : Retro, ND, SSM, GG, iD, Rockstar, Bungie, Pandemic, Kojima, Pixar, Gearbox, T10, Bethesda, EA, Ubisoft, Raven,Sony Pictures Imageworks, Square Enix, 2K Marinetc. They are most talent packed studio in the world

No that's ND again, sorry. Only thing 343 has done was an HD remake with some new grapics, they didn't even bother to ge the MP right either. It's not origonal Halo MP it's just Reach MP. I think MS is just going to milk Halo like COD, wait for Halo 5 to come out next year, then Halo 6 the following year, then Halo 7 and so on....

Hopefully that won't be the case, but hyping Halo 4 for graphics is just going to fail. They should be hyping it for gameplay, let's just hope the campaign is good like Reach and not boring like Halo 3.

There are like 6 halo games on the 360, hype it for gameplay? Unlike COD, Halo might actually not have much left it can improve on the 360 until the new consoles come out. COD is actually getting worse in many aspects from previous games, which makes no sense.
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And their voices rose in a fevered cry of...

Meh.

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#130 arto1223
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They do some crappy wrinkles for faces and they are THE developer to watch? Also, the game is a console game... so it still will not be able to be as good as games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Shattered Horizon, Crysis, Crysis 2 DX11, Shogun 2, BF3 DX11, GTA IV w/ Icenhancer, or a few other titles (actually any game that has 1080+ and an unlocked frame-rate). Console devs are always limited by the hardware. The first half of the gen they work on understanding the hardware to make games that actually look better and then the last half of the gen to learn shortcuts and tricks to make them look good (like what the CoD games do. Those games look like butt whole, but somehow people think they look good).

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#131 PhazonBlazer
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Yeah, LA Noire had better facial animations.

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#132 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Is this a joke? Have you seen who actually works at 343i? There is 250 guys there, and studios they come from is this : Retro, ND, SSM, GG, iD, Rockstar, Bungie, Pandemic, Kojima, Pixar, Gearbox, T10, Bethesda, EA, Ubisoft, Raven,Sony Pictures Imageworks, Square Enix, 2K Marinetc. They are most talent packed studio in the world

Another48hours

No that's ND again, sorry. Only thing 343 has done was an HD remake with some new grapics, they didn't even bother to ge the MP right either. It's not origonal Halo MP it's just Reach MP. I think MS is just going to milk Halo like COD, wait for Halo 5 to come out next year, then Halo 6 the following year, then Halo 7 and so on....

Hopefully that won't be the case, but hyping Halo 4 for graphics is just going to fail. They should be hyping it for gameplay, let's just hope the campaign is good like Reach and not boring like Halo 3.

There are like 6 halo games on the 360, hype it for gameplay? Unlike COD, Halo might actually not have much left it can improve on the 360 until the new consoles come out. COD is actually getting worse in many aspects from previous games, which makes no sense.

Well if they just make it like Reach I'll be happy, Reach was so much better than Halo 3 IMO. The campaign was pretty good and it had variety, and the MP had a ton of features and unique gameplay from the older games.

I think there is still some new stuff they can do, but I personally have gotten a little tired of Halo over the years. And it's no longer the giant it once was, I think reviewers are going to be a little more criticle of this game.

I do find it funny though how Lemmings say exclusives don't matter, but when they get one they hype the crap out of it! Keep in mind I'm not a Halo basher, I don't hate the game and I don't really hate Xbox, but I would like to see something new for Xbox besides Halo. I just have gotten kind of tired of it now.

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#133 kraken2109
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] It's due to how SLI and Crossfire work. All they are doing is splitting an entire frame in half(There are many ways to do this) and having one card render one half while the other renders the other have. But with the next xbox is the rumors are true you could have one card worry about just the most taxing features, while the other renders the basic frame. There would be no wasted time. Unlike with SLI and Crossfire.

i'm gonna say it again. SLI and crossifre came to point where they offer 80-90% increase in performance in alot of games. How much more does this new way you are saying is gonna go 90-95% ( beacuse no tech is 100% efficient ). So how exactly a low/mid end gpu like a 7670 that a 720 will most likely have with an APU are gonna destroy a card like a 7870 ( let alone 79xx and gtx680 and let alone whatever new nvidia/amd card are gonna be out by the time 720 comes out )

Because they aren't restricted in the same ways two cards in SLI are. So not only will you have two cards working at 100% consistently, they will also work more efficiently. On top of that the games will be made with only those cards in mind further increasing efficiency.

You can get the most out of a weak card, but optimisation will only get you so far.
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#134 Basinboy
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Big names have come & gone (Crytek, Naughty Dog)? They are actually very much still around.

Albeit I wouldn't mind the going of this troll. So much waste of human potential.

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#135 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.phonemug

Yes really.

Crysis 2, BF3, Far Cry 3... all upported console games

Crysis, Witcher 2, ARMA....just a few

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#136 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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So I assume this is based on tech demoes? In which case most of us allready are aware that what we see ain't what we get.

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#137 loosingENDS
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Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.FPSfan1985

Yet Halo 4 and Gears 3 look better than 99.99999% of PC games

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#138 FPSfan1985
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.loosingENDS

Yet Halo 4 and Gears 3 look better than 99.99999% of PC games

You got to be clowning. Gears of War 1 on PC looks better than every console game out there. And its like 4 years old.

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#139 zekere
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Great, now all Master Chief needs is a face. I'll laugh at a moving helmet :D

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#140 casharmy
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that's supposed to be impressive... a tech demo?

finished game from 2010...compared what you are showing which is about on the level of what MGS4 did in 2008. I guess for a halo game it must seem like a revolution to you but not everyone is restricted the standards that 360 has been limited to.

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#141 ChubbyGuy40
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Yet Halo 4 and Gears 3 look better than 99.99999% of PC games

loosingENDS

Only in your twisted, little world. In reality, they can't even match games from 2007.

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#142 HaloPimp978
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Looks sloppy. KARA tech demo is way better.

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#143 worknow222
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And this is were humanityflourishes arguing about Graphics, and such, well I dont know about you but I think my snes needs some playing,

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#144 brofists
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Obvious troll thread from a known M$ paid poster is obvious! 343 hasn't had one game to their name to prove all this insane hype. At this point, I'm taking anything that you(proven xbot shill) have to say.... OR anything that the gaming media whores deep into the pocket books of M$ have to say.... ....about anything regarding Halo 4 or 343 WITH a tiny grain of microscopic salt. They are going to have to prove themselves to me first and foremost. The PROVEN names in the industry remain... Naughty Dog, whom are one of the current best, if not the best current developers in the game. They(ND) already have an outstanding resume of excellency, and they are still in their prime, with many more years to come - to add even further to their already stellar legacy. Rocksteady.....for their amazing work on batman... And then there are the old dogs, but still greats like Valve, Blizzard ect Oh and before I finish up on this cold hard plate of xbot ownage, Let me say, The facial tech in Uncharted 3(and even in La Noire) already DESTROY that lame looking tech in Halo 4. I'm sorry xbot, but the only thing Halo 4 is going to be getting awards for, is for being the most milked to the death franchise in the history of gaming, along with Call of Duty......and bam....! Now, you can self-destruc xbot. You've been dealt with. There's no further use for you.
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#145 brofists
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Looks sloppy. KARA tech demo is way better.

HaloPimp978
THIS , THIS, AND THIS .....a million times over haha:)
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#146 brofists
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Yes with Halo 4 already becoming the new graphics king I cannot wait to see what 343 comes up with next gen.Chrome-
lol you must be smoking some of that crack, or be sipping on the M$ kool-aide HARD. You sip so much M$ kool-aide, you probably only piss M$ kool-aide now! Just like your fellow xbot Abonsabo/PhoneMug Halo 4 doesn't look better then Killzone 2 from 2007. Let alone is it the best looking game currently. lol xbot trolls
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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]Meh they work on consoles. No one cares about console graphics.loosingENDS

Yet Halo 4 and Gears 3 look better than 99.99999% of PC games

Halo 4 isn't even out yet and no, Gears 3 does not look better. You clearly think it does, but from a technical standpoint and non-idiot standpoint, it isn't. It isn't even in 1080 or over 30fps and it is on the Unreal Engine 3, which is sad. Both Batman AC and Blacklight: Retribution on the PC look better and play better than Gears 3.

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#148 phonemug
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Cows and Hermit trolls are damage controlling hard :lol:

Cows - you will never see a game this good looking on your consoles

Hermits - All you get is multiplats, no developer will ever spend this much money to create and engine for an and exclusive PC game built around its stengths because the PC gaming market is weak

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#149 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="phonemug"]

The flood of jealous hermits in this thread is humorous.

PC gamers are jealous that all the top graphic talent in the industry are busy making exclusive titles for consoles while they all get shafted with multiplat engines because the PC gaming market is so small.

phonemug

343 is not anywhere near top talent. That goes to CDPR as far as I'm concerned, who are very much still PC centric developers.

lol CDPR is a low buget, small time polish operation that have ditched PC gamers like a bad habit as soon as they got any recognition and WB stepped in to publish their games.

Comparing them to a mega budget studio like 343 is laughable.

Who cares if it's low budget, they have shown they can produce the best graphics on a low budget. I bet that 80% of Halo's budget will go to marketing. And they have no abandoned the PC. All future games will be made entirely for PC and ported to console.
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#150 gamebreakerz__
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Cows and Hermit trolls are damage controlling hard :lol:

Cows - you will never see a game this good looking on your consoles

Hermits - All you get is multiplats, no developer will ever spend this much money to create and engine for an and exclusive PC game built around its stengths because the PC gaming market is weak

phonemug
I'm going to laugh when, just like with Halo Reach and Halo 3, the lems disappeared from all graphics discussions for months. NOBODY CARES IF PC GAMES ARE EXCLUSIVE. As long as they are designed for PC it's all good. Not to mention multiplats on PC are significantly better in every aspect than consoles, making it worthwhile anyway.