360 couldnt survive without PC multiplates

You are correct, they couldn't survive without their main business strategy. Who knew?

Ps3 and Nintendo lack something 360 has. Pc-console games. But lately it seems as if microsoft has been relying a little to heavily on these cross platform games. While it makes sense to own a pc and something like a wii or ps3 It doesn't apper like a good investment to go PC-360 due to the many games made better on pc. For the past 2 years 360 has been lacking in the true exclusive departmentOrigami_Kill3r

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

I don't think PS3 is in the position to criticise...

What would PS3 look like if Sony didn't go on a exclusive buying/developing spree?

No God of War, no Killzone, no Uncharted...

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

lafiro93

[QUOTE="lafiro93"]

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

toast_burner

I am very sick, sorry if my logic is out of this world

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

lafiro93

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="lafiro93"]

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

lafiro93

I am very sick, sorry if my logic is out of this world

The 360 is doing just fine with the fantastic library of games it all ready has.carlisledavid79

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="lafiro93"]

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

lafiro93

I am very sick, sorry if my logic is out of this world

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="lafiro93"]

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

lafiro93

I am very sick, sorry if my logic is out of this world

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="lafiro93"]

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

lafiro93

I am very sick, sorry if my logic is out of this world

[QUOTE="osan0"]fable 2 and soon 3 halo 3, ODST and soon reach forza games lost odyssey thats just off the top of my head..im sure there are more. alan wake if there was a situation where i could only have a PC and 2 consoles then it would be a PS3 and wii for me. but the 360 is still worth owning.... gears of war 2.... and has many crackin games only on the console. however MS do have a serious first party problem and if there not very careful....its going to bite them on the backside. with multiplat becomign the norm...its going to be up to first party devs to set the consoles apart and attract the customers.Origami_Kill3r

All of the good "pc" multiplats started on X360. Mass effect and GEOW 1 for example.

The Wii is the only console that could survive from a purely gaming perspective without Multiplats. PS3 has 90% multiplats and 360 has 91% multiplats.

I don't think PS3 is in the position to criticise...

What would PS3 look like if Sony didn't go on a exclusive buying/developing spree?

No God of War, no Killzone, no Uncharted...

*gasp*! Something can't survive without it's business strategy!?

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I don't think PS3 is in the position to criticise...

What would PS3 look like if Sony didn't go on a exclusive buying/developing spree?

No God of War, no Killzone, no Uncharted...

ItsBriskBaby

God of War 3, published by Sony Computer Entertainment and developed by Sony's Santa Monica Studio.

Killzone 2, published by Sony and developed by Guerrilla Games; who are owned by Sony.

Uncharted 2, published by Sony and developed by Naughty Dog, who are owned by Sony.

All three games are created and distributed by Sony.

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

lafiro93

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]But MS have a very strong/large grip on the PC market - be honest, if you could have one company who controlled computing - it'd be MS, just from a business/general perspective - their actions/decisions directly affect all of those PC games/developers? Anyway, the 360 would still do fine.toast_burner

They receive money for every computer sold with windows on it to play your game, and if you used games for windows live, they would make even more.

The Wii is the only console that could survive from a purely gaming perspective without Multiplats. PS3 has 90% multiplats and 360 has 91% multiplats.

Fizzman

idk....i think i still wouldnt own a wii if ps3 and 360 split all the multi's and made them exclusives.....not a big fan of motion control with response delay and ir........plus....im a graphicswhore to a point....and wii just doesnt do it for me.....its nothing really revolutionary to me

[QUOTE="lafiro93"]

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

Origami_Kill3r

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

The Wii is the only console that could survive from a purely gaming perspective without Multiplats. PS3 has 90% multiplats and 360 has 91% multiplats.

lpjazzman220

idk....i think i still wouldnt own a wii if ps3 and 360 split all the multi's and made them exclusives.....not a big fan of motion control with response delay and ir........plus....im a graphicswhore to a point....and wii just doesnt do it for me.....its nothing really revolutionary to me

I dont own a Wii either and never will. Motion controls arent fun to me, but judging by how poorly multiplats sell on the Wii its the best console for the question the TC raised.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"]But MS have a very strong/large grip on the PC market - be honest, if you could have one company who controlled computing - it'd be MS, just from a business/general perspective - their actions/decisions directly affect all of those PC games/developers? Anyway, the 360 would still do fine.tempest91

They receive money for every computer sold with windows on it to play your game, and if you used games for windows live, they would make even more.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]No. I could develop a game on the PC and MS wont recieve a penny.toast_burner

They receive money for every computer sold with windows on it to play your game, and if you used games for windows live, they would make even more.

Indirect profit is still profit and another major reason(along with a foothold in the business market) why windows still utterly dominates the OS market.

[QUOTE="Origami_Kill3r"][QUOTE="lafiro93"]

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

Ravensmash

if ur gonna go that far....then ms has a hand in all of the systems.....all of the graphics cards are based on dx drivers (dx made by ms).....and all of the gfx engines out right now utilize dx.....ms has a hand in all of those with that mind frame....but wait nolan bushnell made huuuge advances with circuit board tech.....does that mean atari controls all circuit boards?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="tempest91"]

They receive money for every computer sold with windows on it to play your game, and if you used games for windows live, they would make even more.

tempest91

Indirect profit is still profit and another major reason(along with a foothold in the business market) why windows still utterly dominates the OS market.

[QUOTE="Origami_Kill3r"][QUOTE="lafiro93"]

Are you kidding me? Microsoft controls both so whats the point?

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] thats indirect profit. for each individual game sold they make no money (unless you buy a new PC for each game :P) toast_burner

Indirect profit is still profit and another major reason(along with a foothold in the business market) why windows still utterly dominates the OS market.

Not the same. Microsoft would be like the owner of all the real estate that pubs are built on, therefore influencing the standards of how they are made, who makes them, and profiting each time someone wants to build one.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"]But MS have a very strong/large grip on the PC market - be honest, if you could have one company who controlled computing - it'd be MS, just from a business/general perspective - their actions/decisions directly affect all of those PC games/developers? Anyway, the 360 would still do fine.tempest91

They receive money for every computer sold with windows on it to play your game, and if you used games for windows live, they would make even more.

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]No. I could develop a game on the PC and MS wont recieve a penny.osan0

They receive money for every computer sold with windows on it to play your game, and if you used games for windows live, they would make even more.

Right....but you would probably use direct x, which is developed by MS. And to play your games, people would need a computer with Windows on it, and if your game was good, many people would buy a new PC just to play it. Once again, you are playing MS's game, but using their standard and giving them profit.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="tempest91"]

Indirect profit is still profit and another major reason(along with a foothold in the business market) why windows still utterly dominates the OS market.

tempest91

Not the same. Microsoft would be like the owner of all the real estate that pubs are built on, therefore influencing the standards of how they are made, who makes them, and profiting each time someone wants to build one.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="tempest91"]

Indirect profit is still profit and another major reason(along with a foothold in the business market) why windows still utterly dominates the OS market.

tempest91

Not the same. Microsoft would be like the owner of all the real estate that pubs are built on, therefore influencing the standards of how they are made, who makes them, and profiting each time someone wants to build one.

You buy a PC to play games: MS gets around £50 for the OS

You buy a game for your new PC: MS gets nothing

You buy 50 games: MS still gets nothing

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compare that to the 360

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You buy a 360: MS gets around £100

You Buy a game: MS get £10 or something like that

You buy 500 games: MS get £5000

[QUOTE="osan0"][QUOTE="tempest91"]

They receive money for every computer sold with windows on it to play your game, and if you used games for windows live, they would make even more.

tempest91

Right....but you would probably use direct x, which is developed by MS. And to play your games, people would need a computer with Windows on it, and if your game was good, many people would buy a new PC just to play it. Once again, you are playing MS's game, but using their standard and giving them profit.

i guess people already forget that it was the same way with the Xbox, a lot of games were on both Xbox and PC

but then again people also forget that the original purpose of the Xbox was to be a platform for PC devs to develop console games

in that regard, the 360 is a pretty big improvement

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[QUOTE="osan0"] but i dont have to use games for windows live. i could go with steam or impulse or make my own shop for my game on dinternet if i wanted. i could maintain my own multiplayer for my game in any way i saw fit or just let the PC community manage the MP side themselves. i could also use a framework such as SDL for my game which would make my game inherently multiplatform (it would run on linux, mac and wondows). i also dont have to use DX...i could use openGL or..if i was insane...make my own custom built graphics api. i dont need any permission from MS to do these things..i can just do them. games for windows live is a service MS offer...one they are perfectly eneiteled to offer. however another company could step in and essentially do the same thing (test for proper controller support...bring an online system in...have theur own achievements system etc.) and MS could do absolutely nothing to stop them. however if i tried to do any of that on the 360 then i would be quickly shot down by MS.osan0

Right....but you would probably use direct x, which is developed by MS. And to play your games, people would need a computer with Windows on it, and if your game was good, many people would buy a new PC just to play it. Once again, you are playing MS's game, but using their standard and giving them profit.

Right, but if you made if for windows, people would still buy a PC in order to play it. Also, the majority of the best selling games if not all of them use direct x, unless they are on a mobile platform....plus your browser based game will most likely use IE as a standard as most of them do.

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]if i advertise my product in a pub do i own the pub?toast_burner

Not the same. Microsoft would be like the owner of all the real estate that pubs are built on, therefore influencing the standards of how they are made, who makes them, and profiting each time someone wants to build one.

You buy a PC to play games: MS gets around £50 for the OS

You buy a game for your new PC: MS gets nothing

You buy 50 games: MS still gets nothing

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compare that to the 360

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You buy a 360: MS gets around £100

You Buy a game: MS get £10 or something like that

You buy 500 games: MS get £5000

MS doesn't get as much money from the PC market as they do from the 360, but they still get a ton and it helps them dominate the OS market even more so than they already do. Indirect profit is still profit. That's why they love the 360/PC exclusive. You are still playing MS's game.

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]if i advertise my product in a pub do i own the pub?toast_burner

Not the same. Microsoft would be like the owner of all the real estate that pubs are built on, therefore influencing the standards of how they are made, who makes them, and profiting each time someone wants to build one.

You buy a PC to play games: MS gets around £50 for the OS(Link please)

You buy a game for your new PC: MS gets nothing

You buy 50 games: MS still gets nothing

Yes but in order to play that game you're obligated to buy a Windows operating system, which Microsoft will make profit.

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compare that to the 360

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You buy a 360: MS gets around £100 (Link please)

You Buy a game: MS get £10 or something like that(Link please)

You buy 500 games: MS get £5000(Link please)

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

Click_Clock

You buy a PC to play games: MS gets around £50 for the OS(Link please)

You buy a game for your new PC: MS gets nothing

You buy 50 games: MS still gets nothing

Yes but in order to play that game you're obligated to buy a Windows operating system, which Microsoft will make profit.

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compare that to the 360

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You buy a 360: MS gets around £100 (Link please)

You Buy a game: MS get £10 or something like that(Link please)

You buy 500 games: MS get £5000(Link please)

I thought for a moment that I was the only one that understood this. I'm glad that i'm not alone.

Ps3 and Nintendo lack something 360 has. Pc-console games. But lately it seems as if microsoft has been relying a little to heavily on these cross platform games. While it makes sense to own a pc and something like a wii or ps3 It doesn't apper like a good investment to go PC-360 due to the many games made better on pc. For the past 2 years 360 has been lacking in the true exclusive departmentOrigami_Kill3r

that's true that a console requires games in general to actually work.

The thing is I asked myself why I tend to play multiplat games more on my 2 x Xbox360's then my 3 x PCs?

well it comes down to ease of use.

Convenience

what type of games suit the console and what suits the PC.

My PC is can pump out better graphics and runn better then the Xbox360 it's not really as important because the Xbox360 still displays pretty good graphics.

I Prefer to play in the lounge with a 50 in HDTV over a higher 27 inch res monitor.

I prefer a couch/lazyboy with surround sound an a home theatre projector set up then sitting upright in front of a PC.

It's habitual for me that I tend to do my work on a PC and research, study then play games.

The times I do play games is if it exclusive to the PC- like C&C 4, Starcraft 2, Crysis depending on the genre or if the PC version is extremely higned compared to the console versions.

anyway there is more a console vs PC debate to consider then just Xbox360 vs PC.

because consoles -generally are just more convenient, easy to set up and of to play. if not, consoles wouldn't exist and all games would be played on PCs.

Too bad in the real world people aren't complete fanboys and couldn't care less about the exclusivity of the games they play.

Too bad in the real world people aren't complete fanboys and couldn't care less about the exclusivity of the games they play.

Hanass

I only play exclusives, and sales make the games better and GOTY awards make them above all scrutiny.

Too bad in the real world people aren't complete fanboys and couldn't care less about the exclusivity of the games they play.

Hanass