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Is the new 360 HDMI 1.3 ready like the PS3 is????

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No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.

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No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.Hammerofjustice

yup

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I dont think so since Sony and i beleive philips or some other company came up with it i think it was samsung im not sure but yeah i dont think Ms would want to pay sony for it Lol..

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Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?

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[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

It's a moot Point IMO I still listen to 2 channel Digital Stereo for my PS3 via HDMI.

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No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.Hammerofjustice

I doubt its "awful" sound, but it is worse sound than the PS3s HDMI.

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well people want hdmi, there it is. 360 elite comming with hdmi, what else could they ask for

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Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?M_Fresh

No, it's stupid to think 1.3 is important. And it would be equally stupid for Microsoft to put 1.3 in the 360 when the 360 doesn't even support the lossless audio formats 1.3 was made for.

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

Nope. HDMI 1.2 is still capable of delivering lossless sound as LPCM, it's just that the 360 can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. There really is no point to 1.3.

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#10 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.asdasd

I doubt its "awful" sound, but it is worse sound than the PS3s HDMI.

The 360 is only capable of decoding Dolby Digital sound, so there's no point in 1.3 for the 360.

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well people want hdmi, there it is. 360 elite comming with hdmi, what else could they ask forddldave

A PS3 with Next Gen Optical Disc Format, Wi-fi, Blue-tooth.

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[QUOTE="ddldave"]well people want hdmi, there it is. 360 elite comming with hdmi, what else could they ask forNteks

A PS3 with Next Gen Optical Disc Format, Wi-fi, Blue-tooth.

Unnecessary fluff.

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[QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?mjarantilla

No, it's stupid to think 1.3 is important. And it would be equally stupid for Microsoft to put 1.3 in the 360 when the 360 doesn't even support the lossless audio formats 1.3 was made for.

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

Nope. HDMI 1.2 is still capable of delivering lossless sound as LPCM, it's just that the 360 can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. There really is no point to 1.3.

1.3 not important? This is next gen so it is important. we will own these systems for the next 5 plus years so why would hdmi1.3 be not important?

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#14 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?M_Fresh

No, it's stupid to think 1.3 is important. And it would be equally stupid for Microsoft to put 1.3 in the 360 when the 360 doesn't even support the lossless audio formats 1.3 was made for.

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

Nope. HDMI 1.2 is still capable of delivering lossless sound as LPCM, it's just that the 360 can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. There really is no point to 1.3.

1.3 not important? This is next gen so it is important. we will own these systems for the next 5 plus years so why would hdmi1.3 be not important?

The question is, why is HDMI 1.3 important? Because of sound? First, the 360 is already not capable of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, so there's no point to HDMI 1.3 for sound for the 360. And even if it WAS capable of it, HDMI 1.2 can deliver decoded audio streams of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD as multichannel uncompressed audio. So you gain no audio benefit. Because of picture quality? Sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you can see a visible difference between the 32-bit color setting and 24-bit color setting of your current computer monitor, you're not going to see any improvement with HDMI 1.3's "Deep Color" feature. So no, HDMI 1.3 is not important.

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[QUOTE="M_Fresh"]
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?mjarantilla

No, it's stupid to think 1.3 is important. And it would be equally stupid for Microsoft to put 1.3 in the 360 when the 360 doesn't even support the lossless audio formats 1.3 was made for.

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

Nope. HDMI 1.2 is still capable of delivering lossless sound as LPCM, it's just that the 360 can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. There really is no point to 1.3.

1.3 not important? This is next gen so it is important. we will own these systems for the next 5 plus years so why would hdmi1.3 be not important?

The question is, why is HDMI 1.3 important?

Because of sound? First, the 360 is already not capable of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, so there's no point to HDMI 1.3 for sound for the 360. And even if it WAS capable of it, HDMI 1.2 can deliver decoded audio streams of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD as multichannel uncompressed audio. So you gain no audio benefit.

Because of picture quality? Sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you can see a visible difference between the 32-bit color setting and 24-bit color setting of your current computer monitor, you're not going to see any improvement with HDMI 1.3's "Deep Color" feature.

So no, HDMI 1.3 is not important.

Lies

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Is the new 360 HDMI 1.3 ready like the PS3 is????M_Fresh

NO, it has HDMI 1.2.

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[QUOTE="Nteks"][QUOTE="ddldave"]well people want hdmi, there it is. 360 elite comming with hdmi, what else could they ask formjarantilla

A PS3 with Next Gen Optical Disc Format, Wi-fi, Blue-tooth.

Unnecessary fluff.

for poor people like yourself ( =

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[QUOTE="ddldave"]well people want hdmi, there it is. 360 elite comming with hdmi, what else could they ask forNteks

A PS3 with Next Gen Optical Disc Format, Wi-fi, Blue-tooth.

And HDMI 1.3. There is no excuse, M$ is coming out with this ELITE AFTER the PS3, what's the deal?

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?Hammerofjustice

No, it's stupid to think 1.3 is important. And it would be equally stupid for Microsoft to put 1.3 in the 360 when the 360 doesn't even support the lossless audio formats 1.3 was made for.

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

Nope. HDMI 1.2 is still capable of delivering lossless sound as LPCM, it's just that the 360 can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. There really is no point to 1.3.

1.3 not important? This is next gen so it is important. we will own these systems for the next 5 plus years so why would hdmi1.3 be not important?

The question is, why is HDMI 1.3 important?

Because of sound? First, the 360 is already not capable of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, so there's no point to HDMI 1.3 for sound for the 360. And even if it WAS capable of it, HDMI 1.2 can deliver decoded audio streams of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD as multichannel uncompressed audio. So you gain no audio benefit.

Because of picture quality? Sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you can see a visible difference between the 32-bit color setting and 24-bit color setting of your current computer monitor, you're not going to see any improvement with HDMI 1.3's "Deep Color" feature.

So no, HDMI 1.3 is not important.

Lies

i have to agree with you. one thing is AVS forums are mad that elite only has 1.2 hdmi . reason for this is because you can not get DOLBY TRUE HD SOUND wtih 1.2.

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No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.Hammerofjustice

How does HDMI 1.2 have awful sound? You could have just said inferior sound to HDMI 1.3.

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#21 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?Hammerofjustice

No, it's stupid to think 1.3 is important. And it would be equally stupid for Microsoft to put 1.3 in the 360 when the 360 doesn't even support the lossless audio formats 1.3 was made for.

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

Nope. HDMI 1.2 is still capable of delivering lossless sound as LPCM, it's just that the 360 can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. There really is no point to 1.3.

1.3 not important? This is next gen so it is important. we will own these systems for the next 5 plus years so why would hdmi1.3 be not important?

The question is, why is HDMI 1.3 important?

Because of sound? First, the 360 is already not capable of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, so there's no point to HDMI 1.3 for sound for the 360. And even if it WAS capable of it, HDMI 1.2 can deliver decoded audio streams of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD as multichannel uncompressed audio. So you gain no audio benefit.

Because of picture quality? Sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you can see a visible difference between the 32-bit color setting and 24-bit color setting of your current computer monitor, you're not going to see any improvement with HDMI 1.3's "Deep Color" feature.

So no, HDMI 1.3 is not important.

Lies

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10166_7-6678689-1.html?subj=whatsnew&part=rss&tag=rss.whatsnew

Moreover, current Blu-ray/HD-DVD players and receivers can already access these better-sounding soundtracks--you just need to dive into the menus and toggle the correct settings on the player and the receiver (linear PCM output over HDMI).

u r pwnt.

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#22 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?alfy13

No, it's stupid to think 1.3 is important. And it would be equally stupid for Microsoft to put 1.3 in the 360 when the 360 doesn't even support the lossless audio formats 1.3 was made for.

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

Nope. HDMI 1.2 is still capable of delivering lossless sound as LPCM, it's just that the 360 can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. There really is no point to 1.3.

1.3 not important? This is next gen so it is important. we will own these systems for the next 5 plus years so why would hdmi1.3 be not important?

The question is, why is HDMI 1.3 important?

Because of sound? First, the 360 is already not capable of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, so there's no point to HDMI 1.3 for sound for the 360. And even if it WAS capable of it, HDMI 1.2 can deliver decoded audio streams of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD as multichannel uncompressed audio. So you gain no audio benefit.

Because of picture quality? Sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you can see a visible difference between the 32-bit color setting and 24-bit color setting of your current computer monitor, you're not going to see any improvement with HDMI 1.3's "Deep Color" feature.

So no, HDMI 1.3 is not important.

Lies

i have to agree with you. one thing is AVS forums are mad that elite only has 1.2 hdmi . reason for this is because you can not get DOLBY TRUE HD SOUND wtih 1.2.

You CAN get Dolby TrueHD on HDMI 1.2. You just need to change the output of your BluRay/HD-DVD player to LPCM instead of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. And ALL BluRay/HD-DVD players, including the PS3, are capable of converting Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD into a multichannel uncompressed linear PCM stream. I really doubt the AVS Forum goers are as broken up about it as you are, since they very likely know that HDMI 1.2 is fully capable of delivering an uncompressed LPCM stream.

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"] The question is, why is HDMI 1.3 important? Because of sound? First, the 360 is already not capable of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, so there's no point to HDMI 1.3 for sound for the 360. And even if it WAS capable of it, HDMI 1.2 can deliver decoded audio streams of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD as multichannel uncompressed audio. So you gain no audio benefit.

In addition, Xbox 360 is only capable of passing 2-channel LPCM, not 5.1 channel LPCM.

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#24 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.Codename33

How does HDMI 1.2 have awful sound? You could have just said inferior sound to HDMI 1.3.

Calling it "inferior sound" is incorrect, too, because HDMI 1.2 can deliver linear PCM sound, which is uncompressed sound. Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD are always decoded into linear PCM. The only difference between HDMI 1.3 and HDMI 1.2 is that instead of being decoded by the player (in the case of HDMI 1.2), the audio is decoded in the receiver (in the case of HDMI 1.3). So there really is no difference, unless you buy a BluRay/HD-DVD player that can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, but all players right now are capable of it, and the only players that will not be capable of it will be the cheap budget models.

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[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?mjarantilla

No, it's stupid to think 1.3 is important. And it would be equally stupid for Microsoft to put 1.3 in the 360 when the 360 doesn't even support the lossless audio formats 1.3 was made for.

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

Nope. HDMI 1.2 is still capable of delivering lossless sound as LPCM, it's just that the 360 can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. There really is no point to 1.3.

1.3 not important? This is next gen so it is important. we will own these systems for the next 5 plus years so why would hdmi1.3 be not important?

The question is, why is HDMI 1.3 important?

Because of sound? First, the 360 is already not capable of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, so there's no point to HDMI 1.3 for sound for the 360. And even if it WAS capable of it, HDMI 1.2 can deliver decoded audio streams of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD as multichannel uncompressed audio. So you gain no audio benefit.

Because of picture quality? Sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you can see a visible difference between the 32-bit color setting and 24-bit color setting of your current computer monitor, you're not going to see any improvement with HDMI 1.3's "Deep Color" feature.

So no, HDMI 1.3 is not important.

Lies

i have to agree with you. one thing is AVS forums are mad that elite only has 1.2 hdmi . reason for this is because you can not get DOLBY TRUE HD SOUND wtih 1.2.

You CAN get Dolby TrueHD on HDMI 1.2. You just need to change the output of your BluRay/HD-DVD player to LPCM instead of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. And ALL BluRay/HD-DVD players, including the PS3, are capable of converting Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD into a multichannel uncompressed linear PCM stream. I really doubt the AVS Forum goers are as broken up about it as you are, since they very likely know that HDMI 1.2 is fully capable of delivering an uncompressed LPCM stream.

well the elite can not get Dobly TRUE HD, unless you want to tell these ppl they are wrong.

now i can see ps3 having exclusive games getting true HD sound if the dev wants to do that. but as for mulit plats doenst matter because the 360 can decode it. i dont care though im happy with my 360 and since i just bought a ps3 yesterday and i have a 7.1 hdmi reciever. im am enjoying NIN blu ray movie which playes in Dobly TRue HD.

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#26 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?alfy13

No, it's stupid to think 1.3 is important. And it would be equally stupid for Microsoft to put 1.3 in the 360 when the 360 doesn't even support the lossless audio formats 1.3 was made for.

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

Nope. HDMI 1.2 is still capable of delivering lossless sound as LPCM, it's just that the 360 can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. There really is no point to 1.3.

1.3 not important? This is next gen so it is important. we will own these systems for the next 5 plus years so why would hdmi1.3 be not important?

The question is, why is HDMI 1.3 important?

Because of sound? First, the 360 is already not capable of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, so there's no point to HDMI 1.3 for sound for the 360. And even if it WAS capable of it, HDMI 1.2 can deliver decoded audio streams of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD as multichannel uncompressed audio. So you gain no audio benefit.

Because of picture quality? Sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you can see a visible difference between the 32-bit color setting and 24-bit color setting of your current computer monitor, you're not going to see any improvement with HDMI 1.3's "Deep Color" feature.

So no, HDMI 1.3 is not important.

Lies

i have to agree with you. one thing is AVS forums are mad that elite only has 1.2 hdmi . reason for this is because you can not get DOLBY TRUE HD SOUND wtih 1.2.

You CAN get Dolby TrueHD on HDMI 1.2. You just need to change the output of your BluRay/HD-DVD player to LPCM instead of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. And ALL BluRay/HD-DVD players, including the PS3, are capable of converting Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD into a multichannel uncompressed linear PCM stream. I really doubt the AVS Forum goers are as broken up about it as you are, since they very likely know that HDMI 1.2 is fully capable of delivering an uncompressed LPCM stream.

well the elite can not get Dobly TRUE HD, unless you want to tell these ppl they are wrong.

Sorry, I misread what you had posted. Yes, AVS Forum goers are probably upset that the 360 can't deliver TrueHD, but they're probably more upset about its lack of internal TrueHD decoding support than of its lack of HDMI 1.3. The Elite CANNOT get TrueHD because the 360 is only capable of decoding Dolby Digital 5.1, but any other HDMI 1.2 device capable of decoding Dolby TrueHD will still deliver the same audio quality and 99.99999% the same picture quality as an HDMI 1.3 device. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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#27 imprezawrx500

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Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?M_Fresh

yip just like vga was stupied when you have dvi

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#28 imprezawrx500

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[QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Why would they put 1.2 instead of 1.3? Kinda stupid right?mjarantilla

No, it's stupid to think 1.3 is important. And it would be equally stupid for Microsoft to put 1.3 in the 360 when the 360 doesn't even support the lossless audio formats 1.3 was made for.

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.spectre37

yup

Nope. HDMI 1.2 is still capable of delivering lossless sound as LPCM, it's just that the 360 can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. There really is no point to 1.3.

just like lems say vga is just as good as dvi which is not true unless you use crt

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#29 MorisUkunRasik

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just because the 360 can't have 1.3 doesn't mean 1.3 hdmi is useless

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#30 mjarantilla

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just because the 360 can't have 1.3 doesn't mean 1.3 hdmi is uselessMorisUkunRasik

a) It's useless to put it on the 360. That's what I meant. b) It gives minimal benefit for everyone else, since the only difference is a BARELY perceptible (if it's perceptible at all) improvement in video quality. Seriously, when people start arguing over 24-bit "True Color" versus 32-bit "Deep Color" spaces, THAT is when you know we've hit the stage of diminishing returns.

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Is the new 360 HDMI 1.3 ready like the PS3 is????M_Fresh

Seems like you asked a question you already knew the answer to. Strange....

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#32 MorisUkunRasik

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[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]just because the 360 can't have 1.3 doesn't mean 1.3 hdmi is uselessmjarantilla

a) It's useless to put it on the 360. That's what I meant. b) It gives minimal benefit for everyone else, since the only difference is a BARELY perceptible (if it's perceptible at all) improvement in video quality. Seriously, when people start arguing over 24-bit "True Color" versus 32-bit "Deep Color" spaces, THAT is when you know we've hit the stage of diminishing returns.

New HDMI 1.3 capabilities include: Higher speed: • HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth from 165MHz (4.95 gigabits per second) to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future high-definition display devices, such as higher resolutions, deep color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds. Deep color: • HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification. • Lets HDTVs and other displays go from millions of colors to billions of colors. • Eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colors. • Enables increased contrast ratio. • Can represent many times more shades of gray between black and white. At 30-bit pixel depth, four times more shades of gray would be the minimum, and the typical improvement would be eight times or more. Broader color space: • HDMI 1.3 removes virtually all limits on color selection. • Next-generation “xvYCC” color space supports 1.8 times as many colors as existing HDTV signals. • Lets HDTVs display colors more accurately. • Enables displays with more natural and vivid colors. New mini connector: • With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option. Lip Sync: • Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates an automatic audio/video synching capability that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with accuracy. New lossless audio formats: • In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and currently available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.

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#33 MorisUkunRasik

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]just because the 360 can't have 1.3 doesn't mean 1.3 hdmi is uselessMorisUkunRasik

a) It's useless to put it on the 360. That's what I meant. b) It gives minimal benefit for everyone else, since the only difference is a BARELY perceptible (if it's perceptible at all) improvement in video quality. Seriously, when people start arguing over 24-bit "True Color" versus 32-bit "Deep Color" spaces, THAT is when you know we've hit the stage of diminishing returns.

New HDMI 1.3 capabilities include: Higher speed: • HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth from 165MHz (4.95 gigabits per second) to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future high-definition display devices, such as higher resolutions, deep color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds. Deep color: • HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification. • Lets HDTVs and other displays go from millions of colors to billions of colors. • Eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colors. • Enables increased contrast ratio. • Can represent many times more shades of gray between black and white. At 30-bit pixel depth, four times more shades of gray would be the minimum, and the typical improvement would be eight times or more. Broader color space: • HDMI 1.3 removes virtually all limits on color selection. • Next-generation “xvYCC” color space supports 1.8 times as many colors as existing HDTV signals. • Lets HDTVs display colors more accurately. • Enables displays with more natural and vivid colors. New mini connector: • With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option. Lip Sync: • Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates an automatic audio/video synching capability that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with accuracy. New lossless audio formats: • In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and currently available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.

you're right 1.3 offers barely perceptible changes upon 1.2...

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#34 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]just because the 360 can't have 1.3 doesn't mean 1.3 hdmi is uselessMorisUkunRasik

a) It's useless to put it on the 360. That's what I meant. b) It gives minimal benefit for everyone else, since the only difference is a BARELY perceptible (if it's perceptible at all) improvement in video quality. Seriously, when people start arguing over 24-bit "True Color" versus 32-bit "Deep Color" spaces, THAT is when you know we've hit the stage of diminishing returns.

New HDMI 1.3 capabilities include: Higher speed: • HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth from 165MHz (4.95 gigabits per second) to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future high-definition display devices, such as higher resolutions, deep color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds. Deep color: • HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification. • Lets HDTVs and other displays go from millions of colors to billions of colors. • Eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colors. • Enables increased contrast ratio. • Can represent many times more shades of gray between black and white. At 30-bit pixel depth, four times more shades of gray would be the minimum, and the typical improvement would be eight times or more. Broader color space: • HDMI 1.3 removes virtually all limits on color selection. • Next-generation “xvYCC” color space supports 1.8 times as many colors as existing HDTV signals. • Lets HDTVs display colors more accurately. • Enables displays with more natural and vivid colors. New mini connector: • With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option. Lip Sync: • Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates an automatic audio/video synching capability that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with accuracy. New lossless audio formats: • In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and currently available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.

you're right 1.3 offers barely perceptible changes upon 1.2...

Yes, it does only offer barely perceptible changes on 1.2. Marketer's bullet points won't change that. Let me condense that list down for you: - Support for 1440p and higher (yeah, right; it took ten years for 720p to be developed, even longer for 1080p; people won't want to upgrade AGAIN in less than ten years) - 30/36/48-bit color instead of 24-bit color (again, if you can tell the difference between these two, then I want to surgically implant your eyes into my skull, because THEY BE SUPER-EYES!) - Connectors for those HD Handycams - Support for lossless audio. (Never mind that all BluRay/HD-DVD players already support lossless audio even WITHOUT HDMI 1.3)

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i thought hdmi wasnt necessary

what about blu-ray still not necessary ?

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#36 mjarantilla

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i thought hdmi wasnt necessary
what about blu-ray still not necessary ?
legalize3

Yes on both. Neither one is necessary for gaming.

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#37 MorisUkunRasik

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[QUOTE="legalize3"]
i thought hdmi wasnt necessary
what about blu-ray still not necessary ?
mjarantilla

Yes on both.

thus proving to me, I shouldn't care about your opinion.

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#38 XboxUnderground

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No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.Hammerofjustice

but as there is not a single reciever out there with HDMI 1.3 you wouldn't know this :|

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Wait, I thought I was in the HD era. Now there's a TrueHD era? So 1.4 is going to be the HonestlyThisIsTheRealTrueHD ? Then both consoles will be pwned.

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[QUOTE="legalize3"]
i thought hdmi wasnt necessary

what about blu-ray still not necessary ?
mjarantilla

Yes on both. Neither one is necessary for gaming.

so why debating about the difference between 1.2 and 1.3 ?

why begging for 360 elite hdmi 1.3 like the OP does ?

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Wait, I thought I was in the HD era.

Now there's a TrueHD era?

So 1.4 is going to be the HonestlyThisIsTheRealTrueHD ?

Then both consoles will be pwned.Liquid_47

Hasn't happened yet, right now 1.3 is the best.

In the meantime, last year's PS3 included the most up to date HDMI available.

THe Elite, which isn't even out yet, WILL NOT.

That's the ownage you need to concern yourself with.

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#42 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="legalize3"]
i thought hdmi wasnt necessary
what about blu-ray still not necessary ?
MorisUkunRasik

Yes on both.

thus proving to me, I shouldn't care about your opinion.

No, you shouldn't, because you obviously can't think for yourself.

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#43 MorisUkunRasik

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[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="legalize3"]
i thought hdmi wasnt necessary
what about blu-ray still not necessary ?
mjarantilla

Yes on both.

thus proving to me, I shouldn't care about your opinion.

No, you shouldn't, because you obviously can't think for yourself.

because I don't agree with you I obviously don't think riiiight

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#44 XboxUnderground

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="legalize3"]
i thought hdmi wasnt necessary
what about blu-ray still not necessary ?
legalize3

Yes on both. Neither one is necessary for gaming.

so why debating about the difference between 1.2 and 1.3 ?

why begging for 360 elite hdmi 1.3 like the OP does ?

obviously becaiuse people are stupid right now HDMI 1.3 is a complete farce There is only 2 devices on the market that use it PS3 and Samsung's 65 series LCDs the only real benefit offered by HDMI 1.3 is uncompressed sound which that ONLY benefits the PS3 because all standalone HDDVD and Blu-Ray players decode audio internally so they can use optical for uncompressed audio to your receiver the OP wasn't begging for HDMI 1.3 he was asking if 360 had it........ at least from his original post I didnt' read through the thread but if he was begging for it then it was because he doesn't realize that it will provide him absolutely no benefit in any way, shape, or form

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#45 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]Wait, I thought I was in the HD era.

Now there's a TrueHD era?

So 1.4 is going to be the HonestlyThisIsTheRealTrueHD ?

Then both consoles will be pwned.SolidTy

Hasn't happened yet, right now 1.3 is the best.

In the meantime, last year's PS3 included the most up to date HDMI available.

THe Elite, which isn't even out yet, WILL NOT.

That's the ownage you need to concern yourself with.

Now the ownage YOU need to concern yourself with is that 99.99% of PS3 owners will not have HDMI 1.3 devices. Remember, you need a 100% HDMI 1.3 system to utilize ANY of HDMI 1.3's features. Meaning, you need an HDMI 1.3-capable receiver AND an HDMI 1.3-capable TV to get anything out of HDMI 1.3.

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#46 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="legalize3"]
i thought hdmi wasnt necessary
what about blu-ray still not necessary ?
MorisUkunRasik

Yes on both.

thus proving to me, I shouldn't care about your opinion.

No, you shouldn't, because you obviously can't think for yourself.

because I don't agree with you I obviously don't think riiiight

Buddy, you haven't once spoken for yourself once in this thread, except to say "HDMI 1.3 isn't useless" and to quote a marketer's press release. When you demonstrate some coherent reasoning ability, THEN I'll admit that you can think right.

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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]
[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]Wait, I thought I was in the HD era.

Now there's a TrueHD era?

So 1.4 is going to be the HonestlyThisIsTheRealTrueHD ?

Then both consoles will be pwned.mjarantilla

Hasn't happened yet, right now 1.3 is the best.

In the meantime, last year's PS3 included the most up to date HDMI available.

THe Elite, which isn't even out yet, WILL NOT.

That's the ownage you need to concern yourself with.

Now the ownage YOU need to concern yourself with is that 99.99% of PS3 owners will not have HDMI 1.3 devices. Remember, you need a 100% HDMI 1.3 system to utilize ANY of HDMI 1.3's features. Meaning, you need an HDMI 1.3-capable receiver AND an HDMI 1.3-capable TV to get anything out of HDMI 1.3.

Oh, I recognize that...For now. You see, what people have now, and what they will have in 2 years is different. Being that I go thru the "Upgrade Game" like this all the time this isn't surprising to me. A product not even out yet should be more Future Proof, but I understand the 360 wasn't designed for HDMI, so it probably would have been a waste of money for M$ to implement 1.3 just for the name...so they are saving a few bucks.

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#48 XboxUnderground

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[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]Wait, I thought I was in the HD era.

Now there's a TrueHD era?

So 1.4 is going to be the HonestlyThisIsTheRealTrueHD ?

Then both consoles will be pwned.SolidTy

Hasn't happened yet, right now 1.3 is the best.

In the meantime, last year's PS3 included the most up to date HDMI available.

THe Elite, which isn't even out yet, WILL NOT.

That's the ownage you need to concern yourself with.

it's not included because it's useless why spend the extra money to include a feature that will be useless to every single person that buys it?

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[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]Wait, I thought I was in the HD era.

Now there's a TrueHD era?

So 1.4 is going to be the HonestlyThisIsTheRealTrueHD ?

Then both consoles will be pwned.SolidTy

Hasn't happened yet, right now 1.3 is the best.

In the meantime, last year's PS3 included the most up to date HDMI available.

THe Elite, which isn't even out yet, WILL NOT.

That's the ownage you need to concern yourself with.

Eh? I don't know what I'm supposed to be owned about. I'm just getting pissed off that they won't standardize the damn HD thing.

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#50 mjarantilla

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]
[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]Wait, I thought I was in the HD era.

Now there's a TrueHD era?

So 1.4 is going to be the HonestlyThisIsTheRealTrueHD ?

Then both consoles will be pwned.SolidTy

Hasn't happened yet, right now 1.3 is the best.

In the meantime, last year's PS3 included the most up to date HDMI available.

THe Elite, which isn't even out yet, WILL NOT.

That's the ownage you need to concern yourself with.

Now the ownage YOU need to concern yourself with is that 99.99% of PS3 owners will not have HDMI 1.3 devices. Remember, you need a 100% HDMI 1.3 system to utilize ANY of HDMI 1.3's features. Meaning, you need an HDMI 1.3-capable receiver AND an HDMI 1.3-capable TV to get anything out of HDMI 1.3.

Oh, I recognize that...For now. You see, what people have now, and what they will have in 2 years is different. Being that I go thru the "Upgrade Game" like this all the time this isn't surprising to me. A product not even out yet should be more Future Proof, but I understand the 360 wasn't designed for HDMI, so it probably would have been a waste of money for M$ to implement 1.3 just for the name...so they are saving a few bucks.

2 years, huh? You REALLY think that HDMI 1.3 will reach majority market penetration within two years? That's almost as idiotic as saying that BluRay sales will exceed DVD sales in two years. It just won't happen; it's impossible. No, it's IMPOSSIBLE. The market simply does not work that way.

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