360 Elite HDMI1.3 ?
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I bet 90% of you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference in the "awful sound" 360 :roll:X360PS3AMD05So we should willingly settle for inferior specs then?
Also..even if you buy a new model that will support it (Spring & Summer of this year) ... that doesn't mean all the features of 1.3 are implemented...meaning you will rarely see a sticker on your new TV saying (Now with HDMI 1.3!!!) what you may see is a sticker saying "Supports Deep Color" for example.
So please don't think that just because you're device supports it, you're suddently getting all these new pumped up features....in the case of HDMI it takes two to tango (Device & Display)
And for those who demand a link...here's a whole website http://www.hdmi.org
Everyone likes a bigger number (1.3 > 1.2) but in terms of HDMI it doesn't matter because it's not a standalone feature...it doesn't matter if a device outputs HDMI 1.3 ... because all of you who have a HDTV at this very moment will not benefit from it in any way...if your TV is 1.2 or lower...then that's what you get...i dont thnk its about which HDTV has it, its about ppl who have 7.1 hdmi reciever like my self who can get Dolby True HD .
Also..even if you buy a new model that will support it (Spring & Summer of this year) ... that doesn't mean all the features of 1.3 are implemented...meaning you will rarely see a sticker on your new TV saying (Now with HDMI 1.3!!!) what you may see is a sticker saying "Supports Deep Color" for example.
So please don't think that just because you're device supports it, you're suddently getting all these new pumped up features....in the case of HDMI it takes two to tango (Device & Display)
And for those who demand a link...here's a whole website http://www.hdmi.orgHaibaneRenmei
I'm glad the elite uses 1.2
That way it won't have compatability issues with my hdmi 1.0 Samsung lcd tv which cost me $1600 oct06 like the ps3 does with hdmi 1.3.
It's not about whether the technology could be fully used be every user or not. If you're going to put out another version , a year after original release, say its the "top of the line" or "elite", you better make it just that, "Elite." The problem with MS is, their releasing another console too early. The reason they're maing the Elite is because the premium is so "premuim" at all. They rushed it. So what do they do? They rush the replacement and make the HDD larger than ever needed and the HDMI a step-back from PS3.
Weak. It shows that MS just wanted everyone to buy in early. They were all about beating the competition to the market and not serving their buyers fully.dubvisions
It doesn't show that at all...what it does show is that MS is willing to put out a system containing all the little keywords and catch-phrases that people seem to eat up , regardless of it being necessary or not...because they (the people) like the way it sounds....they feel better...they think..."Oooh...HDMI....that that must be better than Component" ... more than half the people talking about these features...or talking about HDR in games...and 4xAA ... have absolutely no idea what they're talking about..but it sure sounds pretty damn good...and they love to argue using terms they have to concept of..
Is the new 360 HDMI 1.3 ready like the PS3 is????M_Fresh
No one really gives a **** cause if you are enough of a videophile to use HDMI (Which only benefits you if you run 1080p over a 50" display) then you should go for the gusto and use a Toslink (optical) cable for 5.1 surround. To me using HDMI home theater setup using 2 channel TV speaker sound is kinda like hooking up your car with the best bodykits, spoilers and hood BUT using 15" steelies with hubcaps.
[QUOTE="dubvisions"]It's not about whether the technology could be fully used be every user or not. If you're going to put out another version , a year after original release, say its the "top of the line" or "elite", you better make it just that, "Elite." The problem with MS is, their releasing another console too early. The reason they're maing the Elite is because the premium is so "premuim" at all. They rushed it. So what do they do? They rush the replacement and make the HDD larger than ever needed and the HDMI a step-back from PS3.
Weak. It shows that MS just wanted everyone to buy in early. They were all about beating the competition to the market and not serving their buyers fully.HaibaneRenmei
It doesn't show that at all...what it does show is that MS is willing to put out a system containing all the little keywords and catch-phrases that people seem to eat up , regardless of it being necessary or not...because they (the people) like the way it sounds....they feel better...they think..."Oooh...HDMI....that that must be better than Component" ... more than half the people talking about these features...or talking about HDR in games...and 4xAA ... have absolutely no idea what they're talking about..but it sure sounds pretty damn good...and they love to argue using terms they have to concept of.. Wow, you really made MS sound even better. So, you're saying they base their decisions on manufacturing consoles off of those people in the market that like "buz" words and know nothing about the technology? They make their "top-of-the-line" console for those types of people and not the hardcore gamers? That's odd and a little insane. i always thought that the "elite" console for a given manufacturer would be for the hardcore gamers that want the best of the best. the gamers that know what they want and they want it with the most state-of-the-art technology possible. That's why MS is failing its buyers. They doing what you said, making lackluster consoles for the morons that buy a 360 because that's what they heard.
[QUOTE="HaibaneRenmei"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]It's not about whether the technology could be fully used be every user or not. If you're going to put out another version , a year after original release, say its the "top of the line" or "elite", you better make it just that, "Elite." The problem with MS is, their releasing another console too early. The reason they're maing the Elite is because the premium is so "premuim" at all. They rushed it. So what do they do? They rush the replacement and make the HDD larger than ever needed and the HDMI a step-back from PS3.
Weak. It shows that MS just wanted everyone to buy in early. They were all about beating the competition to the market and not serving their buyers fully.dubvisions
It doesn't show that at all...what it does show is that MS is willing to put out a system containing all the little keywords and catch-phrases that people seem to eat up , regardless of it being necessary or not...because they (the people) like the way it sounds....they feel better...they think..."Oooh...HDMI....that that must be better than Component" ... more than half the people talking about these features...or talking about HDR in games...and 4xAA ... have absolutely no idea what they're talking about..but it sure sounds pretty damn good...and they love to argue using terms they have to concept of.. Wow, you really made MS sound even better. So, you're saying they base their decisions on manufacturing consoles off of those people in the market that like "buz" words and know nothing about the technology? They make their "top-of-the-line" console for those types of people and not the hardcore gamers? That's odd and a little insane. i always thought that the "elite" console for a given manufacturer would be for the hardcore gamers that want the best of the best. the gamers that know what they want and they want it with the most state-of-the-art technology possible. That's why MS is failing its buyers. They doing what you said, making lackluster consoles for the morons that buy a 360 because that's what they heard. There's nothing insane about it...this is business ... if I know that people are going to eat up something because it sounds like it's offering something more...i'll do... haven't you ever wondered why the prices on most goods and services end with .99 or .95 (like $399.95) it might sounds rediculous...but people feel better about something that costs $399.95 over something that costs $400 there's no real difference except that which is in the consumers mind....and at the end of the day that is business...it's the way we do it...always... Somewhere along the line gamers/consumers started to think that these companies (MS - Sony - Nintendo) are your friends...doing you some sort of favor..and owing you some sort of loyalty (see DMC) ... this is business... and if you're going to buy my product because it "sounds" good based on your beliefs...so be it. As for your comment on morons...it may not sounds very nice...but in a lot of businesses...you tend to think of the end user as hmm...not extremely bright...not to be mean or to display any sort of animosity...but because it's safer to assume that if a person believes something...they're going to go for ..regardless of the facts... Alfy said it himself, "but after hearing its just 1.2, im starting to think MS doesnt really care about their consumers" It's JUST 1.2 as if there was some disgusting crime being commited here....well...all the TV on the market right now...being bought like crazy are also JUST 1.2 ... oh no! HDMI 1.3 receivers and devices are only just about to coming now in Spring and Summer...and guess what...most will not be identified as such because it causes panic and frustration in people who just take 1.3 > 1.2 at face value.....oh no!
Dude, dude, dude. The point is this. MS calls it an "Elite" console. Why don;t they actually think ahead and make it so. Even if 1.3 isn;t widely used, why not have it so when it is, the 360 will be ready to go. Instead, you'll get the "Super Elite" model or whatever console they decide to release every week.
think about this. Not many homes have a HDTV. Why did MS make the 360 HD?dubvisions
They made it HD...because that is the current technology trend. Now i know what you're thinking...but no...HDMI 1.3 is not a trend-setting item in the same vein as the push from SD to HD is..
Keep in mind that the the mandate is already in place to have all transmission signals shifted to HD by the end of 2008...the SD transmission band will be sold off to private networks for simple use/tasks
HDMI 1.2 to 1.3 is like crossing the street.....SD to HD is like stepping over the atlantic....the impact is not the same...not even close
[QUOTE="dubvisions"]
Dude, dude, dude. The point is this. MS calls it an "Elite" console. Why don;t they actually think ahead and make it so. Even if 1.3 isn;t widely used, why not have it so when it is, the 360 will be ready to go. Instead, you'll get the "Super Elite" model or whatever console they decide to release every week.
think about this. Not many homes have a HDTV. Why did MS make the 360 HD?HaibaneRenmei
They made it HD...because that is the current technology trend. Now i know what you're thinking...but no...HDMI 1.3 is not a trend-setting item in the same vein as the push from SD to HD is..
Keep in mind that the the mandate is already in place to have all transmission signals shifted to HD by the end of 2008...the SD transmission band will be sold off to private networks for simple use/tasks
HDMI 1.2 to 1.3 is like crossing the street.....SD to HD is like stepping over the atlantic....the impact is not the same...not even close My point in that example was that they were equal but that these manufacturers need to think ahead. They have to use technology that may not be totally proven to stay on edge. If MS wanted to be careful about technology they wouldn;t be the powerhouse they are today. I'll say it again, because no lemming has come back with a reason yet, why does MS make an "Elite" console that's not "Elite"? Why did the make a "premium" console without it being so "premium?" They rushed, that's why.
[QUOTE="asdasd"][QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.akuma303x
I doubt its "awful" sound, but it is worse sound than the PS3s HDMI.
no one cared when PS3 supported 1.2. It's funny to see the idiots get a kick out of it i guess. I'm pretty sure PS3 has 1.3.[QUOTE="HaibaneRenmei"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]
Dude, dude, dude. The point is this. MS calls it an "Elite" console. Why don;t they actually think ahead and make it so. Even if 1.3 isn;t widely used, why not have it so when it is, the 360 will be ready to go. Instead, you'll get the "Super Elite" model or whatever console they decide to release every week.
think about this. Not many homes have a HDTV. Why did MS make the 360 HD?dubvisions
They made it HD...because that is the current technology trend. Now i know what you're thinking...but no...HDMI 1.3 is not a trend-setting item in the same vein as the push from SD to HD is..
Keep in mind that the the mandate is already in place to have all transmission signals shifted to HD by the end of 2008...the SD transmission band will be sold off to private networks for simple use/tasks
HDMI 1.2 to 1.3 is like crossing the street.....SD to HD is like stepping over the atlantic....the impact is not the same...not even close
My point in that example was that they were equal but that these manufacturers need to think ahead. They have to use technology that may not be totally proven to stay on edge. If MS wanted to be careful about technology they wouldn;t be the powerhouse they are today.
I'll say it again, because no lemming has come back with a reason yet, why does MS make an "Elite" console that's not "Elite"? Why did the make a "premium" console without it being so "premium?" They rushed, that's why.
You're going to be one of the people who feel pissed when HDMI 1.4 hits aren't you? (and no there is no current plan for 1.4 just yet)
Sony likes to be the early adopter (1.3 and blu-ray) and the cost of making their console cost considerably more than the rest....MS likes to go with what is necessary...
and it doesn't matter if sony is better than MS or MS is better than sony...all that matters is that the consumer "thinks"
[QUOTE="asdasd"][QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.akuma303x
I doubt its "awful" sound, but it is worse sound than the PS3s HDMI.
no one cared when PS3 supported 1.2. It's funny to see the idiots get a kick out of it i guess. yah if only ps3 had 1.2 instead of 1.3. guess reason why no one is saying anything about ps3 hdmi because its a 1.3 . lol you made laugh though. all ths time you thought ps3 was a 1.2 ? lmao[QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Is the new 360 HDMI 1.3 ready like the PS3 is????Raidea
I love the fact that the only reason you've asked that question is to provoke argument.
You probably didn't even know what HDMI 1.3 was before you realised PS3 has it and 360 hasn't.
What does it matter when you realize it? The truth is the truth, fact is fact. I'm sure every 360 premium owner didn;t realize it either until the sweet Elite was announced. But there it is, pointless and all.[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Is the new 360 HDMI 1.3 ready like the PS3 is????dubvisions
I love the fact that the only reason you've asked that question is to provoke argument.
You probably didn't even know what HDMI 1.3 was before you realised PS3 has it and 360 hasn't.
What does it matter when you realize it? The truth is the truth, fact is fact. I'm sure every 360 premium owner didn;t realize it either until the sweet Elite was announced. But there it is, pointless and all.
Nope, you're right. But I'm just pointing out its more likely that he already knows this and he has just created the topic to annoy people.
What I'm really wondering is if anyone here can actually tell the difference between 1.2 and 1.3, or if they have even heard both to compare them! I doubt it very much.
[QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Is the new 360 HDMI 1.3 ready like the PS3 is????Raidea
I love the fact that the only reason you've asked that question is to provoke argument.
You probably didn't even know what HDMI 1.3 was before you realised PS3 has it and 360 hasn't.
What does it matter when you realize it? The truth is the truth, fact is fact. I'm sure every 360 premium owner didn;t realize it either until the sweet Elite was announced. But there it is, pointless and all.
Nope, you're right. But I'm just pointing out its more likely that he already knows this and he has just created the topic to annoy people.
What I'm really wondering is if anyone here can actually tell the difference between 1.2 and 1.3, or if they have even heard both to compare them! I doubt it very much.
Nope...no one will see the difference anytime soon...but they sleep better at night with dreams of 1.3
And when we finally can see a difference...it won't be in games....the first difference you'll notice is the enhanced Lip-Synching....and only if you've noticed the original problem before
[QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="asdasd"][QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.dubvisions
I doubt its "awful" sound, but it is worse sound than the PS3s HDMI.
no one cared when PS3 supported 1.2. It's funny to see the idiots get a kick out of it i guess. I'm pretty sure PS3 has 1.3. It's technically capable of it, but right now it lacks the firmware to use HDMI 1.3 features.[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Is the new 360 HDMI 1.3 ready like the PS3 is????HaibaneRenmei
I love the fact that the only reason you've asked that question is to provoke argument.
You probably didn't even know what HDMI 1.3 was before you realised PS3 has it and 360 hasn't.
What does it matter when you realize it? The truth is the truth, fact is fact. I'm sure every 360 premium owner didn;t realize it either until the sweet Elite was announced. But there it is, pointless and all.
Nope, you're right. But I'm just pointing out its more likely that he already knows this and he has just created the topic to annoy people.
What I'm really wondering is if anyone here can actually tell the difference between 1.2 and 1.3, or if they have even heard both to compare them! I doubt it very much.
Nope...no one will see the difference anytime soon...but they sleep better at night with dreams of 1.3
And when we finally can see a difference...it won't be in games....the first difference you'll notice is the enhanced Lip-Synching....and only if you've noticed the original problem before
You can't tell an audible difference between 1.2 and 1.3 because there is not a difference. For those that disagree, simple question....what is better than lossless? Answer is: NOTHING it is as good as it can get[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]Wait, I thought I was in the HD era.
Now there's a TrueHD era?
So 1.4 is going to be the HonestlyThisIsTheRealTrueHD ?
Then both consoles will be pwned.SolidTy
Hasn't happened yet, right now 1.3 is the best.
In the meantime, last year's PS3 included the most up to date HDMI available.
THe Elite, which isn't even out yet, WILL NOT.
That's the ownage you need to concern yourself with.
Well, consider this. AFAIK, neither Dolby TrueHD nor DTS-HD were supported in consumer devices at the time the 360 was created in 2005. Therefore, its sound chipset is incapable of encoding to those standards. Internally (for games), the 360 encodes to Dolby Digital 5.1--that's it. You only need an HDMI 1.1 link to transmit DD5.1. The Elite cannot overcome the deficiency because it would create incompatibilities (even if you had a different sound chipset, there's the matter of programming for other sound channels or for lossless transmission). For HD-DVD purposes, you can have the lossless bitstreams transmitted as PCM.[QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Is the new 360 HDMI 1.3 ready like the PS3 is????Raidea
I love the fact that the only reason you've asked that question is to provoke argument.
You probably didn't even know what HDMI 1.3 was before you realised PS3 has it and 360 hasn't.
LOL I knew the ps3 had I wanted to know is the new 360 had it aswell. just a question MO...
[QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="M_Fresh"]Is the new 360 HDMI 1.3 ready like the PS3 is????Raidea
I love the fact that the only reason you've asked that question is to provoke argument.
You probably didn't even know what HDMI 1.3 was before you realised PS3 has it and 360 hasn't.
What does it matter when you realize it? The truth is the truth, fact is fact. I'm sure every 360 premium owner didn;t realize it either until the sweet Elite was announced. But there it is, pointless and all.
Nope, you're right. But I'm just pointing out its more likely that he already knows this and he has just created the topic to annoy people.
What I'm really wondering is if anyone here can actually tell the difference between 1.2 and 1.3, or if they have even heard both to compare them! I doubt it very much.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/audioholics-hdmi-1-3-q-a
No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.HammerofjusticeWow, reading that post I've definitely had my ignorance quota filled for the day. HDMI 1.3 is a negligible improvement for the foreseeable future due to a lack of 1.3 receivers, and a lack of people who can afford $2000 receivers with amazing 7.1 surround sound to take advantage of 1.3, not to mention lack of displays atm to take advantage of xvYCC
Sony likes to be the early adopter (1.3 and blu-ray) and the cost of making their console cost considerably more than the rest....MS likes to go with what is necessaryHaibaneRenmeiI'm so glad they found it necessary to offer an improved version of the console just 18 months later.
[QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="asdasd"][QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.mjarantilla
I doubt its "awful" sound, but it is worse sound than the PS3s HDMI.
no one cared when PS3 supported 1.2. It's funny to see the idiots get a kick out of it i guess. I'm pretty sure PS3 has 1.3. It's technically capable of it, but right now it lacks the firmware to use HDMI 1.3 features. more lies, there is way too much lemming damage control in this thread, can admins lock this?
No it has HDMI 1.2 which has awful sound.HammerofjusticeNot that you can tell either way, since there's no 1.3 receivers out yet to hook your PS3 up to and receive the 1.3 quality audio.
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