360 exclusives sell so well because they dont innovate and MS doesnt take risks.

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well is very simple and common sense.. They keep releasing sequels to games that have sold well in the past.. pure and simple, this is and always has been their business model. MS and 360 gamers like to brag that exclusives sell so well on the 360, well ofcourse they do. Lets look at the current game line up for the 360 that have sold really well.. Gears of War, Gears of War 2, Halo 3, Halo 3 ODST, Forza 2, Forza 3, Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, you see the pattern there?

So the point is this. 360 exclusives sell so well because they dont innovate and dont take risks whatsoever. Their whole business model revolves around creating sequels that are guaranteed sells for them to a fanbase that will buy the games no matter what. If your a MS shareholder that would be great news for profits, but for the actual gaming community all it means is more sequels of games.

So yea, ill give MS this much.. their exclusives do sell more than PS3 exclusives. But its because they dont innovate and dont take risks on making new innovative games whatsoever. Sony has proved that you can still have hardcore games and yet be innovative..

look at PS3's lineup.. Uncharted 2, Demons souls, White Knight Chronicles, MAG, God Of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, The Last Guardian, Littlebigplanet, Modnation Racers, Heavy Rain, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank.. These are ALL PS3 exclusive from a wide wide range of genres. To the multiplayer shooter fests like MAG and Killzone 2, to the highly innovative fun Modnation Racers and LBP and then you have the adult oriented cinematic experirence of Heavy Rain and lastly you have the artsy action adventure game of The Last Guardian.

Look at any exclusive on the 360 that doesnt include marines, aliens, guns or racing cars and they have all flopped in sales.. Lost Odyssey, the last remnant, Banjo, Viva Pinata etc.

Lets be realistic here, innovation isn't strong in Sony's exclusives either. They're new IPs for the most part, but few are very creative.Skittles_McGee

Gears 2, Halo 3: ODST, and ME2 are insanely awesome games that do take risks and stand above their predecessors. Also, please, dude, pick a side of the fence to be on. Cow, lemming, or neutral. You can't keep swaying between the 3, it's just annoying.enterawesome

Play, create, shere FTW!

Wow, another damage control thread over sales. I thought sales don't matter anyway? :lol:

I thought they sell well because they are good games.

Its obvious MS business model is and always has been "keep creating sequels that will be guaranteed million sellers and repeat process" Just look at their exclusive line up, that tells the whole story.. Gears 1, Gears 2, Halo 3, Halo 3 Odst (and now Reach) Forza 2, Forza 3, PGR3, PGR4, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2. It just blows my mind that MS has all the money in the world and they just cant simply invest in much better 1st party developers and instead take the lazy way out by blowing 50 million on timed exclusive games and content, makes no sense whatsoever.. unless your a shareholder that is

Name one exclusive on the 360 that doesnt involve guns, marines, aliens and spaceships that have sold incredibly well? Kennysolidsnake

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Lets be realistic here, innovation isn't strong in Sony's exclusives either. They're new IPs for the most part, but few are very creative.Kennysolidsnake

Just because the game has a new title does not make the game original. Gears of War the 1st one sold a truck ton, and the 360's install base was around 12 million.

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]Name one exclusive on the 360 that doesnt involve guns, marines, aliens and spaceships that have sold incredibly well? IronBass

I thought they sell well because they are good games.

Chutebox

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well is very simple and common sense.. They keep releasing sequels to games that have sold well in the past..

Kennysolidsnake

Yes because MGSIV, KZ2, GT5, Resistance 2, GOW3, Uncharted 2 aren't all sequels right?

Nuts and BOlts was quite innovative, and while it didnt sell as well as the games you listed, it certainly wasnt a huge flop by any means.

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Lets be realistic here, innovation isn't strong in Sony's exclusives either. They're new IPs for the most part, but few are very creative.Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]Name one exclusive on the 360 that doesnt involve guns, marines, aliens and spaceships that have sold incredibly well? Kennysolidsnake

Yeah cause Sony doesnt exploit their successful games and make sequels........oh wait they do.

Fable 2 has sold ok, but still MS following the same exact step.. Fable 2, now Fable 3.. another sequelKennysolidsnake

I thought Forza 3 didn't sell that much?Stevo_the_gamer

it sold well enough, at least 1-2 mill I thought. :?

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well is very simple and common sense.. They keep releasing sequels to games that have sold well in the past..

robflores370

Yes because MGSIV, KZ2, GT5, Resistance 2, GOW3, Uncharted 2 aren't all sequels right?

I thought Forza 3 didn't sell that much?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Gears 2, Halo 3: ODST, and ME2 are insanely awesome games that do take risks and stand above their predecessors. Also, please, dude, pick a side of the fence to be on. Cow, lemming, or neutral. You can't keep swaying between the 3, it's just annoying.Kennysolidsnake

Im sure if Sony released a new MGS or GOW game every year or so, they would sell millions also.Kennysolidsnake

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I thought Forza 3 didn't sell that much?moose_knuckler

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well is very simple and common sense.. They keep releasing sequels to games that have sold well in the past..

robflores370

Yes because MGSIV, KZ2, GT5, Resistance 2, GOW3, Uncharted 2 aren't all sequels right?

*Facepalm*

on topic i will answers the raging people in this topic with inFamous,The Last Guardian,Heavy Rain,Little Big Planet,Heavenly Sword and Demons Souls.

Can we stop talking about the ps3 not having good IPs?

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"][QUOTE="enterawesome"]Gears 2, Halo 3: ODST, and ME2 are insanely awesome games that do take risks and stand above their predecessors. Also, please, dude, pick a side of the fence to be on. Cow, lemming, or neutral. You can't keep swaying between the 3, it's just annoying.enterawesome

Im lost,are we talking about new IPs or innovation?

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well is very simple and common sense.. They keep releasing sequels to games that have sold well in the past..

Regisland

Yes because MGSIV, KZ2, GT5, Resistance 2, GOW3, Uncharted 2 aren't all sequels right?

*Facepalm*

on topic i will answers the raging people in this topic with inFamous,The Last Guardian,Heavy Rain,Little Big Planet,Heavenly Sword and Demons Souls.

Can we stop talking about the ps3 not having good IPs?

*double facepalm*

I'm pretty sure there is a Heavenly Sword 2 in the works, Little Big Planet 2 and probably a sequel to Demons Souls.....why you ask? Because they sold well genius. Where did I ever say that the PS3 didn't have good IPs? I enjoy my PS3 exclusives, sequels or not, I just happen to think its common sense that sequels to good selling games will generally sell well on both the 360 and the PS3. Its common sense and both Sony and MS do this.

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well is very simple and common sense.. They keep releasing sequels to games that have sold well in the past..

robflores370

Yes because MGSIV, KZ2, GT5, Resistance 2, GOW3, Uncharted 2 aren't all sequels right?

MGS4 sold 5 mil and UC2 is just about 3 mil, remind me how thats bad sales. I guess unless it sells 10 mil, lems will say "buh teh salez failurz"

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well is very simple and common sense.. They keep releasing sequels to games that have sold well in the past..

iKINGBOBi

Yes because MGSIV, KZ2, GT5, Resistance 2, GOW3, Uncharted 2 aren't all sequels right?

MGS4 sold 5 mil and UC2 is just about 3 mil, remind me how thats bad sales. I guess unless it sells 10 mil, lems will say "buh teh salez failurz"

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well is very simple and common sense.. They keep releasing sequels to games that have sold well in the past..

iKINGBOBi

Yes because MGSIV, KZ2, GT5, Resistance 2, GOW3, Uncharted 2 aren't all sequels right?

MGS4 sold 5 mil and UC2 is just about 3 mil, remind me how thats bad sales. I guess unless it sells 10 mil, lems will say "buh teh salez failurz"

Those are great sales, I never said they were bad. In fact, I'm saying that both MS and Sony release sequels to games that have sold well in the past and guess what? They sell well! Imagine that!

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well is very simple and common sense.. They keep releasing sequels to games that have sold well in the past..

iKINGBOBi

Yes because MGSIV, KZ2, GT5, Resistance 2, GOW3, Uncharted 2 aren't all sequels right?

MGS4 sold 5 mil and UC2 is just about 3 mil, remind me how thats bad sales. I guess unless it sells 10 mil, lems will say "buh teh salez failurz"

You forgot to include Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo ODST, Halo Reach, Halo I'm going to milkage you to death. Absolutely no creativity at all.pstripl3

Yes just like MGS, MGS2, MGS3, MGS4, MGS portable ops, MGS peace walker, and MGS rising.

Quality topic lol, only Exclusive sequels sell well for Microsoft. Err how did Gears of War, anew IP sell so well and yet outsell Sony's biggest gameto date!MGS4 is the biggest selling game on PS3iirc? The next biggest selling exclusivegame is Uncharted 2, which is of course a sequel as well. I wonder how much God of War 3 and GT5 (if its ever released) well sell. I wonder if there could be a trend here?

How many do you reckon MAG will sell, its an innovative new IP? Only interested in Accurate facts from reputable sources such as NPD that actually receive official numbers from retailers and not estimates.

[QUOTE="pstripl3"]You forgot to include Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo ODST, Halo Reach, Halo I'm going to milkage you to death. Absolutely no creativity at all.robflores370

Yes just like MGS, MGS2, MGS3, MGS4, MGS portable ops, MGS peace walker, and MGS rising.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

[QUOTE="pstripl3"]You forgot to include Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo ODST, Halo Reach, Halo I'm going to milkage you to death. Absolutely no creativity at all.pstripl3

Yes just like MGS, MGS2, MGS3, MGS4, MGS portable ops, MGS peace walker, and MGS rising.

I must have had a special edition xbox because my last gen xbox played Halo and Halo 2. Why would it matter anyway?

While I'd rather not agree since it is kennysolidsnake, and I have equal respect for both console I do agree. MS has released some great games, but nothing innovative. Even the first Gears took all of its mechanics from other games, like RE4's shoulder aiming and kill.switch's cover down to the dot. Sony on the other hand has games like Heavy Rain, MAG, LittleBigPlanetandDemon's Souls, all offering a different game than what you could find somewhere else. Even Nintendo has the Professor Layton games and Scribblenauts.

That said, while Sony is known for taking great risks to the point of borderline insanity, MS still puts out good games. They've been in a slump lately, but even if they don't make a lot of new IP's or have a lot of studios to their name they give their fans just what they want. Much like with IW and Blizzard, they won't ever be confused for risk taking innovators, but they definitely seem to listen, even when they make some greedymistakes like overpricing ODST (which Bungie planned to release as an expansion).

Uncharted 2 is a good example (even if its a Sony game) that a great game doesn't have to innovate, it just has to do everything better and I'd say Halo: Reach looks to offer some of the best Halo ever even if there is nothing we haven't seen, while Splinter Cell: Conviction and Alan Wake at least seem to be trying some new things alongside their somewhat overdone TPS mechanics. If anything Alan Wake is the TV horror equivalent of Heavy Rain down to the interactive drama thing it has going on, even if lems won't admit it.

So TC, stop hating on all sides. It serves no purpose other than to fuel the fires of idiocy seen here in SW already.

The games sell well because their good games...what are you ranting on about dude. Ok, some of them are sequels, what's your point here?

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well is very simple and common sense.. They keep releasing sequels to games that have sold well in the past.. pure and simple, this is and always has been their business model. MS and 360 gamers like to brag that exclusives sell so well on the 360, well ofcourse they do. Lets look at the current game line up for the 360 that have sold really well.. Gears of War, Gears of War 2, Halo 3, Halo 3 ODST, Forza 2, Forza 3, Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, you see the pattern there?

So the point is this. 360 exclusives sell so well because they dont innovate and dont take risks whatsoever. Their whole business model revolves around creating sequels that are guaranteed sells for them to a fanbase that will buy the games no matter what. If your a MS shareholder that would be great news for profits, but for the actual gaming community all it means is more sequels of games.

So yea, ill give MS this much.. their exclusives do sell more than PS3 exclusives. But its because they dont innovate and dont take risks on making new innovative games whatsoever. Sony has proved that you can still have hardcore games and yet be innovative..

look at PS3's lineup.. Uncharted 2, Demons souls, White Knight Chronicles, MAG, God Of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, The Last Guardian, Littlebigplanet, Modnation Racers, Heavy Rain, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank.. These are ALL PS3 exclusive from a wide wide range of genres. To the multiplayer shooter fests like MAG and Killzone 2, to the highly innovative fun Modnation Racers and LBP and then you have the adult oriented cinematic experirence of Heavy Rain and lastly you have the artsy action adventure game of The Last Guardian.

Look at any exclusive on the 360 that doesnt include marines, aliens, guns or racing cars and they have all flopped in sales.. Lost Odyssey, the last remnant, Banjo, Viva Pinata etc.

Kennysolidsnake

The very existence of VP, VP2, Kameo, Banjo N&B, LO etc renders your hypothesis null and void.

Indeed, the logic of your thread is this:

The reason 360 exclusives sell so well...is because they sell so well. You have said nothing more than this.

This is because you have chosen to ignore all exclusives that haven't sold so well. Which leaves only the ones that have sold well. And guess what, when exclusives sell well they spawn sequels. Just like when multiplats sell well they spawn sequels.

Just like your list of PS3 exclusives half of which are sequels. The other half aren't released yet or are just released like MAG, but if they are sales successes they will of course spawn sequels...at which point will you say that they don't innovate/take risks?

It is hardly a surprise that the top 20 PS3 sellers are multiplat sequels, exclusive sequels, original IPs that spawned a sequel, or original IPs for which a sequel is under development....because the top sellers always result in sequels....duh.

or TC...they could just be incredible games that attract a wide audience?

[QUOTE="Regisland"]

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

Yes because MGSIV, KZ2, GT5, Resistance 2, GOW3, Uncharted 2 aren't all sequels right?

robflores370

*Facepalm*

on topic i will answers the raging people in this topic with inFamous,The Last Guardian,Heavy Rain,Little Big Planet,Heavenly Sword and Demons Souls.

Can we stop talking about the ps3 not having good IPs?

*double facepalm*

I'm pretty sure there is a Heavenly Sword 2 in the works, Little Big Planet 2 and probably a sequel to Demons Souls.....why you ask? Because they sold well genius. Where did I ever say that the PS3 didn't have good IPs? I enjoy my PS3 exclusives, sequels or not, I just happen to think its common sense that sequels to good selling games will generally sell well on both the 360 and the PS3. Its common sense and both Sony and MS do this.

Cool,Sony tells you all their next games.....can I be your friend?You seem like a very important person with that knowledge!!!111!

You can't fault the 360 for lack of innovation, then turn around and praise the PS3 for sequels. UC2, KZ2, MGS4 and GT5.... top tier, but sequels that bring nothing really new to the table. Even Little Big Planet borrows and refines things done in other games.

360 games sell well because, not only are they quality games, they have a fantastic underlying infrastructure in Xbox Live and are generally better marketed. Just look at the two big releases this week as prime examples.