360 = for casual gamers, PS3 = for hardcore gamers. Who agrees?

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#51 SpruceCaboose
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Not alot of supporting evidence, there.
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#52 OhSnapitz
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"]The way i see it: 360 - Harcore (evident by the software sales) Wii - Casuals, and old people :P PS3 - Hardcore Sony and PS2 fans?? Last 2 gens, Sony had BOTH, thats why they won so easily, this gen, the Wii changed everything, casuals no longer go to the playstation brand, and Sony basically GAVE MS the hardcore (i have to admit microsoft did a good job seizing open opourtunity) by the high price point, and taking so long to get a good library.

This statement just about sums up this thread..
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#53 carsales
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[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

Seriously though. Ever since the beginning of 2008, PS3 has had the better exclusives with better graphics, whereas the only thing the 360 has going for it is the lower price. Multiplats are absolutely equal for both consoles. And of course the PS3 has always had much more reliable hardware. So, worse exclusives + lower price console = 360 = more for casual gamers.

Who agrees?

multi plats look better on the 360. although the difference is less and less with each game
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#54 RyanShazam
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How about

360=Gamers PS3=Gamers

Man do i hate this casual and hardcore crap people talk about.

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#55 heretrix
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LOL @ people that need to categorize themselves as a particular gamer to feel special.

What if you have all of the systems? Does that make you double hardcore/casual?

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#56 Baurus_1
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[QUOTE="AnObscureName"]Define hardcore and casual...acsguitar

Easy!

Casual Gamers don't spend a good portion of their life playing video games

Hardcore Gamers do.

Accessibility is a different issue. Casual gamers don't neccesarily have to suck at games. I think the media has this wrong. The WII is as accessible to Casual gamers as the PS3.

However, the Wii is more accessible to Begginer gamers then the PS3 is. I think we should start defining by accessibility to begginers and advanced gamers.

The X360 is probably more accessible to Begginer gamers then the PS3 just due to its more well known software library. However, I don't think its a huge difference.

The Wii and DS cater to a WIDE range of gaming abilities and needs. The x360, PS3, and PC narrow down the niches.

No, hardcore gaming is not about how much time you spend playing games, it's about looking for depth, originality, story, etc, in the games you play, and not just what is "popular" (although many games do become popular because they are very good). Hardcore gaming is not about just looking for the cheapest console with the most games, but instead it's about looking at the quality of the games.
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#57 heretrix
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Not alot of supporting evidence, there.SpruceCaboose

There never is Spruce, there never is.

I like the new sig BTW.

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#58 RyanShazam
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LOL @ people that need to categorize themselves as a particular gamer to feel special.

What if you have all of the systems? Does that make you double hardcore/casual?

heretrix

Haha i completely agree with you.

Im better than you because I play Hardcore games, and you only play causal games. HAHAHAHAHA

Haha im better than you because i own the Hardcore PS3 and you only own the Casual 360. LOL

ANyways your right am i double awesome super cool hardcore/casual gamer because i own all 3 consoles?

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#59 Racer_XLR
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..... I don't get this Hardcore/casual stuff. If I remember correctly, there was a thread by Kansasdude (I think that's him) stating that the Wii is just as hardcore as the PS3. Too lazy to find the thread though..
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#60 heretrix
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[QUOTE="acsguitar"]

[QUOTE="AnObscureName"]Define hardcore and casual...Baurus_1

Easy!

Casual Gamers don't spend a good portion of their life playing video games

Hardcore Gamers do.

Accessibility is a different issue. Casual gamers don't neccesarily have to suck at games. I think the media has this wrong. The WII is as accessible to Casual gamers as the PS3.

However, the Wii is more accessible to Begginer gamers then the PS3 is. I think we should start defining by accessibility to begginers and advanced gamers.

The X360 is probably more accessible to Begginer gamers then the PS3 just due to its more well known software library. However, I don't think its a huge difference.

The Wii and DS cater to a WIDE range of gaming abilities and needs. The x360, PS3, and PC narrow down the niches.

No, hardcore gaming is not about how much time you spend playing games, it's about looking for depth, originality, story, etc, in the games you play, and not just what is "popular" (although many games do become popular because they are very good). Hardcore gaming is not about just looking for the cheapest console with the most games, but instead looking at the quality of the games.

Nonsense. That definition isn't anymore accurate than the one you oppose, because there is no standard definition of what makes a hardcore or casual gamer and anybody that thinks they know one is full of it.

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#61 SpruceCaboose
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LOL @ people that need to categorize themselves as a particular gamer to feel special.

What if you have all of the systems? Does that make you double hardcore/casual?

heretrix
And good looking... :P
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#62 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

LOL @ people that need to categorize themselves as a particular gamer to feel special.

What if you have all of the systems? Does that make you double hardcore/casual?

RyanShazam

Haha i completely agree with you.

Im better than you because I play Hardcore games, and you only play causal games. HAHAHAHAHA

Haha im better than you because i own the Hardcore PS3 and you only own the Casual 360. LOL

ANyways your right am i double awesome super cool hardcore/casual gamer because i own all 3 consoles?

I guess I'm perfect double hardcore because I don't own a Wii anymore but I do have a serious gaming rig.:P
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#63 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

LOL @ people that need to categorize themselves as a particular gamer to feel special.

What if you have all of the systems? Does that make you double hardcore/casual?

SpruceCaboose
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LOL...Teh chix magnet.
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#64 haziqonfire
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If anything the Playstation brand itself attracts more "casual" gamers because of its reputation with the PS1 and PS2. Though I think that all three consoles can be called "casual" consoles because many casual players buy PS3/360/Wii.
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#65 Nisim19
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NG2 = most hardcore game in this gen this year the 360 have NG2 , TOV, LO , GEARS 2 , FABLE 2 this list is much more hardcore then MGS4, LBP , R2
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#66 RyanShazam
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[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

LOL @ people that need to categorize themselves as a particular gamer to feel special.

What if you have all of the systems? Does that make you double hardcore/casual?

heretrix

Haha i completely agree with you.

Im better than you because I play Hardcore games, and you only play causal games. HAHAHAHAHA

Haha im better than you because i own the Hardcore PS3 and you only own the Casual 360. LOL

ANyways your right am i double awesome super cool hardcore/casual gamer because i own all 3 consoles?

I guess I'm perfect double hardcore because I don't own a Wii anymore but I do have a serious gaming rig.:P

Haha! i should get rid of my Wii also that way i can be a Perfect Double Hardcore Gamer.

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#67 abmac713
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[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"][QUOTE="December24"]

Status after weeping: unchanged. Gears of War 2 still trumps any PlayStation 3 game graphically to date. And the original Gears of War owns Uncharted in graphics.

December24

mgs4 and uncharted are better in graphics than gears 1 and 2...take ur goggle fanboy glasses off and u will see..and i u still think gears 2 looks better..ok fine..be happy until the 27th february when killzone 2 comes out and becomes the graphics king....

Status after another ignorant person: unchanged. Gears of War 2 is the graphics king on consoles as of now. Deal with it. And be happy with Killzone 2 until another game comes out months after and trumps Killzone 2. This is now. It's Gears of War 2.

Well Gamespot and the VGA's beg to differ.....you seem too sure of yourself. Anywho, I don't agree, I think they both have their way with casual and hardcore gamers. PS3 has LBP, 360 has Banjo, etc.

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#68 deactivated-61010a1ed19f4
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You are wrong.

hardcore gamers want the best games and best selection

casuals want features like blu-ray and home.

so

360 = hardcore

Ps3 = casual

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#69 -epidemik-
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Not really.

I'm still not quite sure what youre declaring as "hard core". There really arent very many exlcusives, at least it feels like theres less than PS2/xbox.

As far as graphics, yeah the ps3 may have "better hardware", but in the graphics comparisons gamespot did, I'd say the 360 beat the PS3 (and of course PC won).

If youre basing "hardcoreness" on graphics and expense, PC beats PS3.

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#70 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

LOL @ people that need to categorize themselves as a particular gamer to feel special.

What if you have all of the systems? Does that make you double hardcore/casual?

heretrix
And good looking... :P

LOL...Teh chix magnet.

The allure is doubled once again if you have teh PSP, cuz it gets you teh girlz.
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]If anything the Playstation brand itself attracts more "casual" gamers because of its reputation with the PS1 and PS2. Though I think that all three consoles can be called "casual" consoles because many casual players buy PS3/360/Wii.

PS1 wasn't casual, the 64 was, The PS2 and GC were both equally casual
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#72 c1o2d3y
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You are wrong.

hardcore gamers want the best games and best selection

casuals want features like blu-ray and home.

so

360 = hardcore

Ps3 = casual

scottiescott238
If hardcore gamers want the best selection of games then they would own all 4
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#73 Silverbond
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The definitions for hardcore gamers have serious holes.

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#74 SpruceCaboose
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The definitions for hardcore gamers have serious holes.

Silverbond
Which definition? There are several.
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#75 destro123
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disgaree 100%. If anything i would think that 360 owners would be the more hardcore gamers because the 360 has more FPS and RTS/RPG games, which can get very competetive. Also since every game is almost online it makes it even more competive. I think the ps3 would be for the more causal gamer just because i think it has more adventure style games. Games that you can just chill and play without getting fustrated.
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#76 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

The definitions for hardcore gamers have serious holes.

SpruceCaboose

Which definition? There are several.

That is also part of the problem. Self-proclaimed "hardcore gamers" can't even agree on a definition.

To answer your question, I was referring to the one above me.

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#78 DeadMan1290
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What makes 360 games so casual and PS3 games hardcore?Aljosa23
The Cell dude, teh Cell.
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#79 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

The definitions for hardcore gamers have serious holes.

Silverbond

Which definition? There are several.

That is also part of the problem. Self-proclaimed "hardcore gamers" can't even agree on a definition.

To answer your question, I was referring to the one above me.

I feel that the difference is in intensity. You have your average moviegoers and then you have your movie buffs. Similar concept. Some people just play games to pass the time, and then there are people who really love the hobby and devote alot of time and effort into gaming.
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#80 AlexSays
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The 360 is more hardcore than PS3. Just look at Halo for starterskerpal_cz
Are you saying Halo is a hardcore series? I just want to be sure of this.
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#81 Hk47ownz
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In all honesty, I disagree. PS3 does have some great exclusives, but that doesn't mean that the Xbox 360 exclusives are only for the casual gamer. I know plenty of serious gamers who love their 360s.

It works both ways though, the PS3 isn't just for the hardcore people.

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#82 DeadMan1290
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[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]

You are wrong.

hardcore gamers want the best games and best selection

casuals want features like blu-ray and home.

so

360 = hardcore

Ps3 = casual

You're basically saying console owners ARE NOT hardcore but PC gamers are. PC gamers have the best selection and best games.
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[QUOTE="kerpal_cz"]The 360 is more hardcore than PS3. Just look at Halo for startersAlexSays
Are you saying Halo is a hardcore series? I just want to be sure of this.

Sure can be, just as easily as it can be a casually played series.
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#84 whitetiger3521
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What is your definition of "hardcore" and "casual"?
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#85 W1NGMAN-
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Actually when I look at both systems layouts you can tell the 360 is a straight up gamers console, the colors they decided to use, the avatars, the gamercards, the way the friends list is displayed...

Everything about the 360 is "gamy"

As for the PS3, Sony went for the more elegant approach which gives the system a much more casual look.

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[QUOTE="kerpal_cz"]The 360 is more hardcore than PS3. Just look at Halo for startersAlexSays
Are you saying Halo is a hardcore series? I just want to be sure of this.

I am.

People that I know that play Halo religiously are incredible. I think it has a hardcore following, not just the numbers, but the way they play it. Do you disagree?

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I think people who take enough time out of their daily lives to analyze how much more hardcore their system is than a competing system so they feel as if their purchase is justified need to get a new hobby to take up all that spare time.

You could channel all that time into a college course and learn how to render emergency first aid, or actually play your hardcore games.

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#88 AlexSays
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SpruceCaboose
That point is irrelevant. He's trying to use that game to show one console is more hardcore than another.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]Are you saying Halo is a hardcore series? I just want to be sure of this.kerpal_cz

I am.

People that I know that play Halo religiously are incredible. I think it has a hardcore following, not just the numbers, but the way they play it. Do you disagree?

Halo's casual following is just as big, if not bigger, than those who play it religiously. Using a game that appeals to both demographics cannot be used to support your theory of one console being more hardcore than another.
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#89 delta3074
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ps3 ain't hard core it does not have gears 2 or left for dead, it also doesn't have the hardcore gamers online choice halo 3.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]AlexSays

That point is irrelevant. He's trying to use that game to show one console is more hardcore than another.

What point?

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#91 atm0073
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There are both hardcore and casual gamers on both systems - there is no argument there. I don't agree with how you feel, but you have the right idea, to some extent. I would rephrase it in saying that the PS3 has more games that would appeal to hardcore gamers than the 360 does. Other than that, both systems are pretty equal in regards to that idea, but I do feel that the Xbox 360 has a slight edge, and the console's sales aren't the only thing that show it. By the way you're completely wrong about the 360 having worse exclusives. I'd prefer Halo 3 and Fable II over Resistance and Little Big Planet any day, and so would a lot of other people.
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ps3 ain't hard core it does not have gears 2 or left for dead, it also doesn't have the hardcore gamers online choice halo 3.delta3074
360 does not have Disgaea 3 or Valkyria Chronicles, the console TRPGs of choice for hardcore gamers.... See how silly that is?
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Regarding Halo, it amazed me how many people on my friends list were still playing Halo 2 religiously right up until the release of Halo 3.
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#94 AlexSays
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[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]SpruceCaboose

That point is irrelevant. He's trying to use that game to show one console is more hardcore than another.

What point?

That Halo, like other games, can be played by either way. He's using a game that can be played either way to say something is more this than the other.
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[QUOTE="delta3074"]ps3 ain't hard core it does not have gears 2 or left for dead, it also doesn't have the hardcore gamers online choice halo 3.SpruceCaboose
360 does not have Disgaea 3 or Valkyria Chronicles, the console TRPGs of choice for hardcore gamers.... See how silly that is?

that depends on how you look at it, you say that disgaea or valkyrie chronicles is the console TRPS's choice for hardcore gamers but at the same time games like left 4 dead and halo 3 are the console FPS of choice for hardcore gamers,people bought twice as many copies of cod 4 on the xbox 360 as they did for the ps3, so therefore the 360 is the hardcore FPS gamers console of choice, i am a hardcore fps player and the 360 is my console of choice for FPS, cos the ps3 has 2 decent FPS exclusives (r2 and KZ2) and multiplat FPS have the edge over the ps3 version, i have been playing games since the spectrum 48K, so trust me i am a hardcore gamer.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="AlexSays"]That point is irrelevant. He's trying to use that game to show one console is more hardcore than another. AlexSays
What point?

That Halo, like other games, can be played by either way. He's using a game that can be played either way to say something is more this than the other.

Every game can be played either way. Every game.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="delta3074"]ps3 ain't hard core it does not have gears 2 or left for dead, it also doesn't have the hardcore gamers online choice halo 3.delta3074
360 does not have Disgaea 3 or Valkyria Chronicles, the console TRPGs of choice for hardcore gamers.... See how silly that is?

that depends on how you look at it, you say that disgaea or valkyrie chronicles is the console TRPS's choice for hardcore gamers but at the same time games like left 4 dead and halo 3 are the console FPS of choice for hardcore gamers,people bought twice as many copies of cod 4 on the xbox 360 as they did for the ps3, so therefore the 360 is the hardcore FPS gamers console of choice, i am a hardcore fps player and the 360 is my console of choice for FPS, cos the ps3 has 2 decent FPS exclusives (r2 and KZ2) and multiplat FPS have the edge over the ps3 version, i have been playing games since the spectrum 48K, so trust me i am a hardcore gamer.

I was using the point to show how silly it is. Each console does something better than the other, and to someone who hates FPS games, maybe the 360 is a casual, poor console of choice...
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#98 AlexSays
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Every game can be played either way. Every game.SpruceCaboose
Thank you. Now say that to the user trying to say one console is more hardcore because of a certain franchise. When presented to me (repeatedly in this case) your point is irrelevant as it's the same point I've already tried to convey.
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#99 delta3074
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] 360 does not have Disgaea 3 or Valkyria Chronicles, the console TRPGs of choice for hardcore gamers.... See how silly that is?

that depends on how you look at it, you say that disgaea or valkyrie chronicles is the console TRPS's choice for hardcore gamers but at the same time games like left 4 dead and halo 3 are the console FPS of choice for hardcore gamers,people bought twice as many copies of cod 4 on the xbox 360 as they did for the ps3, so therefore the 360 is the hardcore FPS gamers console of choice, i am a hardcore fps player and the 360 is my console of choice for FPS, cos the ps3 has 2 decent FPS exclusives (r2 and KZ2) and multiplat FPS have the edge over the ps3 version, i have been playing games since the spectrum 48K, so trust me i am a hardcore gamer.

I was using the point to show how silly it is. Each console does something better than the other, and to someone who hates FPS games, maybe the 360 is a casual, poor console of choice...

sorry mate i took what you said out of context, i completely agree with you the ps3 is console of choice for harcore gamers in on category, and the xbox 360 is the console of choice for hardcore gamers of another gategory, again my apologies
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Every game can be played either way. Every game.AlexSays
Thank you. Now say that to the user trying to say one console is more hardcore because of a certain franchise. When presented to me (repeatedly in this case) your point is irrelevant as it's the same point I've already tried to convey.

I will say it to anyone. Whether or not they get the point is a whole different matter entirely.