360 has zero games.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"] And it will always have a year head start so deal with it. I bet you do not cry about a head start when PS2 games are talked about. Fact is the 360 has a better game libarySpruceCaboose

Hmm...seems like facts and opinions are blurred again.

The 360 has a better game library...to you.

Just because some may like the PS3 games more does not make them better. Would you say the Maria Carrey movie was better then Gone With the Wind because some people like it better?

Funny, I didn't know that GameSpot, MetaCritic, Gamerankings etc, were me. Here I thought that my opinions mattered to me. Thank you for showing me that I should let peoples on the interwebs think for me.

And FYI, some great movies, including the Critical #1 of all time Citizen Kane, were panned by critics in their own time. Lets think a bit before throwing out weak analogies.

Not only have 360 games scored by much better then PS3 games but they sell better. Also do not give me larger user base because 360 sells more then 2-1 software compared to PS3. So in general gamers think those games are better also.

As far as Citizen Kane that is one movie. Sure some games get overlooked also. So you trying to say every PS3 game was under rated and every 360 over rated because it is not like just one game seperates them in AAA or AA.

Do not try and act like I said everyone had to prefer the 360 games. Like I said some may prefer Maria Carrey movie over Gone With the Wind but just because some prefer that movie does not make that movie a better movie. Just better for them it is. That is the same with games.

Not only have 360 games scored by much better then PS3 games but they sell better. Also do not give me larger user base because 360 sells more then 2-1 software compared to PS3. So in general gamers think those games are better also.

As far as Citizen Kane that is one movie. Sure some games get overlooked also. So you trying to say every PS3 game was over rated and every 360 under rated because it is not like just one game seperates them in AAA or AA.

Eltroz

You wrote:

Fact is the 360 has a better game libaryEltroz

That is not a fact. Better is a value judgement, and as such, is completely up to opinion. You could have said the 360 has overall higher ranked games. That is true, and is a "fact".

However, just saying something is better or worse is just stating an opinion, and you were trying to pass that opinion off as universal, which is a huge no-no.

I may agree with you ( and I do ATM) that the 360 has a better lineup to me, but when you try and make your opinions universal, you fail.

So the X-Plorer Guitar I've been holding for half a year isn't real?

Is it a magical pinata that will grant all my wishes?

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]

Do not try and act like I said everyone had to prefer the 360 games. Like I said some may prefer Maria Carrey movie over Gone With the Wind but just because some prefer that movie does not make that movie a better movie. Just better for them it is. That is the same with games.

Not only have 360 games scored by much better then PS3 games but they sell better. Also do not give me larger user base because 360 sells more then 2-1 software compared to PS3. So in general gamers think those games are better also.

As far as Citizen Kane that is one movie. Sure some games get overlooked also. So you trying to say every PS3 game was over rated and every 360 under rated because it is not like just one game seperates them in AAA or AA.

SpruceCaboose

You wrote:

Fact is the 360 has a better game libaryEltroz

That is not a fact. Better is a value judgement, and as such, is completely up to opinion. You could have said the 360 has overall higher ranked games. That is true, and is a "fact".

However, just saying something is better or worse is just stating an opinion, and you were trying to pass that opinion off as universal, which is a huge no-no.

I may agree with you ( and I do ATM) that the 360 has a better lineup to me, but when you try and make your opinions universal, you fail.

It's just that simple.. Brilliant, I must say.

Ironic; in your sig, you only count Gamespot for Mass Effect, and you consider it a flop? Look at IGN; Mass Efect = 9.4. Clearly a fanboy...Cerberus_Legion

exactly what I was thinking

Stumpt25

What... u mean big names like IGN? perhaps?

R&C: 9.4

U:DF: 9.1

R:FOM: 9.2

self ownage at its finest. IGN says Mass Effect is 9.4. You claim its a flop. You also claim GS scores aren't what matters. You fail.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Lemmings didn't start this whole "flop" thing in System Wars.

Ragnarok1051

They took it to the next level.

you have no idea. seriously, just don't even say a word because you have NO idea about SW from last gen when the Cows and their OFJC was created just to make fun of lemmings since most of the flopping was done on XBOX. Seriously noob, just be quiet, I've been here since '02 and I can tell you Lemmings were torn apart by the Cows here all last gen. The "Flop" thing was created by the Queen of Cows aka Ramza.

I agree, the 360 is an amazing console.club-sandwich

I agree,The 360 is an amazing console.

I agree, the 360 is an amazing console.club-sandwich

360 also has amazing games :P.

[QUOTE="-platy-"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

[QUOTE="-platy-"]you would rather play a-aa exclusives then aaa games, i pitty youStumpt25

R&C, Uncharted and R:Fom were AAA for most reviewers

SURE the median was AA, but the mode of the games was AAA.

and what on earth makes MGS4 AA material?

i cant talk about mgs nor will i, but you say exclusives are what matter and most big name ps3 exclusives are averaging a-aa

What... u mean big names like IGN? perhaps?

R&C: 9.4

U:DF: 9.1

If you are going to use IGN for those scores, then you must also use IGN for the 360 scores as well.

R:FOM: 9.2

[QUOTE="-platy-"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

[QUOTE="-platy-"]you would rather play a-aa exclusives then aaa games, i pitty youStumpt25

R&C, Uncharted and R:Fom were AAA for most reviewers

SURE the median was AA, but the mode of the games was AAA.

and what on earth makes MGS4 AA material?

i cant talk about mgs nor will i, but you say exclusives are what matter and most big name ps3 exclusives are averaging a-aa

What... u mean big names like IGN? perhaps?

R&C: 9.4

U:DF: 9.1

R:FOM: 9.2

If you are going to use IGN scores for those games, you have to use IGN for the 360 scores as well.

GameSpot site info

IGN site info

Just so you know, before you make untrue claims. ;)

SpruceCaboose

you owned a lot of people with that post :P

man u really right,I was always want to say the same thing,xbox360 is zero games.

I'm noticing that all the posters with DBZ avatars have a tendency to troll...Verge_6

Probably overly defensive due to their firmly held beliefs that DBZ is the best anime series ever. :roll:

All they have are games which get ported to the PC (and look better)... Boohoo...

"So what!!!! Teh PS3 ownerzz dont all have 1337 PC's!!!!"

sure we dont... but the point is, if you want to play EXCLUSIVE games, like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, R:FOM, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Haze, Final fantasy, etc.etc.etc. you NEED to buy the PS3....

to get good games like GeOW, Halo 3, Bioshock wtver You may as well kick the 360 in the dirt. Sure you got Forza! Sure you got Mass Effect! but thats it... big deal.... Cause a better deal would be a gaming PC which only requires minor updates every 2 years or so.

We are already seeing how graphically superior the PS3 is. And again, you may say:

"Multiplatz are better on the 360!!!!!!!!"

Not always, AC and Oblivion are better on the PS3... And think about the logic... We can get graphics like Uncharted, HS and Ratchet... but we cant get graphics for things like NFL 08??? PLEASE, its only a matter of time till developers find easier and cheaper ways of developing for the PS3...

Im sorry Lemms, but your arguements are getting weaker and weaker daily...

Stumpt25

The problem with your argument is that 360 sales are doing quite well in comparison to PS3 last time I checked. I'm not a fan boy or anything, and I'm actually thinking about getting a PS3, so don't think of me as biased, but facts are facts.

The reason these games sell well for the console is that not everyone wants to upgrade their PC when a new game comes out. Sure..there's that option, but I'd rather settle for a console that'll last a few years and will play the games no matter what. So even if games get ported to PC, it's more money for Microsoft which owns Xbox anyways. Either way the company makes a profit off the games.

Besides, you're making claims on games like MGS4 and Killzone 2 and others that aren't even out yet. So TECHNICALLY they don't count as games since they're not sitting in your living room ready to be played. I think you'd better quit while you're (not) ahead sir.

WTF, is it opposite day? It's the PS3 and Wii that have few compelling games.

Maybe if you keep saying it, it will come true.

Hmm Funny I could have sworn I was just playing a game.... Must have been an extreamly interactive moviehtekemerald

Nah, MGS4 isn't on the 360 ;)

I've played all the plaforms and I have yet to see PS3 look alot better than the 360.

IMO as a computer technician I do not think the PS3 has the power to be lots better. Both have their plus points but in all the PS3's GPU is not that great and even with help from CPU the help will be hindered by bandwidths and will not be able to aid it as if it was more faster RAM onboard.

In all the PS3 may have a few first party titles that look great but nothing that will blow the 360 away. Both consoles are fairly equal.

As much as Uncharted looks great and R&C looks splendid I dont think some of 360's titles are much worse off. I still think Gears has the better graphicsover Uncharted, tho Uncharted has slightly larger levels. Even R&C looks great but only a bit better than Kameo which is a launch title.

I own a gaming laptop and I still find I purchase a lot of PC games on my 360 just becoz of the community, achievements and easibility.

The PS3 will be a good console and a muct own late 2008 but if anybody can afford only one console my answer is 360 everytime. Same as it was PS2 last gen. The better and larger library is what is important. Thats all...

All they have are games which get ported to the PC (and look better)... Boohoo...

"So what!!!! Teh PS3 ownerzz dont all have 1337 PC's!!!!"

sure we dont... but the point is, if you want to play EXCLUSIVE games, like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, R:FOM, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Haze, Final fantasy, etc.etc.etc. you NEED to buy the PS3....

to get good games like GeOW, Halo 3, Bioshock wtver You may as well kick the 360 in the dirt. Sure you got Forza! Sure you got Mass Effect! but thats it... big deal.... Cause a better deal would be a gaming PC which only requires minor updates every 2 years or so.

We are already seeing how graphically superior the PS3 is. And again, you may say:

"Multiplatz are better on the 360!!!!!!!!"

Not always, AC and Oblivion are better on the PS3... And think about the logic... We can get graphics like Uncharted, HS and Ratchet... but we cant get graphics for things like NFL 08??? PLEASE, its only a matter of time till developers find easier and cheaper ways of developing for the PS3...

Im sorry Lemms, but your arguements are getting weaker and weaker daily...

Stumpt25

o please the 360 has the games out right now no questions asked. get over it fanboy.

One word:

Banjo Threeie

sexy_chimp

That's two... :|

All I have to say is CoD4 MP> Halo 3 MP. It has nothing to do with this thread but that is the truth. Just face it, Halo 3 has been beaten very hard.SmokieX

And TF2>>COD4>>Halo 3

[QUOTE="-platy-"]you would rather play a-aa exclusives then aaa games, i pitty you-PS360FTW-

the 360 only has 4 AAA games(exlusive)I only enjoyed 2 out of the 4

forza and halo

that just proves AAA games dont mean their great

Oh thanks for the "proof". I am glad we have people like you who don't have opinions, they state fact.

All they have are games which get ported to the PC (and look better)... Boohoo...

"So what!!!! Teh PS3 ownerzz dont all have 1337 PC's!!!!"

sure we dont... but the point is, if you want to play EXCLUSIVE games, like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, R:FOM, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Haze, Final fantasy, etc.etc.etc. you NEED to buy the PS3....

to get good games like GeOW, Halo 3, Bioshock wtver You may as well kick the 360 in the dirt. Sure you got Forza! Sure you got Mass Effect! but thats it... big deal.... Cause a better deal would be a gaming PC which only requires minor updates every 2 years or so.

We are already seeing how graphically superior the PS3 is. And again, you may say:

"Multiplatz are better on the 360!!!!!!!!"

Not always, AC and Oblivion are better on the PS3... And think about the logic... We can get graphics like Uncharted, HS and Ratchet... but we cant get graphics for things like NFL 08??? PLEASE, its only a matter of time till developers find easier and cheaper ways of developing for the PS3...

Im sorry Lemms, but your arguements are getting weaker and weaker daily...

Stumpt25

Your argument has maintained the exact same level of weakness. Typing "just a matter of time" doesn't make you blush after all this time?

WTF, is it opposite day? It's the PS3 and Wii that have few compelling games.

Maybe if you keep saying it, it will come true.

donalbane

It's like the gov't talking points, saying the names Bin Laden and Saddam in the same sentences over and over for months until the public is convinced of a link that never existed and was never actually claimed.

Not everyone has a 1337 PC you know. And many of them are on the PC long after they were out on the 360.Guiltfeeder566

Exactly how long will it take for Halo 3 to actually reach the PC? Halo 2 took so long, it essentially undermined any cow arguments regarding exclusivity.

Not everyone has a 1337 PC you know. And many of them are on the PC long after they were out on the 360.Guiltfeeder566

Nope.

Cows have proved time & time again that they all own high-end gaming PCs. Just accept it now.

if the 360 "has zero games" why is the attach ratio of software sold to consoles sold higher than any other console.

tc = pwned by your own silliness....

[QUOTE="donalbane"]

WTF, is it opposite day? It's the PS3 and Wii that have few compelling games.

Maybe if you keep saying it, it will come true.

dsmccracken

It's like the gov't talking points, saying the names Bin Laden and Saddam in the same sentences over and over for months until the public is convinced of a link that never existed and was never actually claimed.

QFT!

I'm glad more people know this.:)

[QUOTE="-platy-"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

[QUOTE="-platy-"]you would rather play a-aa exclusives then aaa games, i pitty youStumpt25

R&C, Uncharted and R:Fom were AAA for most reviewers

SURE the median was AA, but the mode of the games was AAA.

and what on earth makes MGS4 AA material?

i cant talk about mgs nor will i, but you say exclusives are what matter and most big name ps3 exclusives are averaging a-aa

What... u mean big names like IGN? perhaps?

R&C: 9.4

U:DF: 9.1

R:FOM: 9.2

Regarding Mass Effect (A.K.A. Massive Flop):

TheSystemLord1 wrote:

EPaul wrote:Its going to get a 8.5 i just have a feeling

So wrong...so wrong

ME 9.4 http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/718/718963.html

Which makes your sig a little hypocritical

[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]gridlok

What... u mean big names like IGN? perhaps?

R&C: 9.4

U:DF: 9.1

R:FOM: 9.2

self ownage at its finest. IGN says Mass Effect is 9.4. You claim its a flop. You also claim GS scores aren't what matters. You fail.

Self ownage? Where do i say that ME is a flop? In my first post i state that ME is actually one of the FEW reasons to buy a 360... Way to go.

Anyone else just wanna grab the TC and go "no. no no no no no no no no. NO."Chack1598

Hot chicks want to grab me... :D