360 vs PS3: HDMI 1.3

The GT fiasco over Full RGB has pointed out a capability of the PS3 over the 360: HDMI 1.3 compliance.

A normal video signal contains values of 16-256 for the red, green, blue and luminance values. This is the gamut many TVs support. A lot of newer HDTVs support a wider color gamut, under various trade names such as x.v.Color. This increases the available RGB and luminance values to 1-256. THis is the feature that the PS3 supports through it's Full RGB ans Super White settings.

This gives an availble range of 16.8 million colors. with the limited profile, you only get 14 million. That's 20% more colors. It also gives a similar increase in shades of brightness.

If one attempts to display the full profile on a TV that only supports the limited profile, the TV will ignore values in the 1-15 range, giving washed out colors and a darker image. That's why the PS3 doesn't support the profile by default. It will however automatically enable features if connected to a compatabile TV via HDMI and that TV correctly communicates available features.

This full profile is only avaiable through HDMI 1.3. The XBOX only supports 1.2, and can't do this. It's graphics and video settings are basically just calibrations and enchancement filters.

All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.

All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.

ReverseCycology

That's a HUGE adavatage since you can get a quality HDMI cable for $5

Especially since you get a rechargable controller, wi-fi and Blu-Ray in the PS3 box...

All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.ReverseCycology

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"] All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.Jandurin

The Elite comes with an HDMI 1.2 cable.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"] All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.mabris

The Elite comes with an HDMI 1.2 cable.

Yes but his point was that the PS3 will provide a better image regardless if the HD cable comes with the 360.

[QUOTE="mabris"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"] All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.bobaban

The Elite comes with an HDMI 1.2 cable.

Yes but his point was that the PS3 will provide a better image regardless if the HD cable comes with the 360.

Yeah I know that was his point, because him=me. I was just answering the question :)

[QUOTE="mabris"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"] All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.bobaban

The Elite comes with an HDMI 1.2 cable.

Yes but his point was that the PS3 will provide a better image regardless if the HD cable comes with the 360.

Yeah but what ps3 games support 1.3? I thought it was only used in Blu-ray movies. In fact, how many TVs support 1.3?

It doesn't make much of a difference right now.

Yeah but what ps3 games support 1.3? I thought it was only used in Blu-ray movies. In fact, how many TVs support 1.3?

It doesn't make much of a difference right now.

TheDarkDisciple

Exactly. There's still a long way to go before every household have HDTVs with 1.3 compatible connections. Till then people are doing fine with what they have, SDTV, 1.2, just your good ol televisions.

Yeah but what ps3 games support 1.3? I thought it was only used in Blu-ray movies. In fact, how many TVs support 1.3?

It doesn't make much of a difference right now.

TheDarkDisciple

All games do. It's in the rendering done by the PS3, it's not limited to devloper support. I see a huge boost in IQ with it enabled.

[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"]

Yeah but what ps3 games support 1.3? I thought it was only used in Blu-ray movies. In fact, how many TVs support 1.3?

It doesn't make much of a difference right now.

ReverseCycology

Exactly. There's still a long way to go before every household have HDTVs with 1.3 compatible connections. Till then people are doing fine with what they have, SDTV, 1.2, just your good ol televisions.

It DOES make a differnce for those of us with compatible TVs now though (including you, according to your sig...)

The GT fiasco over Full RGB has pointed out a capability of the PS3 over the 360: HDMI 1.3 compliance.

A normal video signal contains values of 16-256 for the red, green, blue and luminance values. This is the gamut many TVs support. A lot of newer HDTVs support a wider color gamut, under various trade names such as x.v.Color. This increases the available RGB and luminance values to 1-256. THis is the feature that the PS3 supports through it's Full RGB ans Super White settings.

This gives an availble range of 16.8 million colors. with the limited profile, you only get 14 million. That's 20% more colors. It also gives a similar increase in shades of brightness.
mabris

If one attempts to display the full profile on a TV that only supports the limited profile, the TV will ignore values in the 1-15 range, giving washed out colors and a darker image. That's why the PS3 doesn't support the profile by default. It will however automatically enable features if connected to a compatabile TV via HDMI and that TV correctly communicates available features.

This full profile is only avaiable through HDMI 1.3. The XBOX only supports 1.2, and can't do this. It's graphics and video settings are basically just calibrations and enchancement filters.mabris

Reference Level or Black Level: If you're using the Xbox 360 Component HD AV Cable, the Xbox 360 VGA HD AV Cable, or the Xbox 360 HDMI Cable, then screen format options include Reference Level. The default setting, Standard, delivers the normal range of white and black levels that your TV or monitor supports. Select Intermediate to increase the level of white and black in the video output. Select Expanded to maximize black level. Reference level is sometimes used to make a picture sharper, and you can experiment with what format suits your viewing pleasure.XBox Site

The GT fiasco over Full RGB has pointed out a capability of the PS3 over the 360: HDMI 1.3 compliance.

A normal video signal contains values of 16-256 for the red, green, blue and luminance values. This is the gamut many TVs support. A lot of newer HDTVs support a wider color gamut, under various trade names such as x.v.Color. This increases the available RGB and luminance values to 1-256. THis is the feature that the PS3 supports through it's Full RGB ans Super White settings.

This gives an availble range of 16.8 million colors. with the limited profile, you only get 14 million. That's 20% more colors. It also gives a similar increase in shades of brightness.

If one attempts to display the full profile on a TV that only supports the limited profile, the TV will ignore values in the 1-15 range, giving washed out colors and a darker image. That's why the PS3 doesn't support the profile by default. It will however automatically enable features if connected to a compatabile TV via HDMI and that TV correctly communicates available features.

This full profile is only avaiable through HDMI 1.3. The XBOX only supports 1.2, and can't do this. It's graphics and video settings are basically just calibrations and enchancement filters.

mabris

All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.

ReverseCycology

As far as I know, HDMI 1.3 cables also support resolutions up to something like 1600p (this includes the next step over 1080p, 1200p)? The thing about HDMI 1.3 is that not only is it not accessible to a lot of TVs right now, but even if it were, neither the PS3 nor the 360 would be able to take full advantage of it, so while being able to use it isn't quite a moot point, it's not the biggest advantage in the world, either.SeanBond

All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.

ReverseCycology

[QUOTE="mabris"]
If one attempts to display the full profile on a TV that only supports the limited profile, the TV will ignore values in the 1-15 range, giving washed out colors and a darker image. That's why the PS3 doesn't support the profile by default. It will however automatically enable features if connected to a compatabile TV via HDMI and that TV correctly communicates available features.

This full profile is only avaiable through HDMI 1.3. The XBOX only supports 1.2, and can't do this. It's graphics and video settings are basically just calibrations and enchancement filters.stray720

Reference Level or Black Level: If you're using the Xbox 360 Component HD AV Cable, the Xbox 360 VGA HD AV Cable, or the Xbox 360 HDMI Cable, then screen format options include Reference Level. The default setting, Standard, delivers the normal range of white and black levels that your TV or monitor supports. Select Intermediate to increase the level of white and black in the video output. Select Expanded to maximize black level. Reference level is sometimes used to make a picture sharper, and you can experiment with what format suits your viewing pleasure.XBox Site

You still can't use those on a TV via an HDMI cable though... It would only work when hooked up to a monitor via the VGA port.

HDMI 1.3 DIFFERENCE between 360 and ps3????

wow hu cares you wont be able to tell the difference lmao

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"] All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.mabris

The Elite comes with an HDMI 1.2 cable.

Here is some hdmi 1.3 cables. Some of them selling for around $5.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=hdmi+1.3

it's quite simple. if you want to review both equally, connect both with hdmi.

however, gt said there was a problem and they couldn't use HDMI. in this case i believe it's better to turn down the settings on the 360 to provide an equal comparison.

[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"]

Yeah but what ps3 games support 1.3? I thought it was only used in Blu-ray movies. In fact, how many TVs support 1.3?

It doesn't make much of a difference right now.

ReverseCycology

Exactly. There's still a long way to go before every household have HDTVs with 1.3 compatible connections. Till then people are doing fine with what they have, SDTV, 1.2, just your good ol televisions.

in that case, video comparisons should be done in SD, right? that represents the majority of next-gen gamers.

You still can't use those on a TV via an HDMI cable though... It would only work when hooked up to a monitor via the VGA port.

mabris

The GT fiasco over Full RGB has pointed out a capability of the PS3 over the 360: HDMI 1.3 compliance.

A normal video signal contains values of 16-256 for the red, green, blue and luminance values. This is the gamut many TVs support. A lot of newer HDTVs support a wider color gamut, under various trade names such as x.v.Color. This increases the available RGB and luminance values to 1-256. THis is the feature that the PS3 supports through it's Full RGB ans Super White settings.

This gives an availble range of 16.8 million colors. with the limited profile, you only get 14 million. That's 20% more colors. It also gives a similar increase in shades of brightness.

If one attempts to display the full profile on a TV that only supports the limited profile, the TV will ignore values in the 1-15 range, giving washed out colors and a darker image. That's why the PS3 doesn't support the profile by default. It will however automatically enable features if connected to a compatabile TV via HDMI and that TV correctly communicates available features.

This full profile is only avaiable through HDMI 1.3. The XBOX only supports 1.2, and can't do this. It's graphics and video settings are basically just calibrations and enchancement filters.

mabris

why is the option on my xboxs video settings? O.o Its called 'Refrence Level" under the video settings blade..... /thread fail. What your talking about has nothing to do with actual poly count and AA which is what most ppl notice, not many ppl noticed the rgb setting for along while until they have actually used it, then they notice it and even then, its not a WoW change. Your just trying to use this whole fiasco to say in your opinion u prefer the ps3....so yeah u failed, but i successed in telling ppl the whole rgb thing was a fiasco lol.

Remember again 360 does have what your talking about and it doesn't need the hdmi cable u can get it on vga ofr gessh sakes..wait no 360 supprots 1.3 also, thanks to a firm ware update lolz. both systems are relatively identical deal with it, u want one system to be years better but the fact is they aren't, they are very close. which is better is really just opnion do deal.

360 video settings....'Refrence level" remember is the 360s option to what u are talking about...gessh.