360 with Halo, Forza, Gears.... AAAE series King in those genre's ?

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#1 SecretPolice
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:P This just kinda hit me and is off the top of my head so I'm open to info I likely didn't consider.

Back before Halo 3 shipped, SW had some lengthy discussions on what makes a series AAA and Cassey settled it by saying a franchise needs 3 AAA's in a row to be considered a AAA series in SW so with that in mind...

With Halo having 5 AAA's in a row and Forza with 3 AAA's in a row, IF, see Big IF there but if Gears 3 scores AAA...

Will this mean 360 has the only FPS, Racing & TPS AAA franchises this gen. :shock:

IF so, that's pretty impressive don't ya think ?

Just wondering.

PS, I have got to be mistaken, I just know it, so just remind me what I forgot or got wrong.

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#2 tagyhag
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What about Fable?
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What about Fable? tagyhag
Ugh. I'd give them each an A at best. The first one is still the best one.
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#4 SecretPolice
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What about Fable? tagyhag
For it to be a AAA franchise GS would havehad scored all 3 Fable's AAA - They all were scored AA. :?

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#5 tagyhag
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]What about Fable? SecretPolice

For it to be a AAA franchise GS would havehad scored all 3 Fable's AAA - They all were scored AA. :?

Exactly, thus ruining your thread. :)

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#6 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]What about Fable? tagyhag

For it to be a AAA franchise GS would havehad scored all 3 Fable's AAA - They all were scored AA. :?

Exactly, thus ruining your thread. :)

How so ? I never said Fable was AAA franchise and explained why. That doesn't effect the thread at all :o what am I missing ?

Oh wait... the topic title ? That was a play on the Sony's, It only does everything campaign - and to bring people into the thread. :P

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#7 tagyhag
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How so ? I never said Fable was AAA franchise and explained why. That doesn't effect the thread at all :o what am I missing ?

Oh wait... the topic title ? That was a play on the Sony's, It only does everything campaign - and to bring people into the thread. :P

SecretPolice

Well you sir are misleading! :x

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#8 Chutebox
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There is no if, Gears 3 will score AAA. If Gears 2 scored AAA with that mess of online (I'm just going by what people here said, never tried it online), then 3 is in the books.

But it is a good feat.

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#9 RavenLoud
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If only I cared about scores and "AAA-franchise" :(

Kudos to Bungie and Turn 10.

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Very impressive for a console with no exclusives :P

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#11 Serioussamik
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Now after not getting used to this AA ans AAA nomenclature coneventions all I can say is-X360 does have some wonderful exclusives like Halo series and Forza Motorsports and PGR (can't call Gears of War exclusive as the original was released for the PC ages ago),it is the PS3 which is getting more desirable exclusives like Killzone,God Of War,Uncharted,Ratchet and Clank,Infamous,MGS4,Resistance and Team Ico games.Now those are what you call AAA franchises which will possibly never ported to the PC.With Microsoft you never know! BTW-I am just talking about exclusives here and think both X360 and PS3 are great systems in their own right.

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:P This just kinda hit me and is off the top of my head so I'm open to info I likely didn't consider.

Back before Halo 3 shipped, SW had some lengthy discussions on what makes a series AAA and Cassey settled it by saying a franchise needs 3 AAA's in a row to be considered a AAA series in SW so with that in mind...

With Halo having 5 AAA's in a row and Forza with 3 AAA's in a row, IF, see Big IF there but if Gears 3 scores AAA...

Will this mean 360 has the only FPS, Racing & TPS AAA franchises this gen. :shock:

IF so, that's pretty impressive don't ya think ?

Just wondering.

PS, I have got to be mistaken, I just know it, so just remind me what I forgot or got wrong.

SecretPolice

Well no disrespect meant towards Cassey but he's hardly the be all end all authority of SW. I'd think that if a franchise contained more AAA titles than anything else, it would be considered as a AAA franchise. Or what if a franchise has 1 AAAA, 1 AAA, and 1 AA? What would it be considered then? AA franchise?

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#13 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

How so ? I never said Fable was AAA franchise and explained why. That doesn't effect the thread at all :o what am I missing ?

Oh wait... the topic title ? That was a play on the Sony's, It only does everything campaign - and to bring people into the thread. :P

tagyhag

Well you sir are misleading! :x

:oops: Sorry... fixed. :P

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Now after not getting used to this AA ans AAA nomenclature coneventions all I can say is-X360 does have some wonderful exclusives like Halo series and Forza Motorsports and PGR (can't call Gears of War exclusive as the original was released for the PC ages ago),it is the PS3 which is getting more desirable exclusives like Killzone,God Of War,Uncharted,Ratchet and Clank,Infamous,MGS4,Resistance and Team Ico games.Now those are what you call AAA franchises which will possibly never ported to the PC.With Microsoft you never know! BTW-I am just talking about exclusives here and think both X360 and PS3 are great systems in their own right.

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Going by the OPs formula the following franchises are not AAA series. Killzone, God of war, Uncharted, Resistance, Infamous.....
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Now after not getting used to this AA ans AAA nomenclature coneventions all I can say is-X360 does have some wonderful exclusives like Halo series and Forza Motorsports and PGR (can't call Gears of War exclusive as the original was released for the PC ages ago),it is the PS3 which is getting more desirable exclusives like Killzone,God Of War,Uncharted,Ratchet and Clank,Infamous,MGS4,Resistance and Team Ico games.Now those are what you call AAA franchises which will possibly never ported to the PC.With Microsoft you never know! BTW-I am just talking about exclusives here and think both X360 and PS3 are great systems in their own right.

Serioussamik

Killzone, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, MGS, Resistance are not AAA franchises. Not on Gamespot anyway. God of War is, if you're only talking about the main installments. "Team Ico games" is not a franchise, and no Team Ico game has ever gotten AAA on this site..

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AAA series king? Sounds desperate. Like seriously.
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#17 OhSnapitz
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AAA series king? Sounds desperate. Like seriously.nethernova
no more so than "Console graphics king".. :|
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#18 kuraimen
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Overrated series king.
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#19 SecretPolice
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AAA series king? Sounds desperate. Like seriously.nethernova
This post smells of Desperation oozing from lack of substantive rebutal me thinks.

Just sayin. :P

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#20 waltefmoney
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Overrated series king.kuraimen

No, AAA series king.

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#21 lbjkurono23
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Desperate times call for desperate measures...
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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]Desperate times call for desperate measures...SecretPolice

Indeed you do sound a bit desperate though avoiding the subject matter seems a really weak measure to take. C'mon, you can do better me thinks.

:P

Yeah, my post is reeking of "desperate" obligatory ":P" so I'm safe from the mods...

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:P This just kinda hit me and is off the top of my head so I'm open to info I likely didn't consider.

Back before Halo 3 shipped, SW had some lengthy discussions on what makes a series AAA and Cassey settled it by saying a franchise needs 3 AAA's in a row to be considered a AAA series in SW so with that in mind...

With Halo having 5 AAA's in a row and Forza with 3 AAA's in a row, IF, see Big IF there but if Gears 3 scores AAA...

Will this mean 360 has the only FPS, Racing & TPS AAA franchises this gen. :shock:

IF so, that's pretty impressive don't ya think ?

Just wondering.

PS, I have got to be mistaken, I just know it, so just remind me what I forgot or got wrong.

SecretPolice
This is good logic, except it wouldn't work in System Wars because a) it's logic. b) two of those franchises came before this generation.
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#25 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

:P This just kinda hit me and is off the top of my head so I'm open to info I likely didn't consider.

Back before Halo 3 shipped, SW had some lengthy discussions on what makes a series AAA and Cassey settled it by saying a franchise needs 3 AAA's in a row to be considered a AAA series in SW so with that in mind...

With Halo having 5 AAA's in a row and Forza with 3 AAA's in a row, IF, see Big IF there but if Gears 3 scores AAA...

Will this mean 360 has the only FPS, Racing & TPS AAA franchises this gen. :shock:

IF so, that's pretty impressive don't ya think ?

Just wondering.

PS, I have got to be mistaken, I just know it, so just remind me what I forgot or got wrong.

Blabadon

This is good logic, except it wouldn't work in System Wars because a) it's logic. b) two of those franchises came before this generation.

Touche on the first part :) and on the second part, the odds seems pretty good that all three franchises will have 3 AAAE's this gen if both Gears 3 & Forza 4 both score 9.0 plus. :shock: C'mon now, that would be impressive especially since these genre's are some of the most mainstream and important this gen. :P

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#26 Blabadon
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[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

:P This just kinda hit me and is off the top of my head so I'm open to info I likely didn't consider.

Back before Halo 3 shipped, SW had some lengthy discussions on what makes a series AAA and Cassey settled it by saying a franchise needs 3 AAA's in a row to be considered a AAA series in SW so with that in mind...

With Halo having 5 AAA's in a row and Forza with 3 AAA's in a row, IF, see Big IF there but if Gears 3 scores AAA...

Will this mean 360 has the only FPS, Racing & TPS AAA franchises this gen. :shock:

IF so, that's pretty impressive don't ya think ?

Just wondering.

PS, I have got to be mistaken, I just know it, so just remind me what I forgot or got wrong.

SecretPolice

This is good logic, except it wouldn't work in System Wars because a) it's logic. b) two of those franchises came before this generation.

Touche on the first part :) and on the second part, the odds seems pretty good that all three franchises will have 3 AAAE's this gen if both Gears 3 & Forza 4 both score 9.0 plus. :shock: C'mon now, that would be impressive especially since these genre's are some of the most mainstream and important this gen. :P

Oh no I completely agree they are great AAA series (sans Halo for ODST IMO) but I personally don't think using this in System Wars would work towards proving a point because cows would declare that Halo and Forza came before this gen.
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#27 lbjkurono23
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Oh no I completely agree they are great AAA series (sans Halo for ODST IMO) but I personally don't think using this in System Wars would work towards proving a point because cows would declare that Halo and Forza came before this gen.

For halo and forza I believe that they should count for this gen(seeing as the majoraty of the games came out on the 360).

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#28 BigBoss255
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Those games are pretty much the only AAAEs that 360 gets.
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#29 carlisledavid79
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Halo hasnt scored 3 AAAE in a row though as it. Halo Wars anyone? (yes it counts)
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#30 BPoole96
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Halo hasnt scored 3 AAAE in a row though as it. Halo Wars anyone? (yes it counts)carlisledavid79

Wasn't the order Halo 1, 2, and 3 and then Halo Wars followed by Reach?

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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]Halo hasnt scored 3 AAAE in a row though as it. Halo Wars anyone? (yes it counts)BPoole96

Wasn't the order Halo 1, 2, and 3 and then Halo Wars followed by Reach?

Halo 1, 2, 3, Wars, ODST then Reach IIRC
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]Halo hasnt scored 3 AAAE in a row though as it. Halo Wars anyone? (yes it counts)

Lol no it doesn't because it's not from Bungie and it was a spinoff. You think people put Mario Party in the same category as SMG? Give me a break.
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[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]Halo hasnt scored 3 AAAE in a row though as it. Halo Wars anyone? (yes it counts)

Lol no it doesn't because it's not from Bungie and it was a spinoff. You think people put Mario Party in the same category as SMG? Give me a break.

So because it wasnt made my Bungie it doesnt count. What if it scored 9.0+ would it count then?
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#34 ermacness
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I hate to admit it, but this does come off as "desperate" in a way. In the same sense, cows can state "New IP King". amrite?

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#35 percech
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"][QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]Halo hasnt scored 3 AAAE in a row though as it. Halo Wars anyone? (yes it counts)

Lol no it doesn't because it's not from Bungie and it was a spinoff. You think people put Mario Party in the same category as SMG? Give me a break.

So because it wasnt made my Bungie it doesnt count. What if it scored 9.0+ would it count then?

I like you avoided my other point, which makes you in the wrong. Spinoffs are not part of the series ESPECIALLY if it's not even made by the same company. You enjoy discrediting anything that has the name MS in it for some reason.
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Gears of War does not deserve it. Biggest piece of s*** game. So bland and boring. Rainbow Six Vegas was a better action game. I never played the MP on Halo 2 or Halo 3, but based off the single player I would not put them up there with the original Halo. ODST is an overpriced expansion which should have been punished for being an overpriced expansion, and Reach is a high quality game. Forza 3 is a great game and deserving of praise, but I am done with racers. Never played the first 2 but I will assume they are of equal quality.

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#37 ermacness
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[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]Halo hasnt scored 3 AAAE in a row though as it. Halo Wars anyone? (yes it counts)carlisledavid79
Lol no it doesn't because it's not from Bungie and it was a spinoff. You think people put Mario Party in the same category as SMG? Give me a break.

So because it wasnt made my Bungie it doesnt count. What if it scored 9.0+ would it count then?

1st off, lems got it all wrong. Forza can be counted, as well as Halo, but Gears can't be counted. The little "E" on the end of those 3 AAA's totally discredits the Gears series, since the 1st iteration also appeared on the PC.

Also, it all depends on what rules they're going by, because if they're going by the "3 iterations this gen" rule, then Forza is ruled out because it only have 2 iterations so far this gen, but if they're taking it all the way back to the original xbox, then Halo is ruled out because an iteration appeared on the PC.

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#38 Snakemaster9
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So what happens if a franchise get

AA, AAA, AAAA, AA,

What is it

just asking

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[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"][QUOTE="percech"] Lol no it doesn't because it's not from Bungie and it was a spinoff. You think people put Mario Party in the same category as SMG? Give me a break.

So because it wasnt made my Bungie it doesnt count. What if it scored 9.0+ would it count then?

I like you avoided my other point, which makes you in the wrong. Spinoffs are not part of the series ESPECIALLY if it's not even made by the same company. You enjoy discrediting anything that has the name MS in it for some reason.

Where did I discredit anything that has to do with MS in any of this (or previous posts)
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#40 moose_knuckler
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

There is no if, Gears 3 will score AAA. If Gears 2 scored AAA with that mess of online (I'm just going by what people here said, never tried it online), then 3 is in the books.

But it is a good feat.

The online component was fixed soonafter it's release. Thx to all the updates, it has so many better elements now.
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"][QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]Halo hasnt scored 3 AAAE in a row though as it. Halo Wars anyone? (yes it counts)

Lol no it doesn't because it's not from Bungie and it was a spinoff. You think people put Mario Party in the same category as SMG? Give me a break.

So because it wasnt made my Bungie it doesnt count. What if it scored 9.0+ would it count then?

Why should Halo Wars count if it's not even the same genre? I know System Wars is overly technical about everything, but Halo Wars shouldn't be used to discredit the Halo series in any way. I just can't take anyone seriously if they try to do that.
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#42 carlisledavid79
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[QUOTE="Karnage108"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"][QUOTE="percech"] Lol no it doesn't because it's not from Bungie and it was a spinoff. You think people put Mario Party in the same category as SMG? Give me a break.

So because it wasnt made my Bungie it doesnt count. What if it scored 9.0+ would it count then?

Why should Halo Wars count if it's not even the same genre? I know System Wars is overly technical about everything, but Halo Wars shouldn't be used to discredit the Halo series in any way. I just can't take anyone seriously if they try to do that.

Who is trying to discredit the Halo series here?
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"][QUOTE="Karnage108"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"] So because it wasnt made my Bungie it doesnt count. What if it scored 9.0+ would it count then?

Why should Halo Wars count if it's not even the same genre? I know System Wars is overly technical about everything, but Halo Wars shouldn't be used to discredit the Halo series in any way. I just can't take anyone seriously if they try to do that.

Who is trying to discredit the Halo series here?

If you believe that Halo Wars has any bearing on the Halo series then you are. It shares a similar name with the FPS series but that's all you can say about it. It would be the same if it scored 9.0... it's still a game in an entirely different genre (by a different developer).
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#44 leadernator
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3 AAA in a row? That just proves that the next installment will most likely be AAA.

That doesn't however, automatically make a series 'king' in its specific genre. What about the MGS series? Sure, it may have not gotten 3 AAAs in a row, but it does have 1 AAAA (a perfect 10), which is something halo, gears, or Forza has never achieved.

God of War, for example, has 3 AAA games in its series... each game didn't exactly shoot up to the Uncharted 2 level of quality gaming though :|

Uncharted 2 is better than any gears game, reviews and awards will tell you that.

Forza... i'd probably give it to the 360. It took GT down a long time ago, and continues to do so.

Anyway, 360 still doesn't have a good exclusive game for 2011. That's what matters the most right now :P

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[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]

Now after not getting used to this AA ans AAA nomenclature coneventions all I can say is-X360 does have some wonderful exclusives like Halo series and Forza Motorsports and PGR (can't call Gears of War exclusive as the original was released for the PC ages ago),it is the PS3 which is getting more desirable exclusives like Killzone,God Of War,Uncharted,Ratchet and Clank,Infamous,MGS4,Resistance and Team Ico games.Now those are what you call AAA franchises which will possibly never ported to the PC.With Microsoft you never know! BTW-I am just talking about exclusives here and think both X360 and PS3 are great systems in their own right.

waltefmoney

Killzone, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, MGS, Resistance are not AAA franchises. Not on Gamespot anyway. God of War is, if you're only talking about the main installments. "Team Ico games" is not a franchise, and no Team Ico game has ever gotten AAA on this site..

MGS4 got a 10/10 on gamespot , uncharted 2 got a 9.5
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#46 Jankarcop
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halo1, halo2, and gears are not exclusive.

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#47 RoOodriGowW
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Well if you made a crown and its pre requisites I don't see why it wouldn't be the so called aaae series king.

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[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

There is no if, Gears 3 will score AAA. If Gears 2 scored AAA with that mess of online (I'm just going by what people here said, never tried it online), then 3 is in the books.

But it is a good feat.

The online component was fixed soonafter it's release. Thx to all the updates, it has so many better elements now.

No reason the reviews shouldn't have mentioned it or took it down points for it though which was my point.
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#49 moose_knuckler
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

There is no if, Gears 3 will score AAA. If Gears 2 scored AAA with that mess of online (I'm just going by what people here said, never tried it online), then 3 is in the books.

But it is a good feat.

The online component was fixed soonafter it's release. Thx to all the updates, it has so many better elements now.

No reason the reviews shouldn't have mentioned it or took it down points for it though which was my point.

Not disagreeing there. From the reviews I read though, most of them thought it improved on almost every aspect to begin with. Seems like the score would fit perfectly. Receiving early copies may have helped since there would've been less online, which in turn means Gamespot, IGN, etc. didn't run into the plethora of problems the average gamer had when it was released.
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Very impressive for a console with no exclusives :P

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Oh c'mon, I thought we were past the 2007 days.:P