3DS, I know im jumping to conclusions but...

Lets get this out of the way so you know im not trolling
I am a nintendo fan
I own a wii and DS
gameplay > graphics

But as impressed I am with the 3DSs visuals, has anyone noticed the difference in graphics between the psp and 3DS = the difference between the ps2 and wii nearabouts.
So I can imagine when the psp2 comes out it will probably be a big upgrade over the psp's visuals and if its anything like the ps2 to ps3 jump its going to make the 3DS look quite outdated visually

So is this a sign of nintendo's ways to come, are nintendo consoles always going to be behind powerwise.
of course this is only a hypothesis since we dont have a clue how powerful the psp2 is going to be but would this bother nintendo owners/fans?

isn't this there next gen handheld? I do think the psp2 does exist somewhere out there

Lets get this out of the way so you know im not trolling
I am a nintendo fan
I own a wii and DS
gameplay > graphics

But as impressed I am with the 3DSs visuals, has anyone noticed the difference in graphics between the psp and 3DS = the difference between the ps2 and wii nearabouts.
So I can imagine when the psp2 comes out it will probably be a big upgrade over the psp's visuals and if its anything like the ps2 to ps3 jump its going to make the 3DS look quite outdated visually

So is this a sign of nintendo's ways to come, are nintendo consoles always going to be behind powerwise.
of course this is only a hypothesis since we dont have a clue how powerful the psp2 is going to be but would this bother nintendo owners/fans?

donaldo1989

What do you care then?

In my opinion, trying to fit high definition, PS3 level graphics on a 3.5" screen seems like a pretty pointless endeavor to me. The screen would be too small to really appreciate it. I'm sure developers would rather develop their 360/PS3-level games on the 360 and PS3, and make their handheld games utilize some particular feature which consoles don't have (like say, glasses free 3D).

It looks a bit better than PSP, especially when you take the 3D into account then 3DS is significantly more powerful. Not many people want to pay $400 for their handhelds. I have my doubts about whether there will be a PSP2 anyway.SaltyMeatballs

its not like the PSP is a flop its still sold 50million units just its like the PS1 was easily modded to play unsigned games/code :S and can hold its own in some library sections.Still dont see why sony wouldnt they could potentially bring out the better handheld but im guessing sony is keeping their hand close to their chest bout the system till the 3ds has been out a couple months.

E3 2011 i can see a PSP 2 dunno why.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]It looks a bit better than PSP, especially when you take the 3D into account then 3DS is significantly more powerful. Not many people want to pay $400 for their handhelds. I have my doubts about whether there will be a PSP2 anyway.razgriz_101

its not like the PSP is a flop its still sold 50million units just its like the PS1 was easily modded to play unsigned games/code :S and can hold its own in some library sections.Still dont see why sony wouldnt they could potentially bring out the better handheld but im guessing sony is keeping their hand close to their chest bout the system till the 3ds has been out a couple months.

E3 2011 i can see a PSP 2 dunno why.

I don't believe the 3DS will have an issue when facing off against the PSP2. Nintendo is a huge name brand in the handheld market, where they are able to reach out to kids (Pokemon) and casual gamers (Brain Training, Puzzle games, etc.). With the 3DS, Nintendo is now trying to branch out to the hardcore gamers because they're losing the casual market to the mobile phone gaming business. I think this is a smart move seeing how hardcore gamers are already excited for this thing and I will believe this can make up for the lost casual market.

PSP2 is not a huge concern for the 3DS because it'll be released years after te 3DS launched. The big reason why the PSP2 will not come out in a while is the Tegra 2. The Tegra 2 is a very powerful mobile graphics card/processor. They have the graphical capabilities of the PS3 and 360 (it could also run Unreal Engine 3). Many rumors speculate that the PSP2 will be using the Tegra 2 chipset. This is a problem because Sony is having trouble with the battery life. Since the Tegra 2 is both a powerful graphics card and a processor, it needs a ton of power to run it. Because of this, the PSP2 might ave a worse battery life than the first PSP. Because of this, Sony needsw to fix these things before they can show it off. I expect to see the PSP2 be released in 2012 while the 3DS will have a good year head start.

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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]It looks a bit better than PSP, especially when you take the 3D into account then 3DS is significantly more powerful. Not many people want to pay $400 for their handhelds. I have my doubts about whether there will be a PSP2 anyway.SaltyMeatballs

its not like the PSP is a flop its still sold 50million units just its like the PS1 was easily modded to play unsigned games/code :S and can hold its own in some library sections.Still dont see why sony wouldnt they could potentially bring out the better handheld but im guessing sony is keeping their hand close to their chest bout the system till the 3ds has been out a couple months.

E3 2011 i can see a PSP 2 dunno why.

Take into account that because it is 3D then it has to work with both eyes. That's pretty impressive if you ask me, especially in a handheld.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]It looks a bit better than PSP, especially when you take the 3D into account then 3DS is significantly more powerful. Not many people want to pay $400 for their handhelds. I have my doubts about whether there will be a PSP2 anyway.SaltyMeatballs

its not like the PSP is a flop its still sold 50million units just its like the PS1 was easily modded to play unsigned games/code :S and can hold its own in some library sections.Still dont see why sony wouldnt they could potentially bring out the better handheld but im guessing sony is keeping their hand close to their chest bout the system till the 3ds has been out a couple months.

E3 2011 i can see a PSP 2 dunno why.

Well yeah, they won't be able to compete sale for sale, but how is making money meaningless? They've sold over 50 mill handhelds, I'm sure they're are willing to go at it again(even if they end up selling a lot less again).

Well, the 3DS' graphics will be more than good enough for its lifetime, whether the PSP2 will look better or not. It's likely that the PSP2 will have the upper-hand technology wise, but that doesn't mean the system will be better (support, games, etc.). And even though gameplay > graphics, I think graphics are something we all care about, even if it's to a lesser degree :).

As an aside, I really don't think Sony can afford to sell any new hardware at a loss after the way the last few years have gone. Even though the PS3 is finally profitable, the Networked Products & Services division is still operating in the domain of losses. That means no more risky ventures.

If they do release a new handheld (or smartphone-handheld), it has to be profitable from day 1. And the only way to do that while selling it at a consumer-friendly price point is to scale back its technical capabilities.

As an aside, I really don't think Sony can afford to sell any new hardware at a loss after the way the last few years have gone. Even though the PS3 is finally profitable, the Networked Products & Services division is still operating in the domain of losses. That means no more risky ventures.

If they do release a new handheld (or smartphone-handheld), it has to be profitable from day 1. And the only way to do that while selling it at a consumer-friendly price point is to scale back its technical capabilities.

SakusEnvoy

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Though, when you say "scale back" do you mean scale back from the PSP? The PSP is profitable now isn't it? Why would they have to scale back the existing hardware / features a year or two from now? Maybe the next PSP will be technologically impressive for the time, while still selling at a profit from launch. We'll see.

It will come down to price. Although I don't play handhelds, the success or failure will come down to price. The PSP has been successful but it was just to expensive to ever be a serious threat to the DS.

If the 3DS ends up being > $200, it may have some problems. I wouldn't buy a handheld game console for my kids if it costs $250, thats just a waste of money as the thing will probably end up broken at some point and I will have to buy a replacement.

Also game wise the DS had some amazing titles, I hope that the 3DS can follow suit. The PSP outright failed in the number of quality titles. It had enough to warrant a purchase, but not enough to really make it shine over the DS.

It will come down to price. Although I don't play handhelds, the success or failure will come down to price. The PSP has been successful but it was just to expensive to ever be a serious threat to the DS.

If the 3DS ends up being > $200, it may have some problems. I wouldn't buy a handheld game console for my kids if it costs $250, thats just a waste of money as the thing will probably end up broken at some point and I will have to buy a replacement.

Also game wise the DS had some amazing titles, I hope that the 3DS can follow suit. The PSP outright failed in the number of quality titles. It had enough to warrant a purchase, but not enough to really make it shine over the DS.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

As an aside, I really don't think Sony can afford to sell any new hardware at a loss after the way the last few years have gone. Even though the PS3 is finally profitable, the Networked Products & Services division is still operating in the domain of losses. That means no more risky ventures.

If they do release a new handheld (or smartphone-handheld), it has to be profitable from day 1. And the only way to do that while selling it at a consumer-friendly price point is to scale back its technical capabilities.

Episode_Eve

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Though, when you say "scale back" do you mean scale back from the PSP? The PSP is profitable now isn't it? Why would they have to scale back the existing hardware / features a year or two from now? Maybe the next PSP will be technologically impressive for the time, while still selling at a profit from launch. We'll see.

And yeah, the PSP must be sold at a profit (including the PSP Go). I know Sony frequently cites decreased PSP hardware sales as a reason for decreased profits. I think the Go is a good example of what Sony has been brought to -- trying to repackage the same hardware and sell it at a new system's price point. They're no longer the loss leaders they could be back in 2004-2006 when they released their technological monsters.

What every one is saying makes sense.

Higher graphics cant be appreciated on a small screen and it would lower the battery life anyway.

Nintendo has overcome this by thinking outside the box and introducing the touch screen/ stylus last generation and integrating that with 3d this generation.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

As an aside, I really don't think Sony can afford to sell any new hardware at a loss after the way the last few years have gone. Even though the PS3 is finally profitable, the Networked Products & Services division is still operating in the domain of losses. That means no more risky ventures.

If they do release a new handheld (or smartphone-handheld), it has to be profitable from day 1. And the only way to do that while selling it at a consumer-friendly price point is to scale back its technical capabilities.

SakusEnvoy

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Though, when you say "scale back" do you mean scale back from the PSP? The PSP is profitable now isn't it? Why would they have to scale back the existing hardware / features a year or two from now? Maybe the next PSP will be technologically impressive for the time, while still selling at a profit from launch. We'll see.

And yeah, the PSP must be sold at a profit (including the PSP Go). I know Sony frequently cites decreased PSP hardware sales as a reason for decreased profits. I think the Go is a good example of what Sony has been brought to -- trying to repackage the same hardware and sell it at a new system's price point. They're no longer the loss leaders they could be back in 2004-2006 when they released their technological monsters.

That's what I figured you were saying :) (forgot to say so earlier!). The hardware for the theoretical successor to the PSP will likely have to be scaled back from their original intentions. Even though it may, I'm sure it'll be a technologically satisfying device.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

It will come down to price. Although I don't play handhelds, the success or failure will come down to price. The PSP has been successful but it was just to expensive to ever be a serious threat to the DS.

If the 3DS ends up being > $200, it may have some problems. I wouldn't buy a handheld game console for my kids if it costs $250, thats just a waste of money as the thing will probably end up broken at some point and I will have to buy a replacement.

Also game wise the DS had some amazing titles, I hope that the 3DS can follow suit. The PSP outright failed in the number of quality titles. It had enough to warrant a purchase, but not enough to really make it shine over the DS.

KungfuKitten

I think that the iproducts success has more to deal more with Apple's marketing campaign. Not just on tv and the web, but through contracts with universities and companies. I think the 3DS would do fine if it was a little overpriced tbh

You have to be careful making graphics too good on a handheld. Because the better the graphics the lower the battery life. Though I do think the 3DS does look good, at least better than the Wii. HarlockJC

I'm going to jump to conclusions by saying that the 3DS will be awesome.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

As an aside, I really don't think Sony can afford to sell any new hardware at a loss after the way the last few years have gone. Even though the PS3 is finally profitable, the Networked Products & Services division is still operating in the domain of losses. That means no more risky ventures.

If they do release a new handheld (or smartphone-handheld), it has to be profitable from day 1. And the only way to do that while selling it at a consumer-friendly price point is to scale back its technical capabilities.

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Though, when you say "scale back" do you mean scale back from the PSP? The PSP is profitable now isn't it? Why would they have to scale back the existing hardware / features a year or two from now? Maybe the next PSP will be technologically impressive for the time, while still selling at a profit from launch. We'll see.

And yeah, the PSP must be sold at a profit (including the PSP Go). I know Sony frequently cites decreased PSP hardware sales as a reason for decreased profits. I think the Go is a good example of what Sony has been brought to -- trying to repackage the same hardware and sell it at a new system's price point. They're no longer the loss leaders they could be back in 2004-2006 when they released their technological monsters.

I'm not convinced there will be a PSP2. If they do make it, you can be willing to bet it'll be 500$ though.

Your joking right? Sony have never prided themselves on being the fastest or most advance (PSX, PS2 Say HI) but prided themselves on backdoor tactics with getting 2 products into one house hold at 1 time.Dibdibdobdobo

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Your joking right? Sony have never prided themselves on being the fastest or most advance (PSX, PS2 Say HI) but prided themselves on backdoor tactics with getting 2 products into one house hold at 1 time.charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Your joking right? Sony have never prided themselves on being the fastest or most advance (PSX, PS2 Say HI) but prided themselves on backdoor tactics with getting 2 products into one house hold at 1 time.Dibdibdobdobo

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Your joking right? Sony have never prided themselves on being the fastest or most advance (PSX, PS2 Say HI) but prided themselves on backdoor tactics with getting 2 products into one house hold at 1 time.Dibdibdobdobo

2 things, price and battery life.

It looks a bit better than PSP, especially when you take the 3D into account then 3DS is significantly more powerful. Not many people want to pay $400 for their handhelds. I have my doubts about whether there will be a PSP2 anyway.SaltyMeatballs

Sony thought they could compete with the Gameboy Advance, and so they ripped off it's design.

Now, Sony KNOWS that they can't compete with the 3DS. There isn't going to be a PSP2 anytime soon. Sorry Cows.

Sony thought they could compete with the Gameboy Advance, and so they ripped off it's design.

Now, Sony KNOWS that they can't compete with the 3DS. There isn't going to be a PSP2 anytime soon. Sorry Cows.

there wont be a psp2. sony already relaunched the psp. You also have to consider the price of the psp2 to be if its going to "beat" the 3DS in power and graphics. Yeah. im not paying for a handheld the price of a next gen console

[QUOTE="donaldo1989"]

Lets get this out of the way so you know im not trolling
I am a nintendo fan
I own a wii and DS
gameplay > graphics

But as impressed I am with the 3DSs visuals, has anyone noticed the difference in graphics between the psp and 3DS = the difference between the ps2 and wii nearabouts.
So I can imagine when the psp2 comes out it will probably be a big upgrade over the psp's visuals and if its anything like the ps2 to ps3 jump its going to make the 3DS look quite outdated visually

So is this a sign of nintendo's ways to come, are nintendo consoles always going to be behind powerwise.
of course this is only a hypothesis since we dont have a clue how powerful the psp2 is going to be but would this bother nintendo owners/fans?

Solid_Tango

What do you care then?

Exactly. Don't get me wrong, I'm planning on getting that sweet-ass handheld, but remember when a lot of Nintendo fanboys always said "gameplay > graphics" all the freaking time and acted as if games cannot have both high-quality graphics AND gameplay? I know it's true, obviously, but that was just a bit annoying and now it's them comparing the change from 3DS to PSP as if comparing the Wii to the PSP.

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] You're right, but your statement holds true only for the nineties. In the past decade or so, especially since 2004, Sony have concentrated more and more on sheer hardware power.SakusEnvoy

doesn't the 3D effect count as graphics quality though? I'm no tech expert but I have heard that the 3D effect takes a lot of power to produce. When we talk about how impressive a game's visual achievement is we talk about framerate, resolution, map sizes and art design but I think 3D effect should count to that as wellGunSmith1_basic