4+ Co-op Really Bad Idea For Halo???(nevermind, minor self-ownage)

When it was confirmed for 4-player co-op in Halo 3 online, I couldn't shake this feeling that it would make the game insanely easy, even with a scaled up difficulty.

Halo is designed so that you can't bring 10 weapons to a fight ala Goldeneye. The SP experience will be marred because you can bring a Sniper, a Heavy Arms guy, a Assault Rifle scout type and a Sword guy to the same fight. That's awesome in MP but anyone who has played the Halo campaigns 1/10 of what I have knows this destroys the fundamental brilliant simplicity that is the Halo SP formula.

On an added note, I hope there are special acheivement designations for those who beat say Legendary without the help of three fellow Spartans.

So am I just paranoid or do I raise a few eyebrows?

EDIT: Also don't post "if you don't like it then don't play it." Oh course I'll play it, never said I wouldn't. I just feel that being able to take 8 weapons or 3 sniper rifles into a battle will deny the players of the challenge of having to choose what weapons to bring into battle.

Discuss.

who said it was a bad idea?

So what if it's easy? as long as I have fun it's all cool

Also anyone who remembers the infamous "Final Run" at the end of The Two Betrayls(Level 8 in HaloCE) knows how critical weapon choice is in Halo. Imagine if right before the end battle you could've picked up the Sniper, the Magnum, the Shotgun and the Rocket Launcher. Sounds cool but it destoys the challenge of that battle.Spartan070

You are paranoid. If you do not like the idea of 4-player co-op do not participate in it. It is really that simple. Maybe they will increase the amount of enemies or increase the difficulty even more for each player that joins.smokeydabear076

Also anyone who remembers the infamous "Final Run" at the end of The Two Betrayls(Level 8 in HaloCE) knows how critical weapon choice is in Halo. Imagine if right before the end battle you could've picked up the Sniper, the Magnum, the Shotgun and the Rocket Launcher. Sounds cool but it destoys the challenge of that battle.Spartan070

I ran to the banshees while the battle was going on :P, I'd tried so hard and I couldnt kill em all :'(

I remember beating the original halo on legendary was much, much harder on your own rather than in co-op in which it was more "heroic" standard. Who knows theymay knock up the enemy count for 4 player co-op or maybe they'll take away some of your marine chums.samusarmada

On the original halo Co-Op was simply "one of us stay away where its safe, while the other kamakizes into battle taking on as many as they can". Thanks to the inifite respawn, which was fixed in Halo 2 legendary.

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Also anyone who remembers the infamous "Final Run" at the end of The Two Betrayls(Level 8 in HaloCE) knows how critical weapon choice is in Halo. Imagine if right before the end battle you could've picked up the Sniper, the Magnum, the Shotgun and the Rocket Launcher. Sounds cool but it destoys the challenge of that battle.smokeydabear076

Then just don't play it with three other people... it's really that simple.Mu5uk0

Also anyone who remembers the infamous "Final Run" at the end of The Two Betrayls(Level 8 in HaloCE) knows how critical weapon choice is in Halo. Imagine if right before the end battle you could've picked up the Sniper, the Magnum, the Shotgun and the Rocket Launcher. Sounds cool but it destoys the challenge of that battle.Spartan070

I'm pretty sure Halo CE had co-op. Let's see if my maths skills are up to par.

Sniper + Magnum + Shotgun + Rocket Launcher = Four weapons.

Each player can hold two weapons.

Four divided by two = 2.

Looks like you can pick up those four weapons before the end of the battle.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]Also anyone who remembers the infamous "Final Run" at the end of The Two Betrayls(Level 8 in HaloCE) knows how critical weapon choice is in Halo. Imagine if right before the end battle you could've picked up the Sniper, the Magnum, the Shotgun and the Rocket Launcher. Sounds cool but it destoys the challenge of that battle.Spartan070

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]Also anyone who remembers the infamous "Final Run" at the end of The Two Betrayls(Level 8 in HaloCE) knows how critical weapon choice is in Halo. Imagine if right before the end battle you could've picked up the Sniper, the Magnum, the Shotgun and the Rocket Launcher. Sounds cool but it destoys the challenge of that battle.smokeydabear076

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The Final Run was awesome becauseyou could'nt bring all available weapons into the battle, or have 3 snipers. 4 player co-op prevents the one or two players from having to choose which weapons to take and which to leave, if the same thing happens in Halo 3, which I'm sure it will. Understand my point?

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]I remember beating the original halo on legendary was much, much harder on your own rather than in co-op in which it was more "heroic" standard. Who knows theymay knock up the enemy count for 4 player co-op or maybe they'll take away some of your marine chums.G013M

On the original halo Co-Op was simply "one of us stay away where its safe, while the other kamakizes into battle taking on as many as they can". Thanks to the inifite respawn, which was fixed in Halo 2 legendary.

I forgot about halo 2 :P

Maybe it will be okay then. If like "hermitkermit" said; if one of the 4 dies then everyone reverts back to checkpoint, this will hopefully make the co-op being even better. With more emphasis on squad like combat.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]Also anyone who remembers the infamous "Final Run" at the end of The Two Betrayls(Level 8 in HaloCE) knows how critical weapon choice is in Halo. Imagine if right before the end battle you could've picked up the Sniper, the Magnum, the Shotgun and the Rocket Launcher. Sounds cool but it destoys the challenge of that battle.Spartan070

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The Final Run was awesome becauseyou could'nt bring all available weapons into the battle, or have 3 snipers. 4 player co-op prevents the one or two players from having to choose which weapons to take and which to leave, if the same thing happens in Halo 3, which I'm sure it will. Understand my point?

Are we to assume that at some point in Halo 3 they just present you with all the weapons and you take your pick? For a Halo fan you sure don't give Bungie any credit.

And you're only responding to the comments which don't crap all over your argument.

dude u have to stop making a big deal about it.if u dont wanna play the co-op then dont.if u think 3 more people is goint to screw ur experience then dont do co-opOldParr

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]Also anyone who remembers the infamous "Final Run" at the end of The Two Betrayls(Level 8 in HaloCE) knows how critical weapon choice is in Halo. Imagine if right before the end battle you could've picked up the Sniper, the Magnum, the Shotgun and the Rocket Launcher. Sounds cool but it destoys the challenge of that battle.Spartan070

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The Final Run was awesome becauseyou could'nt bring all available weapons into the battle, or have 3 snipers. 4 player co-op prevents the one or two players from having to choose which weapons to take and which to leave, if the same thing happens in Halo 3, which I'm sure it will. Understand my point?

Bungie isn't dumb! They've obviously thought about this. Like I said before, as a Halo fan you do not give Bungie a lot of credit.

/thread.

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]I remember beating the original halo on legendary was much, much harder on your own rather than in co-op in which it was more "heroic" standard. Who knows theymay knock up the enemy count for 4 player co-op or maybe they'll take away some of your marine chums.G013M

On the original halo Co-Op was simply "one of us stay away where its safe, while the other kamakizes into battle taking on as many as they can". Thanks to the inifite respawn, which was fixed in Halo 2 legendary.

Halo and Halo 2 both had crappy co-op respawn systems. In Halo 3 you should only respawn at checkpoints or after a battle. Or it's too easy (Or just stupid in Halo 2s case).

And you're only responding to the comments which don't crap all over your argument.

Mu5uk0

B) What post? This one where you say how 2 people can pick up 4 weapons in Halo 2? Well yeah, having beaten Halo 2 94 times, I don't think I need a lecture on the Halo 2 combat system. There would be an exponential diffenerce with 4 players, particulally with 3 snipers or 3 RLs.

...yes, I keep track...yes I've posted this many times before...

C) I give Bungie more credit than anyone I know, nevertheless, lack of having to choose which weapons to take and which to leave, I don't care if it's 1 or 16 player co-op, will severly affect the Halo combat experience. This cannot be denied, only discussed.

i sure bungie wouldnnt have put it there if it was goin to make things too easy. the enemy numbers and strength will be balanced accordingly. chances are if the rumour of special co-op only levels is true then the 4 player co-op might just be for that and leave the campaign at 2. either way im sure it will work well. mirlegend

On a side note, thanks for contributing to the thread discussion rather than attacking me with wreckless abandon like most others here.

It probably Will be easier to beat the game with 4 people rather than just 1. But I also do think that Bungie will make it harder with 4 player co-op than it would be with just 1 person.

Also, in Halo and Halo 2, you start each level with certain guns. In most, if not all levels, not all the guns are even available.

No, I don't think it will be "too easy" to beat the game with 4 players.... But I DO think it will be AMAZING FUN!:D

I guess we can all agree that Bungine sucks at creating a balanced co-op experience.smokeydabear076

It's not that, it's just that a big part of the Halo experience, at least for me and most hardcore Halo SP players, ishaving to choose our armaments for each upcoming battle. You mustchoose wisely, especially on Legendary. "Get the biggest gun you can find and fill the air full of lead" simply does't work for Halo. I just fear for the integrity of the game.:)

Okay you can die of paranoia over this but I'll just trust Bungie.Mu5uk0

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I guess we can all agree that Bungine sucks at creating a balanced co-op experience.Spartan070

It's not that, it's just that a big part of the Halo experience, at least for me and most hardcore Halo SP players, ishaving to choose our armaments for each upcoming battle. You mustchoose wisely, especially on Legendary. "Get the biggest gun you can find and fill the air full of lead" simply does't work for Halo. I just fear for the integrity of the game.:)

If you find that you prefer playing the game by yourself or just with one other person ..... then do that.

4 Player Co-op is simply an Option..... A Friggin Great One!:D

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I guess we can all agree that Bungine sucks at creating a balanced co-op experience.Spartan070

It's not that, it's just that a big part of the Halo experience, at least for me and most hardcore Halo SP players, ishaving to choose our armaments for each upcoming battle. You mustchoose wisely, especially on Legendary. "Get the biggest gun you can find and fill the air full of lead" simply does't work for Halo. I just fear for the integrity of the game.:)

When it was confirmed for 4-player co-op in Halo 3 online, I couldn't shake this feeling that it would make the game insanely easy, even with a scaled up difficulty.

Halo is designed so that you can't bring 10 weapons to a fight ala Goldeneye. The SP experience will be marred because you can bring a Sniper, a Heavy Arms guy, a Assault Rifle scout type and a Sword guy to the same fight. That's awesome in MP but anyone who has played the Halo campaigns 1/10 of what I have knows this destroys the fundamental brilliant simplicity that is the Halo SP formula.

On an added note, I hope there are special acheivement designations for those who beat say Legendary without the help of three fellow Spartans.

So am I just paranoid or do I raise a few eyebrows?

Discuss.

Spartan070

As long as Bungie doesnt implement the policy GeOW had where is one player drops the co-op game is over, I'll be a happy camper!

Game On...

I remember beating the original halo on legendary was much, much harder on your own rather than in co-op in which it was more "heroic" standard. Who knows theymay knock up the enemy count for 4 player co-op or maybe they'll take away some of your marine chums.samusarmada

I swear I still remember me and my broyher staring in disbelief at how insanely hard "Legendary" on Halo 2 was. It brought me to my knees..... I was whipped... :shock:

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

When it was confirmed for 4-player co-op in Halo 3 online, I couldn't shake this feeling that it would make the game insanely easy, even with a scaled up difficulty.

Halo is designed so that you can't bring 10 weapons to a fight ala Goldeneye. The SP experience will be marred because you can bring a Sniper, a Heavy Arms guy, a Assault Rifle scout type and a Sword guy to the same fight. That's awesome in MP but anyone who has played the Halo campaigns 1/10 of what I have knows this destroys the fundamental brilliant simplicity that is the Halo SP formula.

On an added note, I hope there are special acheivement designations for those who beat say Legendary without the help of three fellow Spartans.

So am I just paranoid or do I raise a few eyebrows?

Discuss.

FatalDomain

As long as Bungie doesnt implement the policy GeOW had where is one player drops the co-op game is over, I'll be a happy camper!

Game On...

Stop looking at it as singleplayer and start looking at it as four player co-op.smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Stop looking at it as singleplayer and start looking at it as four player co-op.Spartan070

TC, you're missing the point of 4-player co-op. It's there for fun to play with your friends. It's not there to be the biggest challenge you've ever faced. That's what SP on Legendary is for.rhaigun

Stop looking at it as singleplayer and start looking at it as four player co-op.smokeydabear076

So in some small way, I guess I'm self-owned for being paranoid.:P

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]TC, you're missing the point of 4-player co-op. It's there for fun to play with your friends. It's not there to be the biggest challenge you've ever faced. That's what SP on Legendary is for.Spartan070

Stop looking at it as singleplayer and start looking at it as four player co-op.smokeydabear076

So in some small way, I guess I'm self-owned for being paranoid.:P

think of it this way, you spit ammo 4 ways, it will be very limited, especially if you focus on snipersshadow_hosi

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]TC, you're missing the point of 4-player co-op. It's there for fun to play with your friends. It's not there to be the biggest challenge you've ever faced. That's what SP on Legendary is for.smokeydabear076

Stop looking at it as singleplayer and start looking at it as four player co-op.smokeydabear076

So in some small way, I guess I'm self-owned for being paranoid.:P

I got it. Add another difficulty level. After "Legendary" then there is "Damn!" It takes 3 Spartans to bring down 1 grunt. Now thats replayability.... :lol:

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

I guess so, but I still think that Bungie should try to make it more difficult with more players.Magical_Zebra

I got it. Add another difficulty level. After "Legendary" then there is "Damn!" It takes 3 Spartans to bring down 1 grunt. Now thats replayability.... :lol:

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]TC, you're missing the point of 4-player co-op. It's there for fun to play with your friends. It's not there to be the biggest challenge you've ever faced. That's what SP on Legendary is for.smokeydabear076

Stop looking at it as singleplayer and start looking at it as four player co-op.smokeydabear076

So in some small way, I guess I'm self-owned for being paranoid.:P