40gig PS3 40% Failure Rate...

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]I'm exadgerating for emphasis.Jandurin

Which part did I invent? The part where 360 fanboys deny the high 360 failure rate, or the part where now people are claiming a %40 PS3 failure rate for the exact same reasons they claimed were notproof ofthe 360 problems?

For somebody accusing ME of "inventing", maybe you would like to point out where I said "it's accepted".

But a single source from some store in belgium says they had %40 returned for failure and suddenly the PS3 has massive world wide failures!ZIMdoom

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]I never said "most people accept" anything. Jandurin

I can't be held responsible for overly emotional, knee jerk interpretations of what I say. I believe what you are doing is called a straw man fallacy.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]I never said "most people accept" anything. ZIMdoom

I can't be held responsible for overly emotional, knee jerk interpretations of what I say. I believe what you are doing is called a straw man fallacy.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Here is what I find absolutely hilarious.

Lemmings deny the %30 failure rate because they claim nobody can prove it and because the only quote is from some gamespots.

But a single source from some store in belgium says they had %40 returned for failure and suddenly the PS3 has massive world wide failures!

ZIMdoom

I'm exadgerating for emphasis.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]I never said "most people accept" anything. Jandurin

I can't be held responsible for overly emotional, knee jerk interpretations of what I say. I believe what you are doing is called a straw man fallacy.

I believe having to fall back TWICE on nothing more than "but teh implication!" is damage control. I stand by my initial comment. No damage control here.

I believe having to fall back TWICE on nothing more than "but teh implication!" is damage control. I stand by my initial comment. No damage control here.ZIMdoom

In the future, I will only read yours posts as completely literal and blunt. Apologies.

That is the most reliable source I have ever seen. "No official numbers have been released" but because we talked to a few belgian retailers we are certian there is a 40% failure rate...Wasdie

I know, right?! We don't actually know anything, but this guy at McDonalds told us that his PS3 broke once... OMG 100% failure rate.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]I believe having to fall back TWICE on nothing more than "but teh implication!" is damage control. I stand by my initial comment. No damage control here.Jandurin

In the future, I will only read yours posts as completely literal and blunt. Apologies.

He IS intelligent. Unfortuantely, he is also paranoid and thinks 360 owners intend to take over the world.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]That is the most reliable source I have ever seen. "No official numbers have been released" but because we talked to a few belgian retailers we are certian there is a 40% failure rate...Jandurin

I know, right?! We don't actually know anything, but this guy at McDonalds told us that his PS3 broke once... OMG 100% failure rate.

I honestly wonder if this thread is just retaliation for all the times those two anonymous retailers who said the 360 defect rate was 33%were used as 'proof'.

No one had said anything like what you said. Not a single poster either said that the 40% was accurate or that the the failures were widespread. As Jan said thats not exaggeration thats making stuff up. You can try and change topic and what you said, but you're seeing attacks on the PS3 that simply aren't there. Dude you need to take a break from Sw, its making you paranoid! lol :Pblue_hazy_basic

I know you are smarter than this. Come on.

1) I never claimed the %40 was accurate nor did I accuse anyone else of saying it was accurate. If I did say such a thing then please point out where I actually said it.Making stuff up is accusing me of saying something I didn't.

2) I know you know what the word exadgeration means. My "world wide" comment was clearly that. I make no excuses for it and would type it again.

3) My initial post simply points out the hypocrisy of this forum. I stand by that. You yourself pointed out that people should calm down about this report and wait for more info to come in. Why would you make such a comment if you didn't feel people were taking this issue seriously? Yetyou would turn around and say (indirectly) that I am making things up when I point out the hypocrisy of people who appear to be taking this seriously? Why the conflict? Is it because you simply didn't understand my point? Because you disagree with my point? Or is it simply that your feelings of superiority were hurt and so you nowcling feeblyto your own hypocritical accusation to regain that feeling?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

Pfft

and

http://www.gamer.tm/news.asp?id=1700

Magical_Zebra

Obviously still better than M$ 100% defective hardware rate. And this only affects the models in that region correct? :shock:

100%? My launch console still works...so I think you jumped the gun.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]That is the most reliable source I have ever seen. "No official numbers have been released" but because we talked to a few belgian retailers we are certian there is a 40% failure rate...Jandurin

I know, right?! We don't actually know anything, but this guy at McDonalds told us that his PS3 broke once... OMG 100% failure rate.

:lol:

That pretty much sums of the article. Also GamerTM is far from a reliable source, you might as well just get some information off some guys blog and post it as fact.

I am SO glad that I got the 60GB. I put the Hitachi 7K200 in it and painted it white.

My White 200GB PS3 owns all your consoles!

It probably has to do with the updated mainboard and the new 65nm CELL. They made a more energy efficient CELL to reduce the heat. On the 40GB, there is no vents in the front.Rikusaki

in the article it says the problems were in the BD/DVD drive not the CPU

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]I believe having to fall back TWICE on nothing more than "but teh implication!" is damage control. I stand by my initial comment. No damage control here.Jandurin

In the future, I will only read yours posts as completely literal and blunt. Apologies.

I thank you for trying to flatter me. However, all I was saying in my initial post is that fanboys are so willing to deny one issue for a certain set of reasons, yet when this is posted it is expected to be treated as serious and worthy of discussion. Look at the posts here. People have already tried to divine what is causing the problem. Others have pointed out that posting this thread is "backlash". And you know as well as I do that the thread title alone is fanboy bait...and I guess, yes, that would mostly apply to Sony-haters who typically are also lemmings.

I never made any comments one way or another towards whether or not I believe it is an accurate story, or whether others are taking it accurately. Franklt, I don't think anyone CARES about the accuracy at this point. The intent is more about basking in speculation and rumour while simultaneously tossing more coal on the anti-Sony fire (so to speak). This is more about sensationalism at this point than actual accuracy.

As such, I will predict at similar threads posting this same article will be popping up all day long. I will also predict that the more threads createdon this, the more likely people will believe it as being accurate despite the fact that each thread only references the same, single article.

If this does turn out to be accurate, and SOny messed up yet again, then you won't see me comment at all in any bashing threads. I don't care that people bash ANY company or product, I just point out faulty logic, misinformation, and hypcorisy where I see it. I also believe that people are stupid if they take corporations personally (whether postively or negatively) and that we should keep our arguements on consoles and not our personification of the companies that make them.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]That is the most reliable source I have ever seen. "No official numbers have been released" but because we talked to a few belgian retailers we are certian there is a 40% failure rate...Verge_6

I know, right?! We don't actually know anything, but this guy at McDonalds told us that his PS3 broke once... OMG 100% failure rate.

I honestly wonder if this thread is just retaliation for all the times those two anonymous retailers who said the 360 defect rate was 33%were used as 'proof'.

At this point it is some news more than retaliation. But knowing SW...the retaliation is coming.

However, all I was saying in my initial post is that fanboys are so willing to deny one issue for a certain set of reasons, yet when this is posted it is expected to be treated as serious and worthy of discussion. Look at the posts here. People have already tried to divine what is causing the problem. Others have pointed out that posting this thread is "backlash". And you know as well as I do that the thread title alone is fanboy bait...and I guess, yes, that would mostly apply to Sony-haters who typically are also lemmings.ZIMdoom

I neither flatter nor try to flatter people. I just say what I say. People interpret what they want from it.

SW is rife with people trying to theorize causes for anything and everything. It's fun, though.

But, yeah, true or not, I mean, sometimes mistakes are made. I really highly doubt that 40GB PS3s are generally faulty even if this story is true. Probably just a problem at a single factory.

lets inject some common sense into this discussion.

first off, all we know is that a website of less than credible origin claims astore (no idea as to what store or retail chain) some where in belgium (location unkown) is having 40 gig ps3's returned, somewhere in the neighborhood of 40%.

lets run this down

non verifiable website
unknown store
unknown region of belgium
no actual confirmation that any of this has actually happenned
the only one that says it has happened is a personal site with a .tm address

so what we really know is that once again the internet + fanboys = must ruin gaming!!

the reality is that in general, with all we actually know for fact, the PS3 enjoys a very low failure rate. not becasue they are known for a history of such (the PS2 had its large share of defects) but because they have learned from past mistakes.

facts are facts.

so please people. as gamers we can either add to the community and rise above all this nonsense and ignore clear and blatant attempts at systemwar faboyisms....or we can roll around in the mud and pretty much act like the children the rest of society thinks we are.

your choice

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

Pfft

and

http://www.gamer.tm/news.asp?id=1700

blackace

Obviously still better than M$ 100% defective hardware rate. And this only affects the models in that region correct? :shock:

What does this story have to do with the XBox 360? Absolute nothing. Stop trying to deflect the problem to another console. No one knows what the fail rate is on the XBox 360, but M$. There are no official numbers released. There are still many people who still have their original XBox 360 that has never failed. So no, it's not 100%. Even with a fail rate, the XBox 360 is still outselling the PS3 month after month. So obviously people care more about the games then a fail rate on the console.

Actually, I'm pretty sure MS announced their original console design was flawed, therefor until a revision(if so) has been release, than 100% of 360's have a design flaw and have a far greater chance of breaking down one day. Too bad the 3 year warranty only covers the 3 red lights and not it's other numerous problems.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

Pfft

and

http://www.gamer.tm/news.asp?id=1700

Big_Gamer_Al

Obviously still better than M$ 100% defective hardware rate. And this only affects the models in that region correct? :shock:

My 360 is magical and didn't break down so it must be 99.9%

I still have my launch unit with 0 problems.

lets inject some common sense into this discussion.

first off, all we know is that a website of less than credible origin claims astore (no idea as to what store or retail chain) some where in belgium (location unkown) is having 40 gig ps3's returned, somewhere in the neighborhood of 40%.

lets run this down

non verifiable website
unknown store
unknown region of belgium
no actual confirmation that any of this has actually happenned
the only one that says it has happened is a personal site with a .tm address

so what we really know is that once again the internet + fanboys = must ruin gaming!!

the reality is that in general, with all we actually know for fact, the PS3 enjoys a very low failure rate. not becasue they are known for a history of such (the PS2 had its large share of defects) but because they have learned from past mistakes.

facts are facts.

so please people. as gamers we can either add to the community and rise above all this nonsense and ignore clear and blatant attempts at systemwar faboyisms....or we can roll around in the mud and pretty much act like the children the rest of society thinks we are.

your choice

Escobahr

lets inject some common sense into this discussion.

first off, all we know is that a website of less than credible origin claims astore (no idea as to what store or retail chain) some where in belgium (location unkown) is having 40 gig ps3's returned, somewhere in the neighborhood of 40%.

lets run this down

non verifiable website
unknown store
unknown region of belgium
no actual confirmation that any of this has actually happenned
the only one that says it has happened is a personal site with a .tm address

so what we really know is that once again the internet + fanboys = must ruin gaming!!

the reality is that in general, with all we actually know for fact, the PS3 enjoys a very low failure rate. not becasue they are known for a history of such (the PS2 had its large share of defects) but because they have learned from past mistakes.

facts are facts.

so please people. as gamers we can either add to the community and rise above all this nonsense and ignore clear and blatant attempts at systemwar faboyisms....or we can roll around in the mud and pretty much act like the children the rest of society thinks we are.

your choice

Escobahr

Umm it listed the store, Game Mania. Just becuase YOU don't know of it, doesn't make it fake. I suppose you know of every company in every country?

Not saying this is true, but sometimes news is broken by the little guys before the big guys catch on.

Also, company's that have problems, don't like to confirm things until the facts are thrown in their faces and they are forced to play ball.

What conclusion should be drawn is that is too early to draw any real concrete conclusions. So in the words of the cows...just wait.

[QUOTE="Escobahr"]

lets inject some common sense into this discussion.

first off, all we know is that a website of less than credible origin claims astore (no idea as to what store or retail chain) some where in belgium (location unkown) is having 40 gig ps3's returned, somewhere in the neighborhood of 40%.

lets run this down

non verifiable website
unknown store
unknown region of belgium
no actual confirmation that any of this has actually happenned
the only one that says it has happened is a personal site with a .tm address

so what we really know is that once again the internet + fanboys = must ruin gaming!!

the reality is that in general, with all we actually know for fact, the PS3 enjoys a very low failure rate. not becasue they are known for a history of such (the PS2 had its large share of defects) but because they have learned from past mistakes.

facts are facts.

so please people. as gamers we can either add to the community and rise above all this nonsense and ignore clear and blatant attempts at systemwar faboyisms....or we can roll around in the mud and pretty much act like the children the rest of society thinks we are.

your choice

DXGreat1_HGL

well to be fair there seems to be a bit more information to the "rrrod" story than one managers testimonial.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

Pfft

and

http://www.gamer.tm/news.asp?id=1700

Magical_Zebra

Obviously still better than M$ 100% defective hardware rate. And this only affects the models in that region correct? :shock:

Wow, Sony is really downgrading their PS3 while MS are always upgrading.

[QUOTE="Escobahr"]

lets inject some common sense into this discussion.

first off, all we know is that a website of less than credible origin claims astore (no idea as to what store or retail chain) some where in belgium (location unkown) is having 40 gig ps3's returned, somewhere in the neighborhood of 40%.

lets run this down

non verifiable website
unknown store
unknown region of belgium
no actual confirmation that any of this has actually happenned
the only one that says it has happened is a personal site with a .tm address

so what we really know is that once again the internet + fanboys = must ruin gaming!!

the reality is that in general, with all we actually know for fact, the PS3 enjoys a very low failure rate. not becasue they are known for a history of such (the PS2 had its large share of defects) but because they have learned from past mistakes.

facts are facts.

so please people. as gamers we can either add to the community and rise above all this nonsense and ignore clear and blatant attempts at systemwar faboyisms....or we can roll around in the mud and pretty much act like the children the rest of society thinks we are.

your choice

kryloc

Umm it listed the store, Game Mania. Just becuase YOU don't know of it, doesn't make it fake. I suppose you know of every company in every country?

no. i dont obviously know that.....but what would it take from someone to completely fabricate such a story? for isntance...

"a representative from monsanto corp. in st louis mo claims that over 55% of their weedkiller has aids in it"

now clearly i could spend another half hour posting this on a blog or a lame 5 dollar a month website. does that add any validity to it? should we have to discuss it simply because there may be a miniscule chance it could be true? does everything that gets posted on the internets need to be discussed as if it may be true?

Not saying this is true, but sometimes news is broken by the little guys before the big guys catch on.

Also, company's that have problems, don't like to confirm things until the facts are thrown in their faces and they are forced to play ball.

What conclusion should be drawn is that is too early to draw any real concrete conclusions. So in the words of the cows...just wait.

so do you mean wait as in wait and see? or do you mean wait as in post threads spreading this information throughout the internets?

"No actual numbers have been released" but they'll take a stab at it. Nice.

Tell me when this is real news. Thank you.

The_Crucible

kinda like with the 360's right? where only a handfull of best buy's and 3 gs/eb games employees were interviewed? hmm?

1. its in Belgium.

2. Its unconfirmed.

Here is what I find absolutely hilarious.

Lemmings deny the %30 failure rate because they claim nobody can prove it and because the only quote is from some gamespots.

But a single source from some store in belgium says they had %40 returned for failure and suddenly the PS3 has massive world wide failures!

ZIMdoom

just using your tactics...

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

Pfft

and

http://www.gamer.tm/news.asp?id=1700

donalbane

Obviously still better than M$ 100% defective hardware rate. And this only affects the models in that region correct? :shock:

Obviously you and several other posters have an extremely hard time telling the difference between something that has a design flaw and failure rate... My launch 360 will be 2 years old next month, your point is what? :shock:

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

Pfft

and

http://www.gamer.tm/news.asp?id=1700

Magical_Zebra

Obviously still better than M$ 100% defective hardware rate. And this only affects the models in that region correct? :shock:

If it is 100% then tell me how come I am still playing my 360! :o

" Shocking-if-true failure rate reported by Belgians"

:lol:

Where did this 'site' pull hte 40% from? Damn that is appaling.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

Pfft

and

http://www.gamer.tm/news.asp?id=1700

PS3_3DO

Obviously still better than M$ 100% defective hardware rate. And this only affects the models in that region correct? :shock:

If it is 100% then tell me how come I am still playing my 360! :o

Mine is still in perfect nick though.

Ill believe it when I see GS, IGN, 1up, or some other reputable site confirm it.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

Pfft

and

http://www.gamer.tm/news.asp?id=1700

PS3_3DO

Obviously still better than M$ 100% defective hardware rate. And this only affects the models in that region correct? :shock:

If it is 100% then tell me how come I am still playing my 360! :o

"Microsoft has admitted that every one of the 11.6 million Xbox 360 consoles sold in the past 19 months suffers from a design flaw that could cause the device to fail. "

You were saying? :shock: