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#151 adamosmaki

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]
[QUOTE="dreman999"] 2 very different things. DVD has obvious advantages over vhs. 4K doesn't when compared to 1080p. It like dvd vs blu ray all over again were a 3 party, streaming video, won over. dreman999

Are you serious?

Do you even realize that for a product to even benefit from a resolution upgrade it needs media to be made in that resolution? Play a ps2 game on a 1080p tv to see what I mean. With out support it's just a gimmick.

There are already games that support extremely high resolutions on pc and support will get there when prices get lower and more people will have 4k sets

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]
[QUOTE="dreman999"] Do you even realize that for a product to even benefit from a resolution upgrade it needs media to be made in that resolution? Play a ps2 game on a 1080p tv to see what I mean. With out support it's just a gimmick.dreman999

I'm awre of that, but once you have something that supports it, the difference becomes clear, heck there's even a difference between going from 1080p to 1440p so I can imagine what 4kres would be like.

So on point your hyping a video quality no fully seen yet... Which is why for now it's a gimmick. If the common supported resolution is 1080p and going up resolutions make it look worse, why would anyone by it now. Only some pc games would benefit from a resolution like this. For now it's too niche to say it's the future. Tech never is a straight line. Years ago people were say blu ray was the furture, now mostly everyone used streaming. Don't count your eggs before they hatch.

How is it a gimmick if it's 4 times the res of 1080p? By this logic, 1080p was a gimmick because we hadn't seen it yet for years and look at where we are at now, 1080p seems to be the standard. Heck back then 1080p was niche and costed a lot even for a smaller TV but look at it now. 4kres is going to be a repeat of 1080p and years from now it'll be affordable and more commonly used, it's just how it is.

And despite streaming being done a lot, it does not change the fact that many people still buy a lot of Blu Ray movies after all.

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]
[QUOTE="dreman999"] 2 very different things. DVD has obvious advantages over vhs. 4K doesn't when compared to 1080p. It like dvd vs blu ray all over again were a 3 party, streaming video, won over. dreman999

Are you serious?

Do you even realize that for a product to even benefit from a resolution upgrade it needs media to be made in that resolution? Play a ps2 game on a 1080p tv to see what I mean. With out support it's just a gimmick.

I've played pc games from before PS 2 even launched that benefit from 1080p. The original Half Life from 1998 looks better at 1080p than 720p.

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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] have you actually seen a 4k tv or monitor? There is quite a difference in picture especially when you get away from 24" monitors. Also this nothing like blu ray vs Dvd. This is just resolution and technology progressing . What you expect to stick at 1080p forever ? Smartphones already are moving ahead in terms of technological advancements over Tv and monitor technology. Here you can understand the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 5" screen and you think you wont notice the difference between 4K and 1080p ?

And I don't see how the average person would care over this. As others stated you need a large screen to see the difference. We in gaming would even see the benefit of it till games are build at that resolution. It would be like playing an 8bit game on an 1080p tv. Not even movies or tv shows are made in that resolution yet. Sorry, but untill we get companies backing it it's just a gimmick like 3d.

Do you even know what gimmick is? Ps eye is a gimmick. There is a difference between gimmick and technological advancement. The average person might not care for those 4k sets now but as manufacturers like sony,panasonic,samsung start releasing more and more and cheaper models in a few years 4K will be what 1080p is now or are you one of those people when at early 2000's they were dismissing 1080p because 1024x768 was good enough for the average pc ?

You're not understanding my point. The current common resolution on the market is 1080p. Now the common thing to happen to tv and monators with resolutions given a visual quality in a lower resolution is that the picture looks worse. EXAMPLE: a ps2 game on an 1080p tv. The video quality for the media first need to be enhanced first for any benefit to be seen on a high resolution tv. The details of the video does not just self enhance. How would the average person benefit from a 4k tv if the averages video quality they see is just 1080p? It would be like getting an hd tv to watch regular resolution tv. The picture quality would suffer. Right now only pc games would benefit from these tv's. The average consumer would get no benefit from this resolution till companies(aka tv show makes, movies makers, and game makes,) make media in a resolution a consumer will benefit from. No one will benefit from buying 4k tv if all they can watch for now a 1080p media. That is why it's a gimmick.

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No one will benefit from buying 4k tv if all they can watch for now a 1080p media. That is why it's a gimmick.dreman999

So it's a gimmick right now, but in a few years it'll stop being a gimmick? Gotcha.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dreman999"] And I don't see how the average person would care over this. As others stated you need a large screen to see the difference. We in gaming would even see the benefit of it till games are build at that resolution. It would be like playing an 8bit game on an 1080p tv. Not even movies or tv shows are made in that resolution yet. Sorry, but untill we get companies backing it it's just a gimmick like 3d.

Do you even know what gimmick is? Ps eye is a gimmick. There is a difference between gimmick and technological advancement. The average person might not care for those 4k sets now but as manufacturers like sony,panasonic,samsung start releasing more and more and cheaper models in a few years 4K will be what 1080p is now or are you one of those people when at early 2000's they were dismissing 1080p because 1024x768 was good enough for the average pc ?

You're not understanding my point. The current common resolution on the market is 1080p. Now the common thing to happen to tv and monators with resolutions given a visual quality in a lower resolution is that the picture looks worse. EXAMPLE: a ps2 game on an 1080p tv. The video quality for the media first need to be enhanced first for any benefit to be seen on a high resolution tv. The details of the video does not just self enhance. How would the average person benefit from a 4k tv if the averages video quality they see is just 1080p? It would be like getting an hd tv to watch regular resolution tv. The picture quality would suffer. Right now only pc games would benefit from these tv's. The average consumer would get no benefit from this resolution till companies(aka tv show makes, movies makers, and game makes,) make media in a resolution a consumer will benefit from. No one will benefit from buying 4k tv if all they can watch for now a 1080p media. That is why it's a gimmick.

So you say 1080p is too high for a ps2 game. Would you say 720p is ok for a ps2 game?

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="mitu123"]Are you serious?Cranler

Do you even realize that for a product to even benefit from a resolution upgrade it needs media to be made in that resolution? Play a ps2 game on a 1080p tv to see what I mean. With out support it's just a gimmick.

I've played pc games from before PS 2 even launched that benefit from 1080p. The original Half Life from 1998 looks better at 1080p than 720p.

And that's a pc game. The visual quality of a pc game can be enhance in may ways by the player. That not the case for the average consumer...Which is why I said only pc games will get the benefit for have a 4k tv. This is not the case with the average media. That is my point.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"] Do you even realize that for a product to even benefit from a resolution upgrade it needs media to be made in that resolution? Play a ps2 game on a 1080p tv to see what I mean. With out support it's just a gimmick.

I've played pc games from before PS 2 even launched that benefit from 1080p. The original Half Life from 1998 looks better at 1080p than 720p.

And that's a pc game. The visual quality of a pc game can be enhance in may ways by the player. That not the case for the average consumer...Which is why I said only pc games will get the benefit for have a 4k tv. This is not the case with the average media. That is my point.

I did nothing to enhance the picture quality besides increasing the res and remember that this thread is about pc gaming anyways. I would like to know what games you've played that looked worse at a higher res.

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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] Do you even know what gimmick is? Ps eye is a gimmick. There is a difference between gimmick and technological advancement. The average person might not care for those 4k sets now but as manufacturers like sony,panasonic,samsung start releasing more and more and cheaper models in a few years 4K will be what 1080p is now or are you one of those people when at early 2000's they were dismissing 1080p because 1024x768 was good enough for the average pc ?

You're not understanding my point. The current common resolution on the market is 1080p. Now the common thing to happen to tv and monators with resolutions given a visual quality in a lower resolution is that the picture looks worse. EXAMPLE: a ps2 game on an 1080p tv. The video quality for the media first need to be enhanced first for any benefit to be seen on a high resolution tv. The details of the video does not just self enhance. How would the average person benefit from a 4k tv if the averages video quality they see is just 1080p? It would be like getting an hd tv to watch regular resolution tv. The picture quality would suffer. Right now only pc games would benefit from these tv's. The average consumer would get no benefit from this resolution till companies(aka tv show makes, movies makers, and game makes,) make media in a resolution a consumer will benefit from. No one will benefit from buying 4k tv if all they can watch for now a 1080p media. That is why it's a gimmick.

So you say 1080p is too high for a ps2 game. Would you say 720p is ok for a ps2 game?

Even ps2 game is at 480p. It look like crap in hd. HD does two thing. It show the beauty of things we can't see in low resolutions and the flaws of things we can't see in low resolution.

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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"] I've played pc games from before PS 2 even launched that benefit from 1080p. The original Half Life from 1998 looks better at 1080p than 720p.

And that's a pc game. The visual quality of a pc game can be enhance in may ways by the player. That not the case for the average consumer...Which is why I said only pc games will get the benefit for have a 4k tv. This is not the case with the average media. That is my point.

I did nothing to enhance the picture quality besides increasing the res and remember that this thread is about pc gaming anyways. I would like to know what games you've played that looked worse at a higher res.

Every ps2 game for one.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"]No one will benefit from buying 4k tv if all they can watch for now a 1080p media. That is why it's a gimmick.mitu123

So it's a gimmick right now, but in a few years it'll stop being a gimmick? Gotcha.

I can't really say. It may be the case with blu ray.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"] You're not understanding my point. The current common resolution on the market is 1080p. Now the common thing to happen to tv and monators with resolutions given a visual quality in a lower resolution is that the picture looks worse. EXAMPLE: a ps2 game on an 1080p tv. The video quality for the media first need to be enhanced first for any benefit to be seen on a high resolution tv. The details of the video does not just self enhance. How would the average person benefit from a 4k tv if the averages video quality they see is just 1080p? It would be like getting an hd tv to watch regular resolution tv. The picture quality would suffer. Right now only pc games would benefit from these tv's. The average consumer would get no benefit from this resolution till companies(aka tv show makes, movies makers, and game makes,) make media in a resolution a consumer will benefit from. No one will benefit from buying 4k tv if all they can watch for now a 1080p media. That is why it's a gimmick.

So you say 1080p is too high for a ps2 game. Would you say 720p is ok for a ps2 game?

Even ps2 game is at 480p. It look like crap in hd. HD does two thing. It show the beauty of things we can't see in low resolutions and the flaws of things we can't see in low resolution.

God of War and RE 4 hd versions look better than the originals imo.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"] And that's a pc game. The visual quality of a pc game can be enhance in may ways by the player. That not the case for the average consumer...Which is why I said only pc games will get the benefit for have a 4k tv. This is not the case with the average media. That is my point.

I did nothing to enhance the picture quality besides increasing the res and remember that this thread is about pc gaming anyways. I would like to know what games you've played that looked worse at a higher res.

Every ps2 game for one.

How could you have played every PS 2 game in hd? Only a few were rereleased in hd versions?

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#164 deactivated-58e448fd89d82

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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"] So you say 1080p is too high for a ps2 game. Would you say 720p is ok for a ps2 game?

Even ps2 game is at 480p. It look like crap in hd. HD does two thing. It show the beauty of things we can't see in low resolutions and the flaws of things we can't see in low resolution.

God of War and RE 4 hd versions look better than the originals imo.

You mean this? http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/542922988013132197/25ED82DAD1E1CACCCEBAEED32198138035B13D73/ PC version at 1080p with controller button mod. Console versions on XBOX and PS3 are 720p with added bloom effects.

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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"] I've played pc games from before PS 2 even launched that benefit from 1080p. The original Half Life from 1998 looks better at 1080p than 720p.

And that's a pc game. The visual quality of a pc game can be enhance in may ways by the player. That not the case for the average consumer...Which is why I said only pc games will get the benefit for have a 4k tv. This is not the case with the average media. That is my point.

I did nothing to enhance the picture quality besides increasing the res and remember that this thread is about pc gaming anyways. I would like to know what games you've played that looked worse at a higher res.

So 4k tv are just aimed at pc players and the producers are just making these tv just for pc players?

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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"] So you say 1080p is too high for a ps2 game. Would you say 720p is ok for a ps2 game?

Even ps2 game is at 480p. It look like crap in hd. HD does two thing. It show the beauty of things we can't see in low resolutions and the flaws of things we can't see in low resolution.

God of War and RE 4 hd versions look better than the originals imo.

They were enhanced to. They are hd versions of ps2 games. You not seeing that misses my point.

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#167 adamosmaki

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"] You're not understanding my point. The current common resolution on the market is 1080p. Now the common thing to happen to tv and monators with resolutions given a visual quality in a lower resolution is that the picture looks worse. EXAMPLE: a ps2 game on an 1080p tv. The video quality for the media first need to be enhanced first for any benefit to be seen on a high resolution tv. The details of the video does not just self enhance. How would the average person benefit from a 4k tv if the averages video quality they see is just 1080p? It would be like getting an hd tv to watch regular resolution tv. The picture quality would suffer. Right now only pc games would benefit from these tv's. The average consumer would get no benefit from this resolution till companies(aka tv show makes, movies makers, and game makes,) make media in a resolution a consumer will benefit from. No one will benefit from buying 4k tv if all they can watch for now a 1080p media. That is why it's a gimmick.

So you say 1080p is too high for a ps2 game. Would you say 720p is ok for a ps2 game?

Even ps2 game is at 480p. It look like crap in hd. HD does two thing. It show the beauty of things we can't see in low resolutions and the flaws of things we can't see in low resolution.

Go play god of war at PS2 and then play it on an emulator at 1080p and tell me there is no difference in quality. Actually is quite astonishing how much better when playing it at 1080p looks. Also while the average consumer might not care for 4k at the moment there is the enthusiast market either that is pc gaming or videophiles that will adopt 4k early and since there will be people with 4k sets there will be 4k content ( actually already there is on pc gaming ) to help the market make the transition after some time from 1080p to 4k

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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"] I did nothing to enhance the picture quality besides increasing the res and remember that this thread is about pc gaming anyways. I would like to know what games you've played that looked worse at a higher res.

Every ps2 game for one.

How could you have played every PS 2 game in hd? Only a few were rereleased in hd versions?

They were made in hd versions when they were sold on the ps3. I'm not counting the enhance versions you can only play on a ps3.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"] Even ps2 game is at 480p. It look like crap in hd. HD does two thing. It show the beauty of things we can't see in low resolutions and the flaws of things we can't see in low resolution.

God of War and RE 4 hd versions look better than the originals imo.

They were enhanced to. They are hd versions of ps2 games. You not seeing that misses my point.

Link an article stating that those games had any visual upgrades besides the game res. Specifically with texture res since thats what the high res haters are harping on.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"] Every ps2 game for one.

How could you have played every PS 2 game in hd? Only a few were rereleased in hd versions?

They were made in hd versions when they were sold on the ps3. I'm not counting the enhance versions you can only play on a ps3.

So you havent explained how you played ps2 games in 720p

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#171 adamosmaki

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"] And that's a pc game. The visual quality of a pc game can be enhance in may ways by the player. That not the case for the average consumer...Which is why I said only pc games will get the benefit for have a 4k tv. This is not the case with the average media. That is my point.

I did nothing to enhance the picture quality besides increasing the res and remember that this thread is about pc gaming anyways. I would like to know what games you've played that looked worse at a higher res.

So 4k tv are just aimed at pc players and the producers are just making these tv just for pc players?

No but apparently pc gaming is one area where 4k will find some early adopters and already a couple of companies are getting to release 4k pc monitors ( asus for instance is gonna release a 31,5" monitor )

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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"] So you say 1080p is too high for a ps2 game. Would you say 720p is ok for a ps2 game?

Even ps2 game is at 480p. It look like crap in hd. HD does two thing. It show the beauty of things we can't see in low resolutions and the flaws of things we can't see in low resolution.

Go play god of war at PS2 and then play it on an emulator at 1080p and tell me there is no difference in quality. Actually is quite astonishing how much better when playing it at 1080p looks. Also while the average consumer might not care for 4k at the moment there is the enthusiast market either that is pc gaming or videophiles that will adopt 4k early and since there will be people with 4k sets there will be 4k content ( actually already there is on pc gaming ) to help the market make the transition after some time from 1080p to 4k

And that is an enhance version. Which is my point. In order for media to benefit from resolution of the tv it has to be made or enhanced for the tvs resolution. If the averages media is not made or enhance for the tv quality then there is no benefit to having the hd tv.

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#173 adamosmaki

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dreman999"] Even ps2 game is at 480p. It look like crap in hd. HD does two thing. It show the beauty of things we can't see in low resolutions and the flaws of things we can't see in low resolution.

Go play god of war at PS2 and then play it on an emulator at 1080p and tell me there is no difference in quality. Actually is quite astonishing how much better when playing it at 1080p looks. Also while the average consumer might not care for 4k at the moment there is the enthusiast market either that is pc gaming or videophiles that will adopt 4k early and since there will be people with 4k sets there will be 4k content ( actually already there is on pc gaming ) to help the market make the transition after some time from 1080p to 4k

And that is an enhance version. Which is my point. In order for media to benefit from resolution of the tv it has to be made or enhanced for the tvs resolution. If the averages media is not made or enhance for the tv quality then there is no benefit to having the hd tv.

No is not an enhanced version. Is actually the same version the same dvd-disk i used to play on my Ps2

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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"] I did nothing to enhance the picture quality besides increasing the res and remember that this thread is about pc gaming anyways. I would like to know what games you've played that looked worse at a higher res.

So 4k tv are just aimed at pc players and the producers are just making these tv just for pc players?

No but apparently pc gaming is one area where 4k will find some early adopters and already a couple of companies are getting to release 4k pc monitors ( asus for instance is gonna release a 31,5" monitor )

And early adapters never carry the market. It's the companies that support the tech that makes media for it that does. It early adapters carried the market bata max and hd dvd would still be here.

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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] Go play god of war at PS2 and then play it on an emulator at 1080p and tell me there is no difference in quality. Actually is quite astonishing how much better when playing it at 1080p looks. Also while the average consumer might not care for 4k at the moment there is the enthusiast market either that is pc gaming or videophiles that will adopt 4k early and since there will be people with 4k sets there will be 4k content ( actually already there is on pc gaming ) to help the market make the transition after some time from 1080p to 4k

And that is an enhance version. Which is my point. In order for media to benefit from resolution of the tv it has to be made or enhanced for the tvs resolution. If the averages media is not made or enhance for the tv quality then there is no benefit to having the hd tv.

No is not an enhanced version. Is actually the same version the same dvd-disk i used to play on my Ps2

No it's not. All ps2 games brought to the ps3 are enhanced first.

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#176 deactivated-58e448fd89d82

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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dreman999"]And that is an enhance version. Which is my point. In order for media to benefit from resolution of the tv it has to be made or enhanced for the tvs resolution. If the averages media is not made or enhance for the tv quality then there is no benefit to having the hd tv.dreman999

No is not an enhanced version. Is actually the same version the same dvd-disk i used to play on my Ps2

No it's not. All ps2 games brought to the ps3 are enhanced first.

It is hardly revolutionary, as i stated, they add a bloom effect, they also upgrade the menu text resolution.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] No is not an enhanced version. Is actually the same version the same dvd-disk i used to play on my Ps2AMD655

No it's not. All ps2 games brought to the ps3 are enhanced first.

It is hardly revolutionary, as i stated, they add a bloom effect, they also upgrade the menu text resolution.

The same thing can be said for perfect dark hd...It's still enhanced for hd tv's. There is a limit to how much they can up the quality.

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#178 Phazevariance

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I play my PC games at 2K resolution on my 2K monitor and its a noticible difference. 4K is especialyl noticible on larger tvs around the 70" mark and higher, which are startign to be quite common. Gimmick? Nope, its just the next step if TVs are to grow larger. You'll also notice that 1080p is on handhelds these days for their 'retina' displays and such, so consider 4k the retina resolution for TVs.

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#179 NoodleFighter

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[QUOTE="dreman999"]No one will benefit from buying 4k tv if all they can watch for now a 1080p media. That is why it's a gimmick.dreman999

So it's a gimmick right now, but in a few years it'll stop being a gimmick? Gotcha.

I can't really say. It may be the case with blu ray.

netflix is aiming at streaming 4k content by next year

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dreman999"]And that is an enhance version. Which is my point. In order for media to benefit from resolution of the tv it has to be made or enhanced for the tvs resolution. If the averages media is not made or enhance for the tv quality then there is no benefit to having the hd tv.

No is not an enhanced version. Is actually the same version the same dvd-disk i used to play on my Ps2

No it's not. All ps2 games brought to the ps3 are enhanced first.

IGN: Did you all do anything with using higher-resolution textures? Is there any way that the art has changed, or the number of frames of animation or anything like that? John Hight: That's a good question. So, we're still kind of evaluating, but we were prepared to upgrade the textures, at least on Kratos on both games, but honestly it's looking so good that we're thinking, you know what? It's probably better to keep it in its pure form. http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/09/02/god-of-war-collection-qa

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="mitu123"]So it's a gimmick right now, but in a few years it'll stop being a gimmick? Gotcha.
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I can't really say. It may be the case with blu ray.

netflix is aiming at streaming 4k content by next year

Ok then. One it does it next year then we can say it's not a gimmick.

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[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="mitu123"] No is not an enhanced version. Is actually the same version the same dvd-disk i used to play on my Ps2

No it's not. All ps2 games brought to the ps3 are enhanced first.

IGN: Did you all do anything with using higher-resolution textures? Is there any way that the art has changed, or the number of frames of animation or anything like that? John Hight: That's a good question. So, we're still kind of evaluating, but we were prepared to upgrade the textures, at least on Kratos on both games, but honestly it's looking so good that we're thinking, you know what? It's probably better to keep it in its pure form. http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/09/02/god-of-war-collection-qa

....."but once you get into an HDTV running at 720p, some of the text gets a little weedy, so we are going to swap that out." Nice edit on what was said. It still is enhanced

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4K is a complete gimmick.
There will be people trying to prove me otherwise, but to be honest 1080p is fine just as is.
I don't think Pictures can get any clearer.
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Well you're wrong.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dreman999"]And that is an enhance version. Which is my point. In order for media to benefit from resolution of the tv it has to be made or enhanced for the tvs resolution. If the averages media is not made or enhance for the tv quality then there is no benefit to having the hd tv.

No is not an enhanced version. Is actually the same version the same dvd-disk i used to play on my Ps2

No it's not. All ps2 games brought to the ps3 are enhanced first.

Read what i said This is not a ps3 game. This my God of war 2 disc i bought for playstation 2 and i used an emulator on pc to play it on pc so not its not the Ps3 version.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] No it's not. All ps2 games brought to the ps3 are enhanced first.

IGN: Did you all do anything with using higher-resolution textures? Is there any way that the art has changed, or the number of frames of animation or anything like that? John Hight: That's a good question. So, we're still kind of evaluating, but we were prepared to upgrade the textures, at least on Kratos on both games, but honestly it's looking so good that we're thinking, you know what? It's probably better to keep it in its pure form. http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/09/02/god-of-war-collection-qa

....."but once you get into an HDTV running at 720p, some of the text gets a little weedy, so we are going to swap that out." Nice edit on what was said. It still is enhanced

Text, not graphics. The game would look better at 720p with weedy text than the ps2 version

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] No is not an enhanced version. Is actually the same version the same dvd-disk i used to play on my Ps2adamosmaki

No it's not. All ps2 games brought to the ps3 are enhanced first.

Read what i said This is not a ps3 game. This my God of war 2 disc i bought for playstation 2 and i used an emulator on pc to play it on pc so not its not the Ps3 version.

I would not call this looking fine..

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="NoodleFighter"] IGN: Did you all do anything with using higher-resolution textures? Is there any way that the art has changed, or the number of frames of animation or anything like that? John Hight: That's a good question. So, we're still kind of evaluating, but we were prepared to upgrade the textures, at least on Kratos on both games, but honestly it's looking so good that we're thinking, you know what? It's probably better to keep it in its pure form. http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/09/02/god-of-war-collection-qaCranler

....."but once you get into an HDTV running at 720p, some of the text gets a little weedy, so we are going to swap that out." Nice edit on what was said. It still is enhanced

Text, not graphics. The game would look better at 720p with weedy text than the ps2 version

It does not look to be just text... god-of-war-collection-20091106022254046.

god-of-war-collection-20091106022254046.

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#188 adamosmaki

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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dreman999"] No it's not. All ps2 games brought to the ps3 are enhanced first.dreman999

Read what i said This is not a ps3 game. This my God of war 2 disc i bought for playstation 2 and i used an emulator on pc to play it on pc so not its not the Ps3 version.

I would not call this looking fine..

that still looks better than ps2

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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"] ....."but once you get into an HDTV running at 720p, some of the text gets a little weedy, so we are going to swap that out." Nice edit on what was said. It still is enhanced
dreman999

Text, not graphics. The game would look better at 720p with weedy text than the ps2 version

It does not look to be just text... god-of-war-collection-20091106022254046.

god-of-war-collection-20091106022254046.

Thats what going from 480p to 720p does to the graphics. The dev said himself that they did nothing to the graphics. The interview stated the game showed a huge improvement by simply increasing the resolution.

From the ign review: As I mentioned, the core games remain identical to their original releases. The textures, models, animations and everything else are exactly the same that you'll see on their PlayStation 2 counterparts. http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/11/13/god-of-war-collection-review

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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]
4K is a complete gimmick.
There will be people trying to prove me otherwise, but to be honest 1080p is fine just as is.
I don't think Pictures can get any clearer.
clyde46

Someone hasn't seen a 4K TV it seems.

Exactly.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"]
[QUOTE="Cranler"] Text, not graphics. The game would look better at 720p with weedy text than the ps2 versionCranler

It does not look to be just text... god-of-war-collection-20091106022254046.

god-of-war-collection-20091106022254046.

Thats what going from 480p to 720p does to the graphics. The dev said himself that they did nothing to the graphics. The interview stated the game showed a huge improvement by simply increasing the resolution.

From the ign review: As I mentioned, the core games remain identical to their original releases. The textures, models, animations and everything else are exactly the same that you'll see on their PlayStation 2 counterparts. http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/11/13/god-of-war-collection-review

I picture says 1000 words. Sorry but the ps3 version is clearly enhanced.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"]
[QUOTE="adamosmaki"] Read what i said This is not a ps3 game. This my God of war 2 disc i bought for playstation 2 and i used an emulator on pc to play it on pc so not its not the Ps3 version. adamosmaki

I would not call this looking fine..

that still looks better than ps2

Anything on the pc looks better then the ps2.

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[QUOTE="Cranler"]
[QUOTE="dreman999"]It does not look to be just text...
dreman999

Thats what going from 480p to 720p does to the graphics. The dev said himself that they did nothing to the graphics. The interview stated the game showed a huge improvement by simply increasing the resolution.

From the ign review: As I mentioned, the core games remain identical to their original releases. The textures, models, animations and everything else are exactly the same that you'll see on their PlayStation 2 counterparts. http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/11/13/god-of-war-collection-review

I picture says 1000 words. Sorry but the ps3 version is clearly enhanced.

So you know better than the developer and the reviewer on what changes were made to the game?

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"] Thats what going from 480p to 720p does to the graphics. The dev said himself that they did nothing to the graphics. The interview stated the game showed a huge improvement by simply increasing the resolution.
From the ign review: As I mentioned, the core games remain identical to their original releases. The textures, models, animations and everything else are exactly the same that you'll see on their PlayStation 2 counterparts. http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/11/13/god-of-war-collection-review
Cranler

I picture says 1000 words. Sorry but the ps3 version is clearly enhanced.

So you know better than the developer and the reviewer on what changes were made to the game?

Then explain the picture.

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#195 adamosmaki

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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]
[QUOTE="dreman999"]
I would not call this looking fine..
dreman999

that still looks better than ps2

Anything on teh pc looks better then the ps2.

you were the one saying increasing resolution on non supported games makes them look worst . I'm pointing out a ps2 game running at 1080p on an emulator looking better than on Ps2

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"] I picture says 1000 words. Sorry but the ps3 version is clearly enhanced.

So you know better than the developer and the reviewer on what changes were made to the game?

Then explain the picture.

The number of pixels were tripled. Where are you seeing more detail? Look at the dragon scales, its the same exact textures. The res increase just made it all look crsiper.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"] So you know better than the developer and the reviewer on what changes were made to the game?Cranler

Then explain the picture.

The number of pixels were tripled. Where are you seeing more detail? Look at the dragon scales, its the same exact textures. The res increase just made it all look crsiper.

Yes.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"]
that still looks better than ps2
adamosmaki

Anything on teh pc looks better then the ps2.

you were the one saying increasing resolution on non supported games makes them look worst . I'm pointing out a ps2 game running at 1080p on an emulator looking better than on Ps2

Look at the ground textures and the structure textures....They look like mud. The only thing bring this game to pc did was improve the 3d rendering. This is far from pretty. A PS2 is lock at 480p which effects how the 3d models look. A pc can make the 3d modeling better but the 2d textures always suffer.

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Cranler"] So you know better than the developer and the reviewer on what changes were made to the game?Cranler

Then explain the picture.

The number of pixels were tripled. Where are you seeing more detail? Look at the dragon scales, its the same exact textures. The res increase just made it all look crsiper.

So it was still enhanced.

Anyone who would put the game on the pc would see this.

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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="dreman999"] Then explain the picture.dreman999

The number of pixels were tripled. Where are you seeing more detail? Look at the dragon scales, its the same exact textures. The res increase just made it all look crsiper.

So it was still enhanced.

Anyone who would put the game on the pc would see this.

The pixels tripled by going from 480p to 720p.

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