5 Reasons It's Still Not Cool to Admit You're a Gamer (Link)

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#1 mo0ksi
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http://www.cracked.com/article_18571_5-reasons-its-still-not-cool-to-admit-youre-gamer_p2.html

I usually find Cracked to have some great articles, but this one seemed to have a lot more misses than hits, despite some good points being made. Then again, I never go on Cracked for the video game articles. They're too damn nostalgic.

Thoughts?

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"Oh-oh. What's the complaint that has everyone up in arms? Is there a cheap twist at the end? Is the main character two-dimensional? Is there a frustrating minigame where you have to carefully groom Alan's pubic hair? No. It turns out somebody took a screenshot of the game, zoomed in 500 percent and counted up the pixels to make sure every frame was rendering at the maximum 720p resolution the Xbox 360 is capable of." yep...
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#3 GreySeal9
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I'm a huge fan of cracked.com but this article was pretty weak. The way they completely simplified GTAIV's storyline to make it sound like a run-of-the-mill video game story was pretty dopey. Almost every review agreed that GTAIV's storyline had a ton of artistic value.

It just seems more than a little off-base IMO to lump an artsy crime drama in with Gears.

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#4 Sandvichman
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W*waits for pc gamers to say that cracked.com is insert insult here because of his opinion on piracy.*

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#5 GreySeal9
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W*waits for pc gamers to say that cracked.com is insert insult here because of his opinion on piracy.*

Sandvichman

I do have to agree with them that many gamers (in general, not just PC gamers) have some severe entitlement issues. Maybe it's just a SW thing, but when I first came to this site, I was actually shocked by how much raw entitlement drips from the posts here. It is WAY more than that of people who are interested in other mediums, but that may be a result of how much more expensive this hobby is than others. The larger costs may lead to more grumpiness when it comes to anything that has to do with money.

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#6 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

W*waits for pc gamers to say that cracked.com is insert insult here because of his opinion on piracy.*

GreySeal9

I do have to agree with them that many gamers (in general, not just PC gamers) have some severe entitlement issues. Maybe it's just a SW thing, but when I first came to this site, I was actually shocked by how much raw entitlement drips from the posts here. It is WAY more than that of people who are interested in other mediums, but that may be a result of how much more expensive this hobby is than others. The larger costs may lead to more grumpiness when it comes to pricing.

This man speaks the truth.
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#7 -Snooze-
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I don't think it's cool to be a gamer. Pretty much everyone is anyways ... We can't all be cool.

I don't know anyone who dosen't have atleast a PS3/360 and a copy of Fifa

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#8 SpruceCaboose
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I am a 25 year old in a professional career, and I have no problem telling people I am a gamer. People who live their lives at the approval of others are the ones who are "not cool".
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#10 SpruceCaboose
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I don't think it's cool to be a gamer. Pretty much everyone is anyways ... We can't all be cool.

I don't know anyone who dosen't have atleast a PS3/360 and a copy of Fifa

-Snooze-
You know now someone (online at least) who does not own a copy of Fifa...and I never will.
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#11 devious742
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W*waits for pc gamers to say that cracked.com is insert insult here because of his opinion on piracy.*

Sandvichman

not really.. I find cracked.com funny.. they are never serious:P

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#12 -Snooze-
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

I don't think it's cool to be a gamer. Pretty much everyone is anyways ... We can't all be cool.

I don't know anyone who dosen't have atleast a PS3/360 and a copy of Fifa

SpruceCaboose

You know now someone (online at least) who does not own a copy of Fifa...and I never will.

That don't count ...

Also, I feel very sorry for you. Fifa 10 is the game ofthe gen (Until Fifa 11)

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#13 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

I don't think it's cool to be a gamer. Pretty much everyone is anyways ... We can't all be cool.

I don't know anyone who dosen't have atleast a PS3/360 and a copy of Fifa

-Snooze-

You know now someone (online at least) who does not own a copy of Fifa...and I never will.

That don't count ...

Also, I feel very sorry for you. Fifa 10 is the game ofthe gen (Until Fifa 11)

I dislike, very greatly, futbol. American football or ice hockey for me, thanks. Both in the real world and in the virtual one. :)
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

I don't think it's cool to be a gamer. Pretty much everyone is anyways ... We can't all be cool.

I don't know anyone who dosen't have atleast a PS3/360 and a copy of Fifa

-Snooze-

You know now someone (online at least) who does not own a copy of Fifa...and I never will.

That don't count ...

Also, I feel very sorry for you. Fifa 10 is the game ofthe gen (Until Fifa 11)

Meh to FIFA.
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#15 Animal-Mother
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lol at number 3

Faceless Space Soldier Guns Down Many, Many Aliens.

Different Space Soldier Guns Down Many, Many Aliens Again.

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#16 Vandalvideo
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I question the social skills of the Cracked writers if they are catching flak for playing video games. All it takes is a little swagger and you can make anything look cool.
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#17 Animal-Mother
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I question the social skills of the Cracked writers if they are catching flak for playing video games. All it takes is a little swagger and you can make anything look cool. Vandalvideo
Then you become random generic ass who plays video games #570370403
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#18 -Snooze-
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] You know now someone (online at least) who does not own a copy of Fifa...and I never will.SpruceCaboose

That don't count ...

Also, I feel very sorry for you. Fifa 10 is the game ofthe gen (Until Fifa 11)

I dislike, very greatly, Football. HandEgg or ice hockey for me, thanks. Both in the real world and in the virtual one. :)

:( Give me your address,I shall send you a copy. You WILL see the light. It's simply the best sport ever.

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#19 Cherokee_Jack
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All true. Not very funny though.

From now on, let's shove the remote control of maturity up our ass instead.Cracked

except that.

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#20 mo0ksi
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

W*waits for pc gamers to say that cracked.com is insert insult here because of his opinion on piracy.*

devious742

not really.. I find cracked.com funny.. they are never serious:P

The only problem is that this particular article felt more like a serious rant.
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#21 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

W*waits for pc gamers to say that cracked.com is insert insult here because of his opinion on piracy.*

mo0ksi

not really.. I find cracked.com funny.. they are never serious:P

The only problem is that this particular article felt more like a serious rant.

Cracked.com articles, from my observations, are usually quasi-serious observations stated in a funny way.

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#22 Got_to_go
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[QUOTE="mo0ksi"][QUOTE="devious742"] not really.. I find cracked.com funny.. they are never serious:P

GreySeal9

The only problem is that this particular article felt more like a serious rant.

Cracked.com articles, from my observations, are usually quasi-serious observations stated in a funny way.

Nearly all of Wong's articles are rants or observations. Check out his article called the Monkeysphere. It's pretty good.
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#23 mo0ksi
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Cracked.com articles, from my observations, are usually quasi-serious observations stated in a funny way.

GreySeal9

I know. I just think that this article was more serious than usual.

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#24 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"] The only problem is that this particular article felt more like a serious rant.Got_to_go

Cracked.com articles, from my observations, are usually quasi-serious observations stated in a funny way.

Nearly all of Wong's articles are rants or observations. Check out his article called the Monkeysphere. It's pretty good.

I'm on Cracked.com all the time, so will do.

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#25 jun_aka_pekto
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W*waits for pc gamers to say that cracked.com is insert insult here because of his opinion on piracy.*

Sandvichman

Why? Pirates are scum, pure and simple. I hope they fail in life and whatever endeavor they pursue.

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#27 ManicAce
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Banging a hot goddess in front of two babes "appeals to specifically to males who have never actually had a relationship with a female."Huh..pretty sure it appeals to everyone. Was the writer's wife watching over his shoulder as he wrote that.."yeah honey, this kind of thing doesn't appeal to me at all, it's disgusting"

I do agree with most of the stuff though, mildly amusing if a bitself-righteous.

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#28 mo0ksi
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Why? Pirates are scum, pure and simple. I hope they fail in life and whatever endeavor they pursue.

Ginosaji

There are far worse "scum" than pirates, I assure you.

True, but the fact that a significant amount of people pirated the humble indie bundle is pretty low.
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Apparently this article has hit a little too close to home for some people here. I agree with what the author says about video gaming needing to grow up as a storytelling medium and how it will never do that when there are people that obsess over pixels. The piracy thing was spot on too.
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#30 GreySeal9
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Apparently this article has hit a little too close to home for some people here. I agree with what the author says about video gaming needing to grow up as a storytelling medium and how it will never do that when there are people that obsess over pixels. The piracy thing was spot on too. clubsammich91

Video gaming should grow up as a storytelling medium. But it doesn't really help their point when they include a game in their "examples" that attempted to do just that.

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#31 clubsammich91
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Apparently this article has hit a little too close to home for some people here. I agree with what the author says about video gaming needing to grow up as a storytelling medium and how it will never do that when there are people that obsess over pixels. The piracy thing was spot on too. GreySeal9

Video gaming should grow up as a storytelling medium. But it doesn't really help their point when they include a game in their "examples" that attempted to do just that.

Was this example Alan Wake? The article did mention that and how there were people who didn't care about the story, but the number of lines on the screen.
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#32 roxlimn
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I don't become cool by declaring myself a gamer. I make every other gamer in the world a little cooler by dint of association with me.
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#33 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Apparently this article has hit a little too close to home for some people here. I agree with what the author says about video gaming needing to grow up as a storytelling medium and how it will never do that when there are people that obsess over pixels. The piracy thing was spot on too. clubsammich91

Video gaming should grow up as a storytelling medium. But it doesn't really help their point when they include a game in their "examples" that attempted to do just that.

Was this example Alan Wake? The article did mention that and how there were people who didn't care about the story, but the number of lines on the screen.

The example I'm referring to is GTAIV.

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#34 FrozenLiquid
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Truth hurts, people? :P

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#35 clubsammich91
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Video gaming should grow up as a storytelling medium. But it doesn't really help their point when they include a game in their "examples" that attempted to do just that.

GreySeal9

Was this example Alan Wake? The article did mention that and how there were people who didn't care about the story, but the number of lines on the screen.

The example I'm referring to is GTAIV.

Clearly someone doesn't remember/wasn't around here when GTA IV came out. "360 version looks more colorful!" "PS3 version has more AA!" "360 version has smoother framerate!" etc. Also, as much as I loved GTA IV, I wouldn't say it advanced videogaming as a story telling medium. Most of the games mission structure was: go into building, shoot all dudes in building, take friends out for darts/bowling/pool, save game, rinse, repeat.

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#36 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"] Was this example Alan Wake? The article did mention that and how there were people who didn't care about the story, but the number of lines on the screen.clubsammich91

The example I'm referring to is GTAIV.

Clearly someone doesn't remember/wasn't around here when GTA IV came out. "360 version looks more colorful!" "PS3 version has more AA!" "360 version has smoother framerate!" etc. Also, as much as I loved GTA IV, I wouldn't say it advanced videogaming as a story telling medium. Most of the games mission structure was: go into building, shoot all dudes in building, take friends out for darts/bowling/pool, save game, rinse, repeat.

Mission structure is not the be-all, end-all of the storytelling. Why are you totally sweeping dialogue, characterization and themes under the rug? And the missions structure was actually a result of the more realistic tone, which is why it seemed so much more straight-forward. The fact that the storytelling endeavors would cause them to subdue the mission structure indicates a certain devotion to making the story the sole focus. Though if you actually list all the missions and their parameters, you'll see that your description of the mission structure is a bit of an exaggeration.

I didn't say it "advanced" videogame storytelling since the developers didn't find a way to completely bridge the gap between the story aspects and the game aspects. But it clearly was a more mature, thought-provoking story than Gears or Halo or the other GTA games. It was full of themes and the sort of literary devices that are present in movies and novels. The story was more about "life in general" than "defeating the bad guy." There was an emphasis on relationships, there was shades of grey, there was ambiguity. Some people called it pretentious and artsy, which is a tell-tale sign that it ain't your usual Halo or Gears story arc.

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I'll still have to say it, but it's unfair to compare games to movies; hell I might not even say unfair, simply, well, they don't always and shouldn't always be matched with each other on everything. That said, I won't say that the argument he is posing is unreasonable. In the gaming industry, genius/flexibility in creativity isn't always found on how good your "script" is, no matter how many times that guy from Heavy Rain would tell you. But then again, Heavy Rain is the type of game of which its quality relies heavily on the quality of the storyline. In video games there is a lot outside of that to consider(and in movies too I must say), SMG2 isn't being praised for its creativity based on the quality of its storytelling...

In a way, I do agree with what the guy is trying to say. The reason why I mostly shrug off people's views that a company like Nintendo should focus their tales/games towards a more adult oriented audience, is because the quality in Nintendo games is found outside of that, their charm too. What I do worry about, is all these companies stating that they're doing their best to focus on good, quality storytelling, only to find myself dissapointed again and again by the finished product. I'm not asking for a novel here(yet), and I realise that having a workable storyline and original setting integrated in game design is a freaking huge challenge, but do I still believe that developers can come up with something better than Gears of War(being tout out by the gaming community as good storytelling) on a saturday afternoon? I sure as hell do.

The above said, I think he is taking some things a little too seriously, and yes, Roger Ebert's argument has its share of holes in it, but on a superficial level there is a bit of sense in what he is saying. I made the decision to make a career out of this industry a few years ago exactly because it's kind of in the state this guy is telling us it is. It's growing, it has a lot of improvements to do, and more than any industry it needs creative minds to show and extract that potential, it still needs to prove itself to the public in many ways because some of the points the guy has made aren't exactly untrue. I find that this is an exciting time for it, a time when developers have the means and tools to shove Ebert's argument right in his ass. Then again, he's the guy that states Cameron is on the top of the world due to Avatar, and I can't help but make that connection: What the hell is so good about that movie that video games haven't been able to reach such a level of quality yet? I think many games have, in fact, already reached the quality presented in Avatar--sorry Avatar fans, but in that respect I do agree with what David Wong is saying here.

I do feel however that video games are getting there and will get there eventually, that things will in fact get better. However, again, we shouldn't just judge the quality and potential of this medium, based on a very parochial view of just how good their storyline is period. There is a lot more to video games than that.

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#38 smokeydabear076
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Truth hurts, people? :P

FrozenLiquid

Maybe these things apply to you, but they don't apply to me. :P Then again, I don't go around telling everyone that I play videogames. I'm not ashamed of playing games, but it's not a very interesting conversation starter unless the interest is mutual.

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#39 smokeydabear076
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I am a 25 year old in a professional career, and I have no problem telling people I am a gamer. People who live their lives at the approval of others are the ones who are "not cool".SpruceCaboose
I agree with this, but they have some good points as to why "gaming" can be seen as ridiculous. Then again, so can anything else in extremity. Football for example... that fantasy stuff, wearing all the clothes, watching every game, knowing all those stats, that's just as "nerdy". But the "heroes" in this case just so happen to be real, so I guess it's seen as more acceptable.

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#40 DraugenCP
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Well, he's right on a lot of issues, but I don't like the implication that a game has to have a good story in order to be mature. Story is not the main focus of games in a lot of instances. I do agree that the characters ought to be a bit less shallow, but it's a bit nonsensical to say videogames cannot be mature before they tell an intriguing story, as, unlike in other media, the involvement of the beholder is so big in videogames, that it alone suffices to entertain and to amaze. Nintendo games especially leave a lot to the imagination on purpose. This is possible because the gameplay is often entertaining enough in itself to leave some things optional and in the dark. It might be a bit bold to say this, but I doubt the storyline of the Zelda games would be as interesting if it was a detailed, thought-out story, that never ceased to answer all questions of the player by the end of the game. Instead, the games just supply us with the basics, and the rest is left to our imagination. That's what makes those games so mysterious, a feat which stands of the heart of every 'legend' if you will.

But he is right on a lot of instances, and that example of people cancelling their pre-order of Alan Wake because of some close-ups of its graphics is just an example of how sick you can get in this graphic whoring. But that's more inherent to the stupidity of mankind I guess. :roll:

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#41 skrat_01
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If you're that self conscious of admitting you are a gamer because of these perceptions, then there is a problem.
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#42 smokeydabear076
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Well, he's right on a lot of issues, but I don't like the implication that a game has to have a good story in order to be mature. Story is not the main focus of games in a lot of instances. I do agree that the characters ought to be a bit less shallow, but it's a bit nonsensical to say videogames cannot be mature before they tell an intriguing story, as, unlike in other media, the involvement of the beholder is so big in videogames, that it alone suffices to entertain and to amaze.

But he is right on a lot of instances, and that example of people cancelling their pre-order of Alan Wake because of some close-ups of its graphics is just an example of how sick you can get in this graphic whoring. But that's more inherent to the stupidity of mankind I guess. :roll:

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But then again, I bet the average joe who knows nothing of videogames also knows nothing about graphics whores and over-zealous petitioners. I think the main reason why it's still "not cool" to be a gamer, is the whole social life thing... like "I'm gonna go play WoW" instead of hang out with my friends... when people think videogames, I bet they think it's some sort of addiction, which also involves things like dragons and aliens, and so it's for "losers".

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#43 smokeydabear076
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If you're that self conscious of admitting you are a gamer because of these perceptions, then there is a problem. skrat_01
Yeah, sometimes people are too afraid to be themselves.

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#44 KittenWishes
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They are all valid points. They should have come here for some source material, talk about a Cow goldmine.
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#45 DraugenCP
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[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Well, he's right on a lot of issues, but I don't like the implication that a game has to have a good story in order to be mature. Story is not the main focus of games in a lot of instances. I do agree that the characters ought to be a bit less shallow, but it's a bit nonsensical to say videogames cannot be mature before they tell an intriguing story, as, unlike in other media, the involvement of the beholder is so big in videogames, that it alone suffices to entertain and to amaze.

But he is right on a lot of instances, and that example of people cancelling their pre-order of Alan Wake because of some close-ups of its graphics is just an example of how sick you can get in this graphic whoring. But that's more inherent to the stupidity of mankind I guess. :roll:

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But then again, I bet the average joe who knows nothing of videogames also knows nothing about graphics whores and over-zealous petitioners. I think the main reason why it's still "not cool" to be a gamer, is the whole social life thing... like "I'm gonna go play WoW" instead of hang out with my friends... when people think videogames, I bet they think it's some sort of addiction, which also involves things like dragons and aliens, and so it's for "losers".

Well, I found that article to be more about what's wrong with the gaming industry. But when it comes to why it's not cool to admit you're a gamer, people who never play video games are probably not aware of any of those things but the social life stereotype.

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#46 smokeydabear076
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Well, I found that article to be more about what's wrong with the gaming industry. But when it comes to why it's not cool to admit you're a gamer, people who never play video games are probably not aware of any of those things but the social life stereotype.

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Yeah, I guess a different title would have been more appropriate since it does deal with some very specific issues, ones which the average person wouldn't be aware of...

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If you're that self conscious of admitting you are a gamer because of these perceptions, then there is a problem. skrat_01

Don't take the point of the argument or the title so literally though. I completely forgot what this article was about to begin with, since to me it felt like more of a take on the current state of the industry. But I agree though, I don't see why anyone would feel that way. Like smokeydabear stated, I don't go around telling people that I play video games, in the same vein that I don't go around telling people about my belief system, or my life in general. Why would people be ashamed of playing video games? So yes, in a sense I completely ignored that side of the article... why? Because it sounds downright silly to me.

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#48 SgtKevali
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System Wars is a great example for this article.

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#49 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]If you're that self conscious of admitting you are a gamer because of these perceptions, then there is a problem. StealthSting

Don't take the point of the argument or the title so literally though. I completely forgot what this article was about to begin with, since to me it felt like more of a take on the current state of the industry. But I agree though, I don't see why anyone would feel that way. Like smokeydabear stated, I don't go around telling people that I play video games, in the same vein that I don't go around telling people about my belief system, or my life in general. Why would people be ashamed of playing video games? So yes, in a sense I completely ignored that side of the article... why? Because it sounds downright silly to me.

Question is how many people actually care about these perceptions? To be frank it is gamers first and foremost who would be, because they actually recognize these. The article is funny, as Cracked articles are, sure there are self depreciating truths in there about gamers, but also of people in general.

Yeah, sometimes people are too afraid to be themselves.

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#50 dakan45
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Well i know many people that are like that, some apply to them some not. In short Yeah article is truthfull.