720p, 900p, and 1080p make no difference

It does make a difference and is relevant. I like higher definition and less shimmering. And whatever else visual improvements better hardware will bring. Everyone does.
If games you want are only available on one (technically inferior) platform, you take what you can get. But basically all polygonal games ever would benefit from better image quality.
I'm getting a WiiU this year, would be nice if Wii games were rendered in more than 480p or whatever it is. Look at Wind Waker.

we're done here.

Actually he has a point. In the end, even if a game if 600p...if it's a game you really want to play and it's only available on one system...guess what? You're either going to suck it up and play at that sorry resolution, or you're never going to play said game.

That being said, in any other situation, the quality in which a game runs should have a big role in deciding where to purchase. If you own a One and a PS4, the only reason I can see buying multiplats on the One is if all of your friends are there because you're otherwise paying full price for inferior versions of games.

1. Opinions are like assholes, everybody got 1. :)

2. So we agree. Good. Never said it wasn't the most powerful console. Nice to find common ground

3. Companies losing money can eventually affect the buisbess of the gaming console they produce. Trickle down effect and all. Its a small point for now

Good job :)

It is the games that matter, but higher resolution does make better graphics. We should be more worried about those crushed blacks as seen in BF4 screens on XB1. That shit is not acceptable.

Straw grasping at its finest! Lems literally have no ammo. You guys should probably stay out of system wars until launch is done.

I think you mean the PS4. I have seen comparisons of both versions and the Xbox One version looks clearer, brighter.

Digital Foundry said that they messed up the capture settings for the XB1, and that the blacks don't really look like that. They said that the PS4 and PC footage was exactly as it was meant to be...

I've been saying resolution doesn't matter for a long time.

Though that won't stop people from thinking 4K is the best thing since bread and butter or whatever.

1080p > 720p

Huge difference. Xbots U MAD!?

Well, I guess I should go tell my photographer friends to ditch their high-end Nikon DSLRs for some good, solid Polaroid cameras. After all, they do the same thing...right?

@Murderstyle75:

I own a 65" HDTV that I sit 8 feet from. I also calibrated it myself when I bought it using custom image swatches I made in PhotoShop so I could match cyan, magenta, yellow, and black (I have a 6-color projection system in my TV). Most people like the image on TVs in stores because the factory settings pump up the brightness and contrast. This is why people are convinced the X1 version of BF4 looks better.

Me personally? I prefer my colors to be accurate.

But the $ 100 could matter.

Kinect 2.0 isn't mandatory, but you have to pay for it.

Then you get last gen resolutions.

lol, nice...

actually it does make a difference /thread

Suddenly graphics don't matter after Xbox fans spent all gen bragging about having better versions of multiplats. And there were barely any difference between PS3/360 versions of games and towards the end PS3 ended up getting the better versions (GTA V, Tomb Raider etc).

Now that there is a HUGE gap that is only going to get bigger the longer next gen lasts all of a sudden graphics don't matter. Instead everyone should be happy paying $100 more for outdated hardware and Kinect shovelware.

Competitive gamers who play COD at the MLG level will stand to gain a huge advantage with 1080p graphics. Clarity allows for greater accuracy.

Most games are multiplatform anyway so why the hell would someone not buy the cheaper console that is also more powerful?

Do they have any anti-PS4 gifs? Probably not.

I suggest you actually WATCH something in 1080p, then actually WATCH something in 720p, and then stop lying to yourself.

The "experts" you speak of are fucking idiots, and also blind. I don't need an "expert" to tell me what I can and can't see. I can tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on my laptop screen, my monitor, and on my tv, from the couch about 7 feet away, or from the other side of the house. If you can't, well I guess that sucks. I'm gonna keep enjoying being not blind.

hahah this thread has backfired so much

@the_bi99man:

So you are telling me your laptop screen, monitor and HDTV output both 720p and 1080p? You must have the greatest sets in the world to be able to display two completely seperate resolutions, native. Of your set is 1080p and your viewing in 720p, you are not getting 720p. You are getting 720p scaled to 1080p. The differences come down to how well your set can upscale a resolution.

And on the other side of the house? Well Jesus fu*king Christ. You must have technology that even the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE) is unaware of.

So the same people that would resort to pixel counting sub HD games for "ownage", are now claiming that 720p vs 1080p doesn't matter.

Brilliant.

Cry more.

I would too, if I were blind.

Or if you only have a 720p display.

Honestly, Sony hasn't done much to warrant mocking GIFs this year.

They announced the more powerful system, for less money, without DRM. All but one of their launch games is being delivered at 1080p. Their executives on Twitter actually talk back to the community and make changes per request.

What about the PS4 is worthy of scorn at the moment? All I see this generation is a company trying to win back the minds of gamers...and they're doing a better job than their competitors to date.

Graphics have been a part of video games since their beginning and so has the advancement of them. Ignoring that is bad for the industry. There are exceptions such as the Wii keeping the same graphical power as the Gamecube and featuring an innovative controller which changed mainstream gaming. Progress is an important part of any industry. We will see if Kinect 2.0 and the other features of the Xbox One are enough to justify the lack of graphical advancement.

@the_bi99man:

You are a fanboy and an idiot. Could it really be possible that the Cows are regressing to a RR360DD Lem mentality?

With what you told me, you have absoutely zero understanding of how HDTV even works and actually think that by changing your resolution, you are actually changing your sets display which is absoutely impossible. You cannot make a 1080p vs 720 p comparision on a 1080p set just like you can't make the same comparision by switching resolutions on a 720p set. While your set will accept 480, 720 and 1080, it will only output one. Viewing 720 on a 1080 set doesn't give you 720.

On any A/V site, you would be laughed at by everybody right now and sadly if the tables were turned and the Lems were boasting about 1080p instead, you would be saying the exact opposite.

There are many things that make the PS4 better than the Xbox One that can’t be easily expressed in number like “1080p, 60 fps,” but are often more relevant than raw resolution and frame rate to the final result you’ll see in front of your eyes. And yes, developers will most possibly sacrifice resolution and/or frame rate in order to implement elements and effects that, in the end, simply make the game look better, numbers be damned.

These Cow vs Lem arguements are lame. Why? Because they are simplistic and most of the people having these debates don't know jack shit about the tech. They just look at higher numbers and roll with it. Sadly system wars is nothing more than fighting simplicity with simplicity. All the cows know is raw power used for resolution and FPS. All the Lems know is t3h cl0uDZ.

At times all that raw power will go towards resolution and framerate, but many times it will be invested in having bigger worlds in which you can see much farther, have better lighting that makes everything looks more natural and “alive,” fight smarter enemies designed to challenge us much more effectively, and so forth.

1080p and 60 FPS look very good on paper, but we don’t play papers. We play often extremely complex entities called games, that are made by a lot more than simple numbers. Maybe it’s time to look at the whole picture instead, and be excited again for better and more relevant reasons.

Little example for you...

1080p native...

Upscaled 1080p from 720p...

Questions?

Any idea why my recent thread was locked?

You don't need to be making threads that are directed at existing threads. That's just pointless. If you've got a point to make, make it in the thread in question.

Yes, I locked your thread.

The thread in question was "Why does everyone care about 720p/1020p?" and largely irrelevant to the debate/topic I created. I also wanted to attempt some sort of coherent discussion on the topic, but that's fine. It would be nice if a comment as to why the thread was locked was left, though. I'll attempt to make threads more akin to the quality of 'wii eww or virtu boy' in the future. Thanks for the reply.

@Wasdie said:

Little example for you...

1080p native...

Upscaled 1080p from 720p...

Questions?

That looks blurry in comparison. I am glad more games will be in 1080p this gen than during the last.

It doesn't matter when you can't claim to have have the most powerful video game console ever created.

@Wasdie: Sorry but its not as cut and dry as just displaying two pictures to make a comparision up close on a PC screen or mobile device. And further more, you are not truely viewing seperate resolutions since you are viewing them on your exact same screen. How am I seeing 1080p on either when I'm viewing up close from a 1136-by-640 mobile phone?

There is a lot more to an image than resolution. The difference will be less if you have two sets that are more equal in there specifications with the main difference being the resolution. And even on the same set. A lot of scalers suck ass and is the only reason you might need 1080p over 720p. That blur might also be a split-second frame difference.

Its going to get even worse if 4k ever hits the market as mainstream. While you shouldn't need 4k for a crystal clear picture, you are going to have one and as a result will need 4k source material for the picture to look good. However side by side against native 1080p and 720p with native source material, you are going to feel ripped off at normal living room viewing distances.

If you want to hear something really interesting, A shoot-out was organized a long while back in Athens by the Greek www.avclub.gr, where 35 of its members were invited to comment on the differences between the 720 and 1080 DLP panels when fed by HD and SD material. The results were really eye-opening: The majority of the people present felt that from a distance of 4 meters and beyond from the 130' screen, the resolution difference between the two projectors was from minimal to insignificant! They even had 3-4 people who in fact thought that the 720 projector was the 1080 one!

Now back to gaming, A lot of elements contribute to the visual fidelity and to the spectacle offered by a game, and they aren’t as easily represented by raw numbers. As a matter of fact, many of them influence the final beauty of a title more than resolution.

Lighting, for instance, is probably the single most important element in determining the final quality of a game’s visuals. A game could be rendered in 4K resolution, have millions of polygons and run locked at 120 FPS, but a sub-par lighting engine would make it look like absolute crap, with models on screen that would seem flat and artificial in front of your eyes.

On the other hand, a developer that sacrifices a few thousands pixels to implement a more powerful and spectacular lighting engine will most probably produce a game that ultimately looks a lot better. Sadly though, all you guys know is Resolution.

lol, lems but bu...PS3 over priced!!!

this was what lems said ALL last gen, hell they were still saying it coming into this gen right up until the xb1 price announcement. They said they'd never pay over $400 for a game consoles (assuming MS was going to release at that price and sony was going to charge more for theirs)

But NOW, not only are they paying $500, they are doing it for a system that is technically vastly inferior the competitor who is offering a cheaper system. Wait this is the same group who bitched for 8 years about the PS3 "launch" price being over priced when it included the highest quality blu-ray player on the market when stand alone blu-ray players were $1000? Yep, the same guys.

lems are done. All lem arguments are nothing but BS

Also:

When over 90% of the "games" coming out on the consoles are the same, I would say it matters.

Funny how the much touted, "only multiplats matter" montra spammed for over half last generation is no where to be seen from lems in arguments now, another flip flop from lems.

Oh wait, isn't, "multiplats are the best games of the gen" a lem argument? Yep! Where is that argument lems?

Oh wait, isn't, "exclusives don't matter" a lem argument? Yep! Where is that argument lems?

Oh wait, isn't, "superior multiplats are the reason why we choose 360 over PS3" a lem argument? Yep! Where is that argument now lems?

Fast foward to xbone now and Lems :o...bu but the 2 or 3 exclusive launch games on xbone is the reason you should spend $500 for a system that is $100 more expensive than the competition and will have an inferior version of every multiplatform game released for the entire generation.

The 2 or 3 exclusives xbone launch games matter sooooooooooooooooo much@

lol this is amazing hypocracy and flop floppiong by lemmings right now, don't let me get started on lems saying PS3 was not a gaming console but a movie player and now lems hyping xbone for TV cable features.

Pretty much, all of a sudden resolution seems to be the new big thing. Pretty odd when I'm pretty sure I remember reading so many times that there's no difference between PC and console multiplats.

outside of framerate, resolution and AA, for a large majority, they were right...but for those reasons PC multiplats were always held as superior to console versions.

No console gamers ever disputed PC held those advantages when it came to those aspects, also resolution was always a "big thing" with console games. most people just don't care enough to upgrade to a high priced PC rig to enjoy the same games. The argument changes greatly when we are talking about resolution on mainstream consoles however.

Find the Red Dead Redemption hype thread or any big multiplat that had a difference in resolution and you will see the arguments. don't act like this is a new thing.

The point of my post flew right over your head. It's not that people denied the existence of the resolution gap, more that they discounted it saying it was meaningless that on a TV, resolution didn't play as big of a role due to sitting distance. Of course it's not a new thing, it's just amusing how people's opinions on such things change depending on the context.

some claim FPS games are better played on 720p because 1080p becomes too much.

1080p>>720p

399>>499

ps4>>xbone

stay mad lemmings

This all sounds a little like damage control. Gamers were complaining all last gen (on both sides) that 1080p had not yet become standard. Then new consoles are released, and this suddenly becomes a moot point? Fact is, the difference isn't enormous between 720p upscaled and 1080p native, but it is slightly noticeable. What irritates me is that the Xbox One has a $500 price tag and doesn't have launch games in 1080p. When you pay more for something in technology, generally you're paying for more advanced tech (not always the case but you see my point).

This is true of course and I will be enjoying all my games next gen(in glorious 1080p on my PS4,lol).

That's why PC gaming is the best.

It has the biggest library.

Why choose between 6 games, 10 games or 300 games when you can have 10,000 games and turn it up as high as you want or can afford?

What person who plays games has a native 720p screen these days?

I'll leave it up to the developers to decide where they should spend hardware resources. They probably know better than me. As you can see with Xbox One games, they do seem to prioritize framerate and "the whole picture" over resolution. So that's good. Suspect a lot of these multiplats get a resolution bump rather than anything else because it's the easiest/cheapest improvement to achieve. Especially this early in the cycle. 720p shouldn't be acceptable any longer though.

Also, movies aren't games. Movies don't suffer as much from aliasing. All these tests and graphs are only applicable if they were done using games. Shimmering is really blatant. It's the first thing you notice when you swap down. Aliasing is Satan.

You can't do this on Gamespot what with the horrible compression?

1080>720p