A full and final comparasion of the cost of PC gaming vs console gaming.

I just wanted to add that my post above is neither supporting, nor attacking PC or consoles. Most PCs do cost a fair bit for high end, and I just want to help those on a budget with that $731 PC build.

PEACE

Well, that comparison is really off and quite biased.

If I was to purchase a display just for my PS3, it wouldn't be a $549 22" Samsung. Nope, I chose to buy a 40" 1080p Samsung for my PS3(including other consoles and PC use), for $1800. Since your comparison is supposed to be getting the best experience, I'll go full out here. Keep the keyboard/mouse/3 extra controllers(oddly enough, I only own 2 but what ever) and the 5.1 surround sound.(logitech Z5500 $469 just because they're way better than the speakers you listed.)

Now I know what you're thinking, wow, that costs more than the PC you built. Lets just say not everyone can or is willing to do what it takes to build their own "high end" gaming PC. You could of actually made a high end PC in your comparison but you didn't oddly enough. Since we're talking about "high end" gaming PC's...

Generally people that aren't into this kind of thing might be inclined to purchase a well recognized name brand like Alienware(CrossfireX $5150), HP(Black Bird $4999US), Dell (with out additions made to the package, XPS for $3000)or VoodooPC($6300US for high end) Yep, "high end" gaming PC's are cheap as nails!

Throw in your surround sound, monitor, controllers(because, as it was mentioned to someone else, PC's can split screen too!)

My point is this... You can twist this argument anyway you want and make console or PC the winner in the end... It all boils down to how much are you willing to spend for your entertainment and what you actually want to do. Obviously a 40" 1080p display isn't going to give you the resolutions that a decent PC monitor will. But then on the flip side, the family isn't going to be comfortable watching a movie in front of that 22" Samsung monitor on the PC either.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Your thread is void..instantly because your the same guy that said that an E2140 dual-core processor was 100x more powerful than a Cell:( I'm no computer hardware major..but a little research goes a long way to shoo off ignorance.tenaka2

Stop bumping it for the love of god.

What does loving God have to do with this?

OK, I'm a PC fan, but I'll admit that the typical person is not going to build their machine.

So, I went to Dell to spec out a machine with their Help Me Choose option. Everything at midrange, and I upgraded a few parts, so in every case, you meet or exceed a PS3 & XBox 360.

Intel® CoreTM2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium with Digital Cable Support
4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 4 DIMMs
Blu-ray Disc Combo (DVD+/-RW + BD-ROM)
No Monitor
nVidia GeForce 8800 GT 512MB
No Floppy Drive or Media Reader

Total cost: $1550

Yes, we could go cheaper. Less RAM, a slower processor, a worse video card (which a typical person would probably do, but hey, I want to be able to run every game on the market). No learning how to build it myself.

From Best Buy

PS3 40 GB $400
PS3 HDMI Cable $90
PS3 Remote $25
Dualshock 3 $55

Total Cost: $570

Yes, we could use a far cheaper HDMI cable, but if we're putting restrictions on the PC user for having to use Dell, when they could build it themselves for far cheaper, then they're probably not going to have enough knowledge to know to get anything other than an HDMI cable labled specifically for the PS3.

XBox 360 $350
XBox Live $40
Second Controller: $50
HDMI Cable $50
Remote: $20

Total Cost: $510

The other thing you have to realize is that after a year, you'll have to repurchase your XBox Live, and also consider the amount of batteries you'll go through with your controllers. All in all, the PS3 will be cheaper in the end.

At an average cost of $10 extra for a console game, and a shelf life of 3 years for each system, the typical console player would have to purchase around 30 games a year to be more expensive than the PC user. This, however, isn't a complete assessment, as downloadable content isn't factored. In which case, often times, it's free on the PC end, unlike the console end.

Now, the average gamer typically purchases about 7 games a year, which puts the total cost of a decently mid range Dell Machine at about $750 once you include a few downloadable content pieces (4 $5 purchases, which I feel is fair). The question then comes into play, is the $750 extra worth it? Mind you, you have to also consider that a PC just isn't for gaming, but other activities that consoles just cannot match. Remember, the above is not talking about your hardcore gaming enthusiast, it's talking about Joe Walmart, who doesn't know any better. All of the above numbers are completely off, as your enthusiast would build the PC himself, would probably bargain hunt online to get the best available prices on wires, controllers, etc (at which point, they'd already have a PC, so probably if a PC gamer, would just upgrade a component or two, and not the whole PC, and if a console gamer, would have to take into consideration that they have a PC as well as a console, which would be a bit unfair if not factoring that into the price.)

bla bla bla

Dell

bla bla bla

Nytegard

:lol: :lol: :lol:

From Best Buy

PS3 40 GB $400
PS3 HDMI Cable $90
PS3 Remote $25 WTF?
Dualshock 3 $55

Total Cost: $570

Yes, we could use a far cheaper HDMI cable, but if we're putting restrictions on the PC user for having to use Dell, when they could build it themselves for far cheaper, then they're probably not going to have enough knowledge to know to get anything other than an HDMI cable labled specifically for the PS3.

XBox 360 $350
XBox Live $40
Second Controller: $50
HDMI Cable $50
Remote: $20 WTF?

Total Cost: $510

The other thing you have to realize is that after a year, you'll have to repurchase your XBox Live, and also consider the amount of batteries you'll go through with your controllers. All in all, the PS3 will be cheaper in the end. RECHARGEABLE BATTERIES ANYONE?

Nytegard

I'm in an A-hole mood, so I thought I'd nitpick :P

Well, that comparison is really off and quite biased.

If I was to purchase a display just for my PS3, it wouldn't be a $549 22" Samsung. Nope, I chose to buy a 40" 1080p Samsung for my PS3(including other consoles and PC use), for $1800. Since your comparison is supposed to be getting the best experience, I'll go full out here. Keep the keyboard/mouse/3 extra controllers(oddly enough, I only own 2 but what ever) and the 5.1 surround sound.(logitech Z5500 $469 just because they're way better than the speakers you listed.)

Now I know what you're thinking, wow, that costs more than the PC you built. Lets just say not everyone can or is willing to do what it takes to build their own "high end" gaming PC. You could of actually made a high end PC in your comparison but you didn't oddly enough. Since we're talking about "high end" gaming PC's...

Generally people that aren't into this kind of thing might be inclined to purchase a well recognized name brand like Alienware(CrossfireX $5150), HP(Black Bird $4999US), Dell (with out additions made to the package, XPS for $3000)or VoodooPC($6300US for high end) Yep, "high end" gaming PC's are cheap as nails!

Throw in your surround sound, monitor, controllers(because, as it was mentioned to someone else, PC's can split screen too!)

My point is this... You can twist this argument anyway you want and make console or PC the winner in the end... It all boils down to how much are you willing to spend for your entertainment and what you actually want to do. Obviously a 40" 1080p display isn't going to give you the resolutions that a decent PC monitor will. But then on the flip side, the family isn't going to be comfortable watching a movie in front of that 22" Samsung monitor on the PC either.

Terami

While a 1080p TV is good for watching movies we are only talking about gaming here and in that field the PS3 is not good enough for a 1080p TV.It's a waste buying a 1080p for just gaming on a PS3 as it will be the same as a 720p HDTV.Ya add any sound setup as the cost would be the same for console and PC.BTW the logitech Z5500 are $250 and in $500 you should buy full range 5.1 speakers.;)

As has been said countless times building a PC is really not that difficult.But whatever it is buying the pre-builts you are suggesting are total ripoffs and you can buy as powerful PC for HALF the price of those.And if someone is really not willing to make their own PC then who told you that buying a pre-built is their only option?there are online sites that will build a custom PC for you for a cost that isnt even close to what you would be paying for a pre-built.

You really cant bring in externalities here like the family watching TV,I mean comon that's just stupidity?Fact is that in order to enjoy ture HD on consoles you have to purchase a much more expensive screen than the PC.Heck with a PC you can just buy a $100 CRT monitor and that would give you true HD gaming.This one thing is what makes console gaming more expensive than PC's IMO.

[QUOTE="Terami"]

Well, that comparison is really off and quite biased.

If I was to purchase a display just for my PS3, it wouldn't be a $549 22" Samsung. Nope, I chose to buy a 40" 1080p Samsung for my PS3(including other consoles and PC use), for $1800. Since your comparison is supposed to be getting the best experience, I'll go full out here. Keep the keyboard/mouse/3 extra controllers(oddly enough, I only own 2 but what ever) and the 5.1 surround sound.(logitech Z5500 $469 just because they're way better than the speakers you listed.)

Now I know what you're thinking, wow, that costs more than the PC you built. Lets just say not everyone can or is willing to do what it takes to build their own "high end" gaming PC. You could of actually made a high end PC in your comparison but you didn't oddly enough. Since we're talking about "high end" gaming PC's...

Generally people that aren't into this kind of thing might be inclined to purchase a well recognized name brand like Alienware(CrossfireX $5150), HP(Black Bird $4999US), Dell (with out additions made to the package, XPS for $3000)or VoodooPC($6300US for high end) Yep, "high end" gaming PC's are cheap as nails!

Throw in your surround sound, monitor, controllers(because, as it was mentioned to someone else, PC's can split screen too!)

My point is this... You can twist this argument anyway you want and make console or PC the winner in the end... It all boils down to how much are you willing to spend for your entertainment and what you actually want to do. Obviously a 40" 1080p display isn't going to give you the resolutions that a decent PC monitor will. But then on the flip side, the family isn't going to be comfortable watching a movie in front of that 22" Samsung monitor on the PC either.

Spybot_9

While a 1080p TV is good for watching movies we are only talking about gaming here and in that field the PS3 is not good enough for a 1080p TV.It's a waste buying a 1080p for just gaming on a PS3 as it will be the same as a 720p HDTV.Ya add any sound setup as the cost would be the same for console and PC.BTW the logitech Z5500 are $250 and in $500 you should buy full range 5.1 speakers.;)

As has been said countless times building a PC is really not that difficult.But whatever it is buying the pre-builts you are suggesting are total ripoffs and you can buy as powerful PC for HALF the price of those.And if someone is really not willing to make their won people then who told you that buying a pre-built is their only option?there are online sites that will build a custom PC for you for a cost that isnt even close to what you would be paying for a pre-built.

You really cant bring in externalities here like the family watching TV,I mean comon that's just stupidity?Fact is that in order to enjoy ture HD on consoles you have to purchase a much more expensive screen that the PC.Heck with a PC you can just buy a $100 CRT monitor and that would give you true HD gaming.This one thing is what makes console gaming more expensive than PC's IMO.

and still, no console gamers care. funny how that happens, eh?

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Terami"]

Well, that comparison is really off and quite biased.

If I was to purchase a display just for my PS3, it wouldn't be a $549 22" Samsung. Nope, I chose to buy a 40" 1080p Samsung for my PS3(including other consoles and PC use), for $1800. Since your comparison is supposed to be getting the best experience, I'll go full out here. Keep the keyboard/mouse/3 extra controllers(oddly enough, I only own 2 but what ever) and the 5.1 surround sound.(logitech Z5500 $469 just because they're way better than the speakers you listed.)

Now I know what you're thinking, wow, that costs more than the PC you built. Lets just say not everyone can or is willing to do what it takes to build their own "high end" gaming PC. You could of actually made a high end PC in your comparison but you didn't oddly enough. Since we're talking about "high end" gaming PC's...

Generally people that aren't into this kind of thing might be inclined to purchase a well recognized name brand like Alienware(CrossfireX $5150), HP(Black Bird $4999US), Dell (with out additions made to the package, XPS for $3000)or VoodooPC($6300US for high end) Yep, "high end" gaming PC's are cheap as nails!

Throw in your surround sound, monitor, controllers(because, as it was mentioned to someone else, PC's can split screen too!)

My point is this... You can twist this argument anyway you want and make console or PC the winner in the end... It all boils down to how much are you willing to spend for your entertainment and what you actually want to do. Obviously a 40" 1080p display isn't going to give you the resolutions that a decent PC monitor will. But then on the flip side, the family isn't going to be comfortable watching a movie in front of that 22" Samsung monitor on the PC either.

clone01

While a 1080p TV is good for watching movies we are only talking about gaming here and in that field the PS3 is not good enough for a 1080p TV.It's a waste buying a 1080p for just gaming on a PS3 as it will be the same as a 720p HDTV.Ya add any sound setup as the cost would be the same for console and PC.BTW the logitech Z5500 are $250 and in $500 you should buy full range 5.1 speakers.;)

As has been said countless times building a PC is really not that difficult.But whatever it is buying the pre-builts you are suggesting are total ripoffs and you can buy as powerful PC for HALF the price of those.And if someone is really not willing to make their won people then who told you that buying a pre-built is their only option?there are online sites that will build a custom PC for you for a cost that isnt even close to what you would be paying for a pre-built.

You really cant bring in externalities here like the family watching TV,I mean comon that's just stupidity?Fact is that in order to enjoy ture HD on consoles you have to purchase a much more expensive screen that the PC.Heck with a PC you can just buy a $100 CRT monitor and that would give you true HD gaming.This one thing is what makes console gaming more expensive than PC's IMO.

and still, no console gamers care. funny how that happens, eh?

Console gamers just cant grasp that they paid all that much money for some HD gaming and now realise that it is just a totally inferior experience to something that you could get for the same price.:lol:

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Terami"]

Well, that comparison is really off and quite biased.

If I was to purchase a display just for my PS3, it wouldn't be a $549 22" Samsung. Nope, I chose to buy a 40" 1080p Samsung for my PS3(including other consoles and PC use), for $1800. Since your comparison is supposed to be getting the best experience, I'll go full out here. Keep the keyboard/mouse/3 extra controllers(oddly enough, I only own 2 but what ever) and the 5.1 surround sound.(logitech Z5500 $469 just because they're way better than the speakers you listed.)

Now I know what you're thinking, wow, that costs more than the PC you built. Lets just say not everyone can or is willing to do what it takes to build their own "high end" gaming PC. You could of actually made a high end PC in your comparison but you didn't oddly enough. Since we're talking about "high end" gaming PC's...

Generally people that aren't into this kind of thing might be inclined to purchase a well recognized name brand like Alienware(CrossfireX $5150), HP(Black Bird $4999US), Dell (with out additions made to the package, XPS for $3000)or VoodooPC($6300US for high end) Yep, "high end" gaming PC's are cheap as nails!

Throw in your surround sound, monitor, controllers(because, as it was mentioned to someone else, PC's can split screen too!)

My point is this... You can twist this argument anyway you want and make console or PC the winner in the end... It all boils down to how much are you willing to spend for your entertainment and what you actually want to do. Obviously a 40" 1080p display isn't going to give you the resolutions that a decent PC monitor will. But then on the flip side, the family isn't going to be comfortable watching a movie in front of that 22" Samsung monitor on the PC either.

Spybot_9

While a 1080p TV is good for watching movies we are only talking about gaming here and in that field the PS3 is not good enough for a 1080p TV.It's a waste buying a 1080p for just gaming on a PS3 as it will be the same as a 720p HDTV.Ya add any sound setup as the cost would be the same for console and PC.BTW the logitech Z5500 are $250 and in $500 you should buy full range 5.1 speakers.;)

As has been said countless times building a PC is really not that difficult.But whatever it is buying the pre-builts you are suggesting are total ripoffs and you can buy as powerful PC for HALF the price of those.And if someone is really not willing to make their won people then who told you that buying a pre-built is their only option?there are online sites that will build a custom PC for you for a cost that isnt even close to what you would be paying for a pre-built.

You really cant bring in externalities here like the family watching TV,I mean comon that's just stupidity?Fact is that in order to enjoy ture HD on consoles you have to purchase a much more expensive screen that the PC.Heck with a PC you can just buy a $100 CRT monitor and that would give you true HD gaming.This one thing is what makes console gaming more expensive than PC's IMO.

and still, no console gamers care. funny how that happens, eh?

Console gamers just cant grasp that they paid all that much money for some HD gaming and now realise that it is just a totally inferior experience to something that you could get for the same price.:lol:

keep telling yourself that. and you make a good point. i shall stop contributing to these pointless threads of yours.

And what's worse is that the PS3 will have so many more games worth buying than the PC just for this year : (wok7

[QUOTE="wok7"]And what's worse is that the PS3 will have so many more games worth buying than the PC just for this year : (skrat_01

That should put him in his place.

Atleast you made a decent argument with an open mind.And while I dont agree with all your points you cant deny that how close the total cost of PC gaming and console gaming is that we are seeing with one argument PC gaming more cheaper and with another argument console gaming being more cheaper which shows just how close they are.

While a 1080p TV is good for watching movies we are only talking about gaming here and in that field the PS3 is not good enough for a 1080p TV.It's a waste buying a 1080p for just gaming on a PS3 as it will be the same as a 720p HDTV.Ya add any sound setup as the cost would be the same for console and PC.BTW the logitech Z5500 are $250 and in $500 you should buy full range 5.1 speakers.;)

As has been said countless times building a PC is really not that difficult.But whatever it is buying the pre-builts you are suggesting are total ripoffs and you can buy as powerful PC for HALF the price of those.And if someone is really not willing to make their own PC then who told you that buying a pre-built is their only option?there are online sites that will build a custom PC for you for a cost that isnt even close to what you would be paying for a pre-built.

You really cant bring in externalities here like the family watching TV,I mean comon that's just stupidity?Fact is that in order to enjoy ture HD on consoles you have to purchase a much more expensive screen than the PC.Heck with a PC you can just buy a $100 CRT monitor and that would give you true HD gaming.This one thing is what makes console gaming more expensive than PC's IMO.

Spybot_9

As for watching movies... Some will make their purchases for more than just games.(ie:the PC can do more than just game) True, PS3 doesn't need a 1080p display for games but for the movies it's beautiful.

[QUOTE="bladeeagle"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"]WTF are the TV, Sony HDMI cable, gaming mouse, gaming keyboard, and 5.1 surround sound doing under the ps3?Spybot_9

Didn't know the PS3 came with a tv.

oh great the hermits have a jive T now....im thinking of turning my comission

also: see how its only even when you take the most expensive console?

try to do that with a wii and see who has the cheeper cost

hell even the x360

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]Atleast you made a decent argument with an open mind.And while I dont agree with all your points you cant deny that how close the total cost of PC gaming and console gaming is that we are seeing with one argument PC gaming more cheaper and with another argument console gaming being more cheaper which shows just how close they are.

While a 1080p TV is good for watching movies we are only talking about gaming here and in that field the PS3 is not good enough for a 1080p TV.It's a waste buying a 1080p for just gaming on a PS3 as it will be the same as a 720p HDTV.Ya add any sound setup as the cost would be the same for console and PC.BTW the logitech Z5500 are $250 and in $500 you should buy full range 5.1 speakers.;)

As has been said countless times building a PC is really not that difficult.But whatever it is buying the pre-builts you are suggesting are total ripoffs and you can buy as powerful PC for HALF the price of those.And if someone is really not willing to make their own PC then who told you that buying a pre-built is their only option?there are online sites that will build a custom PC for you for a cost that isnt even close to what you would be paying for a pre-built.

You really cant bring in externalities here like the family watching TV,I mean comon that's just stupidity?Fact is that in order to enjoy ture HD on consoles you have to purchase a much more expensive screen than the PC.Heck with a PC you can just buy a $100 CRT monitor and that would give you true HD gaming.This one thing is what makes console gaming more expensive than PC's IMO.

Terami

As for watching movies... Some will make their purchases for more than just games.(ie:the PC can do more than just game) True, PS3 doesn't need a 1080p display for games but for the movies it's beautiful.

The PC is only more expensive in the US, in alot of countrys (Aus. for example) it is the same/cheeper due to the high cost of im port stuff

if im not mistaken games cost them about $100 (??)

and consoles are just incredibly expensive

I'm confused on how this thread has turned out.

The TC made a thread to show that PC gaming is at the very least on par @ the price with console gaming.

Yet for some reason console fanboys feel the need to bring in games/installs/tweaking.

Where in the original post was any of that mentioned? No, didn't think so. This thread is straight about price points to show that the argument that PC gaming is expensive has been debunked. Now stop bringing all your other little arguments in here to try to inflate your E-Peen that you bought a superior machine.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="wok7"]And what's worse is that the PS3 will have so many more games worth buying than the PC just for this year : (Killfox

That should put him in his place.

well, that, and PCs cant do HD so theres no way they can compete with the ps3 :lol:

what is the cost to have someone install all that stuff in my tower, where is the cost of windows and other non pirated unliscensced operating programs that are user friendly?

Ok lets start everything from scracth assuming you have absolutely nothing and we are going to make NO compromises in the cost of anything.We are also gonna make a high end PC this time with good periperals as well.And the same for the PS3 as everything that needs to be bought to fully make use of it gaming wise will be bought.

THE PC SETUP:

Samsung DVD burner

Mid-Tower good looking computer case

250GB 7200RPM HDD

Samsung 22" LCD monitor

Corsair VX 450W PSU This PSU will EASILY power this PC.If you dont believe then just make a topic in the hardware forum.It is a high quality power supply

5.1 surround speakers

Logitech multimedia keyboard

Logitech gaming mouse

Logitech wireless gamepad with rumble

Corsair 4GB DDR2 800Mhz RAM (it is 2GB but buying two of these will give you 4GB)

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L motherboard

Intel Quad Core processor

Windows Vista home premium 64-bit

8800GTS 512MB with a free copy of witcher

TOTAL COST=$1300

THE PS3 SETUP:

80GB PS3

Samsung 22" 720p HDTV

Sony HDMI cable

3xDual shock 3 controller (4 player split screen anyone?)

5.1 surround speakers

Logitech USB gaming mouse

Logitech USB keyboard

TOTAL COST=$1400

So there we have it.The PC setup literally destorys the PS3 setup for less money and will provide a MUCH SUPERIOR experience.It is 2 generarions ahead in terms of gaming performance and will last a very very long time.It has all the goodies to make your gaming experience a dream.

In order to fully utilize the PS3 you have to buy a HDTV as with a monitor you will be playing in an upscaled res.You also need all those controllers for the highly touted split screen abilities of a console.The PS3 has support for keyboard and mouse so that is also to be bought to have the option of playing games with a keyboardmouse which have support for them.

I guess all those people who say that PC gaming is expensive are royally OWNED.This is a HIGH END PC with high end periperals as well and it costs less than the requirement of HD console gaming which isnt all that HD anyways.

This thread is NOT about which system has better games so please dont post any garbage if you dont have anything useful to say.

We cannot use the monitor with the PS3 cuz it will give an upscaled image all the time.Who the hell want to do that.You have to buy that HDTV in order to play in native resolution.Please dont even try to arguethis.

After this thread,PC GAMING SHOULD NEVER EVER BE CALLED MORE EXPENSIVE AGAIN.PERIOD.

Spybot_9

what is the cost to have someone install all that stuff in my tower, where is the cost of windows and other non pirated unliscensced operating programs that are user friendly?

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

Ok lets start everything from scracth assuming you have absolutely nothing and we are going to make NO compromises in the cost of anything.We are also gonna make a high end PC this time with good periperals as well.And the same for the PS3 as everything that needs to be bought to fully make use of it gaming wise will be bought.

THE PC SETUP:

Samsung DVD burner

Mid-Tower good looking computer case

250GB 7200RPM HDD

Samsung 22" LCD monitor

Corsair VX 450W PSU This PSU will EASILY power this PC.If you dont believe then just make a topic in the hardware forum.It is a high quality power supply

5.1 surround speakers

Logitech multimedia keyboard

Logitech gaming mouse

Logitech wireless gamepad with rumble

Corsair 4GB DDR2 800Mhz RAM (it is 2GB but buying two of these will give you 4GB)

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L motherboard

Intel Quad Core processor

Windows Vista home premium 64-bit

8800GTS 512MB with a free copy of witcher

TOTAL COST=$1300

THE PS3 SETUP:

80GB PS3

Samsung 22" 720p HDTV

Sony HDMI cable

3xDual shock 3 controller (4 player split screen anyone?)

5.1 surround speakers

Logitech USB gaming mouse

Logitech USB keyboard

TOTAL COST=$1400

So there we have it.The PC setup literally destorys the PS3 setup for less money and will provide a MUCH SUPERIOR experience.It is 2 generarions ahead in terms of gaming performance and will last a very very long time.It has all the goodies to make your gaming experience a dream.

In order to fully utilize the PS3 you have to buy a HDTV as with a monitor you will be playing in an upscaled res.You also need all those controllers for the highly touted split screen abilities of a console.The PS3 has support for keyboard and mouse so that is also to be bought to have the option of playing games with a keyboardmouse which have support for them.

I guess all those people who say that PC gaming is expensive are royally OWNED.This is a HIGH END PC with high end periperals as well and it costs less than the requirement of HD console gaming which isnt all that HD anyways.

This thread is NOT about which system has better games so please dont post any garbage if you dont have anything useful to say.

We cannot use the monitor with the PS3 cuz it will give an upscaled image all the time.Who the hell want to do that.You have to buy that HDTV in order to play in native resolution.Please dont even try to arguethis.

After this thread,PC GAMING SHOULD NEVER EVER BE CALLED MORE EXPENSIVE AGAIN.PERIOD.

Bdking57

This topic shows the difference from real PC fans, and just plain PCtards.

PC's are awesome, but consoles don't need upgrading.

This topic shows the difference from real PC fans, and just plain PCtards.

PC's are awesome, but consoles don't need upgrading.

Re5ident_Evil

[QUOTE="KodiakGTS"]

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]The damage control is INSAME HERE.:lol:Spybot_9

Whats insane is the fact that you put a 720p TV on the PS3 side, when it could just as easily use the 22" monitor instead. The TV is more than twice the cost, give me a break. Also, the HDMI cables are just silly, you can get perfectly good non-Sony cables for about $10. And what the heck was the point in including the cables to begin with if you are using a
720p TV? At that resolution the difference between that and VGA or Component is completely negligable.

Not to mention that your supposedly "high end" system is a joke. 7200RPM and no Crossfire or SLI? Gimme a break.

Now I'm no fan of the PS3, but if you are going to attempt a comparison like this at least do it reasonably.

And yes 7200RPM is high end and SLI and CF is a waste of money and by no means a requirement for a high end PC.Please stop kidding yourself you dont anything about any sort of hardware it seems.:lol:

[QUOTE="Re5ident_Evil"]

This topic shows the difference from real PC fans, and just plain PCtards.

PC's are awesome, but consoles don't need upgrading.

Spybot_9

Oh you can probably do, if Infinity ward comes out with a version of xbox. But it's Xbox graphics.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="KodiakGTS"]

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]The damage control is INSAME HERE.:lol:KodiakGTS

Whats insane is the fact that you put a 720p TV on the PS3 side, when it could just as easily use the 22" monitor instead. The TV is more than twice the cost, give me a break. Also, the HDMI cables are just silly, you can get perfectly good non-Sony cables for about $10. And what the heck was the point in including the cables to begin with if you are using a
720p TV? At that resolution the difference between that and VGA or Component is completely negligable.

Not to mention that your supposedly "high end" system is a joke. 7200RPM and no Crossfire or SLI? Gimme a break.

Now I'm no fan of the PS3, but if you are going to attempt a comparison like this at least do it reasonably.

And yes 7200RPM is high end and SLI and CF is a waste of money and by no means a requirement for a high end PC.Please stop kidding yourself you dont anything about any sort of hardware it seems.:lol:

You dont know what you are talking about resolutions.I am not even going to argue this.

And you have 3850 CF.I am sorry but that's a pathetic decision.:lol:

And LOL what a 512MB 8800GTS is about 50% faster than the 3850 what are you talking about?:lol:

Dont believe any of that well just make a thread in the PC hardware forum and you will be royally owned.I feel sad for you having made such terrible decisions with your PC.Next time do your research.

adding the cost of a tv for consoles makes no sense, people buy consoles after buying a TV, and even then its not just used for gamingMad_Rhetoric

Huh I recall I bought my HDTV for my Xbox.. but I guess that was just me.

[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]adding the cost of a tv for consoles makes no sense, people buy consoles after buying a TV, and even then its not just used for gamingjangojay

Huh I recall I bought my HDTV for my Xbox.. but I guess that was just me.

Some people are just filty rich you know.. XD

[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]adding the cost of a tv for consoles makes no sense, people buy consoles after buying a TV, and even then its not just used for gamingjangojay

Huh I recall I bought my HDTV for my Xbox.. but I guess that was just me.

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[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]adding the cost of a tv for consoles makes no sense, people buy consoles after buying a TV, and even then its not just used for gamingMad_Rhetoric

Huh I recall I bought my HDTV for my Xbox.. but I guess that was just me.

Well i guess it's the other way around for me.. because I bought the TV specifically for gaming :P

OK, let me get my 2 cents in.

I guess if you're starting from scratch this list makes (some) sense, but for most....

HD TV - already have a 62 1080p for my home theater so take that off

Surround sound - again, already have it and I would only have to get a new setup if I built a gaming rig since I can't hook it up to my home theater

Keyboard and mouse...... - ridiculous for console, please don't try to argue this one

3 DS3's - this one is iffy, I have 2 controllers but I would never try to argue the merits of consoles based on split screen gaming so, I guess take it or leave it

HDMI cable - $10 bucks, this is well known and anyone thinking of building a gaming PC should be tech savvy enough to know better than to pay big bucks for a cable

Don't forget about Blu-Ray for the home theater folks either, I won't be watching any movies on a 22in monitor (or on a setup with no Blu-Ray drive)

Even if the price is comparable that's not the only thing keeping people away from PC gaming. Hardware setup and updates are just as big a factor as price for a lot of people. What about games, I don't really play FPS, or sims so what am I going to do with the PC that would make it worth the money? PS3 or 360 integrates perfectly into my current setup with no effort and for me personally is just a much better gaming option. I've been gaming for a long time and PC gaming is just a different world that most people don't want to get into. My last "gaming rig" was my Commodore 64 and I haven't looked back. Some of you old schoolers might remember that beast. How about text based football.

Me: "Run right"

Commodore: "5 yard gain, 2nd and 5"

Me: "Pass left"

Commodore: "Incomplete, 3rd and 5"

Me: "DAMN YOU!....Pass right"

Commodore: "3 yard gain, 4th and 2"

Me: "Bull****!!!!!!! Run middle"

Commodore: "1 yard loss, change of possesion"

Me: NOOOOOOOOOO

Those were the days

Another thing, you keep giving people **** for their lack of knowledge about PC gaming. These are "educated gamers" and they don't know enough to put this PC together. How do you think most of the general public would respond given the choice between building this PC, and just picking up a console at Best Buy? As far as I'm concerned, this is PC's biggest obstacle.

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WTF are the TV, Sony HDMI cable, gaming mouse, gaming keyboard, and 5.1 surround sound doing under the ps3?Couth_

don't know bout the k/m but the be = they both have to have 5.1 sound if you don't want 5.1 then remove them from the pc setup, you need hdmi to get hd, the composite doesn't cut it

When the 360 started Next-Gen, lets choose a popular game, say Oblivion. And now being well into the 'next-gen' lets choose another big game, CoD4.

Now just between gamers and PC fans, how many times where upgrades needed just to play? For gamers, they only needed to buy a console, but for the PC fans, the number upgrades through this period needs at least 2 hands to count on. This isn't good for PC fans considering these 2 games as well as any others that weren't Sims2 titles sold, reviewed, and generally played better on the console.

PWNT

wok7

no upgrade needed for cod4, no upgrade needed for oblivion, no upgrade needed for stalker, crysis etc etc. you don't have to upgrade to play pc game, you upgrade when you fell like killing the consoles

In the last 2 years I have upgraded once and that's only to play games that console can only dream of. If pc games max settings were the same as console I wouldn't have upgraded in years

dude im sorry but it is. Chances are you have a TV and if u wanted one exclusive to your Ps3 then u could easily get the same monitor that u chose for the PC (since it is half the price of the tv u chose for the ps3) And while 4 player split screen is awesome, who needs it? the pc certainly doesnt do it, so why is that considered in the comparison? and why does the Ps3 really need a gaming mouse or keyboard? Really u have a controller, u dont need a mouse and keyboard. And u hardly ever use it to type messages (if u do u only need a cheap keyboard.)

Also what if i wanted to play my Pc games on a big monitor? That could easily get costly. Thats y for large screens go for TV and for small screens like the 22in for a monitor. Sry but i dont like sitting close to see my game, i like big screens.

PCs are more expensive, but theres a reason, they do more than gaming. So stop trying to make the argument that they arnt more expensive becasue your really just making a futile attempt.

However thankyou for the list of things for the Pc. Im thinking about building myself a new one sometime soon so i can play the 360 "exclusive" Bioshock. so thank you. I like newegg.com they have pretty good prices. Altho i think ima skip on the monitor and use my 40in bravia instead.

beinss

I already have a case, p/s, hdd, dvd, k/m, speckers etc works both ways

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="f50p90"]I would buy a $3000 HDTV before I buy a gaming rig, that's the difference theref50p90

shows how much you know about pcs. you can get all those sports through the internet or get a tv card and get them on you pc. a hdtv has zero use for productivity while a gaming pc is very useful for other power hungry apps, like photos, vidoes, animation etc

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]The damage control is INSAME HERE.:lol:wagexslave

This whole topic was based on damage control. Hermits trying to damage control the fact that console gaming is cheaper than pc gaming.

Just get over it hermits.

more like consolites trying to deny the fact when all costs are added up pc gaming is no more expencive. you might have a tv, but when I do a full upgrade all that need to be upgraded is cpu, mob, ram and gpu and that is cheaper than buying a ps3

And what's worse is that the PS3 will have so many more games worth buying than the PC just for this year : (wok7

like? pc has more game worth buying than consoles last year and the year before and the year before that

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]Just give it up. PC gaming is more expensive than console gaming and it always will be. I really dont see the point in arguing about this, just be happy you can actually afford PC gaming and shut up, crawl back in your corner, and play Crysis.wagexslave

Funny that the things you listed can easily be negated as well. Dont buy games when they first come out or use a coupon, most PS3 games have free DLC, PS3 has free online, and there is no ETC.

Lots of PC games milk too like MMORPGS(WoW anyone?) and Steam games.

Anything you hermits say will be negated so just GIVE UP ALREADY.

how is steam milking? best buy must be milking too then.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]Funny that the things you listed can easily be negated as well. Dont buy games when they first come out or use a coupon, most PS3 games have free DLC, PS3 has free online, and there is no ETC.Lots of PC games milk too like MMORPGS(WoW anyone?) and Steam games. Anything you hermits say will be negated so just GIVE UP ALREADY.wagexslave

Stopped reading there.

and why should i care about usa?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

So there we have it.The PC setup literally destorys the PS3 setup for less money and will provide a MUCH SUPERIOR experience.It is 2 generarions ahead in terms of gaming performance and will last a very very long time.It has all the goodies to make your gaming experience a dream.

Vandalvideo

how do you do gears split screen? I don't see any option for split screen.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]Funny that the things you listed can easily be negated as well. Dont buy games when they first come out or use a coupon, most PS3 games have free DLC, PS3 has free online, and there is no ETC.Lots of PC games milk too like MMORPGS(WoW anyone?) and Steam games. Anything you hermits say will be negated so just GIVE UP ALREADY.wagexslave

Stopped reading there.

In the US, brand new PS3 games are $50-60 and brand new PC games are $50. In order for it to make the kind of difference you are trying to say, it would take dozens and dozens of games that are up to $5-10 more and most people dont buy dozens and dozens of games.

I see all you care about is us, well I don;t care about us. in nz ps3 games =$120-$130 and pc games =$60-$100 that's a big difference

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]In the US, brand new PS3 games are $50-60 and brand new PC games are $50. In order for it to make the kind of difference you are trying to say, it would take dozens and dozens of games that are up to $5-10 more and most people dont buy dozens and dozens of games.wagexslave

10 games at $10 more than pc games = $100 difference, PS3 = $400 PC = Hundreds more

pc twice the performance of ps3 = $500 $400 will get you a pc that = ps3 performance

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Zero effort? I don't know about that. Switching CDs, over a long time, takes just as much if not more effort than a short three minute installation. Not to mention changing channels, waiting for patches to download, and other random things to take a small ammount of effort for consoles. Pcs aren't that much more effort, if at all more tha nconsoles. It gets to the point where you're just counting crumbs.lowe0

How long did it take you to tweak Crysis? Hmmm... lemme think how long it took to tweak Burnout Paradise. Oh, that's right, zero seconds. Halo 3? Zero seconds. UT3? One install, which I would have had to do on PC anyway. Rock Band? Just a few seconds to tell it what kind of TV I have.

No setting resolutions. No telling it I have a 5.1 system instead of stereo. (Speaking of which, try using 5.1 in UT3 on PC without an X-Fi or Audigy. Lots of luck!) No finding the detail level that runs at an acceptable framerate (autodetectors always over- or under-shoot, in my experience). No updating my OS, then my drivers, then Steam, then my game. No manual patching - patches autodownload, every single time.

No NOTHING. ANYTHING that gets between me and playing, I want cut out. Consoles give me that.

crysis automaticlly detect the best settings for you system, steam autoupdates all games, games have something call "use os default" for the sound, set 5.1 in windows, games will all use 5.1

lol a few seconds to tell what kind of tv you have, don't have to do that with pc games

Your thread is void..instantly because your the same guy that said that an E2140 dual-core processor was 100x more powerful than a Cell:( I'm no computer hardware major..but a little research goes a long way to shoo off ignorance.Pro_wrestler

well the cell is weak at anything that doesn't invlove floating points and when floating points are invloved nvidia destrys the cell

OK, I'm a PC fan, but I'll admit that the typical person is not going to build their machine.

So, I went to Dell to spec out a machine with their Help Me Choose option. Everything at midrange, and I upgraded a few parts, so in every case, you meet or exceed a PS3 & XBox 360.

Intel® CoreTM2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium with Digital Cable Support
4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 4 DIMMs
Blu-ray Disc Combo (DVD+/-RW + BD-ROM)
No Monitor
nVidia GeForce 8800 GT 512MB
No Floppy Drive or Media Reader

Total cost: $1550

Yes, we could go cheaper. Less RAM, a slower processor, a worse video card (which a typical person would probably do, but hey, I want to be able to run every game on the market). No learning how to build it myself.

From Best Buy

PS3 40 GB $400
PS3 HDMI Cable $90
PS3 Remote $25
Dualshock 3 $55

Total Cost: $570

Yes, we could use a far cheaper HDMI cable, but if we're putting restrictions on the PC user for having to use Dell, when they could build it themselves for far cheaper, then they're probably not going to have enough knowledge to know to get anything other than an HDMI cable labled specifically for the PS3.

XBox 360 $350
XBox Live $40
Second Controller: $50
HDMI Cable $50
Remote: $20

Total Cost: $510

The other thing you have to realize is that after a year, you'll have to repurchase your XBox Live, and also consider the amount of batteries you'll go through with your controllers. All in all, the PS3 will be cheaper in the end.

At an average cost of $10 extra for a console game, and a shelf life of 3 years for each system, the typical console player would have to purchase around 30 games a year to be more expensive than the PC user. This, however, isn't a complete assessment, as downloadable content isn't factored. In which case, often times, it's free on the PC end, unlike the console end.

Now, the average gamer typically purchases about 7 games a year, which puts the total cost of a decently mid range Dell Machine at about $750 once you include a few downloadable content pieces (4 $5 purchases, which I feel is fair). The question then comes into play, is the $750 extra worth it? Mind you, you have to also consider that a PC just isn't for gaming, but other activities that consoles just cannot match. Remember, the above is not talking about your hardcore gaming enthusiast, it's talking about Joe Walmart, who doesn't know any better. All of the above numbers are completely off, as your enthusiast would build the PC himself, would probably bargain hunt online to get the best available prices on wires, controllers, etc (at which point, they'd already have a PC, so probably if a PC gamer, would just upgrade a component or two, and not the whole PC, and if a console gamer, would have to take into consideration that they have a PC as well as a console, which would be a bit unfair if not factoring that into the price.)

Nytegard

the pc doesn't need that blu ray drive and a dual core cpu is more than enough